In the year 638, after the death of the Prophet Muhammad, Umar, the second Caliph, led an army to conquer Jerusalem. The Christian leaders of Jerusalem invited Umar into the Church of Holy Sepulcher so that he could fulfil his prayers. Umar, however, refused to do so out of respect for the Christians. Instead, he chose to pray outside the church.
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First, see the video below from minute 6:23.
At minute 6:23 in that video, the Member of Parliament for Kulim Bandar Baru, Zulkifli Noordin, said that the Caliph Umar refused to enter a church when invited to do so. This is proof, he said, that Muslims should not enter a church.
He does not care about the law, argued Zul. Malaysian law may not have made it illegal or haram for Muslims to enter a church. But he is not concerned with that. He is guided by the example (sunah) of the Prophet’s Comrades (Sahabat Nabi) and Caliph Umar, one of the Prophet’s Comrades, refused to enter a church. This is all that matters.
Zul did not offer any details on this incident he quoted. He did not clarify when and where this incident was supposed to have happened. Either he is not clear about the incident or he is intentionally trying to mislead his audience.
Well, in that case, since Zul is either not too clear about the incident or refuses to clarify his statement with intent to mislead his audience, let me help with the clarification.
In the year 638, after the death of the Prophet Muhammad, Umar, the second Caliph, led an army to conquer Jerusalem. The Christian leaders of Jerusalem invited Umar into the Church of Holy Sepulcher so that he could fulfil his prayers. Umar, however, refused to do so out of respect for the Christians. Instead, he chose to pray outside the church.
Umar’s main concern was that, if he entered the church to pray, future generations of Muslims might misinterpret his action as he had ‘acquired’ or ‘captured’ the church and had turned it into a mosque. That was why he chose to pray outside the church rather than in the church. This was to safeguard the church and not trigger a precedence where churches are taken by force and turned into mosques.
That was the real reason why Umar refused to enter the Church of Holy Sepulcher to pray. He intentionally prayed outside the church to avoid any misunderstanding and conflict. He wanted to demonstrate that even though the Muslims had conquered Jerusalem, they did not disturb any churches or took these churches by force. Churches would remain churches and Muslims would have to build their own mosques if they wanted to pray.
I don’t wear a songkok or white skullcap like Zul. But I know my history. And that was the history of what happened when Umar conquered Jerusalem. And that was the real reason why Umar declined the invitation to enter the church to pray. It was to avoid any misunderstanding and conflict, and not as Zul is tying to mislead us.
SEE VIDEO ON YOUTUBE HERE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHFXx_ITQL8
Translated into Chinese at: http://ccliew.blogspot.com/2011/08/blog-post_18.html
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written by Malaysia Ku, August 20, 2011 10:45:27
written by Malaysia Ku, August 20, 2011 10:45:27
Tanya itu budak Zul tu, Itu Badawi, Itu Arafat pun ada masuk gereja-lah.. Hakikatnya niat mesti baik-lah.. Jangan sikit-sikita nak menyalak saje.. Kita tahu dia menyalak untuk siapa.. Bulan Ramadan, Hati mau baik, Be..
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written by Prince of India, August 18, 2011 13:11:20
written by Prince of India, August 18, 2011 13:11:20
I am silence in reading your article for some time but I dont missed reading your web site everyday,Fed up with the latest events but after me reading ur latest I have to comment coz I believe the latest wats happening make me very worried to read.I think I have to explain something the muslim must understand about religion. Did muslim s have any knowledge that hindu's will visit mosque before heading to pray their gods in Kerala.Hindu's have to walk circle 3 times the mosque in Kerala and get their holy water from the IMAM before proceeding to SABRIMALAI Kerala. Hindus will walk 48km to reach SABRIMALAI or 7km (Shortcut for children or human unable to walk).While your holy journey u have to go through this particular mosque and get the holy water from the IMAM before proceed.We never say no to this religious believe because we think all human being born in this world are same but only religious believe made them different.I am one of the followers and every year month of November we will fasting for 48days .early Jan we will start the 48km journey before we fulfill our believe.If we go thorough our history I think humanbeing born in this world all are same only religious believe made them different.
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written by seeker, August 18, 2011 12:21:15
written by seeker, August 18, 2011 12:21:15
Video ini berkaitan penjelasan tokoh ulama dunia berkaitan hak islam dan bukan islam secara khusus cristian. Islam dari dulu telah memberikan hak sebagai seorang rakyata sama rata antara semua. Pengikut islam yang jahil gagal memahami konsep pentadbiran yg diajar baginda.
http://almuttaqin.tv/video_papar.php?id=2242
http://almuttaqin.tv/video_papar.php?id=2242
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written by Admiral Tojo, August 18, 2011 11:18:54
written by Admiral Tojo, August 18, 2011 11:18:54
Zul Nordin is a HYPOCRITE and a DISBELIEVER as per the Quran. It is people like him that gives ISLAM a bad name. The knowledgeable will ignore him completely.
Shalom
Shalom
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written by Fart Fart Wah, August 18, 2011 10:33:02
written by Fart Fart Wah, August 18, 2011 10:33:02
I would also like to point out that people like Zul give due credence to the fact that Malays are becoming more and more stupid. I say this because the very statement questions his level of education and exposure to a world that is fast changing today. I do not have to quote the Koran , Bible or any other holy book to argue the case. If this guy has common sense a brain to begin with he should know that going back to 6th century practices itself shows a level thinking almost to a primitive nature. For example he should be using camels and probably washing his hair with camel’s urine or even dressed as a rugged Arabian traveler to befit the prophet's lifestyle 100%..But today the contradiction is he wears a coat and suit and tie. He travels and uses modern equipment for communication. He knows that society is now plural more plural than those days. He knows that it is better to integrate , stress less on skin color and religion and all that blind one from looking at the other as a human being. That when mistakes are made man has to learn to negotiate and come to the table to give and take and build bridges of understanding and tolerance. He must be able to see that a fellow a Muslim is no different from a fellow Christian or Buddhist as the faith of each person is personal based on the fact that we do not have proven and concrete answers of the after life. ie; there could be a hell there could be a heaven or there could be something akin to both but not as we understand or have been taught. And so simple common reasoning will take away the hatred from his heart for the other who is different in any aspect as after having taken away all of these there stands in front of him just another human being. There is no a greater prophet or there is no a lesser prophet. There is no a greater King or a lesser King..all are seen in the light of their particular contribution to society at their own era. We pass through a time warp of 70-90 years maybe some..to a useless 100 . And in that short time we should be looking at what we can promote for the betterment of society as one , to take care of the human as all are one and to continue to find ways and means of building the one single bridge for mankind…so Zul..kalau nak bodoh tetap bodoh.lah….but bodoh sombong..jangan ..it is not Malay culture but UMNO culture
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written by Pegasus, August 18, 2011 10:11:53
written by Pegasus, August 18, 2011 10:11:53
Most clowns can be found within party called it self ameno!
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written by ibabonma, August 18, 2011 10:04:22
written by ibabonma, August 18, 2011 10:04:22
Zul bodo, sunnah ‘sahabat’ (bukan sunnah Nabi) yang jadi pegangan boleh mengatasi undang-undang negara?
Hei, Zul bodo, sunnah nabi sekali pun tak boleh mengatasi undang-undang negara jika tidak ‘diundang-undangkan’; dan itu adalah hakikatnya dalam perlembagaan Malaysia.
Zul bodo, kamu lawyer lulusan mana? Kamu jangan nak bodokan orang kamu yang dah bodo.
Zul bodo, lagi satu, kamu tahu tak hampir semua surau-surau dalam Malaysia ini adalah bangunan haram…. macam kamu, haram jadah.
Hei, Zul bodo, sunnah nabi sekali pun tak boleh mengatasi undang-undang negara jika tidak ‘diundang-undangkan’; dan itu adalah hakikatnya dalam perlembagaan Malaysia.
Zul bodo, kamu lawyer lulusan mana? Kamu jangan nak bodokan orang kamu yang dah bodo.
Zul bodo, lagi satu, kamu tahu tak hampir semua surau-surau dalam Malaysia ini adalah bangunan haram…. macam kamu, haram jadah.
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written by NottyMaus, August 18, 2011 09:59:12
written by NottyMaus, August 18, 2011 09:59:12
500 or so malay men standing idly, presumably listening to the wisdom emanating from a wise donkey, Ezam Mohd. Noor , and Zulkifli Nordin. And where is the other donkey Ibrahim Ali ?
Don't malay people have more productive activities to indulge in..... like working for a living ? for instance.
Everyone else has to work, and work; but apparently not these endowed donkeys, braying to each other, on a lazy Friday afternoon.
Don't malay people have more productive activities to indulge in..... like working for a living ? for instance.
Everyone else has to work, and work; but apparently not these endowed donkeys, braying to each other, on a lazy Friday afternoon.
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written by pinsysu, August 18, 2011 09:57:45
written by pinsysu, August 18, 2011 09:57:45
UMNO_BN's trademark: distorts the truths.
mahatir distorts the truths.
and there are many blind followers who can't tell the difference between lies & truths.
truths will bring down the BN_UMNO gomen.
mahatir distorts the truths.
and there are many blind followers who can't tell the difference between lies & truths.
truths will bring down the BN_UMNO gomen.
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written by Fart Fart Wah, August 18, 2011 09:42:14
written by Fart Fart Wah, August 18, 2011 09:42:14
In UMNO Islam like a prostitute. Use it fully for self satisfying oneself . Fully use it as a source of self aggrandizement to proclaim themselves as the Grand Mufti. The skull cap cut from half a bra to show their holiness and their one up-ness as compared to the UMMAH. IN UMNO Islam is used a lie..tell untruths to promote their brand of Islam. Therefore lying and skewing the truth is allowed as long as it protects the image of UMNO's Islam. So if the leader is a bad leader ..in all honesty he should be got rid off. Not in UMNO's Islam...lies are told to protect the leader, stories are created to paint as he being a leader of Islam and the Malay people so they should give face and accept him as it is only right that they have been TAKDIR-ED to have such a leader. Lying in their Islam is blessed as long as it promote a changes falsehood to be seen as truth. These are the people who make Muhammed above Allah because it suits their agenda.
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written by NollanBD, August 18, 2011 09:25:33
written by NollanBD, August 18, 2011 09:25:33
Thank you RPK for highlighting the truth and the real Islamic values. We are getting tired of this filth from the likes of half-baked Muslims the likes of Zul Nordiin who potrays Islam in a bad light and an embarassment to all good Muslims. Unfortunately there are too many half bake Muslims in this country who supports and agrees wholly with Zul Noordin without lifting a finger to read any scripture of Islamic teachings.
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written by Ken Liew, August 18, 2011 09:21:21
written by Ken Liew, August 18, 2011 09:21:21
Don't you just LOVE stories.... The story that prevent any unhappy incident..... Even a Well thinking Muslin is Many years ago, love piece rather then making war....
WHY the Muslims here are so eager to trigger unhappy incident.....
WHY the Muslims here are so eager to trigger unhappy incident.....
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written by syd, August 18, 2011 07:26:55
written by syd, August 18, 2011 07:26:55
I pity the muslims.
cannot go to church, cannot go karaoke, cannot go disco, cannot go drinking, cannot go to temple, cannot this and cannot that.
but the largest case of baby dumping are by muslims. maybe they also cannot wear a condom, or cannot afford one, or was not taught about the birds and the bees because cannot study the subject.
cannot go to church, cannot go karaoke, cannot go disco, cannot go drinking, cannot go to temple, cannot this and cannot that.
but the largest case of baby dumping are by muslims. maybe they also cannot wear a condom, or cannot afford one, or was not taught about the birds and the bees because cannot study the subject.
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written by jhlee, August 18, 2011 07:06:06
written by jhlee, August 18, 2011 07:06:06
Purpose of fasting in Islam
1.To develop and strengthen our powers of self-control, so that we can resist wrongful desires and bad habits, and therefore “guard against evil” (extract no. 1). In fasting, by refraining from the natural human urges to satisfy one’s appetite, we are exercising our ability of self-restraint, so that we can then apply it to our everyday life to bring about self-improvement.
2.To attain nearness and closeness to God so that He becomes a reality in our lives. As we bear the rigours of fasting purely for the sake of following a Divine commandment, knowing and feeling that He can see all our actions however secret, it intensifies the consciousness of God in our hearts, resulting in a higher spiritual experience (see extract no. 2).
3.To learn to refrain from usurping other’s rights and belongings. In fasting we voluntarily give up even what is rightfully ours; how can then we think of taking what is not ours but belongs to someone else? (See extract no. 3)
4.Charity and generosity is especially urged during Ramadan. We learn to give, and not to take. The deprivation of fasting makes us sympathise with the suffering of others, and desirous of alleviating it; and it makes us remember the blessings of life which we normally take for granted.
Fasting in Islam does not just consist of refraining from eating and drinking, but from every kind of selfish desire and wrong-doing. The fast is not merely of the body, but essentially that of the spirit as well (see extract no. 4). The physical fast is a symbol and outward expression of the real, inner fast.
Fasting is a spiritual practice to be found in all religions (see extracts no. 1 and 5). The great Founders of various faiths (Buddha, Moses, Jesus, etc.) practiced quite rigorous fasting as a preliminary to attaining their first experience of spiritual enlightenment and communion with God. This kind of communion is indicated in extract no. 2.
I got this from some research on the web. If this is true, then the schools in Malaysia that are disallowing non Muslims to eat in front of those that are fasting is not letting the Muslims fulfill their purpose of fasting?
1.To develop and strengthen our powers of self-control, so that we can resist wrongful desires and bad habits, and therefore “guard against evil” (extract no. 1). In fasting, by refraining from the natural human urges to satisfy one’s appetite, we are exercising our ability of self-restraint, so that we can then apply it to our everyday life to bring about self-improvement.
2.To attain nearness and closeness to God so that He becomes a reality in our lives. As we bear the rigours of fasting purely for the sake of following a Divine commandment, knowing and feeling that He can see all our actions however secret, it intensifies the consciousness of God in our hearts, resulting in a higher spiritual experience (see extract no. 2).
3.To learn to refrain from usurping other’s rights and belongings. In fasting we voluntarily give up even what is rightfully ours; how can then we think of taking what is not ours but belongs to someone else? (See extract no. 3)
4.Charity and generosity is especially urged during Ramadan. We learn to give, and not to take. The deprivation of fasting makes us sympathise with the suffering of others, and desirous of alleviating it; and it makes us remember the blessings of life which we normally take for granted.
Fasting in Islam does not just consist of refraining from eating and drinking, but from every kind of selfish desire and wrong-doing. The fast is not merely of the body, but essentially that of the spirit as well (see extract no. 4). The physical fast is a symbol and outward expression of the real, inner fast.
Fasting is a spiritual practice to be found in all religions (see extracts no. 1 and 5). The great Founders of various faiths (Buddha, Moses, Jesus, etc.) practiced quite rigorous fasting as a preliminary to attaining their first experience of spiritual enlightenment and communion with God. This kind of communion is indicated in extract no. 2.
I got this from some research on the web. If this is true, then the schools in Malaysia that are disallowing non Muslims to eat in front of those that are fasting is not letting the Muslims fulfill their purpose of fasting?
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written by educationist, August 18, 2011 05:07:06
written by educationist, August 18, 2011 05:07:06
The sad thing is to those Muslims that are easily misled by unscrupulous characters like this Zul, the facts of the incident will remain unknown!!
The prostitute MSM will not dare publicise the facts as revealed by RPK.
The prostitute MSM will not dare publicise the facts as revealed by RPK.
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written by Badaksumbu, August 18, 2011 04:34:41
written by Badaksumbu, August 18, 2011 04:34:41
Many of the so called Islamic scholars of ours are still far below what I would like to call them scholars.Just don't understand why are they so narrow minded not wanting to find out what Islam is from another perspectives beyond Malaysia
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written by Badaksumbu, August 18, 2011 04:22:59
written by Badaksumbu, August 18, 2011 04:22:59
This is what happen of being half bake or half cook shall I say.Pisst off.
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written by betasigma, August 18, 2011 02:25:27
written by betasigma, August 18, 2011 02:25:27
what can u expect from a chronic munafiq liar n a psycho-safiq???
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written by SiHangChai, August 18, 2011 00:31:03
written by SiHangChai, August 18, 2011 00:31:03
We all know Zul is not a Muslim, but a fake one. Muslim are encourages to read and study other religions. Islam never prohibits any Muslim to enter other religious holy places. What Islam was practiced in this Bolehland is a man labelled himself as GOD just like Zul and UMNO itself. If one looks into his face and 2 visible eyes on his forehead, Chinese fortune tellers with tell you that this person cant be trusted, and is a person with fictious characters and a person who is revengeful. I guess this sums up Zul himself well.
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written by laksa maner, August 18, 2011 00:28:26
written by laksa maner, August 18, 2011 00:28:26
Revolution, even if you are convert to other religion, you should never ever to change your race to others. Your race is your race. It is permanent just like born and die.
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written by justice seeker, August 17, 2011 23:20:03
written by justice seeker, August 17, 2011 23:20:03
How Zul Noordin distorts the truth
HE SOLD HIS TOP LONG TIME AGO. NOW HE IS TALKING THROUGH HIS BOTTOM
WHICH IS WHY HE DOES NOT MAKE SENSE
HE SOLD HIS TOP LONG TIME AGO. NOW HE IS TALKING THROUGH HIS BOTTOM
WHICH IS WHY HE DOES NOT MAKE SENSE
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written by uxzee, August 17, 2011 23:00:36
written by uxzee, August 17, 2011 23:00:36
I am amazed by RPK's knowledge on Islam and it's history.
Coming to Zul, this is the worst type of munafik who blatantly quotes wrongly on an Islamic precedent to justify his arguments.
In one of the clips, Zul also insisted that JAIS hadk already issued a report on the raid, when JAIS had not done so.c
Coming to Zul, this is the worst type of munafik who blatantly quotes wrongly on an Islamic precedent to justify his arguments.
In one of the clips, Zul also insisted that JAIS hadk already issued a report on the raid, when JAIS had not done so.c
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written by IbnAbdHalim, August 17, 2011 22:54:35
written by IbnAbdHalim, August 17, 2011 22:54:35
He can be either distorting the truth or ignorant but it's not worth wasting your time on him.
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written by JJFoo, August 17, 2011 22:53:19
written by JJFoo, August 17, 2011 22:53:19
I do understand that like Christian, Muslim too have many sects and this Zulkifli Noordin is from the worst kind, UMNO sect.
Their primary duty is to distort Islam and use it to deceive and hoodwink other Muslims to achieve supremacy by indulging in corruption and racism.
Their primary duty is to distort Islam and use it to deceive and hoodwink other Muslims to achieve supremacy by indulging in corruption and racism.
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written by earthman, August 17, 2011 22:45:52
written by earthman, August 17, 2011 22:45:52
While we are at Jerusalem , lets know the history better. Copied form a website as follows,:-
This, to Muslims, is the third holiest site in the world. For Jews, it is the exact Site where anciently two successive Jewish Temples stood, over a period of some 1000 years preceding the Common Era - First, the Temple of Solomon, a masterpiece of ancient architecture until its destruction at the time of the Babilonian Exile, six centuries BCE. Second, the Temple of Herod, where Jesus, the contending Jewish Messiah, attended Jewish worship Services. It also is the Site where, according to the Bible, the future Third Temple of the Jews are to be erected and where God will appear in Great Power at the time of the War of Armageddon.
And that is what makes this Temple Mount Site, which is pivotal to the opposing interests of the world's three major religions, the real flash point in "The Battle for Jerusalem.
Another account :-
In the 10th century BC, after King David captured the city of Jerusalem and made it the capital of the Israelites, he chose this high place as the site of a great temple to house the Ark of the Covenant (2 Samuel 24:18-25). Prior to this, the Ark had moved among several sanctuaries, especially those of Shechem and Shiloh. The construction project was undertaken by David's son, King Solomon, and completed in 957 BC.
In 614, Persian forces invaded Jerusalem, slaughtering the inhabitants and destroying the churches. Thus, Islamic historians record that when the Muslims captured the city in 638, Caliph Umar I found the Temple Mount completely destroyed and began immediately to repair it. In 688-91 the fifth Umayyad caliph ?Abd al-Malik ibn Marw?n built the Dome of the Rock on the restored platform.
The Temple Mount in Jerusalem (specifically the Al-Aqsa Mosque) is regarded by Muslims as the third holiest site outside the cities of Mecca and Medina. The main reasons are these:
This, to Muslims, is the third holiest site in the world. For Jews, it is the exact Site where anciently two successive Jewish Temples stood, over a period of some 1000 years preceding the Common Era - First, the Temple of Solomon, a masterpiece of ancient architecture until its destruction at the time of the Babilonian Exile, six centuries BCE. Second, the Temple of Herod, where Jesus, the contending Jewish Messiah, attended Jewish worship Services. It also is the Site where, according to the Bible, the future Third Temple of the Jews are to be erected and where God will appear in Great Power at the time of the War of Armageddon.
And that is what makes this Temple Mount Site, which is pivotal to the opposing interests of the world's three major religions, the real flash point in "The Battle for Jerusalem.
Another account :-
In the 10th century BC, after King David captured the city of Jerusalem and made it the capital of the Israelites, he chose this high place as the site of a great temple to house the Ark of the Covenant (2 Samuel 24:18-25). Prior to this, the Ark had moved among several sanctuaries, especially those of Shechem and Shiloh. The construction project was undertaken by David's son, King Solomon, and completed in 957 BC.
In 614, Persian forces invaded Jerusalem, slaughtering the inhabitants and destroying the churches. Thus, Islamic historians record that when the Muslims captured the city in 638, Caliph Umar I found the Temple Mount completely destroyed and began immediately to repair it. In 688-91 the fifth Umayyad caliph ?Abd al-Malik ibn Marw?n built the Dome of the Rock on the restored platform.
The Temple Mount in Jerusalem (specifically the Al-Aqsa Mosque) is regarded by Muslims as the third holiest site outside the cities of Mecca and Medina. The main reasons are these:
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written by truthbespoken, August 17, 2011 22:20:32
written by truthbespoken, August 17, 2011 22:20:32
Zul Noordin should whack hard his own mouth three times for distorting Islamic history! Liar and sinner!
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written by Aduh, August 17, 2011 22:20:08
written by Aduh, August 17, 2011 22:20:08
Muslims are taught to keep his mouth shut than to talk on something he is not knowledgeable about.
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written by akcc81, August 17, 2011 22:15:40
written by akcc81, August 17, 2011 22:15:40
this guy is more sinful than any muslims and distorts the truth for his selfish interests...and yet he pretends to be holier-than-thou and defends Islam...
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written by Nixcloud, August 17, 2011 22:05:31
written by Nixcloud, August 17, 2011 22:05:31
zul noordin practices the dUMNO sect of Islam... it doesn't matter what the Caliph say or do, it doesn't matter what the Great Prophet say or do, it only matters when mamakthirs say so or ask to do.....
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written by Sribayu, August 17, 2011 21:58:01
written by Sribayu, August 17, 2011 21:58:01
Yes...... .Perfect article written by RPK to avoid any confusion or misunderstanding between muslim & non-muslim. Readers can also refer to the following you tube in supporting to the PKR's statement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBN6HECEAcI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBN6HECEAcI
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written by Oscar Winner, August 17, 2011 21:57:56
written by Oscar Winner, August 17, 2011 21:57:56
I believe no true religion preaches violence or hatred. But in Bolehland, the little talibans aligned to UMNO have no qualms in distorting the truth to suit the circumstances. If there is absolute adherence to the true teachings of Islam, there will be no UMNO. UMNO still exists because UMNOputras have a different religion, definitely not Islam. They don’t call is Islam. Their religion name Islam is a misnomer, to call it Islam will be an insult to Allah. Their religion has no name, it’s just a tool. Their Koran is meant solely for swearing to fool the ordinary folks
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written by rocky, August 17, 2011 21:54:15
written by rocky, August 17, 2011 21:54:15
this guy is a big BS.even non muslims know the story of Caliph Umar. where was this bugger when the issue of sport gambling licence came up? he was very quiet during the issue, he should have been the 1st one to stand up and go against it but since BN was supporting it, he remain quiet. what kind of muslim is this? malu
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written by arazak, August 17, 2011 21:54:15
written by arazak, August 17, 2011 21:54:15
Zul is a snake. Always distort facts and tell lies.
When I was in Spain, I visited a city in the south call Cordoba. Muslims ruled Spain for 800 years and they built mosques in many parts of the country. The center of the Muslim civilization was Al Hambra (readers may want to read Washington Irving's, Tales of the AlHambra to see a glimpse of the civilization). Cordoba is another city that have a lasting impact in terms of architectural and cultural of the Muslim civilization in Spain.
In the center of Cordoba, one of the tourist attraction is the "Masqueta" or mosque. After Spain was retaken by the Christians the building was turned into a church but you can still see all the trappings of a mosque inside the building which includes the prayer hall and the Imam podium and some verses of the Koran on the walls. Currently, it is just a tourist attraction and not much of a place of worship of either faith.
But a local Spanish friend of mine told me something very interesting. Before the building became a tourist landmark, local Muslims and Christians prayed at different parts inside the building but within the same roof. I do not know how far this is true, but that was what he told me.
Another interesting thing happened while I was on a bus touring the city. The bus is similar as our Rapid bus where you have to put coins, i.e. the right fare in an electronic money box. No conductor only driver. See. . ., I was sitting behind the driver of this bus. The bus make a stop somewhere near the market area and a blond elderly woman boarded the bus. When he was about to drop the coin in the bus, she said "asslamualikum". The bus driver nonchalantly replied "muailkumsalam"! I was surprised as I knew the blond elderly woman and the driver are not Muslims. You may ask how do I know? Well, in Spain the Muslim minority especially elderly woman wears head scraf (tudung). This blond elderly woman do not wear head scarf. I related this incident to my Spanish friend, he says it is normal for people in that city regardless of Christians or Muslims to greet each other with "assalamualaikum". It is just a culture thing and not religion.
Imagine, first it was about the Muslims and Christians praying in the same building. Then, about non-Muslims greeting like a Muslim which I think if done in Malaysia by the non-Muslims would have people like Zul Nordin, Ezam and Ibrahim Ali foaming in their mouths calling for jihad that non-Muslims should not greet "assalmualikum" to other non-Muslims.
Bolehland sure have religious tolerance and acceptance issues!
When I was in Spain, I visited a city in the south call Cordoba. Muslims ruled Spain for 800 years and they built mosques in many parts of the country. The center of the Muslim civilization was Al Hambra (readers may want to read Washington Irving's, Tales of the AlHambra to see a glimpse of the civilization). Cordoba is another city that have a lasting impact in terms of architectural and cultural of the Muslim civilization in Spain.
In the center of Cordoba, one of the tourist attraction is the "Masqueta" or mosque. After Spain was retaken by the Christians the building was turned into a church but you can still see all the trappings of a mosque inside the building which includes the prayer hall and the Imam podium and some verses of the Koran on the walls. Currently, it is just a tourist attraction and not much of a place of worship of either faith.
But a local Spanish friend of mine told me something very interesting. Before the building became a tourist landmark, local Muslims and Christians prayed at different parts inside the building but within the same roof. I do not know how far this is true, but that was what he told me.
Another interesting thing happened while I was on a bus touring the city. The bus is similar as our Rapid bus where you have to put coins, i.e. the right fare in an electronic money box. No conductor only driver. See. . ., I was sitting behind the driver of this bus. The bus make a stop somewhere near the market area and a blond elderly woman boarded the bus. When he was about to drop the coin in the bus, she said "asslamualikum". The bus driver nonchalantly replied "muailkumsalam"! I was surprised as I knew the blond elderly woman and the driver are not Muslims. You may ask how do I know? Well, in Spain the Muslim minority especially elderly woman wears head scraf (tudung). This blond elderly woman do not wear head scarf. I related this incident to my Spanish friend, he says it is normal for people in that city regardless of Christians or Muslims to greet each other with "assalamualaikum". It is just a culture thing and not religion.
Imagine, first it was about the Muslims and Christians praying in the same building. Then, about non-Muslims greeting like a Muslim which I think if done in Malaysia by the non-Muslims would have people like Zul Nordin, Ezam and Ibrahim Ali foaming in their mouths calling for jihad that non-Muslims should not greet "assalmualikum" to other non-Muslims.
Bolehland sure have religious tolerance and acceptance issues!
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written by malsia1206, August 17, 2011 21:45:24
written by malsia1206, August 17, 2011 21:45:24
We have many MalaysianMuslims in our midst who happen not to know much about the historical aspects of their religion, yer professing as if they knew everything.
That's when they pollute their faith with a mixture of politics to champion their own personal agenda in the name of the religion.
These people are plenty in Malaysia as you can find salted fish in the wet market.
That's when they pollute their faith with a mixture of politics to champion their own personal agenda in the name of the religion.
These people are plenty in Malaysia as you can find salted fish in the wet market.
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written by bikerzon, August 17, 2011 21:39:31
written by bikerzon, August 17, 2011 21:39:31
In early April 637, Umar arrived in Palestine and went first to Jabiya,[16] where he was received by Abu Ubaidah, Khalid and Yazid, who had traveled with an escort to receive him. Amr was left as commander of the besieging Muslim army.[17]
Upon Umar's arrival in Jerusalem, a pact known as The Umariyya Covenant was drawn up. It surrendered the city and gave guarantees of civil and religious liberty to Christians in exchange for jizya. It was signed by caliph Umar on behalf of the Muslims, and witnessed by Khalid, Amr, Abdur Rahman bin Awf and Muawiyah. In late April 637, Jerusalem was officially surrendered to the caliph.[18]
Umar allowed Jews to live in Jerusalem. It was first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive rule of the Romans, that Jews were allowed to enter and worship freely in their holy city.[2] It has been recorded in the annals of Muslim chronicles, that at the time of the Zuhr prayers, Sophronius invited Umar to pray in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. Umar declined, fearing that accepting the invitation might endanger the church's status as a Christian temple, and that Muslims might break the treaty and turn the temple into a mosque.[10] After staying for ten days at Jerusalem, the caliph returned to Medina.[19]
Upon Umar's arrival in Jerusalem, a pact known as The Umariyya Covenant was drawn up. It surrendered the city and gave guarantees of civil and religious liberty to Christians in exchange for jizya. It was signed by caliph Umar on behalf of the Muslims, and witnessed by Khalid, Amr, Abdur Rahman bin Awf and Muawiyah. In late April 637, Jerusalem was officially surrendered to the caliph.[18]
Umar allowed Jews to live in Jerusalem. It was first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive rule of the Romans, that Jews were allowed to enter and worship freely in their holy city.[2] It has been recorded in the annals of Muslim chronicles, that at the time of the Zuhr prayers, Sophronius invited Umar to pray in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. Umar declined, fearing that accepting the invitation might endanger the church's status as a Christian temple, and that Muslims might break the treaty and turn the temple into a mosque.[10] After staying for ten days at Jerusalem, the caliph returned to Medina.[19]
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written by bambooman, August 17, 2011 21:37:17
written by bambooman, August 17, 2011 21:37:17
When Najib met Obama in the U S ..........Obama should proselytize Zul Nordin, MP of Kulim Bandar Baru, so that Nordin could try Mongolian Pork Ribs ! ! ! !
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