Faith is very powerful. It can make you believe even in the absence of evidence. It can also make you exterminate old men, women and children. That is how powerful faith can be.
NO HOLDS BARRED
Raja Petra Kamarudin
Black is black. White is white. That’s what the practicalist would say, not that there is such a word as practicalist or one who is practical. But black can be white and white can be black, any sycophant would agree, just as long as it pleases the boss. And that is why many leaders like to surround themselves with sycophants who would readily tell you what you would like to hear rather than what you should be told.
Is this not the basis of the story of the emperor and his clothes? The emperor paraded naked because no one dared tell him he was naked lest he take offence. And anyone who saw the emperor naked would be considered an idiot so better one pretends that one sees the emperor fully clothed than be called an idiot.
Humankind would believe what it has been taught to believe. Education is not always education in the true sense of the word. You may have been taught but this does not mean you have received an education. Even dogs can be taught to do tricks, or any circus animal for that matter. But just because an animal can respond to commands does this mean we now have an educated animal in our midst?
What is humankind if not but just another animal? But humankind has been blessed with a more developed brain although this does not always mean this brain is used to its maximum potential. Brains, just like artificial intelligence such as computers, too can be taught to think the way it is programmed. And the way it thinks would all depend on the programmer.
The religionists talk about man’s ultimate sins such as pride, arrogance, greed, lust, jealousy, and whatnot. The scriptures talk about the agreement struck between God and Satan where God allowed Satan to prove that mankind is weak and susceptible to these sins, the most deadly of all being the sin of pride and arrogance, which was the failing of Satan himself.
And the religionist is the greatest programmer of all. The religionist does not teach us how to think. The religionist teaches us what to believe. And logic and belief are not compatible. You either believe or you do not. And anything other than belief, logic included, is unbelief.
On the one hand we are taught that God made humankind more superior to other animals because of our more powerful brain. But in that same breath we are taught that our thinking power should be limited and not extended to matters of religion. Religion does not require thinking. Religion requires belief. So logic has to be kept out of religion. And the absence of logic is explained by one word, faith.
What is faith? Faith is the belief in the unexplained. Where no explanation is possible then that it is categorised as faith. Faith, in short, is the belief in anything where proof is not forthcoming.
Humankind lives in two worlds. In one world evidence is required. The absence of evidence would mean a total rejection would be in order. Then there is the parallel world that humankind lives in. This parallel world is called the world of faith. And in the world of faith no evidence is required. It is a world that survives on sheer belief.
How do we reconcile these two parallel worlds that we live in? We can’t. One world is based on tangibles. The other world is based on the unproven. But most times we allow both worlds to overlap and function as one. We can no longer separate tangible from faith. And that is when impose our beliefs on others and take faith as fact, which all humankind must subject itself to.
Since the beginning of time, long before even Islam or any of the Religions of the Book, humankind has been imposing its faith on others. It is what they believe even in the absence of evidence. And this belief must also be the belief of others. And those who reject this belief must suffer death because by rejecting this belief they have forfeited their right to live.
This, the religionist would argue, is what God decided. But who amongst us has ever had an audience with God to confirm this? Can anyone come forward to declare that he or she has personally met God and this is what God commanded?
Not one of the seven billion or so members of the human race still walking the face of this earth can lay claim to ever meeting God and that this is what God had commanded. How do we know, therefore, that this is true? We have to believe this is so because this belief is based on faith, not on eyewitness accounts.
It is not that there is no evidence. There is. There were, in fact, even some witnesses. Of course, none of these witnesses are still alive today. All died thousands of years ago. What we have today is hearsay and stories passed down mostly by word of mouth through the ages. This is the evidence that we possess, or rather the faith in that there were people a long time ago who did have this evidence but which is no longer available.
But there was not just one witness. There were many witnesses. And all these witnesses contradict one another. So which evidence do we accept as true and which do we reject as false? Ah, this depends on your programmer, the religionists. They tell you which evidence is true and which is false.
But how do they know? They don’t. They just have faith. And they program you to also share their faith. And your beliefs are based on this. The religionists are virtuous people who would not lie. They are here to save you, to lead you through the right path. They are people of God. They would do no wrong.
Almost two thousand years ago, humankind was told that God had decreed the true faith. And God decreed that all those who did not believe this must be put to death. And over hundreds of years millions were killed because they refused to believe what Rome had decreed you should believe. Finally all the unbelievers were exterminated leaving only the believers alive to walk the face of this earth.
Slightly over 1,000 years later these true believers were declared as unbelievers and England exterminated all those who did not switch over to the true church, the Church of England. An ethnic cleansing that dwarfed even what happened in Bosnia and Iraq swept England and the land was cleansed of unbelievers. Today those of the Roman faith may still not sit on the Throne of England or become its Prime Minister.
This, we are told, is God’s command. But not one who put the unbelievers to the sword ever met God or met someone who had met God. Yet they decided who lives and who dies in the name of God.
Faith is very powerful. It can make you believe even in the absence of evidence. It can also make you exterminate old men, women and children. That is how powerful faith can be.
It took six days for God to create the universe and mother earth, say the scriptures. And on the seventh day God rested. And on the seventh day when God rested humankind created religion and murdered fellow humankind in the name of God. And when humankind demanded evidence the religionists came out with the word called faith. And the religionists told humankind that God commanded we must all have faith or else be killed.
Faith is a dangerous thing. Faith is sometimes another word for pride and arrogance. Is this maybe what Satan and God agreed? Make humankind believe that only his faith is right and all others wrong so that the killing spree can commence?
Hmm…could faith then actually be a creation of Satan, a secret weapon meant to mislead humankind? I sometimes wonder.
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written by Wally, August 21, 2010 21:04:56
written by Wally, August 21, 2010 21:04:56
Pete, can we be quite clear here, please? You were discussing religious faith, yes? You were not just writing about any old application of faith, such as my undying belief that I will always get a better 'caffe latte' at Starbucks than anywhere else! OK, on that premise I will continue, because you have had some very strange responses, some taking a completely different (some may say weird) tack……….
As usual then, you've hit the nail squarely on the head! Also as usual, and therefore probably fully expected by you, many people have started jumping up and down because they think you are attacking their personal religious faith as wrong, stupid and even downright dangerous! So please allow me to throw my half-penny's worth into the "I'm right so you must be wrong" debate.
You see, I believe there's nothing wrong with anyone having religious faith, as long as (1) they have personally gone to the trouble of weighing its worth and are thus prepared to accept that there is inherent weakness in all religious belief including their own, (2) they don't thrust their religious faith down other people's throats, recognising that others may have a completely different perspective on what life, death and the hereafter is all about, and (3) they let others follow their own different faiths without interference (just as long as those others follow all these three rules equally strictly, of course).
The problem for mankind has been that only a handful of people follow all of the above three rules, and it is that very limitation that has perpetuated the religious strife you see in the world today. For example, the failure to follow Rule 1 leads to blind faith being implemented, and the ignorance fostered by that lack of effort is why religious fanaticism is able to rears its ugly head so often and in so many places across the world today.
As for non-implementation of Rule 2, religious leaders are mostly to blame for that, because they all too often preach – regardless of what the Good Books of their respective religions teach to the contrary – that their religion is not only the correct one but that it is infallible, thus others who believe/preach differently are lying to you! Now, that is absolutely destined just to make the blood level rise and hatred flow through the veins. And we all know where that leads to, don't we? Yes, you don't follow Rule 3 but, instead, persecute others who have the temerity to think differently from you! The problem is of course compounded by those same religious leaders bashing anyone hard who dares to question the basis of the faith (so deying the application or Rule 1).
This, regrettably, is the sad story of religious faith in mankind's world of today. And it's been the same for millennia. Now, isn't that just pathetic for creatures such as us that have been blessed with the most superior reasoning power on Planet Earth and maybe even in the whole of the universe as we know it?
If those who have religious faith carry it for a Creator God who they believe has made a fantastic world for them (where they are able to live their lives free from the restrictions of that Creator God other than inevitably expiring at the end of their life cycle), then they should demonstrate their gratitude by showing equal respect to all good people, regardless of whether those others are God-fearing or not and regardless of the actual religious faith those others carry around with them. If a self-termed religious person can't do that, then I will consider I am looking at a dangerous hypocrite who, combined with others of similar ilk, has the power to turn this world of ours into a hell-hole, all supposedly for the love of God!
Today we can see clearly that strong religious faith and religious bigotry go hand-in-hand. And that is proving disastrous for mankind! What we need is more compassion shown to our fellow human beings, not more empty prayers based on blind religious faith. In short, people with deep religious beliefs should live their lives according to the tenets of their faith, not flaunt their religion and use it to intimidate others. That way we would soon see a change for the better in the world.
For those who are not convinced that there is something radically wrong with sticking their religious faith down the throats of those who don't hold the same views, please go check the history books for the past 2000 years!
As usual then, you've hit the nail squarely on the head! Also as usual, and therefore probably fully expected by you, many people have started jumping up and down because they think you are attacking their personal religious faith as wrong, stupid and even downright dangerous! So please allow me to throw my half-penny's worth into the "I'm right so you must be wrong" debate.
You see, I believe there's nothing wrong with anyone having religious faith, as long as (1) they have personally gone to the trouble of weighing its worth and are thus prepared to accept that there is inherent weakness in all religious belief including their own, (2) they don't thrust their religious faith down other people's throats, recognising that others may have a completely different perspective on what life, death and the hereafter is all about, and (3) they let others follow their own different faiths without interference (just as long as those others follow all these three rules equally strictly, of course).
The problem for mankind has been that only a handful of people follow all of the above three rules, and it is that very limitation that has perpetuated the religious strife you see in the world today. For example, the failure to follow Rule 1 leads to blind faith being implemented, and the ignorance fostered by that lack of effort is why religious fanaticism is able to rears its ugly head so often and in so many places across the world today.
As for non-implementation of Rule 2, religious leaders are mostly to blame for that, because they all too often preach – regardless of what the Good Books of their respective religions teach to the contrary – that their religion is not only the correct one but that it is infallible, thus others who believe/preach differently are lying to you! Now, that is absolutely destined just to make the blood level rise and hatred flow through the veins. And we all know where that leads to, don't we? Yes, you don't follow Rule 3 but, instead, persecute others who have the temerity to think differently from you! The problem is of course compounded by those same religious leaders bashing anyone hard who dares to question the basis of the faith (so deying the application or Rule 1).
This, regrettably, is the sad story of religious faith in mankind's world of today. And it's been the same for millennia. Now, isn't that just pathetic for creatures such as us that have been blessed with the most superior reasoning power on Planet Earth and maybe even in the whole of the universe as we know it?
If those who have religious faith carry it for a Creator God who they believe has made a fantastic world for them (where they are able to live their lives free from the restrictions of that Creator God other than inevitably expiring at the end of their life cycle), then they should demonstrate their gratitude by showing equal respect to all good people, regardless of whether those others are God-fearing or not and regardless of the actual religious faith those others carry around with them. If a self-termed religious person can't do that, then I will consider I am looking at a dangerous hypocrite who, combined with others of similar ilk, has the power to turn this world of ours into a hell-hole, all supposedly for the love of God!
Today we can see clearly that strong religious faith and religious bigotry go hand-in-hand. And that is proving disastrous for mankind! What we need is more compassion shown to our fellow human beings, not more empty prayers based on blind religious faith. In short, people with deep religious beliefs should live their lives according to the tenets of their faith, not flaunt their religion and use it to intimidate others. That way we would soon see a change for the better in the world.
For those who are not convinced that there is something radically wrong with sticking their religious faith down the throats of those who don't hold the same views, please go check the history books for the past 2000 years!
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written by batsman, August 21, 2010 09:55:21
written by batsman, August 21, 2010 09:55:21
btw lynn - your argument should please the sarawak loggers since Penan women tend to be quite pretty.
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written by batsman, August 21, 2010 09:50:25
written by batsman, August 21, 2010 09:50:25
Dear lynn - I am baffled too - are you complaining about your problem and blaming God or are you complaining about God and blaming yourself? I might be tempted to blame my parents if I did not inherit any intelligence.
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written by temenggong, August 21, 2010 09:21:11
written by temenggong, August 21, 2010 09:21:11
Like it was posted in an early comment: a religionist is a kind of scoundral quoting from a book; Luke, Mark, Bukhari, etc, and around him there will be more dimwits listening and nodding and repeating those superstitions. Lots of such scoundrals in mosques and churches. I met so many.
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written by temenggong, August 21, 2010 06:04:21
Yes, I can see that. Even from here!
You missed what I was saying. Never mind....
written by temenggong, August 21, 2010 06:04:21
Errr... I am one of them. I have a direct line with God. I talk to Him/her anytime I want! Believe me?
Yes, I can see that. Even from here!
You missed what I was saying. Never mind....
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written by a guest, August 20, 2010 21:19:28
written by a guest, August 20, 2010 21:19:28
Written by temenggong, August 20, 2010 16:57:10
.............. I can tell for sure that there are persons today, even in Malaysia, who have had such experiences, some almost daily.
Errr... I am one of them. I have a direct line with God. I talk to Him/her anytime I want! Believe me?
.............. I can tell for sure that there are persons today, even in Malaysia, who have had such experiences, some almost daily.
Errr... I am one of them. I have a direct line with God. I talk to Him/her anytime I want! Believe me?
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written by Better My, August 20, 2010 20:02:47
written by Better My, August 20, 2010 20:02:47
written by Logger123, August 20, 2010 14:18:36
To Better My, on your question as to why many of strong faith die senselessly.
Good question. Thus the reason for mankind asking this and many questions as why seemingly innocent lives are lost. Seek, and so you will find. "
I wish I can do the Maestro thing in Kamunting after a religious session when he would jump out of his chair and start asking questions with the inman guy get his instant headache after receiving question 2.
Perhaps some Christian or muslim do after church sermon or mosque praying - why so many 100% faith people need to die when they have given all to the church/mosque?
I seek but I dont find. I put 2 & 2 together and find Darwin has more plausible explanation of the orgin and proofs of life in the entire universe. It is so strange and out of whack for religion to explain the things against Darwinisn when the proof of DNA and all the many skulls found and changes dating hundreds of millions years back to modern man are staring in our face. Instead, we have faith in faith healing 2000 years ago and now(mind you , sucking up alot of money from the vulnerable) , plus rising from the dead, sea departing for the exodus, , gods words fiery inscription on the tablets up in the mosses mountain, constant communications between human beings and god in those days but not today.
I have said enough to be permanently stamped "Condemned to hell" by god. I better shut up for my death bed insurance - otherwise, I never able to meet and play balls with the great maestro in the heavenly world, somewhere up there.
I am wondering where this ride is taking us to in thr present context. I guess we have amused the Malay Man, Malaysian Heart, tickle him pink, giggling away like a school boy , back to his baby life in Kuala Kangsar where we have splendour of grass and lallangs, all in the mix together - just as fine & perfect for frolicking on those great days.
To Better My, on your question as to why many of strong faith die senselessly.
Good question. Thus the reason for mankind asking this and many questions as why seemingly innocent lives are lost. Seek, and so you will find. "
I wish I can do the Maestro thing in Kamunting after a religious session when he would jump out of his chair and start asking questions with the inman guy get his instant headache after receiving question 2.
Perhaps some Christian or muslim do after church sermon or mosque praying - why so many 100% faith people need to die when they have given all to the church/mosque?
I seek but I dont find. I put 2 & 2 together and find Darwin has more plausible explanation of the orgin and proofs of life in the entire universe. It is so strange and out of whack for religion to explain the things against Darwinisn when the proof of DNA and all the many skulls found and changes dating hundreds of millions years back to modern man are staring in our face. Instead, we have faith in faith healing 2000 years ago and now(mind you , sucking up alot of money from the vulnerable) , plus rising from the dead, sea departing for the exodus, , gods words fiery inscription on the tablets up in the mosses mountain, constant communications between human beings and god in those days but not today.
I have said enough to be permanently stamped "Condemned to hell" by god. I better shut up for my death bed insurance - otherwise, I never able to meet and play balls with the great maestro in the heavenly world, somewhere up there.
I am wondering where this ride is taking us to in thr present context. I guess we have amused the Malay Man, Malaysian Heart, tickle him pink, giggling away like a school boy , back to his baby life in Kuala Kangsar where we have splendour of grass and lallangs, all in the mix together - just as fine & perfect for frolicking on those great days.
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written by Better My, August 20, 2010 19:34:27
written by Better My, August 20, 2010 19:34:27
written by Malay Ultraman, August 20, 2010 15:16:27
Being a muslim, I believe what had been written in scriptures. Allah had sent down thousands"
All scriptures from Christianity, surely all those from Islam as well, are written by humans, not tested for motives, allegiance, veracity etc, etc.
A point of discussion, not Islam bashing at all, as you say MT is good at a few comments earlier..
Being a muslim, I believe what had been written in scriptures. Allah had sent down thousands"
All scriptures from Christianity, surely all those from Islam as well, are written by humans, not tested for motives, allegiance, veracity etc, etc.
A point of discussion, not Islam bashing at all, as you say MT is good at a few comments earlier..
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written by Better My, August 20, 2010 19:28:59
written by Better My, August 20, 2010 19:28:59
written by lynn, August 20, 2010 17:44:47
The problem with religion is when politicians mix their BS with religion, it becomes disgusting. It's like forcing myself to watch one man sucking another man's dick & not even bothering to wipe his cum-filled lips. "
More graphical than Mothercell can ever produce !
re" I like to share with you..... blah blah, omg, there goes that born-again xtian. "
yes, I agree. there goes again,
Re: well God, if you exist, don't get offended. "
Funny. The way we are going on here in MT, we are condemned to hell till eternity for being bad boys & girls.
The problem with religion is when politicians mix their BS with religion, it becomes disgusting. It's like forcing myself to watch one man sucking another man's dick & not even bothering to wipe his cum-filled lips. "
More graphical than Mothercell can ever produce !
re" I like to share with you..... blah blah, omg, there goes that born-again xtian. "
yes, I agree. there goes again,
Re: well God, if you exist, don't get offended. "
Funny. The way we are going on here in MT, we are condemned to hell till eternity for being bad boys & girls.
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written by Better My, August 20, 2010 19:18:23
written by Better My, August 20, 2010 19:18:23
written by Malay Ultraman, August 20, 2010 15:12:42
Salam and greetings..
Faith is so precious. xxxxxx
By the way , MT has always been a good platform to bash Islam. I never see anybody bash other religions. what a a great job!! I hope you are not advocating Atheism"
No, I disagree with your comment about MT good in bashing Islam only.
I often raise the similar problems or "bashing, as you call it or discussion,as I call it, on christianity when similar islamic issues is brought into the open, just to balance it more. Malay Ultraman, you are behind in MT artilcles, perhaps?
Athesim is worth discussing. To close your mind to it may rob your chances of knowing possible truth out there,more so if faith do all the thnking for you in totality. In MT, there is no peer pressure to follow preset mindset - say what you are are comfortable and honest, like the Reddie guy today - many muslim are lost themselves, just as many christians are too - these are what happening today.
This i Is definitely worth discussing this greatest issue of our time today without fear of god or favour to any religion.
Salam and greetings..
Faith is so precious. xxxxxx
By the way , MT has always been a good platform to bash Islam. I never see anybody bash other religions. what a a great job!! I hope you are not advocating Atheism"
No, I disagree with your comment about MT good in bashing Islam only.
I often raise the similar problems or "bashing, as you call it or discussion,as I call it, on christianity when similar islamic issues is brought into the open, just to balance it more. Malay Ultraman, you are behind in MT artilcles, perhaps?
Athesim is worth discussing. To close your mind to it may rob your chances of knowing possible truth out there,more so if faith do all the thnking for you in totality. In MT, there is no peer pressure to follow preset mindset - say what you are are comfortable and honest, like the Reddie guy today - many muslim are lost themselves, just as many christians are too - these are what happening today.
This i Is definitely worth discussing this greatest issue of our time today without fear of god or favour to any religion.
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written by lynn, August 20, 2010 17:50:57
written by lynn, August 20, 2010 17:50:57
batsman,
It baffles me to no end, that if God existed (oops, exists) and he put an apple tree in the Garden of Eden and told Adam & Eve, that apple is forbidden fruit, ain't God a great Teaser? In conclusion, I think no Christian shld ever eat apples. It is forbidden fruit, said God. Eh, pork is haram to Muslims, right? No Muslims is permitted to eat pork, no Christians shld eat apples.
It baffles me to no end, that if God existed (oops, exists) and he put an apple tree in the Garden of Eden and told Adam & Eve, that apple is forbidden fruit, ain't God a great Teaser? In conclusion, I think no Christian shld ever eat apples. It is forbidden fruit, said God. Eh, pork is haram to Muslims, right? No Muslims is permitted to eat pork, no Christians shld eat apples.
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written by lynn, August 20, 2010 17:44:47
written by lynn, August 20, 2010 17:44:47
The problem with religion is when politicians mix their BS with religion, it becomes disgusting. It's like forcing myself to watch one man sucking another man's dick & not even bothering to wipe his cum-filled lips. Sloppy indeed. One thing is obvious - in Bolehland, religion is The Political Tool more recycled than old newspaper. It works because religion is emotional. People can go beserk with rage if you condemn their religious beliefs.
Personally, I dislike the word 'faith' - confidence is a better word. I hate the word 'share' - I like to share with you..... blah blah, omg, there goes that born-again xtian.
Tomorrow morning I am confident the sun will rise & 6.7billion people in the world will agree with me. And whether you believe it or not, that is the sun, giving us light & vitamin D. No one in the world goes around preaching that people must believe in the sun. They can't preach, because it can be proven. So they preach God's existence which to this day, there is NO CONCRETE EVIDENCE..... well God, if you exist, don't get offended. Put things right. Show us the way.
Personally, I dislike the word 'faith' - confidence is a better word. I hate the word 'share' - I like to share with you..... blah blah, omg, there goes that born-again xtian.
Tomorrow morning I am confident the sun will rise & 6.7billion people in the world will agree with me. And whether you believe it or not, that is the sun, giving us light & vitamin D. No one in the world goes around preaching that people must believe in the sun. They can't preach, because it can be proven. So they preach God's existence which to this day, there is NO CONCRETE EVIDENCE..... well God, if you exist, don't get offended. Put things right. Show us the way.
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written by temenggong, August 20, 2010 16:57:10
written by temenggong, August 20, 2010 16:57:10
When one relies and quotes from a book, he has essentially put aside his mind. He is irrational, a believer in anything.
This article is an honest confession, a realisation of sorts. You have now exited the realm of superstitions, and into the realm of the natural hermeneutic understandings.
We can only see and know an object that is separate and apart from you. God is not an object, separate and apart from you. Therefore He cannot be seen or known.
Since He is not an object, not apart from you, He can be experienced. It is like experiencing taste. Countless persons in the past have experienced Him and have to tried to describe 'the fallout' from the experiences. But mostly it has been inadequate for He cannot be described in words. Like taste. Language is inadequate, hence the confusions.
I can tell for sure that there are persons today, even in Malaysia, who have had such experiences, some almost daily.
This article is an honest confession, a realisation of sorts. You have now exited the realm of superstitions, and into the realm of the natural hermeneutic understandings.
We can only see and know an object that is separate and apart from you. God is not an object, separate and apart from you. Therefore He cannot be seen or known.
Since He is not an object, not apart from you, He can be experienced. It is like experiencing taste. Countless persons in the past have experienced Him and have to tried to describe 'the fallout' from the experiences. But mostly it has been inadequate for He cannot be described in words. Like taste. Language is inadequate, hence the confusions.
I can tell for sure that there are persons today, even in Malaysia, who have had such experiences, some almost daily.
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written by imanj, August 20, 2010 16:41:25
written by imanj, August 20, 2010 16:41:25
To follow Faith alone is to follow blindly...Benjamin Franklin...
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written by Ken Liew, August 20, 2010 15:41:24
written by Ken Liew, August 20, 2010 15:41:24
There is no right and wrong in Malaysia.... Just Rich And Poor.
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written by Malay Ultraman, August 20, 2010 15:16:27
written by Malay Ultraman, August 20, 2010 15:16:27
Correction..
Being a muslim, I believe what had been written in scriptures. Allah had sent down thousands.......
Being a muslim, I believe what had been written in scriptures. Allah had sent down thousands.......
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written by Malay Ultraman, August 20, 2010 15:12:42
written by Malay Ultraman, August 20, 2010 15:12:42
Salam and greetings..
Faith is so precious. Yet, it doesnt carry a price tag. It cant be bought or sold. Even a father cant transfer the same faith to his children. Being a muslim, as what being written in scriptures, Allah had sent down thousands of annointed prophets since Adam pbuh until prophet Muhammad pbuh. When the prophets delivered the the message about "ilah" and the only God, there were sceptics , denials and rejection very much like what we are seeing in MT. These people asking questions like" why cant God send an angel rather than a mere human being? Why cant God descend himself? Why cant we worship whatever we like? Why cant we do whatever we enjoy to do? Why is this.. why is that... .. all kind of intelligent questions.. and very much like we are seeing now.
YH Raja Petra, you are very smart. I believe you have read surah Yassin and read the translation as well.
Then , you can relate your piece of writing to Yassin. See how it works.
May Allah bless you. Insyallah
By the way , MT has always been a good platform to bash Islam. I never see anybody bash other religions. what a a great job!! I hope you are not advocating Atheism.
Faith is so precious. Yet, it doesnt carry a price tag. It cant be bought or sold. Even a father cant transfer the same faith to his children. Being a muslim, as what being written in scriptures, Allah had sent down thousands of annointed prophets since Adam pbuh until prophet Muhammad pbuh. When the prophets delivered the the message about "ilah" and the only God, there were sceptics , denials and rejection very much like what we are seeing in MT. These people asking questions like" why cant God send an angel rather than a mere human being? Why cant God descend himself? Why cant we worship whatever we like? Why cant we do whatever we enjoy to do? Why is this.. why is that... .. all kind of intelligent questions.. and very much like we are seeing now.
YH Raja Petra, you are very smart. I believe you have read surah Yassin and read the translation as well.
Then , you can relate your piece of writing to Yassin. See how it works.
May Allah bless you. Insyallah
By the way , MT has always been a good platform to bash Islam. I never see anybody bash other religions. what a a great job!! I hope you are not advocating Atheism.
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written by Logger123, August 20, 2010 14:18:36
written by Logger123, August 20, 2010 14:18:36
To Better My, on your question as to why many of strong faith die senselessly.
Good question. Thus the reason for mankind asking this and many questions as why seemingly innocent lives are lost.
To answer your question, please read the various ancient texts, inquire from spiritually enlighten souls and you may find the answer. Out of the billions on this planet, very few know the answer; a similar situation to why just only 2% of the world's population are having the most of this planet's wealth.
Seek, and so you will find.
Good question. Thus the reason for mankind asking this and many questions as why seemingly innocent lives are lost.
To answer your question, please read the various ancient texts, inquire from spiritually enlighten souls and you may find the answer. Out of the billions on this planet, very few know the answer; a similar situation to why just only 2% of the world's population are having the most of this planet's wealth.
Seek, and so you will find.
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written by Admiral Tojo, August 20, 2010 13:42:29
written by Admiral Tojo, August 20, 2010 13:42:29
From reading the various comments, I can sympathise with the confusion. Can anyone comprehend that the only faith that matters is having FAITH IN ONESELF? Take a look around you. The computer that you use and write on, the buildings, all the solutions that you have at hand, ARE ALL PRODUCTS OF THOSE WHO HAVE FAITH IN THEMSELVES.They have faith in their thinking, design, creation and so on, until these combine efforts of those who have faith in themselves manifest as the solution at hand.
For too long we have allowed others to determine what faith is until we have lost the ability to have faith in ourselves. You have the only tool that matters, i.e. your brains. If you allow your brain to be shackled by others (most in fancy garb), then you are no better then the sum of them.
It does not take faith for us to be decent human beings. This is preprogramed in us. This logic is preprogramed in us. Then the perpetrators of Religions came to create fear and confusion with the aim to control. Their control were so complete that now humans cannot even know anymore what being decent human beings is all about.
Take back this belief/faith in yourself, implore, reflect, analyse, and do not accept anything that you cannot verify, and hopefully the human race will have a chance. There are plenty of reminders from the past to learn from.
The human species has evolved, for some, whilst most, are still pagans (unsophisticated). For these Pagans, they still wallow in their fear, superstition, dogma, rituals all because they cannot understand their own thought process. Those who have evolved continue in their further contribution for mankind, in creating new solutions for the betterment of mankind.
"Good people, no matter what, will be doing good deeds, whilst bad people will be doing bad deeds. However it takes religions for a good person to be doing bad deeds,"
HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF.
Shalom
For too long we have allowed others to determine what faith is until we have lost the ability to have faith in ourselves. You have the only tool that matters, i.e. your brains. If you allow your brain to be shackled by others (most in fancy garb), then you are no better then the sum of them.
It does not take faith for us to be decent human beings. This is preprogramed in us. This logic is preprogramed in us. Then the perpetrators of Religions came to create fear and confusion with the aim to control. Their control were so complete that now humans cannot even know anymore what being decent human beings is all about.
Take back this belief/faith in yourself, implore, reflect, analyse, and do not accept anything that you cannot verify, and hopefully the human race will have a chance. There are plenty of reminders from the past to learn from.
The human species has evolved, for some, whilst most, are still pagans (unsophisticated). For these Pagans, they still wallow in their fear, superstition, dogma, rituals all because they cannot understand their own thought process. Those who have evolved continue in their further contribution for mankind, in creating new solutions for the betterment of mankind.
"Good people, no matter what, will be doing good deeds, whilst bad people will be doing bad deeds. However it takes religions for a good person to be doing bad deeds,"
HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF.
Shalom
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written by Better My, August 20, 2010 12:15:53
written by Better My, August 20, 2010 12:15:53
written by Logger123, August 20, 2010 11:16:45
Faith, is assuming that you will wake up when you go to sleep.
God is the person you surrender to (like surrender to the caregiver when you were a baby),"
I say you are playing around with words on faith.
In any case, "you surrender to God" - to die en masses, as in the case of the last Asian Tsunami? Just dont make any sense/purpose whatsoever. Why kill so many people of the strongest faith? And the others, with or without faith live? Kind of natural faith killing attrition thing to do by god. Why allow man to kill, like the way Jews were killed in WWII as well or the Arab Muslim killings during the Christian crusader wars, etc ?
Faith, is assuming that you will wake up when you go to sleep.
God is the person you surrender to (like surrender to the caregiver when you were a baby),"
I say you are playing around with words on faith.
In any case, "you surrender to God" - to die en masses, as in the case of the last Asian Tsunami? Just dont make any sense/purpose whatsoever. Why kill so many people of the strongest faith? And the others, with or without faith live? Kind of natural faith killing attrition thing to do by god. Why allow man to kill, like the way Jews were killed in WWII as well or the Arab Muslim killings during the Christian crusader wars, etc ?
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written by Better My, August 20, 2010 11:59:29
written by Better My, August 20, 2010 11:59:29
written by red1, August 20, 2010 10:07:33 @BetterMy ... quite a number of Malay associates i know sheepishly do not beleive in their own religion any more. That is why i find it silly to uphold the apostasy rule against converts when our own born Muslims have little faith in their own God. "
It must be terrible for some Malay to live through a life of irreconciable faith to actual living or living a life of lies to themselves and the revered religion. I feel sorry for the guys that can't be themseleves in this regards. The non-Malays in Malaysia mostly have the freedom to choose, just like most other races in the world in developed countries, and live the life without these complications or forced intrusions on their lives.
Surely religious faith is tested fully with the everday world happneings and those close to homes.
For example, in the last Asia tsunami, Tens (or hundreds) thousands people of strongest faith in their god are killed for no purpose at all. There is absolutely no reasons for such brutal killing of mass ordinary people from different faith. If there is any, these faith and gods are bad indeed. These are the gods we could do without.
On a more personal note, I have come across quite a few fully dedicated 100% christians, cut down in the prime of the lives due to cancer/other diseases , despite ALL the daily 24/7 prayers by pastors and christian friends for the person to heal and live again. At the very same time, you see crooks living till their fullest. God's way to test us all? Give me a break, pls. Episodes end up to become statistical figures that would show the death rate with faith or without one is the same..
In saying things not so nice to faith, when I am 1 minute away from flat line on the heart meter, I might just start to recite my holy prayer for insurance purpose. You might do that too Red1.- for insurance purpose as well. We can all happily live in the new faraway land somehere up there, perhaps we all can have a ball of the time with the Maestro, up close and personal everyday, unlike the present, just looking at his pictures frames only.
It must be terrible for some Malay to live through a life of irreconciable faith to actual living or living a life of lies to themselves and the revered religion. I feel sorry for the guys that can't be themseleves in this regards. The non-Malays in Malaysia mostly have the freedom to choose, just like most other races in the world in developed countries, and live the life without these complications or forced intrusions on their lives.
Surely religious faith is tested fully with the everday world happneings and those close to homes.
For example, in the last Asia tsunami, Tens (or hundreds) thousands people of strongest faith in their god are killed for no purpose at all. There is absolutely no reasons for such brutal killing of mass ordinary people from different faith. If there is any, these faith and gods are bad indeed. These are the gods we could do without.
On a more personal note, I have come across quite a few fully dedicated 100% christians, cut down in the prime of the lives due to cancer/other diseases , despite ALL the daily 24/7 prayers by pastors and christian friends for the person to heal and live again. At the very same time, you see crooks living till their fullest. God's way to test us all? Give me a break, pls. Episodes end up to become statistical figures that would show the death rate with faith or without one is the same..
In saying things not so nice to faith, when I am 1 minute away from flat line on the heart meter, I might just start to recite my holy prayer for insurance purpose. You might do that too Red1.- for insurance purpose as well. We can all happily live in the new faraway land somehere up there, perhaps we all can have a ball of the time with the Maestro, up close and personal everyday, unlike the present, just looking at his pictures frames only.
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written by Devoe, August 20, 2010 11:45:56
written by Devoe, August 20, 2010 11:45:56
One thing, faith is subjective. You believe it or not, you're right.
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written by siewchinteo, August 20, 2010 11:27:00
written by siewchinteo, August 20, 2010 11:27:00
welll....it has been said, absolute faith corrupts just as absolutely as absolute power
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written by Logger123, August 20, 2010 11:16:45
written by Logger123, August 20, 2010 11:16:45
My ten sen worth:
Faith, is assuming that you will wake up when you go to sleep.
Organized crime is a business syndicate that is against the law, like prostitution, drugs and gambling.
Religion, is an organized mind control syndicate to stop people from thinking and to just be obedient so that the syndicate leaders get to do what they want.
God is the person you surrender to (like surrender to the caregiver when you were a baby), irrespective of whom the mind control syndicates say that you can surrender to. The mind control syndicates say that you must surrender/submit to the ulamak, the priests, the clergy and they will tell you about god. But can they take you to God? Can they setup a meeting with you and God? Will you get your desires fulfilled or suppressed by these mind control syndicates? Do they know where God is and what God looks like actually?
So have faith instead. Keep it simple. Just assume you will wake up the next morning and just do your thing. Remember its personal. Just between you and God.
Faith, is assuming that you will wake up when you go to sleep.
Organized crime is a business syndicate that is against the law, like prostitution, drugs and gambling.
Religion, is an organized mind control syndicate to stop people from thinking and to just be obedient so that the syndicate leaders get to do what they want.
God is the person you surrender to (like surrender to the caregiver when you were a baby), irrespective of whom the mind control syndicates say that you can surrender to. The mind control syndicates say that you must surrender/submit to the ulamak, the priests, the clergy and they will tell you about god. But can they take you to God? Can they setup a meeting with you and God? Will you get your desires fulfilled or suppressed by these mind control syndicates? Do they know where God is and what God looks like actually?
So have faith instead. Keep it simple. Just assume you will wake up the next morning and just do your thing. Remember its personal. Just between you and God.
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written by red1, August 20, 2010 10:07:33
written by red1, August 20, 2010 10:07:33
@BetterMy ... quite a number of Malay associates i know sheepishly do not beleive in their own religion any more. That is why i find it silly to uphold the apostasy rule against converts when our own born Muslims have little faith in their own God. There are those do not fast in this month of Ramadhan. They know all the tricks. They know where to hide. They know how to fornicate without Jakim coming onto them. They got money to go to a neighboring country to shit.
Many of my Muslim (born) friends do not even know the tenets of Tauhid. I just have to ask them one simple question, "How do you know God exist?" and they give me the laymen answers. Their faith has become weak. It is a matter of time before more shit comes out from the ground. Already we get flavours of the month. This month is 'throwing of babies". Last month was "sleeping with the enemy's enemy". Next month may be 'enrich thyself".
Many of my Muslim (born) friends do not even know the tenets of Tauhid. I just have to ask them one simple question, "How do you know God exist?" and they give me the laymen answers. Their faith has become weak. It is a matter of time before more shit comes out from the ground. Already we get flavours of the month. This month is 'throwing of babies". Last month was "sleeping with the enemy's enemy". Next month may be 'enrich thyself".
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written by red1, August 20, 2010 09:57:15
written by red1, August 20, 2010 09:57:15
I may not know enough about God, but i do know enough Satans here on Earth. They are those who speak in tongues and fornicate like animals. They know no shame and care no blame. They took what they desire and just leave others to expire. They trust no one not even God. That is what makes me a believer in the Quran for in it is recited, "On that day, only Allah is King of kings and shall judge them for every atom of deed, where no one can intercede on their behalf, but what their own hands did". I do not believe that bearing the name Muslim will save you. It is deeds. All your deeds. Remember this on your death bed, "Every self shall taste death".
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written by Aria, August 20, 2010 09:32:58
written by Aria, August 20, 2010 09:32:58
One thing I know for a fact is that religion and governance of a country does not mix. There is no religion in this world that can be used is governance because religion believes too much faith and no much common sense. I believe that religion should be kept personal and not forced onto anyone. For example a Muslim should not be forced to fast if he/she does not want to or a Malay girl be forced to wear a head scarf. This applies to any religion.
People like Ibrahim Ali who are trying to bring in religion into politics must be dealt with severely. UMNO does not have the guts to say nonsensical stuff so they get a moron like Ibrahim Ali to say it for them. Believe me there are a lot of morons in Malaysia who are agreeing whole heartedly with Ibrahim Ali. Even educated people can be morons. The question now is in order for Malaysia to remove BN from power it must have more sensible people than morons. Does it!
People like Ibrahim Ali who are trying to bring in religion into politics must be dealt with severely. UMNO does not have the guts to say nonsensical stuff so they get a moron like Ibrahim Ali to say it for them. Believe me there are a lot of morons in Malaysia who are agreeing whole heartedly with Ibrahim Ali. Even educated people can be morons. The question now is in order for Malaysia to remove BN from power it must have more sensible people than morons. Does it!
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written by earthman, August 20, 2010 07:54:01
written by earthman, August 20, 2010 07:54:01
Faith is not created by Satan, but man created Satan. Some created God but some created Satan by their faith. If we are gods what would we like to do? That is how we perceived the world by our faith. If we believed this is good and that is wrong, that is our faith. So faith is what you want to do with your life on earth. They who do evil and kill believes what they do. That is their faith.
We will be judge by what we do and not by our faith in a certain religion. Religion is just a piece of paper. But faith is in our hearts. For Jesus said,' Out of the abundance in our hearts we speak', and do.
We will be judge by what we do and not by our faith in a certain religion. Religion is just a piece of paper. But faith is in our hearts. For Jesus said,' Out of the abundance in our hearts we speak', and do.
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written by Better My, August 20, 2010 06:27:39
written by Better My, August 20, 2010 06:27:39
I would love to hear the Malay side of the opinions on faith and god, if they are given the FULL freedom of expression withoutreligion bearing down on them like a tonnne of bricks if their opions are not conforming to standard faith thinking from an very early age, just like most other non-Malays have that right of opinion.
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written by Better My, August 20, 2010 06:18:52
written by Better My, August 20, 2010 06:18:52
written by imanj,
My question to The Almighty ...Did HE want his beautiful World created only to see it fall apart ?.. "
If god or faith exist, it has failed with the terrible bilions loss of lives under the name of faith and religion since 200 years ago, in return for peace of minds/salvation preception (or actual?) to the sick, the poor, lost, marginalised and dying.
The question assuming The Almighty existence is too presumptious today but no offence is taken.
Everyone and country has the right to their beliefs but the beliefs shoud be less intrusive onto the daily lives of rakyat. The worst part is of the use of faith, such as sob FOC, to divide and rule when he himself is so full of contrary to the faith, biggest pretenders for his own gains.
My question to The Almighty ...Did HE want his beautiful World created only to see it fall apart ?.. "
If god or faith exist, it has failed with the terrible bilions loss of lives under the name of faith and religion since 200 years ago, in return for peace of minds/salvation preception (or actual?) to the sick, the poor, lost, marginalised and dying.
The question assuming The Almighty existence is too presumptious today but no offence is taken.
Everyone and country has the right to their beliefs but the beliefs shoud be less intrusive onto the daily lives of rakyat. The worst part is of the use of faith, such as sob FOC, to divide and rule when he himself is so full of contrary to the faith, biggest pretenders for his own gains.
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written by doggone, August 20, 2010 05:00:17
written by doggone, August 20, 2010 05:00:17
Maybe God and Satan were brothers. Maybe one day long ago they decided to invent a new game for their amusement so they created Mankind. They decided that the game will span a million years and the winner get to reign over the universe.
God will represents all that is virtuous and good. He exemplifies compassion and selflessness. He extols the disposition of humility and industrious perseverance and detest egoism and laziness. Those who chooses to follow his path will encounter difficulties and sufferings, but the rewards is a place of bliss in heaven.
Satan of course symbolizes all that is evil and bad. He represents selfishness, egoism and jealousy. He rewards laziness without hard work. All one needed to do was to wait for your neighbor to rake, plant and harvest and then steal all that he toiled for. He encourage you to cheat, bully and kill to get to the top. Once there, all the riches is yours for the taking. He guarantees that shockalingam feeling by just living and threading the satanic path. Of course you go to hell after you die, but who gives a shit. No living being have produced indisputable proof that they have met God or Satan for that matter so how can there be heaven or hell?
Upon reflection of times long before the dawn of the new millennium, Satan seems to have garnered more voters than his sibling, God. But then, the game has not ended yet.
The straight path is still the right path if you're 40-60 about the eventuality of getting one of Satan's horn up your ass while he barbeque your nuts for supper. But then again, how could God allow a single person in the likes of Hilter, Idi Amin and Apanama to wreck havoc on a nation of millions and drag its citizenry to the pits of hellish ruin and not lift a finger? Did he finally succumb to his weakness or did he throw in the towels before the 12th round?
God will represents all that is virtuous and good. He exemplifies compassion and selflessness. He extols the disposition of humility and industrious perseverance and detest egoism and laziness. Those who chooses to follow his path will encounter difficulties and sufferings, but the rewards is a place of bliss in heaven.
Satan of course symbolizes all that is evil and bad. He represents selfishness, egoism and jealousy. He rewards laziness without hard work. All one needed to do was to wait for your neighbor to rake, plant and harvest and then steal all that he toiled for. He encourage you to cheat, bully and kill to get to the top. Once there, all the riches is yours for the taking. He guarantees that shockalingam feeling by just living and threading the satanic path. Of course you go to hell after you die, but who gives a shit. No living being have produced indisputable proof that they have met God or Satan for that matter so how can there be heaven or hell?
Upon reflection of times long before the dawn of the new millennium, Satan seems to have garnered more voters than his sibling, God. But then, the game has not ended yet.
The straight path is still the right path if you're 40-60 about the eventuality of getting one of Satan's horn up your ass while he barbeque your nuts for supper. But then again, how could God allow a single person in the likes of Hilter, Idi Amin and Apanama to wreck havoc on a nation of millions and drag its citizenry to the pits of hellish ruin and not lift a finger? Did he finally succumb to his weakness or did he throw in the towels before the 12th round?
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written by franco, August 20, 2010 03:33:56
written by franco, August 20, 2010 03:33:56
Allah created mankind with faith and this faith shall be nothing except the believe of existence of Allah AND there is only ONE Allah. But how do we know that Allah existed and only ONE? Al Quran told us so. But how this Al Quran came into existence? It came into existence through Muhammad (pbuh).
So you'd first to believe that Muhammad (pbuh) is the Messenger of Allah. If you do not believe that Muhammad is the Messenger whom Al Quran been brought through then you shall not have any proof of the existence of Allah and your FAITH is shattered. If your FAITH is shattered then you shall not believe what ever the Al Quran said. So you shall be living in this world dependence purely on the small brain that you have which is very limited.
Human brain does not work alone. It works hand in hand with lust or desire.
The desire is created as such that it is limitless so that mankind would continue living or has the urge to live. The desire of mankind that make the world spin or rather makeup this life. But due its limitless nature the desire needs a control mechanism so that it shall not burst the limit. The limit spelled out in the Al Quran. So to control the limit of the desire a mechanism known as FAITH need to be in place then only you would be able to see the limit. But the same time Satan is created to cooperate with and fuel up the desire. Satan's role is to eliminate FAITH through desire.
FAITH has its various strength. The stronger the strength of FAITH, the better would be the control of the desire into its defined limit by the AlQuran. Hence the Satan would be automatically beaten.
Why Satan is created is another very long discussion but in short it is a challenge that make up the life of mankind in this world.
So you'd first to believe that Muhammad (pbuh) is the Messenger of Allah. If you do not believe that Muhammad is the Messenger whom Al Quran been brought through then you shall not have any proof of the existence of Allah and your FAITH is shattered. If your FAITH is shattered then you shall not believe what ever the Al Quran said. So you shall be living in this world dependence purely on the small brain that you have which is very limited.
Human brain does not work alone. It works hand in hand with lust or desire.
The desire is created as such that it is limitless so that mankind would continue living or has the urge to live. The desire of mankind that make the world spin or rather makeup this life. But due its limitless nature the desire needs a control mechanism so that it shall not burst the limit. The limit spelled out in the Al Quran. So to control the limit of the desire a mechanism known as FAITH need to be in place then only you would be able to see the limit. But the same time Satan is created to cooperate with and fuel up the desire. Satan's role is to eliminate FAITH through desire.
FAITH has its various strength. The stronger the strength of FAITH, the better would be the control of the desire into its defined limit by the AlQuran. Hence the Satan would be automatically beaten.
Why Satan is created is another very long discussion but in short it is a challenge that make up the life of mankind in this world.
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written by penangite, August 20, 2010 02:25:24
written by penangite, August 20, 2010 02:25:24
Dawkins writes that The God Delusion contains four "consciousness-raising" messages:
Atheists can be happy, balanced, moral, and intellectually fulfilled.
Natural selection and similar scientific theories are superior to a "God hypothesis"—the illusion of intelligent design—in explaining the living world and the cosmos.
Children should not be labelled by their parents' religion. Terms like "Catholic child" or "Muslim child" should make people cringe.
Atheists should be proud, not apologetic, because atheism is evidence of a healthy, independent mind.
Atheists can be happy, balanced, moral, and intellectually fulfilled.
Natural selection and similar scientific theories are superior to a "God hypothesis"—the illusion of intelligent design—in explaining the living world and the cosmos.
Children should not be labelled by their parents' religion. Terms like "Catholic child" or "Muslim child" should make people cringe.
Atheists should be proud, not apologetic, because atheism is evidence of a healthy, independent mind.
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written by Hakim Joe, August 20, 2010 02:18:59
written by Hakim Joe, August 20, 2010 02:18:59
People....you do not need to use God or Religion as an example here.
Just how many of you people explicitly trust what RPK tells you as compared to myself?
Just how many of you people explicitly trust what RPK tells you as compared to myself?
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written by Fart Fart Wah, August 20, 2010 01:03:25
written by Fart Fart Wah, August 20, 2010 01:03:25
The greatest mistake was the formation of the Institution of religion. Now Jews have made him a Jew God...Muslims have made Allah a confirmed Muslim for themselves..Christians have made him a Christian God...and it goes on...with all the other minor religions too...I know only one thing ...today..he is not a Muslim nor a Christian nor any other religion..he is apart from any single religion...we cannot box Allah or pigeon hole him.. ..
And I do not think he is politically aligned to any party either...so, we shall wait...maybe a teh tarik with him on one of these days after kicking the bucket here may reveal the truth as to who this Allah or God is...until then RPK..your theory will remain a theory and will not hold any water yet..
..or maybe we may never get the chance to do it looking at the way we are conducting ourselves here..
...just turns us to pebble stones for him to walk on...bloody pests...hey that is his prerogative isn't it??? And until then RPk your theory about Satan remains a theory until then...who knows ..the devil himself maybe playing God...
And I do not think he is politically aligned to any party either...so, we shall wait...maybe a teh tarik with him on one of these days after kicking the bucket here may reveal the truth as to who this Allah or God is...until then RPK..your theory will remain a theory and will not hold any water yet..
..or maybe we may never get the chance to do it looking at the way we are conducting ourselves here..
...just turns us to pebble stones for him to walk on...bloody pests...hey that is his prerogative isn't it??? And until then RPk your theory about Satan remains a theory until then...who knows ..the devil himself maybe playing God...
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written by Yen.CK, August 20, 2010 00:25:19
written by Yen.CK, August 20, 2010 00:25:19
A great piece that reminds me of "Chariots of the Gods?".
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written by myhhlim, August 20, 2010 00:22:43
written by myhhlim, August 20, 2010 00:22:43
excellent article RPK.
Looks like you are got it right. The holy books are so unique that none of it had ever mentioned dinasours and about cars. The reason is very simple. because the author did not have a clue about dinasours. GET IT? how can these books be inspired by god. Surely he would have known about dinasaurs
Other questions is if ADAM is white while do we have negros and yellow skin. Ah ! Ah ! must be the ability to change i.e. evolution but still religionist reject the theory of evolution. Oop you are right we should asked to many questions otherwise, we will be called atheists.
Looks like you are got it right. The holy books are so unique that none of it had ever mentioned dinasours and about cars. The reason is very simple. because the author did not have a clue about dinasours. GET IT? how can these books be inspired by god. Surely he would have known about dinasaurs
Other questions is if ADAM is white while do we have negros and yellow skin. Ah ! Ah ! must be the ability to change i.e. evolution but still religionist reject the theory of evolution. Oop you are right we should asked to many questions otherwise, we will be called atheists.
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written by albert zacharias, August 20, 2010 00:19:27
written by albert zacharias, August 20, 2010 00:19:27
Faith is believing in what is true. Faith has two elements: 1) being convinced of the truth, being certain of reality, having evidence of unseen things, and 2) believing, hoping in, embracing, seizing the truth.
It is knowing without questioning that tomorrow the sun will rise and there will be no castastrophe suddenly enveloping us lah!!!!
That is not blind faith but faith with understanding the truth using our god given faculties ie. brain, mind, eyes, ears and the rest....
It is knowing without questioning that tomorrow the sun will rise and there will be no castastrophe suddenly enveloping us lah!!!!
That is not blind faith but faith with understanding the truth using our god given faculties ie. brain, mind, eyes, ears and the rest....
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written by Semuaok, August 19, 2010 23:52:43
written by Semuaok, August 19, 2010 23:52:43
Faith is a belief with strong conviction, something that you can't explain or have an answer why, but expect other to understand, trust and follow you.
Example
1) God:- hasn't say a single word yet we trust everything God said???
2) God:- has divine power but need your prayer and help/especially money.???
3) God:- always love you but will also kill you. (Sound like G. Bush: are you with me or with them/enemy)
Example
1) God:- hasn't say a single word yet we trust everything God said???
2) God:- has divine power but need your prayer and help/especially money.???
3) God:- always love you but will also kill you. (Sound like G. Bush: are you with me or with them/enemy)
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written by novrising, August 19, 2010 23:49:38
written by novrising, August 19, 2010 23:49:38
YM RPK, thank you for the article.
The best thing of the article is, for me that is, all the quetions that you had put forward.
At least there are questions, which may lead to answers but in the form of more questions.
By questioning, perhaps, my perception of right or wrong can be more defined, ONLY for me. My wrong and my right.
Peace,
NovRising
The best thing of the article is, for me that is, all the quetions that you had put forward.
At least there are questions, which may lead to answers but in the form of more questions.
By questioning, perhaps, my perception of right or wrong can be more defined, ONLY for me. My wrong and my right.
Peace,
NovRising
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written by Atheist, August 19, 2010 23:45:16
written by Atheist, August 19, 2010 23:45:16
In the Anwar case ...... Is there believe in logic ...nope ... there is believe in believe only.
Is there logic in the the believe ..... yes .... evidence must found and/or fabricated to comply with the logic of the believe.
logic is a subset of believes but in Malaysia .... believes are 'evidence' that can 'over rule' logic. Does this come from Islam which says that 3 good character witnesses can condemn a woman for life ....?????would this article be relevant if Malaysia was a Christian state
Is there logic in the the believe ..... yes .... evidence must found and/or fabricated to comply with the logic of the believe.
logic is a subset of believes but in Malaysia .... believes are 'evidence' that can 'over rule' logic. Does this come from Islam which says that 3 good character witnesses can condemn a woman for life ....?????would this article be relevant if Malaysia was a Christian state
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written by Davy McChester, August 19, 2010 23:24:13
written by Davy McChester, August 19, 2010 23:24:13
It is all about control and what better way than through the craftily crafted word called "faith". And the saying "every second there is a sucker born' true forever. Faith is exploitative,a powerful weapon of the religionist, effectively used on those willing to give up their freedom and be part of a mob that is willing to kill another human being in the name of "their" god. They feel extremely good after having slaughtered ......faith in action . Faith is the best killing machine invented by people more inclined to tyranny and love control over the masses.
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written by Jeevan, August 19, 2010 22:54:34
written by Jeevan, August 19, 2010 22:54:34
Infidel: A person who does not accept a particular faith.
Nah... I prefer the way the Devil defines it......
Infidel as defined by the Devil's Dictionary
INFIDEL, n. In New York, one who does not believe in the Christian religion; in Constantinople, one who does. A kind of scoundrel imperfectly reverent of, and niggardly contributory to, divines, ecclesiastics, popes, parsons, canons, monks, mollahs, voodoos, presbyters, hierophants, prelates, obeah-men, abbes, nuns, missionaries, exhorters, deacons, friars, hadjis, high-priests, muezzins, brahmins, medicine-men, confessors, eminences, elders, primates, prebendaries, pilgrims, prophets, imaums, beneficiaries, clerks, vicars-choral, archbishops, bishops, abbots, priors, preachers, padres, abbotesses, caloyers, palmers, curates, patriarchs, bonezs, santons, beadsmen, canonesses, residentiaries, diocesans, deans, subdeans, rural deans, abdals, charm-sellers, archdeacons, hierarchs, class-leaders, incumbents, capitulars, sheiks, talapoins, postulants, scribes, gooroos, precentors, beadles, fakeers, sextons, reverences, revivalists, cenobites, perpetual curates, chaplains, mudjoes, readers, novices, vicars, pastors, rabbis, ulemas, lamas, sacristans, vergers, dervises, lectors, church wardens, cardinals, prioresses, suffragans, acolytes, rectors, cures, sophis, mutifs and pumpums.
Nah... I prefer the way the Devil defines it......
Infidel as defined by the Devil's Dictionary
INFIDEL, n. In New York, one who does not believe in the Christian religion; in Constantinople, one who does. A kind of scoundrel imperfectly reverent of, and niggardly contributory to, divines, ecclesiastics, popes, parsons, canons, monks, mollahs, voodoos, presbyters, hierophants, prelates, obeah-men, abbes, nuns, missionaries, exhorters, deacons, friars, hadjis, high-priests, muezzins, brahmins, medicine-men, confessors, eminences, elders, primates, prebendaries, pilgrims, prophets, imaums, beneficiaries, clerks, vicars-choral, archbishops, bishops, abbots, priors, preachers, padres, abbotesses, caloyers, palmers, curates, patriarchs, bonezs, santons, beadsmen, canonesses, residentiaries, diocesans, deans, subdeans, rural deans, abdals, charm-sellers, archdeacons, hierarchs, class-leaders, incumbents, capitulars, sheiks, talapoins, postulants, scribes, gooroos, precentors, beadles, fakeers, sextons, reverences, revivalists, cenobites, perpetual curates, chaplains, mudjoes, readers, novices, vicars, pastors, rabbis, ulemas, lamas, sacristans, vergers, dervises, lectors, church wardens, cardinals, prioresses, suffragans, acolytes, rectors, cures, sophis, mutifs and pumpums.
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written by a guest, August 19, 2010 21:52:23
written by a guest, August 19, 2010 21:52:23
One of your better pieces, cetainly.
Some people like to pit science against religion. Please, science and religion are not mutually exclusive.
Some people like to pit science against religion. Please, science and religion are not mutually exclusive.
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written by hellosunshine, August 19, 2010 21:39:59
written by hellosunshine, August 19, 2010 21:39:59
Unto you your religion/faith and unto me, mine but you must totally respect mine while I couldn't care less about yours. If you disrespect mine, I'll behead you or blow us up to kingdom come
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written by imanj, August 19, 2010 21:34:40
written by imanj, August 19, 2010 21:34:40
Dear Raja petra Kamaruddin...Thank you so much for this article and I will toast to it. At the end of this article in your last paragraph is what I have always spoken of...! This is Satan's World and really one would think that even before mankind had a chance,it took the most beautiful angel with arogrance and an a friut being the apple to destroy it hence the sins of the world began..
My question to The Almighty ...Did HE want his beautiful World created only to see it fall apart ?..
Also I do wonder if you have an audience that would understand what you have written...
My question to The Almighty ...Did HE want his beautiful World created only to see it fall apart ?..
Also I do wonder if you have an audience that would understand what you have written...
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written by Better My, August 19, 2010 21:29:41
written by Better My, August 19, 2010 21:29:41
Hey Bats Guy,
written by batsman, August 19, 2010 20:53:49
Can man's world really function without faith? (Possible, possibilityof a better unified coommon ethics world eg you dont kill others, you dont rob others.etc. then there wont be "religious "divide and rule tactics)
Don't you think that faith needs to be examined more closely? (Not reconciliable- no point to examine. the young ones might not be bought so easily, , though many are bought over today by the rock type christian music in Christianity,if they are free to chosse for themselves, I feel, in an open society.)
There are many types of faith and many ways in which it is used or abused - often just to get things working even in the scientific world. Am i right or am i right?
(On the surface, the abuses and the good thigns from faith just about cancel each each other out. However, I suspect, if you examine it closer, it has done ALOT MORE damage than good. But the comfort it brings to many faithful dying on death beds and the faith of going to a better world unafraid of death, is SIMPLY PRICELESS to those who believe - that must never be denied to any dying marginalised forgotten rakyat - their only saving grace in the many sad scenes of the old folks residences in the countryside (& cities) today.
written by batsman, August 19, 2010 20:53:49
Can man's world really function without faith? (Possible, possibilityof a better unified coommon ethics world eg you dont kill others, you dont rob others.etc. then there wont be "religious "divide and rule tactics)
Don't you think that faith needs to be examined more closely? (Not reconciliable- no point to examine. the young ones might not be bought so easily, , though many are bought over today by the rock type christian music in Christianity,if they are free to chosse for themselves, I feel, in an open society.)
There are many types of faith and many ways in which it is used or abused - often just to get things working even in the scientific world. Am i right or am i right?
(On the surface, the abuses and the good thigns from faith just about cancel each each other out. However, I suspect, if you examine it closer, it has done ALOT MORE damage than good. But the comfort it brings to many faithful dying on death beds and the faith of going to a better world unafraid of death, is SIMPLY PRICELESS to those who believe - that must never be denied to any dying marginalised forgotten rakyat - their only saving grace in the many sad scenes of the old folks residences in the countryside (& cities) today.
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written by batsman, August 19, 2010 21:29:24
written by batsman, August 19, 2010 21:29:24
Human beings cannot function without faith. It is in the nature of man. Even the child when growing up must have faith in its parents. When this faith is destroyed the child grows up to be a serial killer, murderer and rapist -aka BN politicians heeheehee
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written by cheekhiaw, August 19, 2010 21:21:24
written by cheekhiaw, August 19, 2010 21:21:24
The gods gave you a brain so that you can operate based on faith? As Einstein said, just a spine would suffice...
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written by Better My, August 19, 2010 21:04:05
written by Better My, August 19, 2010 21:04:05
Now you going into the hearts of faith discussion that open a whole pandora box of endless points, thorugh the whole nite, being brought up, more often of opposite points from those with faith and those faithless, with eachparty not listenign to the other party, the whole nite.
Many friendships and families are destroyed, even countries, abeit a more subtle way. Tables are banged hard, loss of appetite over dinner during fatith discussion, no sex tonite - u sleep on the couch, and the continuing hidden urge to throw some fists over dinner table. Faith discussion is just as passionate as Western democracy and China communist where you gut some(many?) chinese get literally red all over for any attacks on their communalistic ancestor homelands.
I once had the pleasure of arguing (no, discussing) about faith with a staunched knowldgeable christian cell group leader, a very smart learned logical person by all accounts but when it comes to christian faith and faith healing , all logic is thrown out of the window. I feel that is no way you argue on faith with complete opposite ends of the specturm but you CAN argue the facts on the miracles of christian faith healing, remnants of the christian faith, still so widely used today to get more members. The facts and figures, easily extracted from logic, line by line expression, dont support faith healing.
If you have the argument like all christian do, along this line in faith healing:
If the person with faith lives, it is gods miracle, if the same person dies, it is gods will, they never lose! Then any logical facts and figures discussion is not possible.
I see a 100 replies to your thread coming up. At least they will be up in arms to my stirring here or they just pray for my redemption. either way, is fine.
Dust to dust to me.
What is your point, really in the present context, maestro? I wonder.
Many friendships and families are destroyed, even countries, abeit a more subtle way. Tables are banged hard, loss of appetite over dinner during fatith discussion, no sex tonite - u sleep on the couch, and the continuing hidden urge to throw some fists over dinner table. Faith discussion is just as passionate as Western democracy and China communist where you gut some(many?) chinese get literally red all over for any attacks on their communalistic ancestor homelands.
I once had the pleasure of arguing (no, discussing) about faith with a staunched knowldgeable christian cell group leader, a very smart learned logical person by all accounts but when it comes to christian faith and faith healing , all logic is thrown out of the window. I feel that is no way you argue on faith with complete opposite ends of the specturm but you CAN argue the facts on the miracles of christian faith healing, remnants of the christian faith, still so widely used today to get more members. The facts and figures, easily extracted from logic, line by line expression, dont support faith healing.
If you have the argument like all christian do, along this line in faith healing:
If the person with faith lives, it is gods miracle, if the same person dies, it is gods will, they never lose! Then any logical facts and figures discussion is not possible.
I see a 100 replies to your thread coming up. At least they will be up in arms to my stirring here or they just pray for my redemption. either way, is fine.
Dust to dust to me.
What is your point, really in the present context, maestro? I wonder.
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written by batsman, August 19, 2010 20:53:49
written by batsman, August 19, 2010 20:53:49
Think about it - with such poverty of knowledge, how can anything be certain? Can man's world really function without faith? Don't you think that faith needs to be examined more closely? There are many types of faith and many ways in which it is used or abused - often just to get things working even in the scientific world. Am i right or am i right?
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written by Al ambia, August 19, 2010 20:48:16
written by Al ambia, August 19, 2010 20:48:16
In Bolehland,Rule No 1-The boss is always right.Rule No2 if the boss is wrong,refer to Rule No1
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written by Admiral Tojo, August 19, 2010 20:46:58
written by Admiral Tojo, August 19, 2010 20:46:58
Alimin - Those who reflect, analyse, implore and do not eccept anything that they cannot verify (Quran).
The above describes what a learned person is. It sure does not describe that Harunbloodysainy of Perak. He is Satan personified. I do not say this but the Quran describes him as one, a true IBLIS. In Malaysia, there are many of these IBLISes (the wretched ones) running around. That confused school head in Kulai is another. Then there are IBLISes running around the Parliament, Public offices and so on, all because people like Harunbloodysainy has taken over their minds. I can see them clearly everyday, wallowing in their confusion and fear, THE FEAR OF KNOWLEDGE. The Quran advises me to think, not outside the box, but think WITHOUT A BOX. Destroy those boxes that your Rabbiis, Mullahs, Priests and those who claim they represent God have put you in and hopefully you can see the glorious and wonderful world that has been entrusted onto us to look after. In the different colours and languages of the people of the World lies the signs of greatness of God (Quran).
Oh by the way, there is no Oh Melayu in Quran. Ponder!
Shalom
The above describes what a learned person is. It sure does not describe that Harunbloodysainy of Perak. He is Satan personified. I do not say this but the Quran describes him as one, a true IBLIS. In Malaysia, there are many of these IBLISes (the wretched ones) running around. That confused school head in Kulai is another. Then there are IBLISes running around the Parliament, Public offices and so on, all because people like Harunbloodysainy has taken over their minds. I can see them clearly everyday, wallowing in their confusion and fear, THE FEAR OF KNOWLEDGE. The Quran advises me to think, not outside the box, but think WITHOUT A BOX. Destroy those boxes that your Rabbiis, Mullahs, Priests and those who claim they represent God have put you in and hopefully you can see the glorious and wonderful world that has been entrusted onto us to look after. In the different colours and languages of the people of the World lies the signs of greatness of God (Quran).
Oh by the way, there is no Oh Melayu in Quran. Ponder!
Shalom
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written by batsman, August 19, 2010 20:46:25
written by batsman, August 19, 2010 20:46:25
Dear RPK - The Christians say that when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge, mankind was cursed forever. Science is unnatural. Science is purely the invention of man. So when man started to second guess God, he was cursed forever. Science, knowledge, intellectualism infects man with an overbloated ego. Can you also say that science and knowledge is evil?
Even the scientists say that about 75% of the universe is unknown - cannot be seen, touched or directly measured. This may mean that man's knowledge of the universe cannot even come up to 1% of what is out there. With such poverty of knowledge, man sure has a great overbloated ego. What do you think?
Even the scientists say that about 75% of the universe is unknown - cannot be seen, touched or directly measured. This may mean that man's knowledge of the universe cannot even come up to 1% of what is out there. With such poverty of knowledge, man sure has a great overbloated ego. What do you think?
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written by red1, August 19, 2010 20:45:28
written by red1, August 19, 2010 20:45:28
The Emperor's story was finally exposed when a child in the crowd blurted out. So here we can use the same remedy. Ask kids what they think of a government that uses laws to protect itself and oppress its opponents. Don't take my word for it. Tell any kid the situation and wait for some enlightenment.
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written by batsman, August 19, 2010 20:37:27
written by batsman, August 19, 2010 20:37:27
Dear RPK. Secularist MACC and secularist AG have a way with bonking evidence too, don't you think?
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written by a guest, August 19, 2010 20:22:13
written by a guest, August 19, 2010 20:22:13
An old saying: Faith begins where reason ends. You begin to believe when you don't know anymore how to think.
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written by mrbean, August 19, 2010 20:09:10
written by mrbean, August 19, 2010 20:09:10
Take three cups , and put one marble inside one of the cup. place the three cups upside down and ask a friend to guess which one has a marble in it. He will say, I believe it is in the centre cup.
Yes, he says he believe because he is not sure. If he knows, he will say, I know it is in the centre cup.
Just like faith and religion, we believe because we are not sure. Many people practise blind faith because they are not sure and they don't know. They do not raise questions to find out the truth. Any questions will be seen as being challenging the religion and being blasphemous. In fact, it is just a way for the religion masters to control the masses with blind faith and a source of $$.
I know of one religion who encourages and teaches us how to think and promotes non-violence. Of course, I am not going to say it.
Mankind must step up and use religion as a guidance to help us think and promote peace.
Yes, he says he believe because he is not sure. If he knows, he will say, I know it is in the centre cup.
Just like faith and religion, we believe because we are not sure. Many people practise blind faith because they are not sure and they don't know. They do not raise questions to find out the truth. Any questions will be seen as being challenging the religion and being blasphemous. In fact, it is just a way for the religion masters to control the masses with blind faith and a source of $$.
I know of one religion who encourages and teaches us how to think and promotes non-violence. Of course, I am not going to say it.
Mankind must step up and use religion as a guidance to help us think and promote peace.
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written by ak_malaysia, August 19, 2010 20:02:47
written by ak_malaysia, August 19, 2010 20:02:47
Hi bro. Pete, this is a beautiful piece! It explains everything in simple layman's language with down-to-earth simple logical reasoning. Faith, the absence of it, obsession with it or the lack of it affects every aspect of human relationships with one another and with ultimately, the unseen God.
You are such an excellent writer, Pete. Take K and God bless and protect you amd your family. If you have faith, it will happen so the religionists say!
You are such an excellent writer, Pete. Take K and God bless and protect you amd your family. If you have faith, it will happen so the religionists say!
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written by Tompios, August 19, 2010 19:57:38
written by Tompios, August 19, 2010 19:57:38
Pete,
Second thought about faith is not always about something unproven visibly and experimentally but more to create hope situation. It is fortunate to have hope from faith that we believe in. Faith in positive ways will do great thing in human life. Yes, positive ways!
Second thought about faith is not always about something unproven visibly and experimentally but more to create hope situation. It is fortunate to have hope from faith that we believe in. Faith in positive ways will do great thing in human life. Yes, positive ways!
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written by panca, August 19, 2010 19:48:32
written by panca, August 19, 2010 19:48:32
As one of the path one walks on, faith can be blind, regardless whether one believe in god or not( that is within oneself with him if one chooses to believe in one) like what is said(RPK) one is given brain, one uses it to think...deeply, ultimately one also questions. This is why the path lies not in just what one believes(again if he/she chooses to) that is what WISDOM is needed on the path or any other path. Otherwise the essence is lost, lost as of blind faith. Like why it is then called Blind Faith!
Next we hear the right and wrong, follow by good or bad, well to be more than accurate, the path should be with clarity whether it brings wholesomeness or otherwise unwholesomeness.
If they say walk straight and die together, will you? Like it is taught, don't follow behind, just walk side by side and if one do fall, the other can keep walking. Don't just believe but think and learn. Also learn to think for those not thinking. Think how you were cheated of your votes and why do we allow ourselves to be cheated again and again for the last 40 years. Because you just believe,
Next we hear the right and wrong, follow by good or bad, well to be more than accurate, the path should be with clarity whether it brings wholesomeness or otherwise unwholesomeness.
If they say walk straight and die together, will you? Like it is taught, don't follow behind, just walk side by side and if one do fall, the other can keep walking. Don't just believe but think and learn. Also learn to think for those not thinking. Think how you were cheated of your votes and why do we allow ourselves to be cheated again and again for the last 40 years. Because you just believe,
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analysis. Everyone is entitled to have their own faith. Follow the middle path.
Why be narrow minded to the point of being extremist for some fanatics.
We are all born different, by colour, race or creed.
That is what makes the world go round.
That is the beauty of the universe.
And the colour of human blood is the same.