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MT COLUMNS NO HOLDS BARRED If they only had the ISA and licences in the past

If they only had the ISA and licences in the past


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“It’s better for anyone who wants to give religious talks to get accreditation, regardless of the background, so we will know who they are and what they are going to talk about.”

NO HOLDS BARRED

Raja Petra Kamarudin

ISA effective way to curb terrorism

(Bernama) -- The Internal Security Act (ISA) is undoubtedly an effective way to curb terrorism in Malaysia, Australian ambassador for Counter-Terrorism William Paterson said today.

"Malaysia chooses to use the preventive detention approach under the ISA... has it being effective? Without doubt, yes, it's been very effective," he told reporters after a roundtable discussion on "Australia's Perspective on Regional Counter-Terrorism Issues" here.

The one-day discussion was organised by the Foreign Ministry's Southeast Asia Regional Centre for Counter-Terrorism (SEARCCT) in collaboration with the Australian High Commission in Malaysia.

The discussion was chaired by SEARCTT Director-General Ahmad Shahizan Abdul Samad.

Paterson said every country had to come out with its own decision in dealing with terrorism.

"Indonesia took a very different approach, it decided to embark on criminal investigation, prosecution, (and then through) courts system to conviction... that also has proven very effective and that's the approach we take in Australia," he said.

Paterson said censorship of the Internet, which was often used as a tool by terrorists to build and coordinate their activities such as recruitment and fund-raising, was not the best solution to curb the problem.

"If we start censorship of the Internet we will be the big losers and there's no support from our society (because) people want a free and open Internet.

"There is no solution at the moment and they (terrorists) are also very hard to take down. You can get professional hackers to disrupt an extremist website but after you take that down, it will pop up somewhere else... it's a very difficult problem in the counter-terrorism world," he said.

Paterson also expressed high regard for Malaysia's capabilities and willingness to work with other countries in addressing the matter.

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This is exactly what I have been saying all long. If the authorities had clamped down on those terrorists from Medina 1,500 years ago then Muhammad and his band of merry men could have been wiped out before they became too powerful and a danger to the government.

"Malaysia chooses to use the preventive detention approach under the ISA... has it being effective? Without doubt, yes, it's been very effective," said the Australian ambassador for Counter-Terrorism, William Paterson.

In fact, come to think of it, they should have also used preventive laws against Jesus and his band of terrorists. Then, today, we would not be facing all these problems.

Sigh…governments must act, and act tough, if we want to clamp down on terrorism. Okay, maybe some of you do not regard Jesus and Muhammad as terrorists. But that is your opinion. It is not the opinion of the governments of the old days. To the governments, then, Jesus and Muhammad were certainly terrorists. And it is also the opinion of the government, today, that Bloggers are terrorists and that the ISA needs to be used against them even though you may not agree.

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Hasan Ali says arrest of ex-Perlis mufti according to the law

(The Malaysian Insider) - Datuk Dr Hasan Ali defended the recent arrest of the ex-Perlis mufti and said today there was nothing sinister in Selangor’s requirement for Islamic clerics to get accreditation before they are allowed to preach here.

The Selangor executive councillor in charge of Religious Affairs was responding to calls by Ulu Kelang lawmaker Saari Sungib, who wanted the rule to be amended following the arrest of Dr Mohd Asri Zainul Abidin on Nov 1.

Hasan, who is also the state PAS Commissioner, said the law was in place to prevent deviant teachings.

“It’s better for anyone who wants to give religious talks to get accreditation, regardless of the background, so we will know who they are and what they are going to talk about.”

"We are not trying to stop anyone from preaching and are just trying to be careful," said Hasan.

Saari, who is also from PAS, had tabled an emergency motion today in the state assembly to debate the arrest of the former mufti, and to overturn the decision by the state religious authority Jais to arrest Asri.

Saari was at the scene at the time of the arrest and said Asri was treated like a dangerous criminal by officers from the Selangor Islamic Religious Department (Jais) and police, before being released on bail.

However the motion was rejected by Speaker Teng Chang Khim, who said although the issue was specific and of public importance, it was not urgent.

But this did not stop Bukit Antarabangsa lawmaker Azmin Ali from criticising Jais and the police for treating Asri like a “terrorist” and describing the arrest as “disgusting” while debating the budget.

Hasan said he respected Saari’s views, especially since he was at the scene, and also Azmin’s criticism, but said the reports he received indicated Asri was reluctant to go with Jais officials and the police had to be called in to aid in the arrest.

He said the public should be also be fair to Jais and the police, who were acting on complaints from local residents.

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Again, there was this man named Muhammad who went around talking about religion without having a valid preacher’s licence.

Okay, maybe there is no verse in the Quran that says you need a licence to talk about religion. But the government says you need a licence and what the government says is what matters, not what the Quran says.

And this man named Muhammad possessed no such licence. And if they had arrested him to stop him for talking, like how the government of 1,500 years ago wished he would stop talking, then, today, we would not have all these wars between Muslims and Jews because there would not be any Muslims around.

See how important it is to make sure that only those with approved licences are allowed to talk about religion? And I am sure this Dr Asri chap never had a licence to talk about religion when he was the Perlis Mufti. The mind boggles why they did not arrest him sooner.


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written by Nixcloud, November 12, 2009 15:15:33
it is always the law according to "Banyak Nyanyuk" (BN)
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written by Cinakelate, November 12, 2009 10:58:30
From what I heard, this Saari 'chap' use a fake cert. to get a job as a mufti of Perlis. I would like to ask my muslims friends what become to all the rulings he made and marriages he perform as a mufti of Perlis?
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written by batsman, November 12, 2009 10:38:08
It is one thing to pick on beer and another to pick on Dr Asri. By doing so Hasan shows he is afraid of the opinions of others especially those that show up his stupidity. More and more Hasan is looking like a mindless bully.
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written by born2reign, November 12, 2009 10:08:46
I'm pretty sure that Hasan Ali is as much a Muslim as Barrack Obama is a Christian.
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written by fireduck, November 12, 2009 09:44:58
Who licenses the regulators? And there you have your answers. And there you find the real problem. Need we ask further?
All roads lead to Putrajaya.
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written by DreamLady, November 12, 2009 08:33:37
Dear Admin, I have already deposited the right amount for membership fee and the price of 2 books on 27th Oct. 2009 ($200.00), and have sent email to you with my address, so far i have not heard from you,. Please enlighten me.

Thanks
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written by Chokma, November 12, 2009 07:40:16
The use of licenses? To make sure you put money into my pocket first before you speak what I want you to speak. Get it?
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written by magickriver, November 12, 2009 01:03:10
A clear courageous voice connected to a laser sharp mind. Cuts right through the crap. Bravo again,.Pete!
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written by AsamLaksa, November 11, 2009 23:47:52
Second point, a few people have mentioned that Islamic teachings concerns prevention. Heck, medical school also teaches you prevention is better than cure. For doctors it's patients, for Muslims it's the ummah.

So you get stuff like khalwat (there's just no bloody way a post pubertal male and female won't get it on if left alone unsupervised), calls for ban on Western Rock & Roll (the kids will start swearing at parents, burn houses, smoke pot, bash guitars on others, etc.), make usage of certain Arabic words exclusive only to Islamic context (we don't want the ummah to confuse The Bible and The Quran), body snatching (got to carry out Muslim last rites first regardless if there are any doubts on the deceased's faith) and a host of other do this don't do that.

Hey, fair enough. Prevention is better than cure. However (there's always a but), aren't they losing sight of what really matters?

Why should people not related to Minah and Malik care what they get up to at some condo when you have datuks and datins metaphorically riding your behind in clear daylight every day and get away with it?

Why should some people care what slick rock tunes the kids listen to when these same people clap and cheer when someone encourages them to hate others?

Why should some people care whether or not others get confused over holy text when they can't be bothered with educating themselves on their own faiths first?

Why should non-family members interfere in the internment of a loved one when a body is simply a vessel and God knows where the souls go to?

Why repeat do this and don't do that when it has lost it's relevance over time?

I once stated why do we need such medieval punishments for crimes such as thieving. I got a reply that medieval crimes need medieval punishments. What more can I say? Everyone knows medieval minds don't belong in modern times.
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written by Joe, November 11, 2009 23:37:47
...to the govt...
its cos when you force it
down their throats
it makes breathing tough
it makes life hard
and their speech gets muffled
their opinions silenced
the truth stifled
cos they trust u'd organize them
as teams leads - unite them
but u jaundice the truth
to suit your color
and now wield the power
make them mentally cower
to your ideas of what God wants
as if you KNEW what God wants
and that what God doesn't want
is dissent, opinions erupting, against you and your views
of what life should be and what you are to them
the Muslim political control of the will of a people you do not own...
I'll see you in hell.
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written by AsamLaksa, November 11, 2009 23:24:47
Firstly, what are the use of licences? Mainly to regulate. Some things need to be regulated and every regulation need to be justified because they are a hassle to implement.

A licence to preach Islam? Need to regulate preachers? Hmmmm... let's look at what is the real problem here and whether regulation can solve the problem.

Deviant preachers lead the flock astray. So they want to sort out the deviants. But wait a minute, deviants don't really care for a licence. Ask any deviant to preach openly in public and the public shuns them. Tak laku. However this is very subjective. If you spew hate speech asking Muslim men, women and children to strap C4 on themselves and rush to the nearest Jewish concentration may be seen as mainstream in the Gaza strip but it is not easily tolerated in Pasar Tani. Who identifies the deviants? Will a licence point them out?

Is Mohd Asri a deviant? Is Mohd Asri a threat to the ummah? Do you look at it subjectively or objectively? If Mohd Asri is neither a deviant nor a threat to Islam, doesn't this show the joke on licensing?

What does licensing preaching in Malaysia achieve? Like all pointless regulation it only causes more problems than solving the problem it was meant to solve.

Please don't let procedures and technicalities harm your faith. Faith is spirituality, it can't be accurately defined what more regulate.
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written by Taufique, November 11, 2009 21:45:02
so now, when i have a son or daughter, and i want to instill religious values in them, i got to get a license?
if i want to have a small ceramah in my own family circle, i need a license too?

bollocks.
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written by IbnAbdHalim, November 11, 2009 21:44:50
If PAS still retains Hassan Ali the party will get into bigger troubles with the voters, especially the non-muslims. This chap is up to no good and could harm the Selangor PR government and the PR coalition generally.
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written by sydput, November 11, 2009 21:35:10
PROPHET mUHAMED wasn't talking about religion.
he was delivering a message that warned mankind about religion.
All religion deviates man from serving God.
All religion promotes man to serve only their own religion.
That is why Zulkifli Nordin has to protect his religion. It is because his religion cannot protect itself.
God on the other hand, does not require our protection.
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written by BennyG, November 11, 2009 21:07:37
Muslims, beware, these so called protectors of religion is able to twist everything to UMNO's favour until I could not recognise what religion UMNO is preaching compared to the Islam we learnt in MT.

Hassan Ali is proving beyond doubt where he stands and if after PAS investigation, he is left with just a NFA, I would seriously rethink about asking my friends to vote for PAS in Selangor in GE13.
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written by OilMan, November 11, 2009 20:56:05
Put William Paterson in jail for saying things not connected to terrorism and see what he thinks of the ISA. For all intent the ISA was for terrorism but has been abused by the goons in BN. Strict guidelines for the use of ISA should be available so that the governement will not abuse it for their own benefit. Mr. Paterson, if you're not aware of the present situation just keep quiet and go to hell.
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written by arazak, November 11, 2009 20:44:19
Hassan Ali is stupid and an opportunist at the same time. At times he said he is upholding God's law; example, the 7-eleven raiding thing. Now to suit his UMNO agenda of creating havoc in Selangor, he is saying man-made law should be followed even for a qualified religious person.

Hassan Ali. . ., please go to hell. . ., I certainly hope those creditors will fry your ass!
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written by Democrats, November 11, 2009 20:41:10
why is it that i feel Muslim in Malaysia (in power) takes the most efforts in trying to prevent other muslims from learning other things or fearing they might deviate? Are they assuming most muslims are so easily swayed or influence? Or are they assuming they are just purely guilible?


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