In eastern tradition, the debate is started and everybody ignores the topic and sings his own separate song. There is absolutely no commitment to the topic and when the song ends, everybody is exhausted and defeated at the same time. The achievement in terms of the search for the truth is nil or maybe even negative.
By batsman
The search for Truth and questioning self both often have to go through painful processes of experience, understanding and realization. I suspect both are related even though this is difficult to prove. So it is that the art of debate may also have its revelations in the long and winding search for the Truth.
In western tradition, the debate is started and everybody concentrates on the topic whether in support or in opposition. This way, everybody sings the same song and stay focused and when the song ends, there is a sense of achievement perhaps even a few revelations. This is related to western traditions in many other aspects of life e.g. the advocacy system in law and legislation or even the philosophical concepts of the unity of opposites and especially in their application of checks and balances.
In eastern tradition, the debate is started and everybody ignores the topic and sings his own separate song. There is absolutely no commitment to the topic and when the song ends, everybody is exhausted and defeated at the same time. The achievement in terms of the search for the truth is nil or maybe even negative. Again this is related to many other aspects of eastern traditions and behaviour of which we discuss some below.
This observation is made by some other and not me – “I witnessed a meeting which included every kind of group: Sunni Muslims and heretics, and all kinds of … materialists, atheists, Jews and Christians. Each group had a leader who would speak on its doctrine and debate about it. … I never went back.”
Maybe even the claim that there is no commitment to the topic or to the truth is too much and the conclusion should be a simpler “There is no commitment”. Is this why Chaplain Yusof Estes says that although he loves Islam, the best examples of good Muslim behaviour can only be found in the west?
In religion, most can be said to be sincere, but a few join just to enjoy the protection of the Ummah and to make and profit from business contacts – typical crony behaviour. There is no real commitment even when these same people claim loudly for the whole world to hear that they are willing to die for Islam to support their championship. I am sure this behaviour is found not just in other religions, but in other institutions such as political parties. It is all too common to hear comments such as “Hudud Law may be applied in Malaysia only over my dead body”. Everybody likes to sing his/her own favourite song. Unfortunately it kills debate every effectively.
So it is that in the east, there is the common phenomenon of the “Great Betrayal”. After a hard fight where many sacrifices are made to achieve some small victory, some of the fighters turn into frogs or turn corrupt. This can be seen in all the liberation struggles of the east against western colonialism. This can also be seen not only in opposition parties but also in UMNO where the fight to uplift the Malays has been turned into a dirty crony grab after monopoly of power is achieved.
Can it be said then that the commitment to the Truth is greater in the west and the commitment to anything at all is weaker in the east? Does this conclusion mean that the westerners do everything better than the easterners, including the art of government, the art of debate and maybe even the art of love?
The sad part is that this conclusion actually justifies the ISA. It also gives strength to some westerners’ belief that easterners can compete only by selling their cheap labour or selling their bodies and souls. What do you think? Are you a positivist or a negativist? heeheehee

written by batsman, August 28, 2010 10:41:52
written by truthbespoken, August 27, 2010 16:05:52
written by batsman, August 27, 2010 15:38:31
written by truthbespoken, August 27, 2010 13:42:29
written by batsman, August 27, 2010 13:11:28
written by truthbespoken, August 27, 2010 08:52:13
written by batsman, August 27, 2010 08:21:36
Also - at least you are now able to explore space rather than be landbound. Do you like it? heeheehee
written by batsman, August 27, 2010 08:19:24
written by Better My, August 26, 2010 20:41:07
What is the "heeheehee thing? getting quite infectious.
Is this
friendly heeheehee
scarcastic heeheehee
bugger off heeheehee
aggro internally but outwardly heeheehee
lost for more words and ending with heeheehee
pyscho heeheehee
F u heeheehee
which is which?
..........
Every time I am about to embark on reading your article, I have to strap myself properly for the rocket shoot into outer space to try to understand your message of "outer space writing style. I go on into space craft spin, spinning me too in the head till I can't make sense what the co-ordinates that I am in - upright, reverse, parrallax in 3D dimensions, where is the beginning and the end of the message. I am like David Bowie Space Oddity Major Thong, immersed in your piece but lost in space.
Sabah PKR - work with KL PKR. Any other choice - you are setting back Sabah agenda. Do it for the Sabah, your children and EW future. Unite EW today.
written by truthbespoken, August 26, 2010 20:19:06
written by batsman, August 26, 2010 19:44:38
written by truthbespoken, August 26, 2010 17:23:42
Anyway, I am not good at deciphering what the olden days Muslims said. But still, one is free to quote a thousand other similar quotations to lend weight to personal current-day perceptions and views. Perhaps the sayings are all true, only some may no longer be applicable to certain situations and in modern times. But what I've learned from little articles, notebooks and peoples' experiences is this:- (1) Life is no straight-line game. There are always ups and downs in one's life; sometimes we win and sometimes we lose, whatever the matter. But we'll live again. (2) The world is round. All human issues can be viewed from a 360 degree angle. And in view of this, I'll take the opportunity to relate my personal perception on ‘what’ keeps our ‘human world’ turning from another angle..
"I believe it’s the ever-generating, balancing forces of the Ying and Yang factor. Different people maketh this world. Some want to lead, most would follow. Some want to impose, others would resist. Some use dogmas or force, some use persuasion or conviction. Some succeed, many don't. These compelling Ying and Yang forces move in various directions, move in opposing directions and even move into each other's domain. Yet, eventually they will balance out at the end of the day because of its inherent mercurial fluidity, equal composition and strength. It's natural. It’s a Provision of Nature..God?"
And about Truth? Dear batsman, THE TRUTH is still out there. All said, I must confess I like the apparent ‘accidental’ descending order of your linked articles, "Don't question Faith, Faith Revisited, Belief Systems and now, Debating Etiquettes. It shows subtle expanding human humility. Cheers and Best Regards!






















