In other words, we have no say in the matter. Allah will decide when the time is right and whether it will happen or not. Allah will decide whether you are born a Muslim or born a kafir (infidel). Allah will decide whether you become a sinful Muslim or a good Muslim. Allah will decide whether the sinful Muslim finally repents and becomes a good Muslim. Without Allah’s will, nothing will happen.
NO HOLDS BARRED
Raja Petra Kamarudin
Demos in Selangor and Penang to show support for Jais
(The Star) - Demonstrations were held in Selangor and Penang in support of the Selangor Islamic Affairs Department (Jais) operation during a multiracial dinner at the Damansara Utama Methodist Church (DUMC).
A group calling itself Gerakan Anti-Murtad (Anti-Apostate Movement) would lodge a police report in every district of Selangor so that investigations could be carried out against the DUMC, said spokesperson Datuk Zulkifli Noordin.
The Kulim Bandar Baru MP said this after Friday prayers at the Sultan Salehuddin Abdul Aziz Shah mosque in Shah Alam yesterday.
Also present were Senator Mohamed Ezam Mohd Noor, PAS members and the movement's supporters.
Ezam said the movement had nothing against non-Muslims, but would wage war against those “who were rude and who tarnished Islam”, including by burning down online news portals.
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You will notice one thing about the Malays-Muslims. They are very preoccupied with getting non-Muslims to become Muslims. And they are paranoid about Muslims renouncing Islam.
Maybe what happened at the DUMC did happen. Maybe the allegations are true. I was not there but I have been told that the allegations are not entirely false. Nevertheless, I go by what the Malays would normally tell me.
If you ask a ‘sinful’ Malay why he does not stop his gambling and drinking and womanising and go to Mekah to repent and to perform the pilgrimage, he would reply, “Allah belum gerak hati lagi.” This translates to ‘Allah has not moved my heart yet’.
When a non-Muslim becomes a Muslim, the Malays would say, “Allah buka hati dia.” And this means Allah has opened his or her heart (to become a Muslim).
If you ask an ustaz (religious teacher) why Allah made only 20% of the world Muslim while 80% are non-Muslims, and why did Allah not make 100% of the world Muslim, the ustaz would reply, “Only Allah knows.”
In short: this is all Allah’s will and Allah could make you Muslim or He could make you non-Muslim and it is up to Him to open your heart to receive Islam or to repent your ‘evil ways’ and go to Mekah to perform the pilgrimage.
In other words, we have no say in the matter. Allah will decide when the time is right and whether it will happen or not. Allah will decide whether you are born a Muslim or born a kafir (infidel). Allah will decide whether you become a sinful Muslim or a good Muslim. Allah will decide whether the sinful Muslim finally repents and becomes a good Muslim. Without Allah’s will, nothing will happen.
Now, that is a most interesting concept. This means I may be born a Muslim but be born a bad Muslim because Allah has not opened my heart to become a good Muslim. This also means, later on in life, Allah may open my heart and I will see the error of my ways and repent to become a good Muslim.
Then again, Allah may will it that I be born a non-Muslim and, later on in life, convert to Islam when Allah opens my heart to Islam. Or, Allah may never open my heart and I may die a non-Muslim like 80% of the population of the world.
The crux of this whole issue is Allah decides and wills it and what happens (or does not happen) can never happen without the will of Allah. And only when Allah wills it or opens our heart will we see something happen -- and not otherwise and not before that.
Okay, based on this ideology, what about when someone is born a Muslim and later leaves Islam? Could this ever happen if Allah does not will it? Would it not be Allah who opens your heart to make you leave Islam?
Everything that happens is the will of Allah and everything you do is because Allah has moved or opened your heart into doing it. So, when you leave Islam is this not also Allah’s doing?
This is the confusing part about the argument on the will of Allah. You will never be born a Muslim without Allah deciding this will happen. You will never convert to Islam without Allah deciding this will happen. When you decide to leave Islam does Allah not also have a say in the matter? Is this not His will?
As I said, Malays-Muslims are preoccupied with non-Muslims becoming Muslims and paranoid about Muslims leaving Islam. So we now have a Gerakan Anti-Murtad (Anti-Apostate Movement) organising demonstrations in the Pakatan states to protest those leaving Islam.
I am not so concerned about Muslims leaving Islam because if it is true that nothing happens without the will of Allah then no Muslim can ever leave Islam unless Allah wills it. What I am more concerned about is Munafiq (hypocritical) and Fasiq (sinful) Muslims.
Why don’t these people also launch a Gerakan Anti-Munafiq dan Anti-Fasiq (Anti-Hypocrites and Anti-Sinners Movement)? We should perang (declare war) on Muslims who kill, rape, rob, steal, cheat, swindle, abuse their power, lie, and do all sorts of evil things that give Islam a bad name.
We should not worry about the quantity. After all, 80% of the world is non-Muslim anyway. We should worry about the quality. We do not want Muslims who have no scruples, compassion, honesty, ethics, values, etc. We want Muslims who demonstrate the ideals and ethics of Islam. We want Muslims who demonstrate what a good Muslim should be like. We want Muslims who show what a good Muslim is so that we can be proud of Islam.
That should be the perjuangan (struggle) for Muslims.
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written by betasigma, August 14, 2011 15:58:49
written by betasigma, August 14, 2011 15:58:49
every right minded person ;muslim or non muslim should be able to know that all these pieces of shit are jus part n parcel of the racist umno bn damage control package to counter the aftermath n on slaught prevailed by 709 Bersih which hav witnessed the 'real' one malaysia .that was the historical moment when malaysian hav really come in one irregardless of race, creed,religion,belief n backbround!!!this is what the racist umno bn are really affraid of!!this is what racist umno bn can't afford to hav becos it would immediately spell the beginning of their passage heading to the temple of dooms!!these are all decoys created to carter for the continuation of their racist umno bn divide n rule tactics!!malaysian to a larger extent hav awaken n umno bn jus hav to put us back to square one!!!
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written by lynn, August 14, 2011 13:47:21
written by lynn, August 14, 2011 13:47:21
Quantity over Quality - your heading made me think abt population growth. Not quality over quantity? Church members are very persistent & relentless to draw people to join their church. They want the numbers. WHY? Analyse this, Sir RPK. If you have problems, no one wants to know or listen to you. No one gives a damn so stop kidding yourself. So why are these people so concerned with where you are headed for after death? They preach abt God's love, threaten you with Hell's fires if you don't become, lure you with a promise of a mansion in heaven if you are a believer. ALL IT TAKES IS: YOU MUST BELIEVE.
What is it all about? The 10% from my salary is what they are after, the numbers, or is it the total control over your collective minds ... all the above? I want to know why.
What is it all about? The 10% from my salary is what they are after, the numbers, or is it the total control over your collective minds ... all the above? I want to know why.
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written by siewchinteo, August 14, 2011 12:50:04
written by siewchinteo, August 14, 2011 12:50:04
"We should perang (declare war) on Muslims who kill, rape, rob, steal, cheat, swindle, abuse their power, lie, and do all sorts of evil things that give Islam a bad name."
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basically we should perang against hypocrytical people who give their religions a bad name, be it Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Taoism, etc.....
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basically we should perang against hypocrytical people who give their religions a bad name, be it Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Taoism, etc.....
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written by tom73my, August 14, 2011 11:46:59
written by tom73my, August 14, 2011 11:46:59
Unlike the Chinese, Malay Muslim culture is never about about quality, meritocracy, competitiveness or progressiveness. They are mostly associated with the descriptive words "lazy", "average", "oklah" and "tak apa lah". After many years of Islamization by UMNO, they have also become very attached to Islam. Ordinary Muslim Malays are relatively simple minded with very feudal mentality. They like to be controlled and would follow directives, without clear understanding of issue and rationale. Their lack of critical thinking skills often results in them reacting emotionally. The easiest way to lead them is to play up the insecurity and emotion of Malay Muslim using Islam. Sad but true.
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written by IbnAbdHalim, August 14, 2011 11:01:52
written by IbnAbdHalim, August 14, 2011 11:01:52
Like I've said before, Islam has been hijacked. Can't blame UMNO or PAS altogether. Most Muslims had deviated from the right path. If what is enshrined in the Quran and the narrated in the authentic Hadith are followed there won't be much problems and mixed ups. Muslims have abandoned the divine guidance and played god instead.
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written by malaysianohope, August 14, 2011 05:49:33
written by malaysianohope, August 14, 2011 05:49:33
Pete,
What these umno goons in the like of zul & ezam is saying that in Islam there are so called "Free from Sin" cards. So whenevere a Muslim sins all he need is to produce a "Free from Sin" card courtesy of umno and he shall be forgiven. But after minus the umno muslims & the talibans wanna-be the remaining 20% of world Muslims do not feel that way.
What these umno goons in the like of zul & ezam is saying that in Islam there are so called "Free from Sin" cards. So whenevere a Muslim sins all he need is to produce a "Free from Sin" card courtesy of umno and he shall be forgiven. But after minus the umno muslims & the talibans wanna-be the remaining 20% of world Muslims do not feel that way.
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written by educationist, August 14, 2011 04:11:24
written by educationist, August 14, 2011 04:11:24
Trust RPK to show the hypocrisy of those so called defenders of Islam!!
Ther are only defending their own narrow self interests and for issues that will really make a difference not only for Muslims but or the rakyat in general , they play the deaf, dumb, blind mobkeys they really are!!
Ther are only defending their own narrow self interests and for issues that will really make a difference not only for Muslims but or the rakyat in general , they play the deaf, dumb, blind mobkeys they really are!!
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written by Motherchell, August 14, 2011 01:14:48
written by Motherchell, August 14, 2011 01:14:48
If every word of the Koran is followed, Malaysia will not be having its Rulers as leaders, Putrajaya would be a ghost town. Uputras would be limbless!!.
Take a look at this picture.from Pakistan's NW Frontier. What do you see? Do you see future terrorists?
NO! You see babies lying on hard concrete floor. You see an empty bottle. You see disease carrying flies and mosquitoes swarming around the bodies of these young innocent children. It is painful to see that mankind has evolved to become so selfish and ignorant.
One need not go far --- you would see the same on the outer fringes of KL and in Taibland. Why are these babies so ?? Islam did not teach to create their conditions ---but they are the innocent victims of extremism!!
The ugly head of such acts seem null in the eyes of Omar,Kriss , Najis, Pigtail and their cohorts because UMNO breeds them for their benefits!!
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Okay enough said , if one comprehends logic ----what Ezam says is he wants to burn down the UTUSAN. True Muslims know what Islamic laws were broken from the way UTUSAN was given a free ride . So in other words Ezam also says that he will destroy the UMnoputras for giving Islam a bad name !!!! Every right thinking True Muslim knows who the crooks are in power. So go ahead Ezam , make my day !!! You and your"" shadow"" have been given the status of extremists and terrorists !!!! You and Zul have graduated well!!
Take a look at this picture.from Pakistan's NW Frontier. What do you see? Do you see future terrorists?
NO! You see babies lying on hard concrete floor. You see an empty bottle. You see disease carrying flies and mosquitoes swarming around the bodies of these young innocent children. It is painful to see that mankind has evolved to become so selfish and ignorant.
One need not go far --- you would see the same on the outer fringes of KL and in Taibland. Why are these babies so ?? Islam did not teach to create their conditions ---but they are the innocent victims of extremism!!
The ugly head of such acts seem null in the eyes of Omar,Kriss , Najis, Pigtail and their cohorts because UMNO breeds them for their benefits!!
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Why don’t these people also launch a Gerakan Anti-Munafiq dan Anti-Fasiq (Anti-Hypocrites and Anti-Sinners Movement)? We should perang (declare war) on Muslims who kill, rape, rob, steal, cheat, swindle, abuse their power, lie, and do all sorts of evil things that give Islam a bad name.
Okay enough said , if one comprehends logic ----what Ezam says is he wants to burn down the UTUSAN. True Muslims know what Islamic laws were broken from the way UTUSAN was given a free ride . So in other words Ezam also says that he will destroy the UMnoputras for giving Islam a bad name !!!! Every right thinking True Muslim knows who the crooks are in power. So go ahead Ezam , make my day !!! You and your"" shadow"" have been given the status of extremists and terrorists !!!! You and Zul have graduated well!!
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written by truthbespoken, August 14, 2011 01:08:54
written by truthbespoken, August 14, 2011 01:08:54
Malaysian Malays are Muslims. UMNO Malays and UMNO-friendly Malays are Muslim opportunists, bullshitters, bullies and warmongers. The all have the same traits. They make use of race and religion to advance their political interest. Mohd Ezam, Zulkifli Noordin, Ibrahim Ali, Hasan Ali are all classic examples of basket-case Muslims.
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written by flyer168, August 14, 2011 00:00:46
written by flyer168, August 14, 2011 00:00:46
Just to share this...
The Nation - Don urges Muslims to ensure unity - http://www.thenationonlineng.n...unity.html
By Kamarudeen Ogundele, Abuja 03/08/2011 00:00:00
Muslims have been urged not to relent in efforts to achieve peace and unity in the nation.
Delivering a lecture entitled: Who is a Muslim at the Pre-Ramadan programme organised by the Nasrullahi-li-Fatih Society of Nigeria (NASFAT), Abuja branch, a University of Ilorin (UNILORIN) lecturer, Dr Abubakar Aliagan stressed the need for Muslims to emulate Prophet Muhammad.
Urging Muslims to live their lives in accordance with the messages of the Quran and practices of Prophet Muhammad, the cleric described anyone who rejects any part of the Quran as an apostate.
He bemoaned the discrimination among Muslims which had often resulted in sects clashes.
Explaining who a Muslim is, Aliagan said "A Muslim is he who avoids harming a fellow Muslim with his tongue and hands;
so whosoever and for whatever reasons raises a dagger or anything that his injurious against a fellow Muslim, you should know that he is not a Muslim.
"Wherever you see Muslims terminating the lives of others at will; they are not following the teachings of Islam, but are following their own inward conviction and their inward caprices."
Going down memory lane, Aliagan said the biggest problem facing Muslims in Nigeria is lack of coordinated leadership and quality common front most especially as it relates to issues affecting the "corporate existence of Muslims".
You be the judge.
Shalom.
The Nation - Don urges Muslims to ensure unity - http://www.thenationonlineng.n...unity.html
By Kamarudeen Ogundele, Abuja 03/08/2011 00:00:00
Muslims have been urged not to relent in efforts to achieve peace and unity in the nation.
Delivering a lecture entitled: Who is a Muslim at the Pre-Ramadan programme organised by the Nasrullahi-li-Fatih Society of Nigeria (NASFAT), Abuja branch, a University of Ilorin (UNILORIN) lecturer, Dr Abubakar Aliagan stressed the need for Muslims to emulate Prophet Muhammad.
Urging Muslims to live their lives in accordance with the messages of the Quran and practices of Prophet Muhammad, the cleric described anyone who rejects any part of the Quran as an apostate.
He bemoaned the discrimination among Muslims which had often resulted in sects clashes.
Explaining who a Muslim is, Aliagan said "A Muslim is he who avoids harming a fellow Muslim with his tongue and hands;
so whosoever and for whatever reasons raises a dagger or anything that his injurious against a fellow Muslim, you should know that he is not a Muslim.
"Wherever you see Muslims terminating the lives of others at will; they are not following the teachings of Islam, but are following their own inward conviction and their inward caprices."
Going down memory lane, Aliagan said the biggest problem facing Muslims in Nigeria is lack of coordinated leadership and quality common front most especially as it relates to issues affecting the "corporate existence of Muslims".
You be the judge.
Shalom.
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written by earthman, August 13, 2011 23:48:25
written by earthman, August 13, 2011 23:48:25
Muslims are people like all of us, and can be good or bad. Religions can help us or misled us. Otherwise why is there good this and bad that?
The truth is that only a good relationship with God and our fellow humans is GOOD. For G O o D comes from G O D with the o - Obedience to God. More than this is Own human invention.
The truth is that only a good relationship with God and our fellow humans is GOOD. For G O o D comes from G O D with the o - Obedience to God. More than this is Own human invention.
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written by earthman, August 13, 2011 23:39:15
written by earthman, August 13, 2011 23:39:15
Yes , there are good Muslims and bad Muslims, not because they understand Islam or not, but because they understand what is fair ,just and good. They understand the rights of all humans and freedom of choice. They understand that only God shall judge and we should all do our duty to help each other regardless of faith or race. these are true good Muslims, Buddhists or Christians or Man.
So, there is actually no such thing as a good Muslim, Christian or Buddhist, but human being. All the religions teaches are doctrines to save us, guide us or misled us and nothing more . For all followers of religions had done wrong one time or another. It is the conscience of man or heart that understood divine love and compassion that makes a good man.
Religion only promotes or hinders our progress towards becoming one with God or creation.
So, there is actually no such thing as a good Muslim, Christian or Buddhist, but human being. All the religions teaches are doctrines to save us, guide us or misled us and nothing more . For all followers of religions had done wrong one time or another. It is the conscience of man or heart that understood divine love and compassion that makes a good man.
Religion only promotes or hinders our progress towards becoming one with God or creation.
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written by panca, August 13, 2011 23:03:47
written by panca, August 13, 2011 23:03:47
Just to share some knowledge about when Buddhist Dharma that came from India to China and from China it spread to Japan and Korea as they heard and came to China to acquire and learn about this Great Zen Master.
Drawing from the perspective of quality than quantity and in the same parallel, the Great Zen Master, Bodhidharma who came to China from India(aka Daruma in Japan) told his last disciple, Hui Neng that there was no need to further transmit the lineage after him(Hui Neng) because 1)Buddhism would then be well known throughout the world over and 2)there would be less people 'practising' the teaching as Buddhism do not convert people and do not need believers, only those that understand the path and in partcular with affinity will come 'in touch' with the teaching, will practise the path. Such is path of liberation and practice of loving-kindness and wisdom.
The part where cave in afghanistan were part of Buddhism history even today(Bamiyan) that was deserted when the 'new religions' start to force through during those era where Buddhism flourished and then left as there was never a path and need to advocate violence to protect from another religion.
Today the West are different from the west of yesterdays and 'religion' are less than what they used to be and more people are more knowlegeable and free, wise to choose what they understand than to just believe. They are less biased and more open to thinking than just believing the old ways where some have become less religious but more spiritual even though they did not convert out of their family's religion and some are becoming atheist/agnostic as compared to the East(Asians) are the reversed what the West were 50 years ago.
Today we see world religions are too concerned with protecting their own that has become the bane of having quantity score of conversion than quality of practise.
I believe there exist good people of these world religions(people of the book), those that practice goodness and moderate the way they live than those who blame others for their faith.
I think IMHO, there is nothing more important keeping oneself to the faith than keeping others in your faith. Just know to keep your hands to yourself and I lose respect when it comes to the work of those who proselytize others. As I do not believe going their way thrashing others and teasing them to be with one of them, that to me religion is unacceptable and a waste of human life that is lame and ignorance. Sorry to say, I will tell them to keep their hands to themselves. Enough of religious bygotry and politicking!
Namaste.
Drawing from the perspective of quality than quantity and in the same parallel, the Great Zen Master, Bodhidharma who came to China from India(aka Daruma in Japan) told his last disciple, Hui Neng that there was no need to further transmit the lineage after him(Hui Neng) because 1)Buddhism would then be well known throughout the world over and 2)there would be less people 'practising' the teaching as Buddhism do not convert people and do not need believers, only those that understand the path and in partcular with affinity will come 'in touch' with the teaching, will practise the path. Such is path of liberation and practice of loving-kindness and wisdom.
The part where cave in afghanistan were part of Buddhism history even today(Bamiyan) that was deserted when the 'new religions' start to force through during those era where Buddhism flourished and then left as there was never a path and need to advocate violence to protect from another religion.
Today the West are different from the west of yesterdays and 'religion' are less than what they used to be and more people are more knowlegeable and free, wise to choose what they understand than to just believe. They are less biased and more open to thinking than just believing the old ways where some have become less religious but more spiritual even though they did not convert out of their family's religion and some are becoming atheist/agnostic as compared to the East(Asians) are the reversed what the West were 50 years ago.
Today we see world religions are too concerned with protecting their own that has become the bane of having quantity score of conversion than quality of practise.
I believe there exist good people of these world religions(people of the book), those that practice goodness and moderate the way they live than those who blame others for their faith.
I think IMHO, there is nothing more important keeping oneself to the faith than keeping others in your faith. Just know to keep your hands to yourself and I lose respect when it comes to the work of those who proselytize others. As I do not believe going their way thrashing others and teasing them to be with one of them, that to me religion is unacceptable and a waste of human life that is lame and ignorance. Sorry to say, I will tell them to keep their hands to themselves. Enough of religious bygotry and politicking!
Namaste.
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written by awilliam, August 13, 2011 22:52:08
written by awilliam, August 13, 2011 22:52:08
I was in dubai a few days ago. An arab local joined my colleague and I for lunch.i asked him whether he was a cristian. He proudly declared himself muslim. But i asked him why he was not fasting. He said he cant handle fasting especially during summer. I asked him wont the authorities crucify him? He said no.As long as he does not eat in front of another muslim and cause offence, no issue. There is no witch hunt in Dubai. I told him if he were a Malay, JAIS will hang him from a durian tree till he was dead and then they will say it is Gods will. ...........
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written by kamarulb, August 13, 2011 22:39:34
written by kamarulb, August 13, 2011 22:39:34
The Malays strongly believe that since Allah is forever forgiving, they can do all sorts of sin and when they repent Allah will forgive them. Good Malay-Muslims believe that since death can happen anytime, repenting is not an option. The rest believe there's always time. Whenever something bad happens it is all 'takdir' (destiny). But we hear most often, for example, when someone dies in a motorcycle accident and he wasn't using a helmet, it is still 'takdir'. When you steal, rob, rape, cheat, swindle etc, are these 'takdir'? Obviously, the term Allah's will is misunderstood..
Yes, they wouldn't want a Gerakan Anti-Munafiq and Anti-Fasiq movement simply because that would be war against themselves.
Yes, they wouldn't want a Gerakan Anti-Munafiq and Anti-Fasiq movement simply because that would be war against themselves.
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written by lakian, August 13, 2011 22:22:32
written by lakian, August 13, 2011 22:22:32
i believe those are not Allah or God will.we believe there are so many gods,ghosts or devil satans on the other world just like where do Allah stay,we don't know.Allah can't look after or see the whole universe or could be there are another or more universe.Allah need to take rest like we human on earth as said he created this world and life.
i should say those bad muslim,christian and buddhist and so on are being leaded by so called the small gods or can be the ghost and satan.
i should say those bad muslim,christian and buddhist and so on are being leaded by so called the small gods or can be the ghost and satan.
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written by alacarte, August 13, 2011 20:54:37
Barking at the moon? No-lah, they are barking loudly at us to let their master know that they are loyal dogs, they will whine in front of their master begging for a seat in the coming G.E. That being said, these peoples in truth has got no Religion except being born Muslims thus entitle them to brag in front of their Muslim brothers and sisters in Allah.
written by alacarte, August 13, 2011 20:54:37
written by Rodins Fist, August 13, 2011 15:51:44
These other Gerakan, Patriot, Perkasa are loud animals barking at the moon, morally poor and violent behaviour.
Barking at the moon? No-lah, they are barking loudly at us to let their master know that they are loyal dogs, they will whine in front of their master begging for a seat in the coming G.E. That being said, these peoples in truth has got no Religion except being born Muslims thus entitle them to brag in front of their Muslim brothers and sisters in Allah.
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written by albert zacharias, August 13, 2011 19:57:11
written by albert zacharias, August 13, 2011 19:57:11
I am not understanding the Muslim faith. So far what I read from mainstream media about being a Muslim puts me off to become one.
In the Christian theology, it is very simple. All men are sinners and God gives us the freewill to choose to do good. Once we repent and become a Christian we must do away with the sins we normally are doing before.
In Christianity there is theology about predestination of God and freewill. Some of the things in life are predestined by God. For example, God predestined us to be born and give us the freewill to choose to become a follower of God or not. You can go and listen to LT Jeyachandran of Ravi Zacharia's Ministry and he gave a good expose of freewill and predestination.
If God don't give us a choice, then we are just born robots... it is about HIS love not laws and regimented living!
I hope all of us give thought about GOD and choose HIS right ways and not our ways. Even Caesar Milan will tell you it is always about us.... not the dog/GOD!
In the Christian theology, it is very simple. All men are sinners and God gives us the freewill to choose to do good. Once we repent and become a Christian we must do away with the sins we normally are doing before.
In Christianity there is theology about predestination of God and freewill. Some of the things in life are predestined by God. For example, God predestined us to be born and give us the freewill to choose to become a follower of God or not. You can go and listen to LT Jeyachandran of Ravi Zacharia's Ministry and he gave a good expose of freewill and predestination.
If God don't give us a choice, then we are just born robots... it is about HIS love not laws and regimented living!
I hope all of us give thought about GOD and choose HIS right ways and not our ways. Even Caesar Milan will tell you it is always about us.... not the dog/GOD!
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written by Mestizo, August 13, 2011 19:09:00
written by Mestizo, August 13, 2011 19:09:00
What happen to Muslims in Malaysia has a lot to do with UMNO and PAS. These two mixed politic with religion. As a result of that, this country was pushed to the extreme.
Responsible politicians from both sides MUST separate religion from politic. Allow Malaysians their choices of what they want to believe. After all it is in our constitution. The sooner we do that the better it is.
Responsible politicians from both sides MUST separate religion from politic. Allow Malaysians their choices of what they want to believe. After all it is in our constitution. The sooner we do that the better it is.
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written by alacarte, August 13, 2011 18:56:34
written by alacarte, August 13, 2011 18:56:34
The problem with many Muslims is that everything is Allah's will, they do not think that God will only help those who help themselves.
Those jokers in UMNO (ex-PKR frogs included) think that only them can defend Islam, the attacked on Islam in this country is just peanuts as compared to Middlle East where 'real missile/bullets flies and explode'. Ai Yah, those Muslims in UMNO are just chickens only. If we ask them to go Middle East to take up the fight against the infidels, their legs will be trembling in fear and their ku-ku bird will shrink into their crotch.
Those jokers in UMNO (ex-PKR frogs included) think that only them can defend Islam, the attacked on Islam in this country is just peanuts as compared to Middlle East where 'real missile/bullets flies and explode'. Ai Yah, those Muslims in UMNO are just chickens only. If we ask them to go Middle East to take up the fight against the infidels, their legs will be trembling in fear and their ku-ku bird will shrink into their crotch.
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written by Samanyan, August 13, 2011 18:44:08
written by Samanyan, August 13, 2011 18:44:08
It is perfectly all right to submit oneself to the will of god. If that is what you believe, so be it. But, then you must believe in this submission in it's absolute totality. You can not believe in the will of the almighty in bits and pieces.
So, if you see a non-muslim driving a merce, or getting exceptional grades in the exam, or thrive in his business endeavour in such extra ordinary manner on his own personal steam. You should not envy him. You should also accept all his achievements as the will of the almighty. If you do that, then you would not grumble about your lot in life, you would reject all backdoor manipulations trying to make you appear like 'you are there and that you earned it'.
You should reject Matriculasi as an entry route to University and insist that you would sit for the STPM and accept the results you get, you should reject APs, you should reject negotiated tenders, you should.... you should ... aaaahhh ..... never mind lah !!!
So, if you see a non-muslim driving a merce, or getting exceptional grades in the exam, or thrive in his business endeavour in such extra ordinary manner on his own personal steam. You should not envy him. You should also accept all his achievements as the will of the almighty. If you do that, then you would not grumble about your lot in life, you would reject all backdoor manipulations trying to make you appear like 'you are there and that you earned it'.
You should reject Matriculasi as an entry route to University and insist that you would sit for the STPM and accept the results you get, you should reject APs, you should reject negotiated tenders, you should.... you should ... aaaahhh ..... never mind lah !!!
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written by Angela Ooi, August 13, 2011 18:26:16
written by Angela Ooi, August 13, 2011 18:26:16
Why do the Moderate Muslims condone these dUMNO Munafiques to go amok besmirching Islam with such ugly behaviour. These are not known to be paragons of moral virtue n good behaviour.
Islam dUMNO .is all about outwardly show of pious acts n dressing appropriately. This will make them ACCEPTABLE GOOD Muslims n therefore it'snot haram if you steal, ask for bribes, lie n cheat just because such acts are shielded from public view?
Islam dUMNO .is all about outwardly show of pious acts n dressing appropriately. This will make them ACCEPTABLE GOOD Muslims n therefore it'snot haram if you steal, ask for bribes, lie n cheat just because such acts are shielded from public view?
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written by doggone, August 13, 2011 17:45:22
written by doggone, August 13, 2011 17:45:22
God didn't thought it was time to open Saiful's heart so the Devil grabbed him and opened up his S-hole instead !
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written by malsia1206, August 13, 2011 17:11:06
written by malsia1206, August 13, 2011 17:11:06
Is there any difference between an UMNO Muslim and a Malaysian Muslim?
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written by MrHot, August 13, 2011 17:07:33
written by MrHot, August 13, 2011 17:07:33
In the Beginning there was no religion when God created human being. Therefore at the End there will not be any religion as well ! To determine if you go to Heavens or otherwise you would be judged by the Deeds of life instead of which religion you believed !!??
Got It You Morons in UMNO/BN !!!
Got It You Morons in UMNO/BN !!!
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written by Wally, August 13, 2011 16:56:40
written by Wally, August 13, 2011 16:56:40
Pete, I note that in regard to the notion of everything happening according to Allah's will you said "Now, that is a most interesting concept." My take on the same subject is "Now, that is a ridiculous concept!"
In 1976 I was living in the northern township of Jos, Nigeria, and I witnessed a Muslim woman selling oranges from a tray on her head step into the road without looking in the direction from which the traffic was coming. Cars screeched to a halt and the woman was unharmed. A small boy on the sidewalk area (not a pavement, of course) was not so fortunate, because two of the cars collided, and one of them slewed sideways, hit the boy and broke his leg. The woman simply walked away and nobody did anything about it. My driver explained that it was the will of Allah.
If the same thing happened in KL, would the police take the same forgiving line if such a careless act of jaywalking caused an injury to third parties? Or maybe it would depend upon whether or not the offender was Muslim: a Muslim, then you're forgiven, because you obviously put your trust in Allah and so Allah decided it was OK to have a few injuries, but a non-Muslim would have to go to jail, because he could never rely on Allah to protect him or others. Anyway, why bother to have jaywalking laws at all if Allah is responsible for organising everything that happens?
As I said, the concept of Allah being responsible for all that happens is just pure nonsense. It's a cop out employed by irresponsible people to justify their stupid actions!
In 1976 I was living in the northern township of Jos, Nigeria, and I witnessed a Muslim woman selling oranges from a tray on her head step into the road without looking in the direction from which the traffic was coming. Cars screeched to a halt and the woman was unharmed. A small boy on the sidewalk area (not a pavement, of course) was not so fortunate, because two of the cars collided, and one of them slewed sideways, hit the boy and broke his leg. The woman simply walked away and nobody did anything about it. My driver explained that it was the will of Allah.
If the same thing happened in KL, would the police take the same forgiving line if such a careless act of jaywalking caused an injury to third parties? Or maybe it would depend upon whether or not the offender was Muslim: a Muslim, then you're forgiven, because you obviously put your trust in Allah and so Allah decided it was OK to have a few injuries, but a non-Muslim would have to go to jail, because he could never rely on Allah to protect him or others. Anyway, why bother to have jaywalking laws at all if Allah is responsible for organising everything that happens?
As I said, the concept of Allah being responsible for all that happens is just pure nonsense. It's a cop out employed by irresponsible people to justify their stupid actions!
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written by Revolution, August 13, 2011 16:49:02
written by Revolution, August 13, 2011 16:49:02
If everything is Allah's will , No need to talk so much ... Just let it be , then ...
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written by hellosunshine, August 13, 2011 16:31:05
written by hellosunshine, August 13, 2011 16:31:05
Like the comedian Flip Wilson's tried and tested punchline whenever he sinned, he would claim, "The Devil made me do it." It's always Allah/God or the Devil and not humans who are responsible eh?
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written by usurper, August 13, 2011 16:29:09
written by usurper, August 13, 2011 16:29:09
But Muslims never existed before Prophet Mohammad!!!! Allah must have willed that too, knowing the followers could become a huge global problem? Or may be Allah has willed that there should be time set for the end of the world and to make it happen create Muslims? After all Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and all followers have deviated too when Allah (or whatever name you want to call the supreme) created followers through Prophets. The deviated lot are now ready for the "Clash of the Religions" and the imminent end of the world. Stupid humans.
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written by arazak, August 13, 2011 16:28:21
written by arazak, August 13, 2011 16:28:21
UMNO Muslims have no quality. They pray 5 times a day but at the came time steal from fellow Muslims too like what we have seen they did to FELDA and Zakat funds.
Pro UMNO Muslims like Zul Nordin are even worse. . ., lagi chekai, taka ada quality langsung. Zul Nordin shouting and ranting to "pertahankan Ugama, Bangsa dan Negara" but never want and has no intention to pay his outstanding debt for money loaned to him by a fellow Muslim before the GE12. Until now he never repay the loan despite the many pleas his friend made to him. Macam duit tu baka dia punya!
Projecting himself to be pious (is he really?), he must have known that in Islam if a person dies without paying his debt, his soul will be "hanging" in limbo even if he had made good deed in his life and is bound for heaven. I do not know weather this hypocrite person will go to heaven or hell, Waullahualam!
Getting back to no quality UMNO goons, I will give you 2 examples how UMNO goons even for the construction of mosque (yes, a place to worship God Almighty!) also are shrouded with bribery, i.e. "haram" money. An example would be the construction of Masjid Al Azim, the Malacca state mosque. Two Muslim whistle blowers reported to Badan Pencegah Rasuah (now MACC) about corruption when the mosque was constructed was arrested and thrown in jail instead of the bribe taker and giver. Memang cekai and no quality UMNO goons who undertook the project.
Wonder how many more mosques constructed under no quality UMNO Muslims and their cronies are besieged with corruption?
Pro UMNO Muslims like Zul Nordin are even worse. . ., lagi chekai, taka ada quality langsung. Zul Nordin shouting and ranting to "pertahankan Ugama, Bangsa dan Negara" but never want and has no intention to pay his outstanding debt for money loaned to him by a fellow Muslim before the GE12. Until now he never repay the loan despite the many pleas his friend made to him. Macam duit tu baka dia punya!
Projecting himself to be pious (is he really?), he must have known that in Islam if a person dies without paying his debt, his soul will be "hanging" in limbo even if he had made good deed in his life and is bound for heaven. I do not know weather this hypocrite person will go to heaven or hell, Waullahualam!
Getting back to no quality UMNO goons, I will give you 2 examples how UMNO goons even for the construction of mosque (yes, a place to worship God Almighty!) also are shrouded with bribery, i.e. "haram" money. An example would be the construction of Masjid Al Azim, the Malacca state mosque. Two Muslim whistle blowers reported to Badan Pencegah Rasuah (now MACC) about corruption when the mosque was constructed was arrested and thrown in jail instead of the bribe taker and giver. Memang cekai and no quality UMNO goons who undertook the project.
Wonder how many more mosques constructed under no quality UMNO Muslims and their cronies are besieged with corruption?
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written by Qcumber, August 13, 2011 16:22:04
written by Qcumber, August 13, 2011 16:22:04
Instead of blaming Allah for not opening the heart, they also put the blame on Syaitan.
When a sin is committed, it is because of the hasutan syaitan. When you dont tutup aurat, syaitan will make the guys lustful. It seems that the basis of the teaching of Islam is to blame, and this has become more and more ketara in the Muslim community in our country.
Something has gone wrong with the religious authority? or the teaching itself?
When a sin is committed, it is because of the hasutan syaitan. When you dont tutup aurat, syaitan will make the guys lustful. It seems that the basis of the teaching of Islam is to blame, and this has become more and more ketara in the Muslim community in our country.
Something has gone wrong with the religious authority? or the teaching itself?
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written by sang kancil, August 13, 2011 16:10:23
written by sang kancil, August 13, 2011 16:10:23
dUMNO malay muslims are the ENEMY of ISLAM.
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written by Ken Liew, August 13, 2011 16:09:36
written by Ken Liew, August 13, 2011 16:09:36
Muslim is not a problem to most of us.... But when a Muslim run Off track
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written by Rodins Fist, August 13, 2011 15:51:44
written by Rodins Fist, August 13, 2011 15:51:44
I've met a few good muslims. They are more truthful and compassionate than my other friends and family.
Amazing people, not as calm as buddhist monks or yoga masters.But, dam near close enough to spirtual peace.
These other Gerakan, Patriot, Perkasa are loud animals barking at the moon, morally poor and violent behaviour.
Amazing people, not as calm as buddhist monks or yoga masters.But, dam near close enough to spirtual peace.
These other Gerakan, Patriot, Perkasa are loud animals barking at the moon, morally poor and violent behaviour.
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