Non-Muslims must stop interfering, says BN backbencher

(The Edge) - Barisan Nasional's (BN) Datuk Mohamed Aziz today issued a stern warning for non-Muslims to stop interfering in Islamic affairs and laws in questioning the controversial sentencing of Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno for drinking beer in public.

Mohamed (BN-Sri Gading) ventured into the thorny issue when he asked a supplementary question on syariah courts in parliament, telling the House that he "cannot stand it when non-Muslims insult the laws of Islam".

"The syariah court is significant for the affairs of Muslims. Everyone knows. But we regret when the punishment handed out by the syariah court is disputed by certain parties that try to interfere, try to insult and try to dismiss (memperlekeh) Islamic laws," Mohamed said.

Mohamed, who is Umno deputy permanent chairman, asked whether contempt of court can be invoked when it came to syariah court decisions before continuing his tirade.

"I want the interference in Islamic affairs, especially by non-Muslims, to stop. (Or else) it will become a different issue, an issue that can affect the feelings of Muslims and could raise unrest in the country.

"Leave it alone. The syariah courts has its punishments which are accepted by Muslims. What business do non-Muslims have in stepping in?" Mohamed said.

In reply, Deputy Minister in the Prime Minister's Department Senator Datuk Dr Mashitah Ibrahim told the Dewan Rakyat the court's decision should be respected by all but the controversy here was that Kartika was the first woman to be punished for that offence.

Public debates ignited when Kartika was fined RM5,000 and sentenced to be caned six times by the Kuantan Syariah High Court on July 20 after the 32-year-old woman confessed to violating Islamic laws by drinking beer in a hotel lobby in Cherating, Kuantan on July 11, 2008.

In a supplementary question, opposition leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim (PKR-Permatang Pauh) said the "question here was not about people questioning" Islam but on restoring integrity and public confidence in the syariah justice system.

Anwar noted the public would invariably question the justice system when a "small person" was punished for consuming alcohol when it was well known that several "big figures (pembesar)" were known to do the same.

"This is not about questioning the Quran. This is called hypocrisy in the system or inconsistency.

"What is disputed is whether the implementation of laws can help restore the syariah court's integrity in the eyes of Muslims, non-Muslims and the world," Anwar said.

The Pakatan Rakyat (PR) leader then raised the issue of former Perlis mufti Dr Mohd Asri Zainul Abidin, who was charged with giving a religious talk without state authorisation (tauliah).

Without naming Asri, Anwar lamented that the issue of authorisation to preach (tauliah) was disputed when nobody would dispute the person's qualifications as a religious scholar and a mufti.

Mashita responded that despite one being an ulama, it was not a "big license" to speak about religion prompting Anwar to remark, "So, he has license to be a mufti but no license for tauliah?"

The Dewan Rakyat then erupted into a frenzy of loud jeers and members of parliament speaking in unison until Dewan Rakyat Deputy Speaker Datuk Wan Junaidi Tuanku Jaafar stepped in to control the House.

"Yang buat sibuk ni apahal? Yang Berhormat, if we are brave to speak but not brave to listen then we are not courageous enough," he said.

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written by anon, November 24, 2009 22:27:25

"Leave it alone. The syariah courts has its punishments which are accepted by Muslims. What business do non-Muslims have in stepping in?" Mohamed said.
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And who are you to represent all Muslims? I am a non-Muslim and I dare say not ALL Muslims will agree with the caning of Kartika.

Here we have yet another Muhamed - spewing garbage. When anyone in this country is punished .... let us be civil in doing so. How about the real criminals who go unpunished?
The corrupt racial and religious bigots. We know who they are - so Muhamed, make yourself useful and punish them using the Shariah Court.

Sorry folks, but to cane a woman drinking beer is outdated to say the least. Why do you have to open the case again? I was under the impression that the Shariah courts are archaic and need change. You just proved me right. With morons like you, there will never be justice.

If Kartika is to be caned, then a whole lot of others need to be flogged and banished. Kartika is not above the law....the others are. It's that simple.

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written by Fart Fart Wah, November 19, 2009 22:16:23

Datuk Mohamed Aziz( This MOOlayu should take a peak into the pembesar punya rumah dulu and the sultan sultan yang mabuk dan pukul orang dan rogol perempuan.
ISLAM belittles women. YOU make Allah a sexist for you make such laws overshadow the Koran's teaching making it second to the Hadith and all the other supposed Holy men writings. The mercy of God in the Koran is greater than all the other writings. You put into practice tribal practices, marry and divorce a dozen when the Koran says Allah only made one man for one woman...first...not a dozen women for one man or to change his woman like his underwear...( that is not what Allah wanted...that is what the holy men changed and wanted..sex..)...And you do do not want to treat women as your equal partner.
You are a BLOODY BODOH .. the Koran and the Bible says he took the rib off Adam ....from his side..meaning woman has to stand by his side..equal. The intelligent Allah could have taken a bone from his foot or toe...he did not..because bloody fools like you will take it as women being under your feet...like you put your own mother under your feet...You make the woman cover up..but you ooooooogle at women when you should lower your eyes.....or be strong in faith to fight the devil...you bloody hypoccrite...you want freedom to enjoy women..but your restrict the freedom of woman given by Allah..who the HELL are you??
And now you think your want to be the next holy man or a prophet by farting loudly on this issue????

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written by sataysticks, November 19, 2009 19:58:22

wERE YOU NOT THE FACE ON THE BEER AD......he he .....

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written by Susanna, November 19, 2009 11:23:52

What about our feelings? There is nothing wrong for us to consume beer! And stop making it an issue yourself!

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written by jaz, November 19, 2009 10:44:32

Very well, whatever you say.

We Chinese have a saying: Let them ????.
I've no good way to put this in English. Anyone who can, be my guest.

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written by budakindia, November 19, 2009 09:50:29

Yes we shouldn't interfere right up to when they strapped themselves with explosives and blow themselves up! Then we no longer need to interfere actually as we'll be branded as a terrorist country! Thanks to your apartheid policies aka 1Malaysia aka Ketuanan Melayu!

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written by magickriver, November 19, 2009 03:37:04

Another buttock-obsessed potatohead backbencher from Bumno! Dah bosan smilies/angry.gif

Kartika appears to be a masochist - or else she's a damn good poker player. I believe she has already been fined RM5000 for drinking beer in a hotel. If we collect RM5000 from every sultan, every minister and his son caught drinking, we could pay off half the PKFZ debt...

I can't believe we're paying the salaries of such bodoh backbenchers,

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written by mikewang, November 19, 2009 00:58:41

Actually the non-Muslims have been pretty indifferent over the punishment of Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno for beer drinking in public. It's the UMNO Muslims themselves who were cooking the story with all the contradictions.

Please get your facts right, Datuk Mohamed Aziz !

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written by SiHangChai, November 18, 2009 23:43:11

Bastard, is there a non-muslim interfering in 1st place. You sudah mabuk minum arak? Who are the one protesting? IT is your own race dunkus!

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written by Sutha, November 18, 2009 23:40:07

How about introducing Sharia laws? As I would like to see most Umno people without hand for theft and corruption, no tongues for telling lies and no joysticks for incests and rapes,

Is that interference too?

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written by Sutha, November 18, 2009 23:35:29

Why Non-Muslims cannot interfere with Muslim matters?

But you farking Muslims are interefering with Non-Muslims' drinks!
Prime Minister and Home Minister have a drinking joint at Awana.
While the HassanAssh@le wants to ban the same drinks from Selangor
as if no Non-Muslims live in that state.

BODOH PUNYA SRIGADING MP!

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written by DontPlayGod, November 18, 2009 22:18:16

Yeah, but the non-Muslims are questioning from the viewpoint of human rights, not from an Islamic perspective. Does the Koran actually specify the punishment for drnking? I believe there is no mention on the punishment to be meted out, hence these so-called God's laws are not applicable.. These are man-made laws. And as they are man-made laws, please don't say it is syariah or Islamic laws.

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written by Areyaar, November 18, 2009 21:35:43

I am just so damn sick of all these hypocritical, self-righteous, arrogant jerks who go around screaming about their supposed support for the syariah law when they themselves are far from free of some of the worst kinds of sins. It's time that some serious examinations are carried out about the way they live and see if they don't commit all sorts of sins. Then this discovery should be made public so that the world can see just how bloody hypocritical they are.

Does anyone know if this Datuk Mohamed Aziz is a sin-free, sincere person??????

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written by Avanza1, November 18, 2009 21:34:55

Please do not disturb non-muslims if you wish not to be disturb. Please stop call non-muslims to prayer. Please to broadcast yr muslim programmes. Do not interfere with how our tax monies to be used properly...in other words, don't use it for muslim propagation, propaganda, operations (bank islam, dakwa, building mosque, paying syariah lawyer, uztaz, kadi, iman, "polis ugama"...Do not demolish temples, churches. Do not confiscate non-muslim books. List will go on... if only you can stop interfere with non-muslims and retreat back to padang pasir.

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written by budakindia, November 18, 2009 21:23:47

They should learn the fact that Malaysia is not only for Malays & Muslims first! Anyway caning a woman for drinking beer & prosecuting Dr. Asri who is a former mufti are correct?

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written by Sabahfan, November 18, 2009 21:03:06

I agree with the majority of the commenters here, WT fuk anyway?

However let this be a warning to Sri Gading bastard of UMNO regime leader.

HEY... we are more than happy to keep out of your islamic affair, as a non moslem from Sabah, BUT be warn...

We stay out of ISLAM, moslem STAYS OUT OF the non moslems and our family..

1. DONT TRY TO CONVERT THE NATIVES OF SABAH..

2 KEEP OUT YOUR GATAL MEN OFF OUR DAUGHTERS... i know your methods, marry them, convert them and try to influence the rest of the family to convert so you can get you PAHALA. afterwards, marry second third fourht wife, then DUMP the first wife.

SO ALL NON MOSLEM women, YOU have been warned.

3 As for all the existing natives and orang asli who have no religion..STAY AWAY from them too, let them chooose their own religion after studying all existing religion including islam of course.

LET THEM choose of their own free will, not chooose because only ISLAM is placed before them.

BUT I BET THIS UMNO REGIME does not believe in free will.

It is only free will if we have to bow to them and kiss their arrrses.

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written by Wahyu, November 18, 2009 20:53:03

Pertubuhan Wanita bukan Melayu mempersoalkannya kerana Kartika ni WANITA pertama yg akan disebat di
Malaysia kerana minum bir bersama suami di lobi hotel.
kalaulah dia ialah seorang lelaki.
siapa nak peduli???
Sebatlah lelaki tu sampai mati!

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written by elmo world, November 18, 2009 20:12:47

what about famous NAJIB got caught sleeping with the singer lady (Z**) at port dickson..........

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written by sataysticks, November 18, 2009 20:11:09

This Backbencher better be careful of his BACK ...

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written by miwaki, November 18, 2009 20:10:37

Woi Mohd Aziz,
I better spend my time playing "Bacarat" and "Tai sai" in Genting Highland than worrying about kartika. By the way,do you visit prostitute dens ? Cane yourself before you can anyone !

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written by Mirage, November 18, 2009 20:09:00

Eh Datok, its you all that is messing with the non muslims, ie beer, cow head, ketuanan Melayu, NEP,....soi what the fck are you talking abt. Pls fck yourself b4 giving a stupid stern warning which makes you look like a imbisle that you are. Bloody Dope@!!!!!!!!!!

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written by philip25, November 18, 2009 19:35:24

This numbskull is nothing but a loud mouth with no brains in his skull. Wants publicity from his fellow BN jokers and hoping to be promoted to Minister/asst minister. This is how they move up by stepping on the non-muslims and apple polishing

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written by Remo, November 18, 2009 19:30:55

Fuk you Mohamed (BN-Sri Gading).

Who cares you cane her or screw her, go to hell with you.

Non muslims don't care the damp but don't disturb the non muslims.
We drink or we fuk it is our problem.

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written by Proarte, November 18, 2009 19:20:59

"What is disputed is whether the implementation of laws can help restore the syariah court's integrity in the eyes of Muslims, non-Muslims and the world," Anwar said.

Well done Anwar. At last he has spoken with logic about the Shariah in Malaysia and its inconsistencies. He has also recognised the right of non-Muslims to have an opinion on the so called Shariah laws. Anwar must continue to speak up with rationality on Islamic issues , like he does in the West.

Yes, the Malays in Malaysia have been brainwashed with lies about their religion and kept woefully ignorant about Islam and fed a bastardised form which is purely there to keep Malays under control. Anwar must realise his role in this sorry state., Therefore, he is best placed to lead Malays to an intellecual discvery of the Islamic faith which is not paranoid, deceitful, atavistic or intellectually bankrupt.

Anwar should tell the Malays what he tells the West about Islam. Malays are not that stupid. In fact I would always contend that Malays by nature are a very reasonable and practical people. It is the politicians who define for them their religion, their history, their culture purely for political power. Beneathe this veneer of ' a Malay' which is a colonial and UMNO construct, we see a people with grace, culture, dignity and warmth which has evolved over hundreds of years. it is not so easily wiped out by the machinations of the colonials , UMNO or PAS.

Yes, everyone has a right to question unjust and inconsistent laws. Muslims must realise that just because laws have Arabic names does not mean they emanate from the Koran or are necessarily logical and fair.

All system of laws have evolved throughout the ages. The Shariah was a dynamic system of laws even in early Islamic history. The idea that the Shariah is a system of laws handed down by Allah is a myth which has to be rejected. The State Shariah laws differ from state to state in Malaysia, so does this mean Allah's laws changes from state to state and country to country?

Any system of law can be challenged by anyone if it is evil and hypocritical. Just because a law is cloaked in Islamic and Arabic language does not necessarily mean it is fair and logical.

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written by No nonsense, November 18, 2009 18:33:31

Please dont waste your time always saying the non-muslims are intefering in Islamic affairs. If you want to be come a minister or deputy dont have to use religion. Religion unites all the people not breaking them up. It is people like you that is using religion to break up the people. I respect Islam but not people like you. How can non-muslims understand Islam when you are always using it for your own interest. Come on, do things to reflect that Islam is good not the other way round. Anyway, I still respect true muslims and Islam.

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written by allmenarebrothers, November 18, 2009 18:25:00

Dear Arse Zis
You don't have brains. This is truly the reason why only the most foul fecal matter spews out from your stinking mouth. Because you are brainless you only know how to threaten people. Without brains you don't know how to engage with people in a civilised manner, how to enter into an intellectual discourse, how to put forth your points of views & opinion with force of argument & how to accept in a calm manner other people's viewpoints. Your numbskull is all void & totally empty. We can see this emptiness by the sheer look at your Mongoloid face.

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written by truthbespoken, November 18, 2009 18:22:27

Barisan Nasional's (BN) Datuk Mohamed Aziz, don't you dare give the people the same old line again! The people have been forced to accept one-sided interpretations of UMNO's muslim laws for far too long!

On one hand, blocked-heads like you would demand that people not interfere with muslim affairs but on the other hand, you people would publicly insist on imposing your so-called islamic views and demands on others! Semua-nya jalan sahala saja! Tak patut lah!

People like Mohd Aziz must be hauled up for abusing parliamentary privileges and promptly charged for sedition for having the cow sense to issue old public treats like "the feelings of Muslims can be affected and it could raise unrest in the country".

Of course, DSAI was absolutely correct in rebuking Aziz when he said that those muslims are practising hypocrisy and said the "question here was not about people questioning" Islam but on restoring integrity and public confidence in the syariah justice system. Yes, DSAI, tell them into their faces more often and they'll learn a thing or two from you!

Blocked heads like Aziz is obviously living behind time and think there is only MSM around when others cannot react to racist or religious treats that comes out from their bloody mouth! What foolhardiness and stupidity from these parlimentarians!

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written by NSTPravda, November 18, 2009 18:17:13

Barisan Nasional's (BN) Datuk Mohamed Aziz, another BN Ass-hole, shet hed, today trying to be hole-ier than others, issued a stern warning for non-Muslims to stop interfering in Islamic affairs because Muslim like himself should be left mired in his own holy faeces and be allowed to commit murder, use C4, enjoy corruption, rob others, cheat, lie and allowed to swear on the Qur'an after doing all the naughty things. $o $emua OK!
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written by fandi, November 18, 2009 18:07:54

YOU CAN CANE OR CUT ALLTHEIR HANDS AND BE A TRUE MUSLIM. LOOK AT THE POPULACE IN THE PRISONS WHO THE MAJORITY ARE THEY. ONCE THEY ARE FREED THEY DO THE SAME THING ALL OVER AGAIN. SO GO AHEAD AND CANE THEM AND CUT THEIR HANDS OFF THE NON-MUSLIMS WILL NOT INTERFERE. tALK ONLY BUT NO ACTION TAKEN

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written by benny loh, November 18, 2009 17:49:34

"Leave it alone. The syariah courts has its punishments which are accepted by Muslims. What business do non-Muslims have in stepping in?" Mohamed said
CRAZY BODOH BUGGER, WTF's do I care about this? So free come scratch for me, balls itchy-lah.

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written by InEffective, November 18, 2009 17:44:35

When injustice occurs in the name of religion (all religions) , all (regardless of faith) should absolutely interfere.

When so called self-appointed religious authorities create unjust rules and unjust laws with unjust punishments, no one should hesitate from preventing abuse and cruelty - the standards and norms of justice should be fair and calibrated well.

Well done, to all that 'interfered' - do NOT blindly and mindless follow religious authorities (and any other authority for that matter).
Authority exists only because we the people award authority to an entity - but it is NOT absolute and it is NOT in perpetuity.

All authorities, all rules, and all laws are subject to the will of the peoples....

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written by sydput, November 18, 2009 17:27:39

Anwar is on the wrong track.
He should inisist that syariah law should only be for family problems and marriage.
If syariah law is imposed on all malays, then they will be subjected to two sets of law, the civil and syariah. Does that means for any wrongs, the malay guy has to be punished twice and under different mode of punishment?

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written by educationist, November 18, 2009 17:24:15

Perhaps that idiot is referring to comments passed in blogs like this.
As far as I can recall, no non-Muslim group has dared interefered officially with any Muslim court rulings!
Well if an incident touches our lives and it is not seditous or against any law of our country, I can jolly well give my views and opinions.

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written by mansel, November 18, 2009 17:18:36

well as long as you don't tell the non-muslims to stop drinkin then im fine with it..
please continue with the canning, her news is already in the spotlight world over.. you should also issue this stern warning to other countries.. don't just bark in malaysia.... be a man! issue like this can be raised in parlimen but the altantuya/police brutality all cannot be tabled ? farc you la dey BN..

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written by carribeanking7, November 18, 2009 17:06:24

What the myopic Sri-Gading MP fails to see is the hypocrisy of the punishment has been questioned by many Muslims as well. Other than that FDI's are down and H1N1 is affecting tourists arrival, we dont need to become an International laughing stock on top of that.
We are one country, whatever one segment does affects the whole country.
If Sri-Gading is sincere, he can advise SOME of his own party members to abstain from drinking alcohol and show a good example. dare he do that ? Thats the hypocrisy DSAI was talking about.

Vijay Kumar Murugavell

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written by pwcheng, November 18, 2009 16:46:33

What about that guy Haniff , our ex CPO who is a deputy president of Genting Berhad. Why are the Malays keeping so quiet about such involvement of a Muslim in a company gambling is their core business.

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written by pwcheng, November 18, 2009 16:42:41

Likewise what business has he got to do with MCA. Typical of UMNO, double standard.

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written by Aria, November 18, 2009 16:42:39

when Muslim laws equally are applied to Muslim ministers and their children then no one will interfere.

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written by Tompios, November 18, 2009 16:42:21

Touch wood!! Interfering somebody's business is the main job of the official religion authority since in the beginning. Fair enough huh?

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written by Nixcloud, November 18, 2009 16:05:38

so non-muslims cannot meddle in muslim affairs - this very fair. but, what about when muslims meddle in non-muslim affairs e.g. telling the catholics they cannot call their god Allah. what do you care what other people call their gods.

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written by Ghifarix, November 18, 2009 16:02:41

Set good (minimum) examples so that others may follow .
Manufacturing and marketing/Pushing drugs ops alcohol but for others to consume while UMNO cash in. Now what kind of example is this: Not that of a drug Lord?;
All the people are saying is if you NEED to whip her then shutdown Carlsberg and whip its Muslim board of directors and all the (UMNO) Muslims who benefited from it, save the small-man.
Remember Tamby Cik was sexing an under age "child". Was that Muslim business too?

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written by SocratesI, November 18, 2009 15:49:49

Wake up you twits in Barisan Najis ! It is the Muslims and the young Malays who are concerned about this shining episode in Malaysian history and emigrating overseas, not us non-Muslims ! We couldn't care less if you whip the whole Barisan Najis dead !
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written by penangboi, November 18, 2009 15:44:30

As usual, UMNO is consciously using religion as in race to divide the country by twisting the issue out of context.

As DSAI said, we are not questioning the punishing of Muslims under Syariah Laws, but we have people like that Mamakutty's son Muzkhinzir who is a director of a beer company.

And nothing happens to him. If a small fry - a woman no less - can be caned, then that Mamakutty junior must be flogged until he loses every square inch of his skin.

Such is the hyprocrisy of UMNO-style Islam in Malaysia.

Well, at least it is consistent with other policies too. For example, MACC going after two thousand ringgit cases but totally ignoring PKFTZ's billions of ringgit scandal, Toyol's multi-million palace in Shah Alam....

Malaysia truly BOLEH!!!!

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written by Zym Zym, November 18, 2009 15:37:10

Malaysians Backbencer today issued a stern warning for Datuk Mohamed Aziz to stop meddling in non-muslims affair. If you want to cane her, please do so and stop publicize the issue once and for all.