Oi c'mon la..Concentrate on adding our own poor native kids instead the "foreign". No matter whether they were born in Sabah, a foreigner is still a foreigner..

Akibat tamak dan gila kuasa, akhirnya rakyat yang sengsara disebabkan kebodohan dan ketamakan..

So, don't start pointing fingers only 1 leader, those who supported this action and made this whole bloody mess should be blame too..

C'mon Govt, those kids who are far into the rural areas should receive aid not those bloody foreign children..wtf?

Why should Govt need to do like that? we are not that rich to give away money just like that. Even sabahans people still having problem to get a better life.....

Dear Anwar,

Since you most probably help put Sabah and Sarawak into this shit-hole you should be smart enough to pull them out of it. Hey, you and all the Pakatan leaders please use your thinking caps and help your members who are WAGING A LOOSING WAR!!!

They are being OUTNUMBERED by illegal means.
Anwar, if you are a responsible person you should do something to redeem your past foolish act.

I am your supporter but in this case I am ashamed at what evils you help unleash on our East Malaysians brethren.Even though that was done in the past but the people are reaping the sufferings till today.

Once again, I state that I am bemused by many who posted here.

How can there be an immediate solution to our legalized migrant problem in Sabah?
The majority voters have been instructed to, and will vote UMNO as they owe their citizenships to them. How can the PKR become the State government when genuine Sabahans’ voters are simply overwhelmed by legalized voters?
We find ourselves in a catch 22 situation! In order to rectify Sabah’s legalized migrant problem, we need to put in an opposition Government. But in order for the opposition government to come into power, they first have to be voted into office. So, how to obtain the first without the second solution?

We can’t expect mamakthir to confess for committing this act of treason, but Datuk Sri Anwar Ibrahim, as DPM at that time, should know what transpire in “Project IC”. He was UMNO to the hilt at that material time and live, eat, sleep, and talk UMNO. If he had nothing to do with “Project IC”, then he should speak up and reveal facts and, perhaps, to put things right.

As he is remaining rather mum on the issue, he must have played a big part in “Project IC” and possibly is the mastermind behind that act of treason as he had vowed to and did succeed to take away Sabahan’s voting power.

As a matter of fact, I get the impression that DSAI is tackling Sabah rather half heartedly and this indicate to me that he knows, more than anybody else, the enormity and impossibility of winning Sabah for the PKR as he had done such a good job, back when he was the DPM, in ensuring that Sabah, since 1994, will never ever break away from the BN again in the foreseeable future.

For what it's worth, it will be the future generation of all Sabahans (original & results of project IC) to find it in their heart to love Sabah enough and have the desire to chart their own destiny without being automated from Putrajaya as it is being done now.
The other possibility is, Sabahans might indeed be granted a referendum by the world court to vote either to stay on in this Malaysia, or revert back to the Sultan of Sulu.
A single peso to guess where the majority vote might most possibly go to?

Dear everyone, it is a well-known fact the govt under RACIST Mamak want to increase his voting base, so they issue ICs to all the Malays, then they forbid Malays to convert, then they divide to bumi and non-bumi and practise racial discrimination to keep the Malays happy and loyal. That is why they kick out S'pore with overwhelming Chinese electorate. That is why the govt consider Sabah and Sarawak their fixed deposit sure to give them returns yearly. Because they sideline their own natives but give benefits to the Indon Malays just for their power base until today the Indon population overtakes the locals. When the people protests they form battalions to rush there to throw out the Indons for SHOW only but they COVERTLY at the back treat them as Malaysians. They have betrayed the natives as well as all the other races by doing what they did and this is only one of the evils of this regime.

The issue of compassion treatment for the children is another matter altogether, maybe a human rights isuue. But the govt is to be blamed for all these social issues because if they had not practised racism and discrimination this social problems would not be happening.
That is why so hard for the East Malaysians to overcome this problem unless Pakatan takes over the govt and stop the secret recruitment of illegals.

Somebody correct me if I am wrong?

Well this time i gotta agree to written by Old Man, March 12, 2010 22:49:32

Salah kan 1 pihak sahaja buat apa? kalau lah time 2 pemimpin sabah betul2 pintar kenapa projek ic masih boleh berlaku? tgo macam sarawak, semuanya kena handle oleh sarawakians. But Sabah? Change la peps... Ask govt to give what is actually milik anda..... you no need those opposition party dari luar, you can do it......But for sure Datuk Musa Aman did well comparing to the previous CM...

if there is facts..it may be true. i couldn't agree more.we must protect our rights. i hope the government have something to say about this.

this is a serious issue here. people are getting angry. the government have to react or there will be implications in the next GE.

i'm not blaming the government , its just sometimes they must listen to us more because our votes and trust are on them. don't keep quite only

Kita ada undang2... kalau dua2 ibu bapa bukan dari kalangan orang tempatan secara automatik bukan warganegara... (tidak termasuk projek ic).... Walaupun lahir di sini, tidak akan dapat status kewarganegaraan..... dan secara logiknya mereka akan mengikiti status kewarganegaraan ibu bapa mereka... jadi kita tidak boleh katakan bahawa mereka ini tidak mempunyai kewarganegaraan padahal secara kasar kita mengetahui bahawa mereka ini bukan orang tempatan. Ini tidak ada kena mengena dengan politik, hal ini berkaitan dengan tanah sabah.

Apa yang akan berlaku dengan usaha kita untuk menjadikan sabah sebagai negeri yang bebas dari PTI.
Adakah ini cara kita dengan memberikan status kewarganegaraan kepada PTI, agar tidak ada ladi PTI di Sabah ini? Agenda siapa la agaknya.????

Dan bila Sabahan berdiam diri tentang ini, ramai yang akan menuding jari ke atas sabahan: antara perkataan yang sering didengar adalah sabahan bodoh, jadi kerbau kena tarik and so on...
sedangkan memang betul apa yang dikatakan kerana ingin bebas dari PTI terus memberikan status kewarganegaraan dengan sewenang-wenangnya dan sabahan hanya berdiam diri...

Namun apa yang saya katakan tidak semua setuju, and i am confident that govt are wise enough to do like that. I still believe that govt will always take good care of Sabahans... Hopefully all these accusation not connected to our govt!

I have my fair share of debating this issue before. Frankly speaking, there is a dilemma here. From the political point of view and humanity point of view.

Yes, from the political point of view, it is indeed unfair to the local people, who paid taxes and contributed to the country. But the kids of these illegal immigrants are the recipients of what should be the privileges of the citizens and bumiputra's. Their parents came here illegally through the backdoor, unable to find jobs, many robs and steals. Increasing the crime rate and endangering the safety of the people.

However, if we look at it at a different angle. We can see that these children are in fact, stateless, they don't belong anywhere. Not where their parents came from, because they are born here and not there. Even if we shipped them back, their government would not acknowledge them as citizens.

There is not much we can do with these stateless children. We can send them back, but we cannot keep them there, sooner or later, some of them will slip in again. And then what? They continue to live here, and grew up to become criminals, because of their lack of education and lack of proper documentations.

But if we gave them a chance of education, who knows, they would have decent jobs, become professionals and in turn, contribute to the country rather than causing disturbance. No good will come to any of us if we shunned them. Perhaps in the future, they are the ones filling the post as doctors in the local hospitals, while most of the local citizens prefer to pursue their careers overseas?

But then again, this might encourage more illegal immigrants coming over. Yes, a dilemma indeed.

Actually, I do not have the solution for this problem. Just expressing my views.

if they didn't get proper education, they easily influenced with negative things. they might be taking drugs, they might be invite more immigrants, they might be stealing, killing to get money, selling pirate dvds, vcd.

Tidak juga if mereka dari baka orang baik2.... cuba anda fikir balik standed sabahans di KL ada mereka ini mencuri atau membuat perkara2 jenayah (kalau ada sudah lama mereka ini di penjarakan). Dan saya juga difahamkan mereka2 ini tidak ada pendidikan juga. Jangan cakap hanya pendidikan saja yang boleh mengubah seseorang..... Jangan ingat bila mereka ini mendapat pendidikan kepala tidak pandai besar ka? kalau betul2 mau tolong, antar mereka balik and make sure they'll never came back again. While don't ask govt to spent money on this!!!!

Don't ask govt to give any fund to this stateless kids, but ask their govt to do that.... and yess, the school for them to be built and again the cost for it come from their govt, from Indonesia i guess. yup, and please people we are now in our way to free from PTis... I am not against to give this PTIs an education but please think wise la...why should we wasting our money to do that? while we still need to develop our own people especially in a rural area. Why not we give that money buat jalan raya ka? buat banggunan tinggi2 ka? buat sekolah ka? lagipun masalah karen, air belum lagi selesai...

emm mereka2 ini diletakkan di rumah merah before sent them back to their country kan, naaa give them an education their la... nanti bila mereka ini sudah sampai di negara mereka then they will never dare to came back....emmm you can try.....

This is our land!!!!!

Well written by ctlyn, March 13, 2010 08:08:20 you go and send them back to their country la that's must be a good and logic idea i guess..... 1 more thing jangan sibuk hal anak2 orang lain sedangkan anak dirumah terkapai2 untuk hidup....later on jadi mcm PKR yang selalu buzy hal UMNO/BN skang berdepan dengan masalah sendiri.....macam mana mahu jadi negeri yang FRee dari PTI kalau orang sendiri melayan PTI dengan baik sekali? NOw u Tell me!!!!!

I stand for the children's right. PKR, NGOs BN or whatsoever i don't care. I don't care the politic issue here, its not my interest, but my interest is how to make the place is a better world for the children. THANK Q FOR THE VOTE.

Rainbow and tompios....

yeah brother, dont we all know sabah better than the rest, after all we are eating sleeping and breathing here....

And the process of giving previleges to the foreigners ESPECIALLY THE MOSLEM PILAKS from the polipines, mostly the descendants of TAUSUGs, IRRANUNs and BOLONGINGIs whose culture are that of raiding and slaving pirates, WAS ACCELERATED when PBS pullout of Barisan to join Semangat KULI....

And ANWAR himself came to Sabah to campaign and said..

KITA AKAN RRRRRROOBOH rumah PBS and surely assisted in the pilaks to settle in Sabah to be BN voters... AND 100 PERCENT of them are MOSLEMs.

HEY>>.. nearly 50 of Sabah YBs are descendants of the pirate cultures, just take a look at the list of YBs..
the rest are KDM and chinese.

and they already have doctors cum YBs long time ago in Sabah

So we are already colonised by the descendants of the Pirates from the polipin for a long time now.

AND ALL OF THEM ARE IN UMNO enjoying the benefits after helping UMNO set foot in Sabah.

That also explain that nearly 90percent of the public service is now controlled by moslems while the local non moslems are HIGHLY discriminated from all post in govt and GLCs...

A doctor friend who is currently serving at the LIKAS Hospital branch of QE hospital KK informs me that nearly 70 of those women giving birth their for cheap or free medic service are from the polipin community....

So the Philipines is really running Sabah now.. why need for Aroyo to continue its claim on Sabah when in some ways, they already control the state courtesy of Mamakutty and his ex cronies from semenanjung???

Most people will talk about Project IC and point the fingers at Dr M. If there's no collaboration from the screwed up village chiefs and corrupted officers in the Immigration, can Dr M do it alone?
Can talk until the cows come home, but it looks like the legalized illegals will be in Sabah permanently ...
Looks like a basket case and I feel sad for you Sabahans too...

My dear Better My,

Rest assured I do come in here often enough to have noticed that you mentioned me at least a couple times seeking my opinion on Sabah’s affairs.
No my young Malaysian, I don’t have very much further to comment as I believe you, and many West Malaysians in MT have a much better grasp of the enormous problems besetting East Malaysia.

The government has been giving out financial aids to legalized (they are legalized and not illegal anymore)migrants and their children since the 90s. Many of the children of these legalized migrants, through the grace of our “benevolent “ Federal government, have become Doctors, Government servants, Engineers, and other well respected professions. I know that for a fact because I have a few working for and under me.

ctiyn got a good point there. The Federal government made it possible for many more new migrants to stay in Sabah, many illegally, and the children who were born & grew up here in Sabah know no other home but Sabah. So, do we simply put these Sabah born children (who are young adults by now) on a boat and send them off to wherever their parents came from in the first place? None Sabahan children (those not issued MyKad….yet) have to pay quite a lot of school fees plus other expenses, and as their parents are most general workers, they cannot afford the high cost for education and landed up running wild on the streets.
Starting 3-4 years back, the Federal government started turning all those registered new migrants, who have been staying in Sabah & Labuan under the IMM13 (refugees status document issued by the government), into Permanent Resident by turning these IMM13 into Red MyKad. In another 2-5 years, another huge numbers of migrants will be granted citizenship and become voters too. Their numbers will then swell to over 3 millions and I am sure anyone can guess what the result will be with all those new voters. By then, we Sabahan voters will become even more insignificant as we will be outnumbered more than 3 to 1 at the ballot box.

As for this post/article, I am much bemused that so many West Malaysian in MT are reacting with shock at what the PKR are only now reporting which is old news to us Sabahans. A very sad fact of life and our reality since the 80s onwards but which is like “breaking news” to West Malaysians.
It just goes to show how very little West Malaysians really know about us for over 46 years since we joined the federation to form this country called M*A*L*A*Y*S*I*A.

For more insight into what really took place, and who were involved in “Project IC” (we all think mamakthir was the mastermind, or so we presumed), perhaps someone close to D.S Anwar Ibrahim (yah, the same great Anwar Ibrahim in PKR now) should ask him to explain and shed more light into that act of treason.
I am sure DSAI knows a lot more than me for he, as the DPM, was the second most powerful man in this Malaysia during that period of our sad history.

As’salamualaikum!

Malaysian men who took foreign women as their spouses while schooling overseas many decades ago and have adult children are still having foreigners as their spouses. Status wise, they used to be temporary residents who had to go to the immigration offices to have their pasports stamped once every six months with a six- month visa . Such hassles could continue for years and years until the officers become "magnanimous" and the visa converted to one that allowed a stay of twelve months (to be renewed periodically , otherwise - - penalty ! ).

Chances of converting such a "periodical" visa to "permanent residential" status was slim and difficult despite "GOOD NEWS" often published in the local medias ! All were false hopes !

From PR status to citizenry .... dream on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Include the IMMIGRATION DEPARTMENT as another "RAKYAT UNFRIENDLY" government machinery of citizens' oppression and suppression !!!!!!!!!! This department is also playing havoc with foreign workers approvals to frustrate the needs of the employing rakyats !!!!!!!!!!! It is also playing racial and religious sentiments when selecting the countries where the workers may originate !!!!!!!!!!!!

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF UMNOBARU/BN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WORK IN UNISON TO CHANGE !!!!!!!!!!!

VOTE FOR PKR , PAS AND DAP !!!!!!!!!!!

VOTE FOR PAKATAN RAKYAT MALAYSIA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So we are talking about uncontrolled illegal immigrants, 2 milion figures mentioned by some writers before, with no access to amenities, perhaps encouraged by BN with blind eyes to to swamp/outnumber over the locals to serve BN politcal voting purpose. Hence, the "bribery to these illegals with voting rights, re article above/comments here.

Whichever you see it, it is a pain in the arse for the locals when illegals are used for poltical purpose. It sound to me that these illegals are mainly/only for voting BN purpose Who are going to take care of these people? Most likely, long-term permanent eye-sore run-down huts, occupied by illegals, are seen everywhere. Like in the west, crimes by illegals proliferate under the frightening state of disconnection of the public and the police today, nation-wide eg I hear in KL, illegals(?) stealing air-conditioning units in broad daylights in front of the house owners. IIlegals(?) snatching ladies handbags near ATM, again in daylight.

But how are your strategies in overcoming the illegals bribed/given voting rights by BN? I say, accept those illegals with My card holders/voting rights that the PR team will be better for them and the state.

Put an end to this and correct the current illegal problems by giving the the open alternative PR Federal govenment the mandate to govern, to stop any more illegals and to find solutions to the present My card holder iilegals. These 2 milliom illegals are going to drag East states down unless more economic activities or job opportuntieis are created. PR Federal party has the potential to lift Eastern states as well - if that any consolation

I wonder what do Sabahan Pangkis and Senior Rainbowhorse guys think - they were keen to engage 1-2 weeks ago.

Are you telling your friend to go with you to SABM Mar 13 & Mar 14 roadshow?

Financial aid is being distributed to children of non-citizens in Sabah and Parti Keadilan Rakyat (PKR) wants to know if this has become a government policy.

PKR Supreme Council Member, Ansari Abdullah said, the party had evidence that children of non-Malaysians were receiving financial assistance meant for Malaysian students from poor families in Sabah.

THESE MUST BE THE B*ST*RD CHILDREN OF THESE WARLORDS SIRED FOR THE PURPOSE OF GARNERING INSTANT VOTES IN ORDER TO GET A MAJORITY.
DIDNT THE GOMEN ANNOUNCE THEY WILL PAY/FEED ALL THE DIVORCEES??
HAPPY SCREWING.

im not talking behalf UMNO or BN ruling the country but im talking behalf the parents and the children's right. how if u live oversea for many years, and ur children can't get proper education? cannot be so selfish la. Im talking for human right. if they didn't get proper education, they easily influenced with negative things. they might be taking drugs, they might be invite more immigrants, they might be stealing, killing to get money, selling pirate dvds, vcd.

Hey ctyln

I don't understand why you're so eager to give them a chance for building up themselves. Are you one of them? This is not about selfish or not, and you're talking about foreign countries even more.Let me tell you something..we are afraid of nothing..this is our land and this is our place to stay. Why must we give way to you guys? Stop talking about crimes..their parents should be responsible about it.Don't blame the society.Enough said.

I am once know that, govt already discuss with Indonesia to ask them to give money regarding to apply or build school for this stateless children. And all the construction cost handle by Indonesia.. Have you guys heard about it? Maybe and i think the Indonesia's govt give some money to their people in Sabah.. But this is just a maybe... But yeah we have our own right to think perhaps, yet, no answer to this issue.

Oh my, I felt like dying. How can they do this to us, BUMI itself?Where do we stand now?

written by ctlyn, March 12, 2010 13:41:33

No, i am not agree to share with the illegal immigrant! This is their problem la, why do they come here and produce more child but cannot effort to give them a better life kan? we still have our youngster who are in a rural area, still begging to have a better live to living... Why should we care to give this PTIs an education? Better you send them back la.... No need to think banyak.... Nak free from PTIs but in what your knowledge is, you are calling more ptis entering Sabah.

Ok, they have a better life here, ada education, Sabahan people treat them good....so they will produce more la and ask their saudara mara come and grab all the opportunities here in KK/Sabah!!! what say you now! I think this is not talking about selfish or whatsoever, but this is all about our land la...our culture and so on.... Knowing that now PTIs are more than the Original Sabahan, their number is increase day by day...produce and produce!

But if this is true that govt give an allowance to stateless people, I need an answer for that!!!! But i won't believe to all these accusation until they show me the proof! But still govt are wise enough to do like that!

ctlyn,
don't talk COCK - these illegals are here bcos they contribute to bn's Fixed Deposit of bn votes. They shld be deported, every single one of them, including their kids who were born on Sabah soil.

Govt's aid to foreigners' children while ignoring the poor impoverished natives, etc. can be considered an act of treason. Still want to vote for bn?

Better My,
im not talking behalf UMNO or BN ruling the country but im talking behalf the parents and the children's right. how if u live oversea for many years, and ur children can't get proper education? cannot be so selfish la. Im talking for human right. if they didn't get proper education, they easily influenced with negative things. they might be taking drugs, they might be invite more immigrants, they might be stealing, killing to get money, selling pirate dvds, vcd.

We can give what we want to give and we can rob what we want to rob for we have the mandate. So, tell us, WHAT CAN YOU DO? says UMNO, the plunderer. Now you know why I hate Umno since 1957!!!

Dear all commentators friend,

I appreciate every courage and concern which you wrote here. But, I tell you one thing and I did tell you many times that since or as long as Muslim leads Sabah, you can see only doom light pop out here. Most Muslim leaders in Sabah cooperate with Muslim UMNO from Malaya to conquer Sabah whatever it means.

Bagi IC percuma pada bangsa asing yang sewaktu dengannya adalah kepakaran leader Muslims di Sabah dan Malaya. Syabas!! Sabah Darul Islam!!

You shout -lah! You shout to your own species!!

"Re written by ctlyn, March 12, 2010 13:41:33
actually this is one step how from government to reduce the social problem in Sabah. as a Sabahan, I can see many uneducated foreign children working in the young age and many of them filling the city, jobless and sometimes hanging at the bus stop. this scenario always make people irritated because they are not allowed to go to government school and had no right to enter any education institution so they working illegally "

Sound like one big bloody mess. Just about everything this bad muslim UMNO mob touches, it crumples to abject failure.

Sabahah/Sarawakian, put an end to this BN gross mismanagement & their miseries.
For once, East & West can be united in th next GE.

Are you attending the SABM roadshow on Mar 13 & 14??

Great roadshows they do. They deserve every support you can give them. Dont foget to bring a fistful of dollars for them to pay for their cost and for them to do more things in future.
Ask what you can do to help them after March 14. to get into the rural communities.

ISA is so yesterday. We have stopepd listening to you. For malaysia.

Eloofk,

Everything in Malaysia are put up for cheap sales carnival. All these BNputras pray to a different god, the Money God. Do not worry if our nation are swamped by foreigners because we have Perkasa to defend until their last drop. You see how heroic they are.

actually this is one step how from government to reduce the social problem in Sabah. as a Sabahan, I can see many uneducated foreign children working in the young age and many of them filling the city, jobless and sometimes hanging at the bus stop. this scenario always make people irritated because they are not allowed to go to government school and had no right to enter any education institution so they working illegally. since the their parents are foreign but the children were born here, I think the government can considering they should not be neglected. they have their right to get good education and financial support. this also can reduce the social problem among the society and giving them a chance to improve themselves.
yes, we are fighting the illegal migration but what can we do if the children were born here? they grown up, and without proper education, they can create more social problems. who knows, they can be a better citizen in future or at least, they they didn't create any crime.

Starting from Mamakutty's policies to adopt more foreigners to increase the voting base the power crazy govt. have continued this policy till today until their own people are marginalised. That is why the PM can confidently say The East Malaysian states are BN's fixed deposit because the immigrants are treated well and can be counted on as voting base.Just like in Peninsular they marginalised the non-Malays and "drive," them out of the country until today left 20% Chinese, previously 40%.If they had not cheated us I think Barisan Neraka would have lost power long ago.

NollanBD,

You are absolute correct.

So have to get all the evidence & Shame them to all & sundry.

Cheers.

Why is it that money is so important to those Umnoputras that they even have to sell away the country to foreigners? All the money and the land belongs to each and every Malaysian. If this continues to go on unabated, you can bet that our country will be swamped by foreigners and eventually takes over ownership of our beloved country.

Every citizen must not allow this greedy morons to sell away our country and at all cost to vote them out of power at the next GE. This is a very serious matter which every rightful thinking Malaysian must do to save our country from these traitors of the country.

Someone or group has to go after those in government positions who are still blatantly committing TREASON on the Country, whether in Sabah or the Peninsula. These Malaysian traitors must be continually exposed! Actions must be seen to be taken on them! Perhaps, start with the original traitor, Mahakutty??

Something smells rotten in Denmark Malaysia and not only Sabah. The stench of the umnoputras and BN corruption and power abuses is overpowering day by day. Keep the corruption and abuses exposures coming hard and fast, PR. The rakyat appreciates such news even tho' they are completely unpalatable.

Rakyat Sabah,
Berapa lama anda boleh bersabar ??? Kera di hutan disusukan , anak di rumah mati kelaparan.

Suatu hari nanti tanah dan rumah hak milik anda yang sahpun mungkin dirampas dan diserahkan kepada kera-kere tersebut. Dalam keadaan sekarang, tak ada yang mustahil bagi beEND.

Kempen dari sekarang untuk tumbangkan beENd/umNO dalam Pilihan Raya 13 nanti.

how many of these non-malaysian have been given assistance from the government?

one of the reason why this thing happening is the immigration, customs & even the NRD have been infested by these so called Sabahan in disguised..they are the one who responsible to give all the clearance for their IC & the assistance...

Sabah Immigration Dept & NRD should gone through Major overhaul to take out these viruses..

The parents of these children are foreigners but are holders of Malaysian Identity Card cum registered voters. These people are given these privileges to ensure that they will vote for BN until the rest of their lives. They have been told if BN government falls, their Malaysian Identity Card will automatically declared as forged and have to leave the country or be prosecuted for forgery.

Well.... let the sabah folks ..know ..what is hell is going on in their own backyard!

What so puzzling? Remember the sportsman story? I give you take then share.