These shenanigans have got to stop. PKR is starting to look like a party of slime-balls and scumbags. Are they so scared of Nurul Izzah that they need to play dirty to disqualify here?
NO HOLDS BARRED
Raja Petra Kamarudin
Nurul fails in bid for PKR deputy presidency
(Free Malaysia Today) - Lembah Pantai MP Nurul Izzah Anwar was unsuccessful in her bid for the PKR deputy presidency when she failed to get enough nominations.
She needed two nominations to pull through but had only one nomination to contend with.
Confirming the nomination results, PKR election committee member Wong Hoy Cheong said candidates must obtain at least two nominations but Nurul Izzah had obtained only one -- from Keningau, Sabah, at the close of nomination on Sunday.
The PKR Lembah Pantai division had nominated PKR central committee member Zaid Ibrahim for the deputy presidency.
Wong said according to the nomination list, three candidates will vie for the PKR presidency and seven for the deputy presidency.
He declined to disclose details.
Twenty-seven candidates have enough nominations for seven vice-president posts and 209 for 20 central leadership council posts, he said.
The list of those who qualified to contest party top posts are being filtered before their names are announced on Saturday, he added.
Besides Nurul and Zaid, Selangor Menteri Besar Khalid Ibrahim, PKR vice-presidents Mustafa Kamil Ayub and Mohamed Azmin Ali, and Zaid have entered the fray for the deputy presidency.
The party polls will be held from Oct 31 to Nov 21 while the national congress from Nov 26 to 28.
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PKR announced that Nurul Izzah obtained only one nomination. And since she requires at least two she is therefore not eligible to contest the party deputy presidency. What they did not announce is that she obtained another two nominations on Monday. So that makes three nominations that she obtained.
The party also announced that she received the one nomination as at the closing date on Sunday. Therefore, the two that she obtained on Monday, which the party did not mention, does not count.
But who decided that nominations close on Sunday? Was this a party supreme council decision or was it the decision of an individual or ‘committee’?
I suppose they will now say that the supreme council decided to give the mandate and sole discretion to one person or to the election committee. Therefore, whatever this one person or committee decides becomes ‘law’.
Alright then, if this is the case, was this ‘law’ gazetted? All laws must be gazetted before they become law. In other words was an announcement made informing everyone that the closing date for all nominations is Sunday and that all nominations received after this date will be rejected and will regarded as null?
A check with a few divisions reveals that they never received any gazette or circular from the party headquarters informing them that the closing date for nominations is Sunday.
Was it a ‘silent law’? Or did they expect everyone to read the minds of the people in the party headquarters? Mental telepathy maybe?
And when did they decide that Sunday is the closing date for nominations? Was this decided the following day, on Monday, after two more nominations for Nurul Izzah came in? In other words did they decide on the Sunday closing date on Monday when they realised that Nurul had received an additional two nominations and that this would therefore qualify her to contest the party deputy presidency?
I smell a rat here, a dead rat. And the smell stinks to high heaven. It appears like PKR is even dirtier than Umno. Now, even Umno is looking better than PKR.
These shenanigans have got to stop. PKR is starting to look like a party of slime-balls and scumbags. Are they so scared of Nurul Izzah that they need to play dirty to disqualify here?
Rules are fine. We need rules or else all hell will break loose and chaos will reign. But changing the rules, practicing unwritten rules, not informing players of the rules and then catching them unexpectedly, and moving the goalposts halfway through the game to win by fraud is just not on.
Play fair. Let Nurul contest. If she losses she must learn how to manage defeat. That would be a good lesson for her. And if she wins then it is the members’ choice. But disqualifying her because of a rule that no one knew about are things Umno does and not something that PKR should ape.
Sigh…I expect when ex-Umno people head PKR then we should not be surprised when they use Umno tactics in PKR. A leopard never changes its spots. So why should the ex-Umno people in PKR change their Umno habits as well?
I suppose we can always just sit back and watch PKR self-destruct. Then, come the next election, we can choose either DAP or PAS to vote for. Of course, there is always PSM or PRM in the event that DAP or PAS are not contesting in that particular constituency. Or we can persuade Gerakan to change its outdated and expired shelf-life leaders and then leave Barisan Nasional whereby we can all rally behind Gerakan as the new Third Force and multi-racial party like how it started out back in 1968.
I think I will go join Gerakan if they promise to revamp the party and change its leaders and leave Barisan Nasional to start life anew as a Third Force for all Malaysians fed up of both Barisan Nasional and Pakatan Rakyat.
Translated into Chinese at: http://ccliew.blogspot.com/2010/10/blog-post_1124.html
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written by lysa, October 15, 2010 09:29:28
written by lysa, October 15, 2010 09:29:28
You all must be grateful if it is really happen ... 
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written by onnetline, October 15, 2010 09:00:38
written by onnetline, October 15, 2010 09:00:38
How can the ' cacat otak ' or unIslamic ARMNO/PERKOSA racist Malays be anything better than even a below average ............ right thinking person ??
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written by Better My, October 14, 2010 06:06:24
written by Better My, October 14, 2010 06:06:24
The third force, poltical or non-poltical, re-opened by RPK himself , continues to open up more cans of worms, chipping away the united stand for the Pakatan, on top of the "out of character" RPK finding faults with PKR using quite harsh terms against PKR/PR
Did we talk about the winning the malay heartland or the East natives? A resounding no. This PKR direct election is like a slow motion bad movie, that is way past the ending times. The movier goers are beginning to leave the cinema theatre.
I say bn won handsomely in the past week(s) without them lifting a finger or saying anything.
Did we talk about the winning the malay heartland or the East natives? A resounding no. This PKR direct election is like a slow motion bad movie, that is way past the ending times. The movier goers are beginning to leave the cinema theatre.
I say bn won handsomely in the past week(s) without them lifting a finger or saying anything.
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written by fortycent, October 14, 2010 03:27:43
written by fortycent, October 14, 2010 03:27:43
For the Third Force maybe we can start with a coalition of 'a new Gerakan', HRP and a party from the West...just thinking
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written by fortycent, October 14, 2010 03:24:21
written by fortycent, October 14, 2010 03:24:21
This is a time when people can't wait 10 seconds for web page to load. And I can't 10 years for Pakatan to do all that they promised. We need the Third Force.
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written by Nunuk Ragang, October 14, 2010 01:33:16
written by Nunuk Ragang, October 14, 2010 01:33:16
In order to be stable, we first have to go through the unstable. In order to learn to cruise with a bicycle, you have to go through the stumble and falls and learn to do the right thing and unlearn the wrong maneuvers before you can cruise with your bicycle. Otherwise, we will only be cycling instead of cruising.
In order for Malaysia to thrust forward and be a great country, all of us Malaysians must demand the best out of our leaders.
Why settle for second best? Why settle for the lesser of two evils? Have not GE12 showed us that the rakyat has the power to force change? It wasnt because of Pakatan Rakyat, but it was because we have grown tired and disgusted of BN. Cyber-information was the catalyst for this, relevation of wrong doings which before were only hearsay only were made bare black and white on our computer screen. We had become informed and able to inform others.
If true and lasting change is what we are looking for, we must not settle for anything less than leader with the heart of Mahatma Gandhi, inspiring as Winston Churchill, enduring as Nelson Mandela and eloquent as Barack Obama.
Is that too much to ask, Malaysia??
In order for Malaysia to thrust forward and be a great country, all of us Malaysians must demand the best out of our leaders.
Why settle for second best? Why settle for the lesser of two evils? Have not GE12 showed us that the rakyat has the power to force change? It wasnt because of Pakatan Rakyat, but it was because we have grown tired and disgusted of BN. Cyber-information was the catalyst for this, relevation of wrong doings which before were only hearsay only were made bare black and white on our computer screen. We had become informed and able to inform others.
If true and lasting change is what we are looking for, we must not settle for anything less than leader with the heart of Mahatma Gandhi, inspiring as Winston Churchill, enduring as Nelson Mandela and eloquent as Barack Obama.
Is that too much to ask, Malaysia??
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written by Revolution, October 14, 2010 00:18:02
written by Revolution, October 14, 2010 00:18:02
NURUL will lead the country one day . Before this day to come , a lot of rats and cockroaches have to leave the stage ... It will takes time but IT WILL BE !!!
Dont give up , Nurul . You are right on everything . Dont change your way . Dont change your mind .
Show them all that your concern is Malaysia and not revenge nor personal agenda .
Dont give up , Nurul . You are right on everything . Dont change your way . Dont change your mind .
Show them all that your concern is Malaysia and not revenge nor personal agenda .
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written by reeperbahn, October 13, 2010 23:33:54
written by reeperbahn, October 13, 2010 23:33:54
..if the people who are talking about 3rd force have the ngo's like bar council, suaham, and bloggers like RPK et etc in mind then think carefully. they were there all the while. a non political organisation has no political mandate to change anything. the possibility to make a change comes only during an election. for this you need a political body to represent you.
at the moment this political body is PR. so make wise use of it to achieve your aim. UMNO/BN has been sitting on a secure saddle for 53 years therefore they are not rattled by critique from pro or contra umno bloggers. the infighting and their own scandals does'nt disquiet them a bit. on the other hand PR does'nt have such secure place in the government, being not the ruling party, therefore even small incidents cause a lot of melee inside the party.
if Nurul is disappointed by her disqualification, why did'nt she react? or is it a party political strategy?
BN/UMNO can't look better than PR or for that matter even equal to PR. they've never had a direct election. their head honchos are chosen by the brahmin caste umnoputras. even the coalition partners have no say there.
PEASE GIVE PR/PKR/PAS/DAP ONE CHANCE lah after 53 years of mismanagement by the ruling class.
talking about the third force is right because we are the real third force, the first is the ruling force, the second is the opposition force!
at the moment this political body is PR. so make wise use of it to achieve your aim. UMNO/BN has been sitting on a secure saddle for 53 years therefore they are not rattled by critique from pro or contra umno bloggers. the infighting and their own scandals does'nt disquiet them a bit. on the other hand PR does'nt have such secure place in the government, being not the ruling party, therefore even small incidents cause a lot of melee inside the party.
if Nurul is disappointed by her disqualification, why did'nt she react? or is it a party political strategy?
BN/UMNO can't look better than PR or for that matter even equal to PR. they've never had a direct election. their head honchos are chosen by the brahmin caste umnoputras. even the coalition partners have no say there.
PEASE GIVE PR/PKR/PAS/DAP ONE CHANCE lah after 53 years of mismanagement by the ruling class.
talking about the third force is right because we are the real third force, the first is the ruling force, the second is the opposition force!
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written by yusuf m, October 13, 2010 22:32:22
written by yusuf m, October 13, 2010 22:32:22
Don't discount the possibility of real trojan horses in PKR. Paid actors performings stunts, hired illusionists weaving magictricks with the 'other' hand.
Nevertheless, PKR need to be cleaned up good and proper. Those so-called party elders need to remember and remember well what this fight is all about. Anwar, Wan Azizah, Azmin, Saifuddin, Khalid, Syed Husin, Zaid (yes, even zaid), Chua Jui Meng, Jeffrey Kitingan and other stalwarts need to lock themselves up for a few days and really sort this out. It is for the sake of this damn country.
Its pathetic that umno is going to town everyday with this issue. Yes they have their dirty hands in this, but what are the party stalwarts/elders doing? Playing with marbles?
Nevertheless, PKR need to be cleaned up good and proper. Those so-called party elders need to remember and remember well what this fight is all about. Anwar, Wan Azizah, Azmin, Saifuddin, Khalid, Syed Husin, Zaid (yes, even zaid), Chua Jui Meng, Jeffrey Kitingan and other stalwarts need to lock themselves up for a few days and really sort this out. It is for the sake of this damn country.
Its pathetic that umno is going to town everyday with this issue. Yes they have their dirty hands in this, but what are the party stalwarts/elders doing? Playing with marbles?
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written by OldMan, October 13, 2010 22:09:15
written by OldMan, October 13, 2010 22:09:15
What is this 3rd force rubbish? Before 308 there were 3rd, 4th, 5th or whatever forces in action. What happened? People lost their focus and voted everywhere. In the end BN won comfortably. Then the people got wiser. During 308 there was only 2 forces in contention. You knew the result.
Now that GE13 coming soon, why talk about a 3rd force. The second force, i.e. PR, has not even been born yet. At least let the second force, warts and all, occupy Putrajaya. Then talk about the 3rd force. Now is not the time. RPK, are you trying to confuse the people?
Now that GE13 coming soon, why talk about a 3rd force. The second force, i.e. PR, has not even been born yet. At least let the second force, warts and all, occupy Putrajaya. Then talk about the 3rd force. Now is not the time. RPK, are you trying to confuse the people?
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written by rhdliu, October 13, 2010 21:46:57
written by rhdliu, October 13, 2010 21:46:57
I used to think that there is no hope in Malaysian Politics ... yes ABSOLUTELY NO HOPE ..... until Tsunami 2008. The shock n jolt really woke up many non-politically aligned Malaysian citizen just like me. Reading Malaysia Today and Malaysia Kini have become a daily affair to get the latest update on Pakatan Rakyat progress on administration and their strategies to change the sky when GE 13 come and of course the source of alternative news.
But to our dismay and which was also shared by RPK from his blogs the last few weeks, Pakatan Rakyat performed well belong par. The in-fighting within parties, the FROG jumping YBs, the corruption cases, the back stabbing ..etc etc ....Hope is slowly fading away ... There is so much that Rakyat can do ... yes, we Rakyat hold the key to reformation through our ballot but the problem is THERE IS NO CREDIBLE LEADERS OUT THERE .... I don't to mention them here ... but just open your eyes ... what have they done so far ?
This is especially in SABAH politics. Who is the potential leader for Sabah who really thinks and plans for Sabahan interest? No man .. everyone out there is for power and money ... I really can't see anyone of the so-called leaders dare to tackle the illegal immigrant issue (to really solve it ...not just blah blah and just to champion the issue while it is hot) .. Who dare to solve the poverty problems at many of the rural areas in Sabah? .. Who dare to fight for bigger percentage of the Oil & Natural Gas royalty from Petronas/Federal Government? Who dare to fight for the terms and conditions of Malaysia Formation by virtue of the 20 POINTS as agreed on 16th September 1963?
We Sabahan are the most unfortunate citizen in the world ... we could have been better - education, social welfare, well planned infrastructure, well managed forest, etc etc ... But now we are really heading towards destruction path when politically motivated agenda is the key issue of the day .... We are doomed ... cursed ... because we DO NOT have a credible and trust-worthy leader ... sigh ...sigh ..sigh ...
But to our dismay and which was also shared by RPK from his blogs the last few weeks, Pakatan Rakyat performed well belong par. The in-fighting within parties, the FROG jumping YBs, the corruption cases, the back stabbing ..etc etc ....Hope is slowly fading away ... There is so much that Rakyat can do ... yes, we Rakyat hold the key to reformation through our ballot but the problem is THERE IS NO CREDIBLE LEADERS OUT THERE .... I don't to mention them here ... but just open your eyes ... what have they done so far ?
This is especially in SABAH politics. Who is the potential leader for Sabah who really thinks and plans for Sabahan interest? No man .. everyone out there is for power and money ... I really can't see anyone of the so-called leaders dare to tackle the illegal immigrant issue (to really solve it ...not just blah blah and just to champion the issue while it is hot) .. Who dare to solve the poverty problems at many of the rural areas in Sabah? .. Who dare to fight for bigger percentage of the Oil & Natural Gas royalty from Petronas/Federal Government? Who dare to fight for the terms and conditions of Malaysia Formation by virtue of the 20 POINTS as agreed on 16th September 1963?
We Sabahan are the most unfortunate citizen in the world ... we could have been better - education, social welfare, well planned infrastructure, well managed forest, etc etc ... But now we are really heading towards destruction path when politically motivated agenda is the key issue of the day .... We are doomed ... cursed ... because we DO NOT have a credible and trust-worthy leader ... sigh ...sigh ..sigh ...
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written by Better My, October 13, 2010 20:33:25
written by Better My, October 13, 2010 20:33:25
Ok, another Better My Foot and My Cock. It is getting funnier! ( I reply in bracket)
written by arazak, October 13, 2010 17:42:33
No wonder you got whacked by our MT friends here. And I think you deserved to be called Better My foot, Better My cock or whatever. . .! Firstly, what closure hiccup? Didn’t you read the press release from the various PKR branches? They have not been told when the closing date is?
(Someone in PKR made a decision based on “some factors. They will have to account for it. It is unusual for the committee not to release their statement to explain despite the outcry from people like you and many here. I just want to get the whole thng over with, the week before yesterday irrespective who the leader is, though you know my preference)
Secondly, I am baffled on your ability to read Nurul’s mind and what she will do in the future. What makes you think she will seek revenge against those BN goons who had harmed her dad?
(She appears doggedly determined to get to the deputy post despite the hardship she would encounter, from my perspective. She has the motive, unfortunately, as she witnessed it all (the jajling and hurt done to her father) and she is close to the position to exact the revenge. A remote possibility, still there is one. Well, I hope she is not going all out at great personal family cost for that reason.)
Thirdly, you said “otherwise” she will make a good leader if only her personal cost is out of the way. To most of us, she is a good leader. . ., indeed! Tell me than, doesn’t male leaders too have family
(Muslim women are very much subservient by normal Malaysia convention/way of life for last 5 decades. Muslim malay males are alot more dominant. We are asking very much from the conservative kampung malay now to accept so many changes by Pakatan, including a potentially female Pm. Changes are very difficult things to sell. From an election tactical point, this is a big negative. Whereas, the conservative kampong can identify easier or more with a stern no-nonsense conservative Azmin male character. In time, with an open press/air media discussing these type issues and allay the prejudices against women in high offices or in Pmship, women will be more acceptable to the masses. As of now, most of your arguments in favour of female leading the nation are NOT reaching these conservatives in the kampungs, except in the independent web circle)
No Better my, we are not Klu Klax Klan or Perkosa that go around hanging people based on their different skin color, perception or ideology. Rest assured, we are civilised people and the only thing we will do is to whack you if you talk nonsense to us again!
(Thank You for your civility and not “hanging me when I have only Nurul well-being on my mind. Talking nonsense is subjective, depends on whose point of views you are on. Let just say, we disagree on the Nurul thing, and we agree to disagree)
By the way, stop drinking that godamn beer before you hit that keyboard!
(Thank you for your reminders but boy, after you go for a good workout and then you down put a litre or two of freezer ice-cold beer, it is heavenly, like lighting cigarette after dinner. If you don’t believe me, ask smokers or those than hang around at the bars in Bangsar – they will swear it is all bliss. Yes, I agree my grey cells are quite not their normal self after the intoxication and the lost in translation of thoughts into the keyboards end up with some oddity of messages that deserve to be whacked by the confused.)
it was fun exchanging with all the "Better my foot and my cock initiators.! Talk to u next time as this thread goes to oblivion soon.
written by arazak, October 13, 2010 17:42:33
No wonder you got whacked by our MT friends here. And I think you deserved to be called Better My foot, Better My cock or whatever. . .! Firstly, what closure hiccup? Didn’t you read the press release from the various PKR branches? They have not been told when the closing date is?
(Someone in PKR made a decision based on “some factors. They will have to account for it. It is unusual for the committee not to release their statement to explain despite the outcry from people like you and many here. I just want to get the whole thng over with, the week before yesterday irrespective who the leader is, though you know my preference)
Secondly, I am baffled on your ability to read Nurul’s mind and what she will do in the future. What makes you think she will seek revenge against those BN goons who had harmed her dad?
(She appears doggedly determined to get to the deputy post despite the hardship she would encounter, from my perspective. She has the motive, unfortunately, as she witnessed it all (the jajling and hurt done to her father) and she is close to the position to exact the revenge. A remote possibility, still there is one. Well, I hope she is not going all out at great personal family cost for that reason.)
Thirdly, you said “otherwise” she will make a good leader if only her personal cost is out of the way. To most of us, she is a good leader. . ., indeed! Tell me than, doesn’t male leaders too have family
(Muslim women are very much subservient by normal Malaysia convention/way of life for last 5 decades. Muslim malay males are alot more dominant. We are asking very much from the conservative kampung malay now to accept so many changes by Pakatan, including a potentially female Pm. Changes are very difficult things to sell. From an election tactical point, this is a big negative. Whereas, the conservative kampong can identify easier or more with a stern no-nonsense conservative Azmin male character. In time, with an open press/air media discussing these type issues and allay the prejudices against women in high offices or in Pmship, women will be more acceptable to the masses. As of now, most of your arguments in favour of female leading the nation are NOT reaching these conservatives in the kampungs, except in the independent web circle)
No Better my, we are not Klu Klax Klan or Perkosa that go around hanging people based on their different skin color, perception or ideology. Rest assured, we are civilised people and the only thing we will do is to whack you if you talk nonsense to us again!
(Thank You for your civility and not “hanging me when I have only Nurul well-being on my mind. Talking nonsense is subjective, depends on whose point of views you are on. Let just say, we disagree on the Nurul thing, and we agree to disagree)
By the way, stop drinking that godamn beer before you hit that keyboard!
(Thank you for your reminders but boy, after you go for a good workout and then you down put a litre or two of freezer ice-cold beer, it is heavenly, like lighting cigarette after dinner. If you don’t believe me, ask smokers or those than hang around at the bars in Bangsar – they will swear it is all bliss. Yes, I agree my grey cells are quite not their normal self after the intoxication and the lost in translation of thoughts into the keyboards end up with some oddity of messages that deserve to be whacked by the confused.)
it was fun exchanging with all the "Better my foot and my cock initiators.! Talk to u next time as this thread goes to oblivion soon.
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written by red1, October 13, 2010 20:30:01
written by red1, October 13, 2010 20:30:01
Not that i am defending Better My, but everyone including him has the right to their own opinion no matter how silly. In fact i do read his opinion and see the value of it. Silly of me.
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written by ibabonma, October 13, 2010 19:19:49
written by ibabonma, October 13, 2010 19:19:49
Closing date intended for any proceedings or transactions that fall on Sunday, a public holiday, is a misdemeanour, an illegality in the eyes of the law.
(If) In the absence of precedent thereof, reference must be made to legal course of action as being practised by court of law. In this respect, court rules must be applied as a basis of reference and the court is of the stand that the expiratory date of any transaction involving public and/or general interest, business or otherwise, as required thereof must not take effect on public holiday i.e. Sunday and it must be on the next working day i.e. Monday.
I submit, legally Nurul is eligible to contest the Deputy post.
(If) In the absence of precedent thereof, reference must be made to legal course of action as being practised by court of law. In this respect, court rules must be applied as a basis of reference and the court is of the stand that the expiratory date of any transaction involving public and/or general interest, business or otherwise, as required thereof must not take effect on public holiday i.e. Sunday and it must be on the next working day i.e. Monday.
I submit, legally Nurul is eligible to contest the Deputy post.
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written by alacarte, October 13, 2010 17:56:10
written by alacarte, October 13, 2010 17:56:10
UMNO already 'makan kenyang-kenyang', its now PKR's turn or is it? After all it was the hungry ex-UMNO who run to PKR to seek new pasture. We have a choice indeed, either to give the thumbs up to the pots or the pans.
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written by kevinD, October 13, 2010 17:46:14
written by kevinD, October 13, 2010 17:46:14
hello dick heads , please look beyond the gender. Nurul is inteligent , untainted and has more balls than anyone in PKR.
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written by arazak, October 13, 2010 17:42:33
written by arazak, October 13, 2010 17:42:33
Dear Better my, you wrote. . .;
“If Nurul is given the opportunity to go for the deputy post by the committee despite the closure hiccup, and she chose to go for the deputy post contest o get to Pmship, in revenge for what bn has done to her dad, then her choice is for the wrong reason and it will skew her judgement negatively in her leadership. Otherwise, she will make a great leader after the deputy post, later to Pm (assuming she sails smoothly to the top bypassing everyone) but I dread at very great personal cost to herself and family, in my opinion. “
You can’t possibly hang me for looking after Nurul well-being. Can you? )
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No wonder you got whacked by our MT friends here. And I think you deserved to be called Better My foot, Better My cock or whatever. . .!
Firstly, what closure hiccup? Didn’t you read the press release from the various PKR branches? They have not been told when the closing date is?
Secondly, I am baffled on your ability to read Nurul’s mind and what she will do in the future. What makes you think he will seek revenge against those BN goons who had harmed her dad? Didn’t you noticed, even her dad is not a revengeful person. . ., in fact when asked about Toon Kutty, Anwar just shrugged and said “let bygone be bygone” (of course, this reply disappointed us!).
Thirdly, you said “otherwise” she will make a good leader if only her personal cost is out of the way. To most of us, she is a good leader. . ., indeed! Tell me than, doesn’t male leaders too have family? If we are to choose a leader, and it is between Ibrahim Ali and Nurul Izzah, I am pretty sure Nurul Izzah will win hands down! And I am talking Ibrahim Ali who is a male species, a gender you assume to have less obligation taking care of a family!
No Better my, we are not Klu Klax Klan or Perkosa that go around hanging people based on their different skin color, perception or ideology. Rest assured, we are civilised people and the only thing we will do is to whack you if you talk nonsense to us again!
By the way, stop drinking that godamn beer before you hit that keyboard!
“If Nurul is given the opportunity to go for the deputy post by the committee despite the closure hiccup, and she chose to go for the deputy post contest o get to Pmship, in revenge for what bn has done to her dad, then her choice is for the wrong reason and it will skew her judgement negatively in her leadership. Otherwise, she will make a great leader after the deputy post, later to Pm (assuming she sails smoothly to the top bypassing everyone) but I dread at very great personal cost to herself and family, in my opinion. “
You can’t possibly hang me for looking after Nurul well-being. Can you? )
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No wonder you got whacked by our MT friends here. And I think you deserved to be called Better My foot, Better My cock or whatever. . .!
Firstly, what closure hiccup? Didn’t you read the press release from the various PKR branches? They have not been told when the closing date is?
Secondly, I am baffled on your ability to read Nurul’s mind and what she will do in the future. What makes you think he will seek revenge against those BN goons who had harmed her dad? Didn’t you noticed, even her dad is not a revengeful person. . ., in fact when asked about Toon Kutty, Anwar just shrugged and said “let bygone be bygone” (of course, this reply disappointed us!).
Thirdly, you said “otherwise” she will make a good leader if only her personal cost is out of the way. To most of us, she is a good leader. . ., indeed! Tell me than, doesn’t male leaders too have family? If we are to choose a leader, and it is between Ibrahim Ali and Nurul Izzah, I am pretty sure Nurul Izzah will win hands down! And I am talking Ibrahim Ali who is a male species, a gender you assume to have less obligation taking care of a family!
No Better my, we are not Klu Klax Klan or Perkosa that go around hanging people based on their different skin color, perception or ideology. Rest assured, we are civilised people and the only thing we will do is to whack you if you talk nonsense to us again!
By the way, stop drinking that godamn beer before you hit that keyboard!
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written by Better My, October 13, 2010 16:56:31
written by Better My, October 13, 2010 16:56:31
After a few beers, I am reading again why the derogatory Better this that shit . Better my foot and Better my cock” - these are names you dont label with Better My for what the two words mean. Same as you don’t say Vote My Cock should u be aggro with Voters Get Voters guy. Like My flag or combo of RPK letters, you stand up, “tapek the flag or RPK combo. You just can’t possibly use Better My extension in the most dereogatory terms – it is a sin against My.
“written by Aizuddin Danian, October 13, 2010 09:28:35
BetterMy, What you said is incredibly sexist and degrading towards Nurul Izzah AND her family.”
(When is considering a family interest, her health, her well-being taken as sexist and male chauvinist? You are way too fast in drawing your “gun, Aizuddin. Never have I said she can’t run for the deputy post. or I degraded her as woman. I laid down the reasons why and an energetic male is better suited to this very taxing 12/7 job. . I welcome your argument on how as a mother, wife and politician with young kids can do an equally effective job as male - for example, you can say, she has been training or running in some marathon in the past years, . Have you ever stood for 9 hours a whole day and 4 days in a stretch in an exhibition? I have and you feel all the bones touching other bones and your muscles are all mostly jelly - you are gone. I expect Nurul would be in this situation, multiply that by 100x + Where is her time for the children? And what happen if her children are sick (very common thing) when she is at the East native land. What if her young children expect her to join school curricumlum activities? ? When you demand her involvement in this very taxing deputy post, you are looking at your own interest to get her to go all out. When you consider these many hardships, you are looking at your candidate’s interest – which is a good thing)
1. You assume that it's a woman's place to "be there" for her husband and children. That's an a typical male chauvinist position (Children need their mother and father a lot more when they are young. They can enjoy each other so much. To deny them this not the right thing to do. )
2. You assume that her decision to run for deputy president was made without thinking about her family (are you saying she is a bad mother and wife?).
(No I am not saying she is bad mother and wife. The family is very young. The sacrifice we are asking her to make is way too much, irrespective of the family decision. Childhood only come once and the best time with the children is when they are young. In the blink of an eye, they will be grown-ups. Ask any has-been mother, Aizuddin. )
3. You assume that her husband did not approve of her decision (are you her husband?)
(Same points as point 2. No, I am not her hubbie, since you ask )
4. You assume that age and seniority are pre-qualifiers for leadership. By saying that "seniority" is a pre-requisite than you're no better than those who believe that political patronage is the way to go, the idea that young leaders "should wait in line for their turn". (Seniority is not the only consideration but should carry some(a lot?) of the weighting ratings in the eyes of the PKR members decision makers.
Just as you have the right to voice your support for her, I have the same right to say it as it is for now – there is an overall better capable candidate for this deputy post job in my books with all things considered. )
written by tompipi49, October 13, 2010 09:38:56 Better MY FOOT
U TALK COCK” (Be more specific. Your unfounded cock talk is not helping me to engage with you )
written by pixieface, October 13, 2010 10:57:25 Better my "foot".
You really asking to get "WHACKED" for your male ego chauvinism !!!!! women are more meticulous and make perfect "Head of States" and prime ministers. Well, if you detest living 'under ' a woman leadership, i guess, you should get yourself an island
and form a male domination colony (Same reply as above. N ever have I disputed women can be (not necessarily “are”) more meticulous and make perfect. PM or I detest living under a woman leadership. I say your total devotion to Nurul, a commendable thing to do, has foolishly clouded your snese of judgement in this case.
In summary and a caution. We are all on the same side. If Nurul is given the opportunity to go for the deputy post by the committee despite the closure hiccup, and she chose to go for the deputy post contest o get to Pmship, in revenge for what bn has done to her dad, then her choice is for the wrong reason and it will skew her judgement negatively in her leadership. Otherwise, she will make a great leader after the deputy post, later to Pm (assuming she sails smoothly to the top bypassing everyone) but I dread at very great personal cost to herself and family, in my opinion.
You can’t possibly hang me for looking after Nurul well-being. Can you? )
“written by Aizuddin Danian, October 13, 2010 09:28:35
BetterMy, What you said is incredibly sexist and degrading towards Nurul Izzah AND her family.”
(When is considering a family interest, her health, her well-being taken as sexist and male chauvinist? You are way too fast in drawing your “gun, Aizuddin. Never have I said she can’t run for the deputy post. or I degraded her as woman. I laid down the reasons why and an energetic male is better suited to this very taxing 12/7 job. . I welcome your argument on how as a mother, wife and politician with young kids can do an equally effective job as male - for example, you can say, she has been training or running in some marathon in the past years, . Have you ever stood for 9 hours a whole day and 4 days in a stretch in an exhibition? I have and you feel all the bones touching other bones and your muscles are all mostly jelly - you are gone. I expect Nurul would be in this situation, multiply that by 100x + Where is her time for the children? And what happen if her children are sick (very common thing) when she is at the East native land. What if her young children expect her to join school curricumlum activities? ? When you demand her involvement in this very taxing deputy post, you are looking at your own interest to get her to go all out. When you consider these many hardships, you are looking at your candidate’s interest – which is a good thing)
1. You assume that it's a woman's place to "be there" for her husband and children. That's an a typical male chauvinist position (Children need their mother and father a lot more when they are young. They can enjoy each other so much. To deny them this not the right thing to do. )
2. You assume that her decision to run for deputy president was made without thinking about her family (are you saying she is a bad mother and wife?).
(No I am not saying she is bad mother and wife. The family is very young. The sacrifice we are asking her to make is way too much, irrespective of the family decision. Childhood only come once and the best time with the children is when they are young. In the blink of an eye, they will be grown-ups. Ask any has-been mother, Aizuddin. )
3. You assume that her husband did not approve of her decision (are you her husband?)
(Same points as point 2. No, I am not her hubbie, since you ask )
4. You assume that age and seniority are pre-qualifiers for leadership. By saying that "seniority" is a pre-requisite than you're no better than those who believe that political patronage is the way to go, the idea that young leaders "should wait in line for their turn". (Seniority is not the only consideration but should carry some(a lot?) of the weighting ratings in the eyes of the PKR members decision makers.
Just as you have the right to voice your support for her, I have the same right to say it as it is for now – there is an overall better capable candidate for this deputy post job in my books with all things considered. )
written by tompipi49, October 13, 2010 09:38:56 Better MY FOOT
U TALK COCK” (Be more specific. Your unfounded cock talk is not helping me to engage with you )
written by pixieface, October 13, 2010 10:57:25 Better my "foot".
You really asking to get "WHACKED" for your male ego chauvinism !!!!! women are more meticulous and make perfect "Head of States" and prime ministers. Well, if you detest living 'under ' a woman leadership, i guess, you should get yourself an island
and form a male domination colony (Same reply as above. N ever have I disputed women can be (not necessarily “are”) more meticulous and make perfect. PM or I detest living under a woman leadership. I say your total devotion to Nurul, a commendable thing to do, has foolishly clouded your snese of judgement in this case.
In summary and a caution. We are all on the same side. If Nurul is given the opportunity to go for the deputy post by the committee despite the closure hiccup, and she chose to go for the deputy post contest o get to Pmship, in revenge for what bn has done to her dad, then her choice is for the wrong reason and it will skew her judgement negatively in her leadership. Otherwise, she will make a great leader after the deputy post, later to Pm (assuming she sails smoothly to the top bypassing everyone) but I dread at very great personal cost to herself and family, in my opinion.
You can’t possibly hang me for looking after Nurul well-being. Can you? )
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written by aryn, October 13, 2010 16:34:15
written by aryn, October 13, 2010 16:34:15
This is what happen when bloggers try to be kingmakers. Again!
First, they formed the Bloggers United to bring down ex-PM Abdullah Badawi even supporting Dr M for it.
But everyone in the BU had their own agenda and their own 'king'. As can be seen after Najib became the PM. BU was dissolved even the bloggers house was close. Now it houses the Saya Anak Bangsa Malaysia movement.
Gerakan, the third force? Someone, or is it just an ambitious group of blogger kingmakers, has lost touch with the people on the ground.
Actually, I once saw the potential in Zaid Ibrahim. Until he becomes 'nanyu' with his endless statements and listening only to a selected few.
First, they formed the Bloggers United to bring down ex-PM Abdullah Badawi even supporting Dr M for it.
But everyone in the BU had their own agenda and their own 'king'. As can be seen after Najib became the PM. BU was dissolved even the bloggers house was close. Now it houses the Saya Anak Bangsa Malaysia movement.
Gerakan, the third force? Someone, or is it just an ambitious group of blogger kingmakers, has lost touch with the people on the ground.
Actually, I once saw the potential in Zaid Ibrahim. Until he becomes 'nanyu' with his endless statements and listening only to a selected few.
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written by Oscar Winner, October 13, 2010 15:24:08
written by Oscar Winner, October 13, 2010 15:24:08
Dear Pete, with all due respect, I do not like the title of this artcle. UMNO will capitalise on it to convince the fence-sitters and kampong folks for their votes. Please whack PKR whenver you deem it fit to do so, but hope you will be careful not to give UMNO any chance to turn it into an ammunition
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written by reeperbahn, October 13, 2010 15:18:19
written by reeperbahn, October 13, 2010 15:18:19
..if the candidate nomination is opened, then the period would also be defined. thats logical. there is no nomination period with open end. lets see what PKR says. please don't speculate without having facts. this is something that could be found out fast.
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written by sioponthan, October 13, 2010 15:01:16
written by sioponthan, October 13, 2010 15:01:16
the title of this article seems to be really reflect the reality of political situation in Malaysia.
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written by LimD, October 13, 2010 14:48:01
written by LimD, October 13, 2010 14:48:01
PKR is not going to get my vote if they refuse to change for the better.
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written by Catharsis, October 13, 2010 14:41:07
written by Catharsis, October 13, 2010 14:41:07
Testosterone are produced in the testes and when the testosterne gets into the head that person become a TOTAL IDIOT..................now can you see why so many of them in DAP AND PKR
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written by batsman, October 13, 2010 14:09:08
written by batsman, October 13, 2010 14:09:08
Actually if UMNO is better than PKR, what's the harm in voting for UMNO?
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written by batsman, October 13, 2010 14:06:23
written by batsman, October 13, 2010 14:06:23
Come on PKR! If you fight for justice you must fight for it inside the party as well as outside. There must be no loss of integrity just to pander to party discipline or to technical rules.
3 divisions supported Nurul's nomination. I should think this is more important than stupid rules and stupid deadlines.
3 divisions supported Nurul's nomination. I should think this is more important than stupid rules and stupid deadlines.
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written by Better My, October 13, 2010 13:59:57
written by Better My, October 13, 2010 13:59:57
written by hellosunshine, October 13, 2010 13:18:40 It seems like most of us are running around helter skelter like headless chickens, unsure what to do before GE13. For want of better alternatives on the table, we must stand as 1-Opposition against the BeEnd juggernaut and according to Sun Szu's art of war, our weak position dictates that we must unite even tho' it is almost impossible to defeat BeEnd head on, let alone in chaos now. Make do with what we have now, find out the weaknesses, remove or rectify these weaknesses even tho' it may cause great pain. We can't start a 3rd force now as time is running out and how to guarantee the candidates in the 3rd force are not scumbags and slimeballs too? GE13 should be just around the corner within months from now in 2011. Don't be surprised Najis is also using Sun Szu stratagem to attack PKR from within and when the enemy is at it's weakest, strike at them by dissolving Parliament and holding GE13 at a moment's notice. So please, all you political scumbags and slimeballs, put down all your personal greed and power craziness for once to help the nation. Call a truce for the time being. Is that too hard to do??? "
hear HEAR H E A R (the last hear in Impact font, 200 point size, red bold caption.)
hear HEAR H E A R (the last hear in Impact font, 200 point size, red bold caption.)
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written by Better My, October 13, 2010 13:31:47
written by Better My, October 13, 2010 13:31:47
written by Nunuk Ragang, October
"What we need are fresh young players who does not subscribe to power craze,ketuanan melayu and racial politics." ( you wont find many. If they are, they rather do their own things, nothing poltical, rather than sticking their necks out for you)
"I don't support any political parties here in Sabah," (Whether you like it or not, oppostion political party, like PR, is the only way for us to get out from the decay. There is no othe way unless you want to set off a mutiny/revolution/rebellion with bloods oozing out from many )
"Sabahans, do you think if PR comes to power the mother of all problem the illegal immigrants who has becomed citizens here in Sabah will be solved?" (I see these kind of migration problems would be looked together in Sabah PR component parties in quick time and the solutions provided. Otherwise, they will cop plenty of flak for not organising an orderly slected migration program.)
Re: Don't forget Anwar played a major role in destroying the indigenous population in Sabah. Do you think he will change? (I say he has changed big time from his speeches. If he doesn't perform reasonably well to voters satisfaction, you have every right to vote him out. But dont expect the world of him - there are other contraints to what one can do and the 101 things that are expected of him to do. Just got to give him time like a few years but we will on the right track)
"has he said anything about regretting doing it when he was the DPM?" (in his own way, he has by speaking out for ALL of us today on his campaign trails and overseas. Let him be. Gvie Anwar a chance to govern for malaysia. If we dont like him and there are better alternatives, vote him out. I am quite sure he wont hold a gun to your head that you must vote for him)
"Young Sabahans, the future of our children whether it is bleak of bright lies in our hands"
(yes, you are right and Pakatan party is the closes thing we have now to satisfy your chidlrens future.)
"I think I will go join Gerakan if they promise to revamp the party and change its leaders and leave Barisan Nasiona" (Too many ifs - if al these are done, there is every likelihood that the problems facing PR now will be met by other parties as well or the 3rd political parties. Lets put PR into government. and work our the (finer) solutions to 101 problems when we come to the bridge. The problems today are just TOO many in very exceptional times. We have to remain UNITED, keep our powder dry for the mother of of election - the next GE) )
written by syd, October 13, 2010 09:45:59 Its about time you(RPK) become a politician instead og being a activist"
(The minute RPK becomes a poltician, his persona would be different immediately, he would cop flak one after another, by the next activist "RPK clone and he would be lost unless he toe the party lines. We dont want to see that).
"What we need are fresh young players who does not subscribe to power craze,ketuanan melayu and racial politics." ( you wont find many. If they are, they rather do their own things, nothing poltical, rather than sticking their necks out for you)
"I don't support any political parties here in Sabah," (Whether you like it or not, oppostion political party, like PR, is the only way for us to get out from the decay. There is no othe way unless you want to set off a mutiny/revolution/rebellion with bloods oozing out from many )
"Sabahans, do you think if PR comes to power the mother of all problem the illegal immigrants who has becomed citizens here in Sabah will be solved?" (I see these kind of migration problems would be looked together in Sabah PR component parties in quick time and the solutions provided. Otherwise, they will cop plenty of flak for not organising an orderly slected migration program.)
Re: Don't forget Anwar played a major role in destroying the indigenous population in Sabah. Do you think he will change? (I say he has changed big time from his speeches. If he doesn't perform reasonably well to voters satisfaction, you have every right to vote him out. But dont expect the world of him - there are other contraints to what one can do and the 101 things that are expected of him to do. Just got to give him time like a few years but we will on the right track)
"has he said anything about regretting doing it when he was the DPM?" (in his own way, he has by speaking out for ALL of us today on his campaign trails and overseas. Let him be. Gvie Anwar a chance to govern for malaysia. If we dont like him and there are better alternatives, vote him out. I am quite sure he wont hold a gun to your head that you must vote for him)
"Young Sabahans, the future of our children whether it is bleak of bright lies in our hands"
(yes, you are right and Pakatan party is the closes thing we have now to satisfy your chidlrens future.)
"I think I will go join Gerakan if they promise to revamp the party and change its leaders and leave Barisan Nasiona" (Too many ifs - if al these are done, there is every likelihood that the problems facing PR now will be met by other parties as well or the 3rd political parties. Lets put PR into government. and work our the (finer) solutions to 101 problems when we come to the bridge. The problems today are just TOO many in very exceptional times. We have to remain UNITED, keep our powder dry for the mother of of election - the next GE) )
written by syd, October 13, 2010 09:45:59 Its about time you(RPK) become a politician instead og being a activist"
(The minute RPK becomes a poltician, his persona would be different immediately, he would cop flak one after another, by the next activist "RPK clone and he would be lost unless he toe the party lines. We dont want to see that).
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written by popuri, October 13, 2010 13:31:11
written by popuri, October 13, 2010 13:31:11
Pardon me for saying so, it seems that neither BN nor the opposition deserves my vote. I'm thoroughly disappointed with the way it all turn out.
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written by popuri, October 13, 2010 13:23:17
written by popuri, October 13, 2010 13:23:17
Would a third force work? If so, who and where would this third force come from?
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written by hellosunshine, October 13, 2010 13:18:40
written by hellosunshine, October 13, 2010 13:18:40
It seems like most of us are running around helter skelter like headless chickens, unsure what to do before GE13. For want of better alternatives on the table, we must stand as 1-Opposition against the BeEnd juggernaut and according to Sun Szu's art of war, our weak position dictates that we must unite even tho' it is almost impossible to defeat BeEnd head on, let alone in chaos now. Make do with what we have now, find out the weaknesses, remove or rectify these weaknesses even tho' it may cause great pain. We can't start a 3rd force now as time is running out and how to guarantee the candidates in the 3rd force are not scumbags and slimeballs too? GE13 should be just around the corner within months from now in 2011. Don't be surprised Najis is also using Sun Szu stratagem to attack PKR from within and when the enemy is at it's weakest, strike at them by dissolving Parliament and holding GE13 at a moment's notice. So please, all you political scumbags and slimeballs, put down all your personal greed and power craziness for once to help the nation. Call a truce for the time being. Is that too hard to do??? 
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written by Semuaok, October 13, 2010 12:59:34
written by Semuaok, October 13, 2010 12:59:34
RPK,
I have been consistent in my view about ex BN/UMNO/MCA. These are a bunch of unwanted garbage from BN. They did not choose to leave, they are rejected looser that have no place to go and was given a new life by the Rakyat. These are a group of crooks and liars, dreaming that one day of becoming our PM.
Not long ago Zaid said he is not interested in holding any position, Than he said he will give up his DP if Khalid run. And now Khalid is in, believe me this slick talking Willy is not a quitter he is hoping that Khalid would support him if he go for the president post.
And not long ago Khalid said he is not good at politic and continue to said that it's better for him cause it allow him more time to manage Selangor.
Azmin continue to play ignorant, he said "I'm surprise Khalid run." He said it's not him who push Khalid at a corner and it's not him that go again his own party to make sure Zaid is not elected. Azmin don't play stupid like UMNO. You know what I'm saying.
Anwar continue to have his sight on the premiership but have no clue how to manage his party and his cronies. Anwar just like Azmin, not only play stupid but also turn into invisible man so that the Rakyat would not be angry at him.
To me PKR is a family business. It belong to Anwar and his family. No one I repeat no one is interested in running the country but to take revenge on BN/UMNO at the expense of Malaysia. All they care is to see the demise of UMNO/MCA, which is not a bad thing, but do they understand the implication of their action and the negative effect it cause on Malaysia and the Rakyat.
Malaysia is suffering from FDI, you can blame it all on UMNO alone, and rightly so, but aren't the opposition are part of the government and should share full responsibility as well.
I do not have much hope on Malaysia. As we talk about becoming high income producing country. Our income in fact has actually decline. China factory workers now make US$250 a month but our Indian friends is making less than that. While we aim to become technology base industries, our best brains are leaving or if not already left for better higher paying job else where.
As a businessman I'm fortunately to have visit many countries yearly and have plenty of opportunity to interact with a lot of people. I try all my best to help buy/import more from Malaysia, the more I such the more I'm getting disappointed (sound similar to what you are feeling about PKR). Let me put it this way. Not only the Malay have fallen behind, the Malaysian Chinese is not doing any better. From other country perspective, Malaysian are good workers they can take a lot of shit and work their ass off but cannot lead, cannot build and is not creative but they will work and follow according to a plan by someone. The only different I can see is from Singaporean Chinese but they are not Malaysian anymore.
I think it is a little late and I think PKR is not making it any better. The working population/Chinese are too small/getting smaller to support the whole of Malaysia.
Malay have to grow up. Period
I have been consistent in my view about ex BN/UMNO/MCA. These are a bunch of unwanted garbage from BN. They did not choose to leave, they are rejected looser that have no place to go and was given a new life by the Rakyat. These are a group of crooks and liars, dreaming that one day of becoming our PM.
Not long ago Zaid said he is not interested in holding any position, Than he said he will give up his DP if Khalid run. And now Khalid is in, believe me this slick talking Willy is not a quitter he is hoping that Khalid would support him if he go for the president post.
And not long ago Khalid said he is not good at politic and continue to said that it's better for him cause it allow him more time to manage Selangor.
Azmin continue to play ignorant, he said "I'm surprise Khalid run." He said it's not him who push Khalid at a corner and it's not him that go again his own party to make sure Zaid is not elected. Azmin don't play stupid like UMNO. You know what I'm saying.
Anwar continue to have his sight on the premiership but have no clue how to manage his party and his cronies. Anwar just like Azmin, not only play stupid but also turn into invisible man so that the Rakyat would not be angry at him.
To me PKR is a family business. It belong to Anwar and his family. No one I repeat no one is interested in running the country but to take revenge on BN/UMNO at the expense of Malaysia. All they care is to see the demise of UMNO/MCA, which is not a bad thing, but do they understand the implication of their action and the negative effect it cause on Malaysia and the Rakyat.
Malaysia is suffering from FDI, you can blame it all on UMNO alone, and rightly so, but aren't the opposition are part of the government and should share full responsibility as well.
I do not have much hope on Malaysia. As we talk about becoming high income producing country. Our income in fact has actually decline. China factory workers now make US$250 a month but our Indian friends is making less than that. While we aim to become technology base industries, our best brains are leaving or if not already left for better higher paying job else where.
As a businessman I'm fortunately to have visit many countries yearly and have plenty of opportunity to interact with a lot of people. I try all my best to help buy/import more from Malaysia, the more I such the more I'm getting disappointed (sound similar to what you are feeling about PKR). Let me put it this way. Not only the Malay have fallen behind, the Malaysian Chinese is not doing any better. From other country perspective, Malaysian are good workers they can take a lot of shit and work their ass off but cannot lead, cannot build and is not creative but they will work and follow according to a plan by someone. The only different I can see is from Singaporean Chinese but they are not Malaysian anymore.
I think it is a little late and I think PKR is not making it any better. The working population/Chinese are too small/getting smaller to support the whole of Malaysia.
Malay have to grow up. Period
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written by earthman, October 13, 2010 12:52:27
written by earthman, October 13, 2010 12:52:27
The truth is Umno is not looking better but PKR is looking just like Umno. In Umno, its called money politics ,but in PKR its called Umno politics?
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written by Nunuk Ragang, October 13, 2010 11:59:27
written by Nunuk Ragang, October 13, 2010 11:59:27
Ex-UMNO FC players moving the goal post?
What we need are fresh young players who does not subscribe to power craze,ketuanan melayu and racial politics. People who are able to decide for the best for the country beyond the colour of their own skin. And these are the people that we need to be the Third Force. And YB Nurul Izzah can be the epitome of this third force.
I don't support any political parties here in Sabah, and last GE i voted for PR due to my frustration that the sons of the soil are being sidelined through subtle, unseen and unwritten economic policies by federal government and the divide and rule policies that left the pribumi race in Sabah in scrambles left to fend for themselves while the pribumi politicians are fighting among themselves trying hard to stay relevant and their 'koncho-koncho' trying their best to enrich themselves as the economic cake for them is small as UMNO sabah takes the majority share of the cake. Brilliant strategy by the central government to ensure the once majority indigenous population be diluted, stay economically behind and their leaders tied to the nose like fat buffaloes.
Sabahans, do you think if PR comes to power the mother of all problem the illegal immigrants who has becomed citizens here in Sabah will be solved? Don't forget Anwar played a major role in destroying the indigenous population in Sabah. Do you think he will change? has he said anything about regretting doing it when he was the DPM?
Young Sabahans, the future of our children whether it is bleak of bright lies in our hands. It's either our identities shall be reduced to mere cultural shows or we stand up and fight by voting those who shall give due recognition to us as the sons of soil.
RPK, i know you sympathise with the people of Sabah and Sarawak, and if u say vote for Gerakan if they revamped, i will do so and try my best to influence everyone within my vicinity.
What we need are fresh young players who does not subscribe to power craze,ketuanan melayu and racial politics. People who are able to decide for the best for the country beyond the colour of their own skin. And these are the people that we need to be the Third Force. And YB Nurul Izzah can be the epitome of this third force.
I don't support any political parties here in Sabah, and last GE i voted for PR due to my frustration that the sons of the soil are being sidelined through subtle, unseen and unwritten economic policies by federal government and the divide and rule policies that left the pribumi race in Sabah in scrambles left to fend for themselves while the pribumi politicians are fighting among themselves trying hard to stay relevant and their 'koncho-koncho' trying their best to enrich themselves as the economic cake for them is small as UMNO sabah takes the majority share of the cake. Brilliant strategy by the central government to ensure the once majority indigenous population be diluted, stay economically behind and their leaders tied to the nose like fat buffaloes.
Sabahans, do you think if PR comes to power the mother of all problem the illegal immigrants who has becomed citizens here in Sabah will be solved? Don't forget Anwar played a major role in destroying the indigenous population in Sabah. Do you think he will change? has he said anything about regretting doing it when he was the DPM?
Young Sabahans, the future of our children whether it is bleak of bright lies in our hands. It's either our identities shall be reduced to mere cultural shows or we stand up and fight by voting those who shall give due recognition to us as the sons of soil.
RPK, i know you sympathise with the people of Sabah and Sarawak, and if u say vote for Gerakan if they revamped, i will do so and try my best to influence everyone within my vicinity.
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written by Better My, October 13, 2010 11:25:21
written by Better My, October 13, 2010 11:25:21
Any more "Better my foot & cock" thing before I take up my right of reply?
More please. Thank You.
More please. Thank You.
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written by NanoNano, October 13, 2010 11:02:06
written by NanoNano, October 13, 2010 11:02:06
In the grand scheme of things, whether its PR, a third force, a revamped Gerakan or even a reformed BN, it don't matter none if the democratic institutions of governance and integrity are not firmly in place.
For instance, let's say that now much talked about third force takes over in future, what is there to stop them from falling into the greed trap much later, if there's no strong democratic institutions in place. Of late, we now see all those power and position grabbing folks in the ranks of the opposition. We have the tendency to assume that everything would be a ok once the new kid in town takes over.
Look at Japan now. There's a new ruling party, the Democratic Party and yet, that party is riddled with factional fighting... the Kans vs the Ozawas. But we know the people of Japan will not be afraid to chose others to rule the country should the current government fail them ( and I dare say that the previous governing party, the LDP, will take back power in the next elections) because...they have strong governing institutions.
Will this land of ours ever join the ranks of truly strong democracies? I don't know Pete. But one thing I do know, just like what Ku Li says, Umno and by extension, BN, will never reform! And because we don't see a future with BN, it just leaves us with PR at the moment. The third force? Well, if we are to place our bets on it, it better happen fast! For time is not on our side.
For instance, let's say that now much talked about third force takes over in future, what is there to stop them from falling into the greed trap much later, if there's no strong democratic institutions in place. Of late, we now see all those power and position grabbing folks in the ranks of the opposition. We have the tendency to assume that everything would be a ok once the new kid in town takes over.
Look at Japan now. There's a new ruling party, the Democratic Party and yet, that party is riddled with factional fighting... the Kans vs the Ozawas. But we know the people of Japan will not be afraid to chose others to rule the country should the current government fail them ( and I dare say that the previous governing party, the LDP, will take back power in the next elections) because...they have strong governing institutions.
Will this land of ours ever join the ranks of truly strong democracies? I don't know Pete. But one thing I do know, just like what Ku Li says, Umno and by extension, BN, will never reform! And because we don't see a future with BN, it just leaves us with PR at the moment. The third force? Well, if we are to place our bets on it, it better happen fast! For time is not on our side.
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written by pixieface, October 13, 2010 10:57:25
written by pixieface, October 13, 2010 10:57:25
Better my "foot".
You really asking to get "WHACKED" for your male ego chauvinism !!!!!
Sure, keep your own better half at home !!!!!!
It has been a fact, that women are more meticulous and make perfect "Head of States" and prime ministers.
Well, if you detest living 'under ' a woman leadership, i guess, you should get yourself an island
and form a male domination colony !!!!!!!!!!!!!
As it is, PKR is self imploding with all the ex amenos shit permeating in the party.
AA was probably peeing in his pants, when nurrul made the announcement.
Like I said, she was sabotaged !!!!!!!!!!!
You really asking to get "WHACKED" for your male ego chauvinism !!!!!
Sure, keep your own better half at home !!!!!!
It has been a fact, that women are more meticulous and make perfect "Head of States" and prime ministers.
Well, if you detest living 'under ' a woman leadership, i guess, you should get yourself an island
and form a male domination colony !!!!!!!!!!!!!
As it is, PKR is self imploding with all the ex amenos shit permeating in the party.
AA was probably peeing in his pants, when nurrul made the announcement.
Like I said, she was sabotaged !!!!!!!!!!!
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written by Ken Liew, October 13, 2010 10:43:04
written by Ken Liew, October 13, 2010 10:43:04
once an A*****e... always a A*****e..... you need better representative. Not Frogs from corrupted department.
They have too many Trojans.........
They have too many Trojans.........
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written by Semuaok, October 13, 2010 10:27:58
written by Semuaok, October 13, 2010 10:27:58
RPK for the first time you got more negative vote than me. Now you see how much support you have from PKR (not the Rakyat). PKR has been playing game on you site since day one. All you have to do is right anything "negative" about PKR or it MP. In no time you get 10 or more negative vote.
BN/UMNO/MCA go home. We the Rakyat do not need anymore of your UMNO politic.
BN/UMNO/MCA go home. We the Rakyat do not need anymore of your UMNO politic.
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written by AtanSian, October 13, 2010 10:20:44
written by AtanSian, October 13, 2010 10:20:44
Yes. PKR seems to have too many ex-UMNO and new UNMO wannabes in their ranks.
These people they do not have the vision of serving the people.
They only covet the easy job of being "politicians", and they will buy votes, sell themselves, cheat, do anything just to get elected into office. Their only goal is - when in office make plenty money.
PKR should get rid of these and train new members to share the vision of serving the people honestly and competently.
In the menatime the party like any organisation will go through the throes, mistakes, and lessons of growing. They may emerge stronger or they may self destruct.
Let us not be too quick to judge them harshly, and push them over the cliffs..
Yes we have to point out faults and hope that they have enough good people to want to change, and these good people have enough abilities to effect the changes.
These people they do not have the vision of serving the people.
They only covet the easy job of being "politicians", and they will buy votes, sell themselves, cheat, do anything just to get elected into office. Their only goal is - when in office make plenty money.
PKR should get rid of these and train new members to share the vision of serving the people honestly and competently.
In the menatime the party like any organisation will go through the throes, mistakes, and lessons of growing. They may emerge stronger or they may self destruct.
Let us not be too quick to judge them harshly, and push them over the cliffs..
Yes we have to point out faults and hope that they have enough good people to want to change, and these good people have enough abilities to effect the changes.
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written by onnetline, October 13, 2010 10:05:26
written by onnetline, October 13, 2010 10:05:26
RPK,
You're just being too kind to the UMNO pariahs !
Corrupted and racist BN-UMNO is not likely to look better than any average Malaysian today or tomorrow !
You're just being too kind to the UMNO pariahs !
Corrupted and racist BN-UMNO is not likely to look better than any average Malaysian today or tomorrow !
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written by syd, October 13, 2010 09:45:59
written by syd, October 13, 2010 09:45:59
RPK said -
I think I will go join Gerakan if they promise to revamp the party and change its leaders and leave Barisan Nasional to start life anew as a Third Force for all Malaysians fed up of both Barisan Nasional and Pakatan Rakyat.
My opinion -
Its about time you become a politician instead og being a activist. Activist cannot do anything. But politicians can get away with murder.
And we need someone who can grab the country by the neck and reform the whole godamn system.
I think I will go join Gerakan if they promise to revamp the party and change its leaders and leave Barisan Nasional to start life anew as a Third Force for all Malaysians fed up of both Barisan Nasional and Pakatan Rakyat.
My opinion -
Its about time you become a politician instead og being a activist. Activist cannot do anything. But politicians can get away with murder.
And we need someone who can grab the country by the neck and reform the whole godamn system.
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written by G-old man, October 13, 2010 09:44:13
written by G-old man, October 13, 2010 09:44:13
RPK,
I don't agree with you on this. You see when an erection (election) is coming , a man (umno or bn ) can promise the lady (raayat) heaven . What happen when that erection (election) is over ?
PKR i s like a newly wed . There is bound to be many family problem . If they want to stay together , then they will have to listen to advice and compromise . Just give them sometimes to sort thing out .
Permodalan Negeri Selangor Bhd can spend RM2 million to pay for so called oversea study tours for a RM24 million company in 2006 . Yet as the main share-holder of a company , I have to pay every single cent whenever I take a flight and also no other entitlement . My only entitlement is to pay all sorts of levies and taxes.
RPK, today 13/10/2010 , shall be the last day I will blog on MT as I am applying for PR to spend the rest of my useful life oversea . There is nothing else I can help this once blessed country .
Do take good care
I don't agree with you on this. You see when an erection (election) is coming , a man (umno or bn ) can promise the lady (raayat) heaven . What happen when that erection (election) is over ?
PKR i s like a newly wed . There is bound to be many family problem . If they want to stay together , then they will have to listen to advice and compromise . Just give them sometimes to sort thing out .
Permodalan Negeri Selangor Bhd can spend RM2 million to pay for so called oversea study tours for a RM24 million company in 2006 . Yet as the main share-holder of a company , I have to pay every single cent whenever I take a flight and also no other entitlement . My only entitlement is to pay all sorts of levies and taxes.
RPK, today 13/10/2010 , shall be the last day I will blog on MT as I am applying for PR to spend the rest of my useful life oversea . There is nothing else I can help this once blessed country .
Do take good care
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written by Aizuddin Danian, October 13, 2010 09:28:35
written by Aizuddin Danian, October 13, 2010 09:28:35
BetterMy,
What you said is incredibly sexist and degrading towards Nurul Izzah AND her family.
1. You assume that it's a woman's place to "be there" for her husband and children. That's an atypical male chauvinist position.
2. You assume that her decision to run for deputy president was made without thinking about her family (are you saying she is a bad mother and wife?).
3. You assume that her husband did not approve of her decision (are you her husband?)
4. You assume that age and seniority are pre-qualifiers for leadership. Are you aware that our founding fathers, TAR, et al were hardly in their 30s when they won independence for our country? The adage, "If you're good enough, you're old enough" holds true here. By saying that "seniority" is a pre-requisite than you're no better than those who believe that political patronage is the way to go, the idea that young leaders "should wait in line for their turn".
You, sir, have a lot to learn about women, gender equality, and democracy.
For whatever reasons that Nurul was not successful in her bid for deputy presidency, the end result is very good for her, her hubbie and her very young children Her children need her and father now. She is very young in the context of poltical MPs age and age for PMship. It is a great blessing in disguise for her.
What you said is incredibly sexist and degrading towards Nurul Izzah AND her family.
1. You assume that it's a woman's place to "be there" for her husband and children. That's an atypical male chauvinist position.
2. You assume that her decision to run for deputy president was made without thinking about her family (are you saying she is a bad mother and wife?).
3. You assume that her husband did not approve of her decision (are you her husband?)
4. You assume that age and seniority are pre-qualifiers for leadership. Are you aware that our founding fathers, TAR, et al were hardly in their 30s when they won independence for our country? The adage, "If you're good enough, you're old enough" holds true here. By saying that "seniority" is a pre-requisite than you're no better than those who believe that political patronage is the way to go, the idea that young leaders "should wait in line for their turn".
You, sir, have a lot to learn about women, gender equality, and democracy.
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written by Littlebird, October 13, 2010 09:25:36
written by Littlebird, October 13, 2010 09:25:36
Before we start to speculate, let's deal with:-
1) Who decided Sunday was the closing date?
2) Was the decision communicated before hand to all parties?
3) Did the election/Supreme or whatever committee flouted any party regulations when they decided to disallow Nurul to contest?
4) Will any heads roll for this?
Over to you President and Deputy President. Otherwise I am voting for PERKASA.
1) Who decided Sunday was the closing date?
2) Was the decision communicated before hand to all parties?
3) Did the election/Supreme or whatever committee flouted any party regulations when they decided to disallow Nurul to contest?
4) Will any heads roll for this?
Over to you President and Deputy President. Otherwise I am voting for PERKASA.
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written by Pegasus, October 13, 2010 09:22:16
written by Pegasus, October 13, 2010 09:22:16
PKR, TAKE THIS A LESSON, the public is watching every single step of the way!
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written by onnetline, October 13, 2010 09:21:38
written by onnetline, October 13, 2010 09:21:38
written by Pakyeh, October 13, 2010 08:27:12
Come on RPK. ! Dont talk tru your bumhole.!!!
People might voter for UMNO.!!!
Pakyeh,
Now, what hole would you be talking through .... ?
Why would any right thinking Malaysians want to vote for any dirty or political hypocrites from any party ................ more especially from the ' corrupted cultured ' ARMNO cum Barisan Najis camp ? ?
Come on RPK. ! Dont talk tru your bumhole.!!!
People might voter for UMNO.!!!
Pakyeh,
Now, what hole would you be talking through .... ?
Why would any right thinking Malaysians want to vote for any dirty or political hypocrites from any party ................ more especially from the ' corrupted cultured ' ARMNO cum Barisan Najis camp ? ?
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written by freaque, October 13, 2010 09:10:08
written by freaque, October 13, 2010 09:10:08
come on folks pls wake up....if this is how PKR operates it's internal elections just imagine how they will operate the country if they win the next GE? not so different from UMNO i think. WE need a 3rd force.
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written by batsman, October 13, 2010 08:49:43
written by batsman, October 13, 2010 08:49:43
Spineless in PKR. Scared of young girls oledi?
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written by KELVIN308, October 13, 2010 08:29:33
written by KELVIN308, October 13, 2010 08:29:33
THE ROAD TO PUTRAJAYA BY PAKATAN IS THE FOCUS POINT. UMNO BN IS HOPELESS FOREVER.
PKR PARTY ELECTION SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE ON THE JOURNEY TO PUTRAJAYA. YOUNG PKR DYNAMISM POLITICAL PROCESS IS WELCOME.
I AM NOT A MEMBER OF ANY POLITICAL PARTIES AND MANY ARE SAME TOO BUT WITH STRONG DESIRE TO SEE BEFALL OF UMNO BN.
UMNO BN JUST CAN'T CHANGE AND MAKE COUNTRY BETTER AND CONTINUES TO DESTROY SANCTITY OF OUR INSTITUTION.
REMEMBER ALWAYS HOW UMNO BN MADE THIS COUNTRY ROTTEN TO THE CORE!
PKR PARTY ELECTION SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE ON THE JOURNEY TO PUTRAJAYA. YOUNG PKR DYNAMISM POLITICAL PROCESS IS WELCOME.
I AM NOT A MEMBER OF ANY POLITICAL PARTIES AND MANY ARE SAME TOO BUT WITH STRONG DESIRE TO SEE BEFALL OF UMNO BN.
UMNO BN JUST CAN'T CHANGE AND MAKE COUNTRY BETTER AND CONTINUES TO DESTROY SANCTITY OF OUR INSTITUTION.
REMEMBER ALWAYS HOW UMNO BN MADE THIS COUNTRY ROTTEN TO THE CORE!
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written by Pakyeh, October 13, 2010 08:27:12
written by Pakyeh, October 13, 2010 08:27:12
Come on RPK. ! Dont talk tru your bumhole.!!!
People might voter for UMNO.!!!
There are element of Male Chauvanism and ant Nepotism that brought Nurul down to earth..!!!
That is what happens when you start to fly when you are too young. You annoy many of the old members of PKR.!!!.
Please minta maaf to PKR.!!!
You dont want the rakyat to vote for UMNO do you.???
People might voter for UMNO.!!!
There are element of Male Chauvanism and ant Nepotism that brought Nurul down to earth..!!!
That is what happens when you start to fly when you are too young. You annoy many of the old members of PKR.!!!.
Please minta maaf to PKR.!!!
You dont want the rakyat to vote for UMNO do you.???
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written by Apek, October 13, 2010 07:46:47
written by Apek, October 13, 2010 07:46:47
Dear all,
The concept of direct elections is in line with democratizing the leadership choosing process. It is a great concept. One that differs from the paternalistic and shrouded methods practiced by UMNO/BN. PKR is therefore doing something which is right.
However, PKR must understand that the march to Putrajaya cannot be obtained through mass movements of squabbling people but by strategic coherence delivered through military like discipline and precision of its members. Great social changes have only been successful this way. Compare the success of the black power movement against the squabbling masses of the Palestinian Liberation Front.
Military like discipline and precision can only come about if the rules are set up properly. The failure that we are seeing today is the failure in delivery of that 'direct election' concept. We suggest that PKR go back and rethink the delivery method of this very good concept.
The concept of direct elections is in line with democratizing the leadership choosing process. It is a great concept. One that differs from the paternalistic and shrouded methods practiced by UMNO/BN. PKR is therefore doing something which is right.
However, PKR must understand that the march to Putrajaya cannot be obtained through mass movements of squabbling people but by strategic coherence delivered through military like discipline and precision of its members. Great social changes have only been successful this way. Compare the success of the black power movement against the squabbling masses of the Palestinian Liberation Front.
Military like discipline and precision can only come about if the rules are set up properly. The failure that we are seeing today is the failure in delivery of that 'direct election' concept. We suggest that PKR go back and rethink the delivery method of this very good concept.
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written by Semuaok, October 13, 2010 07:38:20
written by Semuaok, October 13, 2010 07:38:20
RPK,
The topic should be as follow:
Just another name for UMNO.
Solution: Fire all ex BN/UMNO/MCA
Hint: It all begin with Zaid. Be very careful of this man.
The topic should be as follow:
Just another name for UMNO.
Solution: Fire all ex BN/UMNO/MCA
Hint: It all begin with Zaid. Be very careful of this man.
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written by educationist, October 13, 2010 05:54:59
written by educationist, October 13, 2010 05:54:59
No disrespect our dear RPK, but I disagree!
The way I see it , in no way-thus far, is UMNO beginning to look better than PKR.
Yes, PKR is in terrible shape now but it is power struggles and cronyism to control the party elections.Ah! if u are talking about this, yes I agree totally!!
The way I see it , in no way-thus far, is UMNO beginning to look better than PKR.
Yes, PKR is in terrible shape now but it is power struggles and cronyism to control the party elections.Ah! if u are talking about this, yes I agree totally!!
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written by Better My, October 13, 2010 05:54:49
written by Better My, October 13, 2010 05:54:49
For whatever reasons that Nurul was not successful in her bid for deputy presidency, the end result is very good for her, her hubbie and her very young children Her children need her and father now. She is very young in the context of poltical MPs age and age for PMship. It is a great blessing in disguise for her.
She has been doing excellent work recently voicing her reasons of conscience. That would add strength to all PKR/PR leaders out on the hustlings for voters in general electorate and in the malay heartland, without consuming her 12/7, leaving her children in the "lurch for motherly affection. To take that away from her is doing great injustice to her and her family, much as we want her at the top..
The changes that are going on and the prospects of a woman in the forefront of the Malaysia poltics might just be too much for the conservatives hearltand Malay who are more used to subservient roles of muslim woman. Even in developed countries, it took a very long time for the public to accept women at the top despite the open press/air media. For example, in the entire history of Australia poltics, the first female Pm was just elected this year, in controversial circumstances, as we all know now from the wolrd news. Margaret Thatcher was an exception but it has been very male dominated scene in UK too. USA - there is none since the Civil war.
The very tough crisscrossing the nation in canvassing for votes for the alternative government formation by Pakatan demands a very strong energetic man. A lady wont fit into this bill at all, worst with young children on her mind.
Even if she has sufficient nomination, she should turn it down for her own children and family sake. Her time will come when the difficult pioneering hardk work is done to setup alternative government and she comes in later to build it much greater heights.
This is not to say the procedure of nomination should be abused. If things are not done correctly for one reason or another, highly unusual for a seemingly calm, collected and in control head PKR comimittee Cheah lady, then PKR should step up now to improve the orderly conduct of procedures, to avoid criticism, like over-the- top maestro kind.
She has been doing excellent work recently voicing her reasons of conscience. That would add strength to all PKR/PR leaders out on the hustlings for voters in general electorate and in the malay heartland, without consuming her 12/7, leaving her children in the "lurch for motherly affection. To take that away from her is doing great injustice to her and her family, much as we want her at the top..
The changes that are going on and the prospects of a woman in the forefront of the Malaysia poltics might just be too much for the conservatives hearltand Malay who are more used to subservient roles of muslim woman. Even in developed countries, it took a very long time for the public to accept women at the top despite the open press/air media. For example, in the entire history of Australia poltics, the first female Pm was just elected this year, in controversial circumstances, as we all know now from the wolrd news. Margaret Thatcher was an exception but it has been very male dominated scene in UK too. USA - there is none since the Civil war.
The very tough crisscrossing the nation in canvassing for votes for the alternative government formation by Pakatan demands a very strong energetic man. A lady wont fit into this bill at all, worst with young children on her mind.
Even if she has sufficient nomination, she should turn it down for her own children and family sake. Her time will come when the difficult pioneering hardk work is done to setup alternative government and she comes in later to build it much greater heights.
This is not to say the procedure of nomination should be abused. If things are not done correctly for one reason or another, highly unusual for a seemingly calm, collected and in control head PKR comimittee Cheah lady, then PKR should step up now to improve the orderly conduct of procedures, to avoid criticism, like over-the- top maestro kind.
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written by Better My, October 13, 2010 05:20:03
written by Better My, October 13, 2010 05:20:03
You are jumping the gun, aren't you?
It is appropriate to ask the question the rules and whether there is a Sunday dateline and wait for the referee to tell us all.
It is over the top to say these, as a full/partial Pakatan supporter in the past.
"PKR is starting to look like a party of slime-balls and scumbags"
"I suppose we can always just sit back and watch PKR self-destruct."
"It appears like PKR is even dirtier than Umno. Now, even Umno is looking better than PKR."
"I think I will go join Gerakan if they promise to revamp the party "
These are big calls.
If this is spoken as third poltical party member, it would got alot flak from many outside
If this is spoken as a poltical member in Pakatan, your position might be untenable.
Your words hold high significance to many. It is best to use them responsibly in the context of the currrent state of affairs, as it has been in the past.
I see your mind could do with a longie vacation. Your 1 day break is insufficient to restore your calmer self. Take it easy, man.
It is appropriate to ask the question the rules and whether there is a Sunday dateline and wait for the referee to tell us all.
It is over the top to say these, as a full/partial Pakatan supporter in the past.
"PKR is starting to look like a party of slime-balls and scumbags"
"I suppose we can always just sit back and watch PKR self-destruct."
"It appears like PKR is even dirtier than Umno. Now, even Umno is looking better than PKR."
"I think I will go join Gerakan if they promise to revamp the party "
These are big calls.
If this is spoken as third poltical party member, it would got alot flak from many outside
If this is spoken as a poltical member in Pakatan, your position might be untenable.
Your words hold high significance to many. It is best to use them responsibly in the context of the currrent state of affairs, as it has been in the past.
I see your mind could do with a longie vacation. Your 1 day break is insufficient to restore your calmer self. Take it easy, man.
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written by SadMalaysian101, October 13, 2010 04:26:17
written by SadMalaysian101, October 13, 2010 04:26:17
Caught between the devil and the deep blue sea. Expect to see greater numbers migrating 
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written by Ben, October 13, 2010 03:10:07
written by Ben, October 13, 2010 03:10:07
I said it before and I will say it again. The PKR secretary-general and JPP Dr. Molly must be accountable and responsible for all this mistakes and oversights. Please come clean and then learn from your mistakes. Don't keep quiet lest you want all hell to break loose and accusations start flying in from every quarters. Do it now before you lose all credibility and worse create division amongst members. It won't hurt also if DSAI can guide them as they are not ready to manage such a big direct election!
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written by malgal, October 13, 2010 03:08:24
written by malgal, October 13, 2010 03:08:24
looks like it's ripe for Third Force to come in.
if gerakan dares to reform and hit catharsis button, they might salvage some credibility.
if gerakan dares to reform and hit catharsis button, they might salvage some credibility.
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written by psycstudent, October 13, 2010 02:18:50
written by psycstudent, October 13, 2010 02:18:50
Attack them from inside ? Don't talk about 3rd force when you cant even have a strong 2nd force now. 3rd force are the one who will take advantage when the time come and it can be only done by BN component party. MCA is already suggesting that...
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written by arazak, October 13, 2010 02:18:41
written by arazak, October 13, 2010 02:18:41
Hmmmnn, what can you say about Ex-UMNO members in PKR? Depa tukar baju aje, perangai tetap sama kot?
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written by penangite, October 13, 2010 01:57:09
written by penangite, October 13, 2010 01:57:09
RPK, I joined Gerakan after 308. Although the party is already zero seats (zero capital) in Penang. But I join because of history, ideology and track record. I know a lot of people kutuk Gerakan as a lapdog of UMNO. That is why hopefully the youth and younger generation who are coming in will be able to reform the party, but sadly as you know, Teng Hock Nan won the EGM so I guess the outdated and expired shelf-life leaders are still clinging on to power. But leaders come, leaders go..party will stay. Nobody lives forever, they will have to step down, die and turn into ashes one day 
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It is important for the PEOPLE in the party to be united and it ist for umno or and BN party to watch the importance of being united ... focus on what is best for the "rakyat" rather than self -interest.
Applies to all parties; PKR, UMNO, DAP...etc