By batsman
I think MT is riddled with BN cybertroopers who pose as commentators.
Don’t be too over-confident. In the past, there was overconfidence about UMNO’s ability with IT, but the recent attacks are a wake-up call and sobering experience. Similarly, there was overconfidence about UMNO cybertroopers’ lack of ability with composing simple English sentences, etc. I think in this area, there will be no wake-up call until it is too late.
OK, so I may be paranoid, but I’d like to bring it up anyway and it is a good thing in a way, as I hope people can learn from the experience. Most of these BN cybertroopers take an uncompromising anti-Islam stance. To make my case, I have to travel from PAS, to the Chinese, to the Malays and to the Sabahans. If you don’t have the patience or if you hate my writing style or ideas, go somewhere else.
The Sabah crisis is an overwhelming crisis of illegal immigrants with voting rights. They form a voting bloc that may be greater than the voting power of the native Sabahans themselves. Like it or not, they are a force to be reckoned with. How to deal with them? Obviously, not by ignoring them or the problem they pose. Obviously too they have their own problems and grouses and may not be completely happy with UMNO nor are all of them robbers or even sinful. If native Sabahans can swallow bitter medicine, it is time to make the approach to win them over. Lots of sacrifices have to be made including recognizing their rights.
The situation is somewhat similar in the peninsular. The Chinese and Indians were once immigrants too. Now they are full-fledged citizens with voting rights. But unlike the Filipinos in Sabah, they are in the minority and they are relatively ancient residents of the peninsular. Where does one draw the line with regard to recognizing immigrant rights - ancient or recent? I think it partly boils down to the behaviour of the immigrants themselves.
For example, if the immigrants insist on retaining their original identity in Sabah and manipulate to make Sabah a province of Mindanao, then there is no compromise with them. Similarly if the 3rd, 4th and 5th generation descendents of ancient Chinese immigrants wish to make Malaysia a colony of China, there can be no compromise.
Again, where does one draw the line between loyal, fully integrated or assimilated 5th generation descendents of ancient immigrants and those that still wish to make Malaysia a colony of China (or Singapore for that matter)? For a simple case, those that take rabid, uncompromising anti-Islam stance have to be identified as UMNO cybertroopers, for they are trying their very best to irritate and turn Muslim voters away.
PAS is on a knife edge. PAS tries to be PAS for all in the hope that all will be for PAS. Unfortunately, can you really include those rabid anti-Islam UMNO cybertroopers in the “all”?
There are 2 by-elections that need to be considered very carefully even if everyone seems to be obsessively focused on Bagan Pinang. Apparently Bagan Pinang is trumpeted as the turning point where the Nons turned away from PAS. How does one interpret Manik Urai? Is it the turning point where Muslims started to doubt the Islamic credentials of PAS?
OK, so taking on the rabid anti-Islam UMNO cybertroopers is too obvious and too simple a case. But did you guys identify these rabid anti-Islam UMNO cybertroopers before I raised the alarm? How many ticked “agree” to their vile anti-Islam stance?
Let us take the issues they harped on as the issues that caused the Nons to turn away from PAS – beer, sexy events and condoms. To anyone with any intelligence at all, these are small issues not worth sacrificing a healthy 2 party system or the chance to seize enough power to do away with institutional murder, police corruption, judicial bias, etc. To me, getting rid of UMNO arrogance is a good enough reason to make big sacrifices.
So PAS made political errors in pushing these small issues to the fore; but as I have said, PAS is on a knife edge. It must seriously think about Manik Urai as well as Bagan Pinang. PAS is supposed to deliver the Muslim votes without antagonizing the non-Muslims. Don’t sabotage them by demanding too much or demanding something they cannot deliver.
But I am being unfair to PAS. Did PAS push these issues to the fore or did it just push these issues? I think it took a lot of small minds on the other side to make it to the fore – with a lot of willing UMNO assistance I daresay.
So the descendents of immigrants have to be smart. They cannot afford to piss off the natives who still form the majority. But how not to piss off the natives when you gleefully support those rabid anti-Islam UMNO cybertroopers and tick “agree” to their vile anti-Islam stance?
At this point I think there should be some agreement that there is a need for mutual respect. Otherwise I think Malaysia is in deep excrement.
The descendents of immigrants have to be careful not to push things too far. By this I mean that the Malays still have deep feelings for their culture, traditions and way of life and doing things that try to forcefully change these will irritate the devil out of them (even if the force is not physical but by way of manipulating public opinion with the help of UMNO media).
If the Malays don’t like to see sexy events performed and protest about it, why jump up and say the protest infringes on your democratic rights? Don’t Malays have democratic rights to protest too? In fact, in spite of her sexy performances, I have some respect for Beyonce Knowles. When she realized her performances may offend some people, she respectfully opted not to perform. She shows she is sensitive to the culture of other people and that US sexy culture is not readily accepted by all people. She is not so arrogant as to push her “big democratic rights” on the face of others. At least it seems this way for the time being.
Does that mean the descendents of immigrants do not have any rights? Of course you do, but it does not mean you forcefully push these rights in the face of other peoples’ culture and force them to back down using public opinion with the help of the MSM. This is the US way of behaving. The strange thing is that Beyonce, a US citizen, has more sensitivity to other peoples’ culture than Malaysians who claim to live peacefully in a multi-cultural society.
What about condoms? There are 2 issues here and not just the obvious one about sex. The first issue is about fighting STD and saving lives. The second issue is about trying to defend the moral and ethical foundations of society. Unfortunately, I think on both issues, the fight is in a shambles. So it really does no good to quarrel over them, especially over something as small as rubber balloons.
But here things get more serious. Native Sabahan society is agricultural and community based. So also is Malay society although Malay society is changing much faster than native Sabahan society.
The main thing that is forcing these rapid changes is western values and western power. Western society is individual based. Unfortunately, western individuality and ideas affect the leaders of agricultural communities much more and more quickly. Therefore it is no surprise that leaders of old communities are more apt to turn selfish and act according to individual private interest. Even more unfortunate, the old communities retain their loyalty to the leaders and support them through thick and thin even when it is proven the leaders are individualistic, selfish and corrupt.
Ancient communities have been broken up this way by western dynamism and western politics. The leaders are targeted first and then when the leaders get infected, the communities are broken up and left helpless to defend themselves. Everyone will be at this time, interested only in self or in one’s own family and utterly contemptuous of others. These ancient communities will have no time and no opportunity to develop strong alternatives such as the democratic institutions found in the west.
So when you are thinking of flooding the community with rubber balloons, think also that it may affect the social life of the community and destroy community ties and social fabric and that some people may object to this. Please be sensitive to other peoples’ culture. They may think you are trying to organize sex orgies.
Right or wrong, some issues are not worth fighting over. The main thing is to develop strong democratic institutions such as those found in the West but with Malaysian characteristics and make sure there is no monopoly of power and therefore abuse of power and all the sin and corruption that follows. We must not let Malaysia be destroyed by UMNO.
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written by batsman, November 03, 2009 14:07:00
written by batsman, November 03, 2009 14:07:00
Arubin - You are a proven liar. You exhibit no shame. You lied before and you tried to cover it up. Why should anyone want to believe you now except maybe the great dumbos. heeheehee
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written by Arubin, November 03, 2009 12:50:29
written by Arubin, November 03, 2009 12:50:29
fendyoasis,
Wes Wong? Oh dear. Mistaken identity, although I did once made a comment in MT in support of prostitution, so I thought you were referring to me.
Irregardless, both Wes and I seem to share to same beliefs. Here's a little more for you. I also pro-choice for abortion, I believe that homosexuals/lesbians have a right to legalized marriage, and I also believe that marijuana should be legalized, etc. Stuff that a conservative like you will hair-raising.
(Awaits the impending accusation that I am a gay drug-taking baby-killer...)
However, the point I am making here is that is NOT our personal beliefs that matters. Its how we present ourselves, and how we are able to accept and respect opposing viewpoints. You don't seem to be getting the message, so I'll try to dumb it down for you.
How I approach issues:
Me: I think prostitution should be legalized.
Someone: Excuse me, but I think that prostitution is immoral.
Me: I'm sorry to hear that but you have a legit viewpoint. Let's see if we can work out a consensus. What does the majority think?
Majority: We think that prostitution is immoral and should not be legalized.
Me: And so they have spoken. Majority wins.
Let's look at UMNO's approach:
UMNO: Ketuanan Melayu!
A Chinese: Excuse me, but can we have fair treatment please?
UMNO: Shut up! You tak suka, you boleh balik Cina!
A Malay: Err, but I don't agree...
UMNO: Shut up! You are a traitor to the race.
Not let's look at batsman's approach:
batsman: I think bla bla bla etc etc etc...
X: Excuse me, I don't agree with you.
batsman: Shut up! You are stupid!
Y: I also don't agree with you.
batsman: You shut up also! You must be an UMNO cybertrooper!
Y: No, I'm not.
batsman: Liar liar pants on fire!
If you still don't get it, than I really don't know what else to say to you. Suffice to say that both you and batsman lack PR skills. If you are this arrogant in real life as well, than good luck to both of you.
Wes Wong? Oh dear. Mistaken identity, although I did once made a comment in MT in support of prostitution, so I thought you were referring to me.
Irregardless, both Wes and I seem to share to same beliefs. Here's a little more for you. I also pro-choice for abortion, I believe that homosexuals/lesbians have a right to legalized marriage, and I also believe that marijuana should be legalized, etc. Stuff that a conservative like you will hair-raising.
(Awaits the impending accusation that I am a gay drug-taking baby-killer...)
However, the point I am making here is that is NOT our personal beliefs that matters. Its how we present ourselves, and how we are able to accept and respect opposing viewpoints. You don't seem to be getting the message, so I'll try to dumb it down for you.
How I approach issues:
Me: I think prostitution should be legalized.
Someone: Excuse me, but I think that prostitution is immoral.
Me: I'm sorry to hear that but you have a legit viewpoint. Let's see if we can work out a consensus. What does the majority think?
Majority: We think that prostitution is immoral and should not be legalized.
Me: And so they have spoken. Majority wins.
Let's look at UMNO's approach:
UMNO: Ketuanan Melayu!
A Chinese: Excuse me, but can we have fair treatment please?
UMNO: Shut up! You tak suka, you boleh balik Cina!
A Malay: Err, but I don't agree...
UMNO: Shut up! You are a traitor to the race.
Not let's look at batsman's approach:
batsman: I think bla bla bla etc etc etc...
X: Excuse me, I don't agree with you.
batsman: Shut up! You are stupid!
Y: I also don't agree with you.
batsman: You shut up also! You must be an UMNO cybertrooper!
Y: No, I'm not.
batsman: Liar liar pants on fire!
If you still don't get it, than I really don't know what else to say to you. Suffice to say that both you and batsman lack PR skills. If you are this arrogant in real life as well, than good luck to both of you.
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written by fendyoasis, November 03, 2009 09:04:37
written by fendyoasis, November 03, 2009 09:04:37
Arubin,
So change ur name already. No wonder you want us to welcome Singapore. U want us to have an area like Geylang huh. Wes wong, when u are dumb, u are really dumb! I wonder if the other PR supporters can agree to legalize prostitutuon?
Vote PR and this wes wong change name to Arubin (because of probably being ashamed) will make prostitution legal in Malaysia. ..like Singapore.
So change ur name already. No wonder you want us to welcome Singapore. U want us to have an area like Geylang huh. Wes wong, when u are dumb, u are really dumb! I wonder if the other PR supporters can agree to legalize prostitutuon?
Vote PR and this wes wong change name to Arubin (because of probably being ashamed) will make prostitution legal in Malaysia. ..like Singapore.
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written by batsman, November 03, 2009 08:10:15
written by batsman, November 03, 2009 08:10:15
Arubin - No shame! As a self-claimed adult, if you have no shame, you are either a psychopath or you are a professional cybertrooper, but I think you are just MCA member which makes you both.
Good bye - go away - don't pollute this blog with your stench.
Good bye - go away - don't pollute this blog with your stench.
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written by Arubin, November 03, 2009 07:59:43
written by Arubin, November 03, 2009 07:59:43
Oh wait, fendyoasis...I remember you. I was the one who suggested that prostitution be legalized. No, you did not trap me. I have always advocated it (for reasons that I shall not be going into here). And yes, and I am well aware than many will find objectionable, but I have never forced people to agree with me. People have a right to their opinions. That is what free speech is supposed to be about.
The reason why I got high votes was because I was able to present my points in a mature and logical fashion. You were just spouting mindless vitriolic which was was you got voted down. Its not because people actually agreed with my position on prostitution.
In other words, its all YOU. Your personality made you unpopular. Let that sink in a little.
The reason why I got high votes was because I was able to present my points in a mature and logical fashion. You were just spouting mindless vitriolic which was was you got voted down. Its not because people actually agreed with my position on prostitution.
In other words, its all YOU. Your personality made you unpopular. Let that sink in a little.
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written by Arubin, November 03, 2009 07:52:56
written by Arubin, November 03, 2009 07:52:56
Liar liar? What are you? 12? Grow up already.
No compromise is the exact stance that UMNO has taken on Ketuanan Melayu. It has lost them a ton of support from the non-Malay community. If you wish to take that stance as well, than you're not getting any support from the Chinese and Indian community either.
So we're back at square one. You want change, but your very own stubbornness prevents it from happening. I want change too, but if its going to be just another form of UMNO, than I'd rather not bother. After all, UMNO at least pretends to compromise with the other parties in BN.
Personally, it affects me little. Life will still go on under BN. I will still be working in the private sector. I would just be annoyed that my tax money is going to waste, but I've already grown accustomed to that. Not like I'm paying that much anyway after deductions, and I try my best to reduce the amount. I'd rather give to charity than contribute to BN's coffers.
What about you? Hope you're happy. Good luck to you.
Anyways, I'm done here. Time to move on...
No compromise is the exact stance that UMNO has taken on Ketuanan Melayu. It has lost them a ton of support from the non-Malay community. If you wish to take that stance as well, than you're not getting any support from the Chinese and Indian community either.
So we're back at square one. You want change, but your very own stubbornness prevents it from happening. I want change too, but if its going to be just another form of UMNO, than I'd rather not bother. After all, UMNO at least pretends to compromise with the other parties in BN.
Personally, it affects me little. Life will still go on under BN. I will still be working in the private sector. I would just be annoyed that my tax money is going to waste, but I've already grown accustomed to that. Not like I'm paying that much anyway after deductions, and I try my best to reduce the amount. I'd rather give to charity than contribute to BN's coffers.
What about you? Hope you're happy. Good luck to you.
Anyways, I'm done here. Time to move on...
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written by fendyoasis, November 03, 2009 06:18:15
written by fendyoasis, November 03, 2009 06:18:15
Yeah batsman,
I have the same problem with some of them as well. Such hypocites. There was a guy who can say that its better to legalize prostitution in Malaysia because of conrolling STDs, (he was trapped into saying that by me of course), and the shocking part was he got super high votes!. And me got voted down.
Makes u wonder, there are CTs here.
I have the same problem with some of them as well. Such hypocites. There was a guy who can say that its better to legalize prostitution in Malaysia because of conrolling STDs, (he was trapped into saying that by me of course), and the shocking part was he got super high votes!. And me got voted down.
Makes u wonder, there are CTs here.
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written by batsman, November 03, 2009 04:23:28
Liar! Liar!
Guys - Do you expect me to treat such people with malice and deceit in their hearts with courtesy and ceremony?
I am quite capable and happy to respect those who have no malice in their hearts, but the moment I see malice, hypocrisy and deceit, that is when I say - no compromise!
written by batsman, November 03, 2009 04:23:28
If it were somehow possible for Singapore to take over Malaysia, I will personally lay out the red carpet and welcome them.
Liar! Liar!
Guys - Do you expect me to treat such people with malice and deceit in their hearts with courtesy and ceremony?
I am quite capable and happy to respect those who have no malice in their hearts, but the moment I see malice, hypocrisy and deceit, that is when I say - no compromise!
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written by Arubin, November 03, 2009 03:06:10
written by Arubin, November 03, 2009 03:06:10
No, I merely want a competent government. Singapore has one. Malaysia doesn't. Simple as that. What you are offering is, from my perspective, merely nothing more than UMNO reloaded. Brand new face, same old shit.
Between a democracy where I'm forced to pick between 2 crappy choices or a one-party state that at least offers the prospect of good governance, I'll go for the latter any day.
Not so much me wanting this country to be a colony of Singapore, as in I want the politicians here to emulate their work ethic. I'll say it again - I don't really care who is in charge. Go ahead and find me a bunch of local politicians who can be relied on. Who I can be confident that they will bring progress and help our country achieve its potential. Rightfully, with our natural resources, we should be ahead of both Singapore and South Korea. Find me one such potential government amongst local politicians and I will throw my support behind them - whatever their race or beliefs.
But all you can do is talk. You can only harp about race and 'rights of majority' bla bla bla. You offer no substance. Only UMNO rhetoric in a different form. Pah...
Between a democracy where I'm forced to pick between 2 crappy choices or a one-party state that at least offers the prospect of good governance, I'll go for the latter any day.
Not so much me wanting this country to be a colony of Singapore, as in I want the politicians here to emulate their work ethic. I'll say it again - I don't really care who is in charge. Go ahead and find me a bunch of local politicians who can be relied on. Who I can be confident that they will bring progress and help our country achieve its potential. Rightfully, with our natural resources, we should be ahead of both Singapore and South Korea. Find me one such potential government amongst local politicians and I will throw my support behind them - whatever their race or beliefs.
But all you can do is talk. You can only harp about race and 'rights of majority' bla bla bla. You offer no substance. Only UMNO rhetoric in a different form. Pah...
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written by batsman, November 03, 2009 02:35:46
written by batsman, November 03, 2009 02:35:46
Rhan - 2nd BTW - I also make the comparison between the situation of Sabah natives and Malays in the peninsular. Again I get attacked by Sabah natives who hate UMNO and doidois who hate Malays. Don;t you think the situations are roughly similar, but the attitudes completely in denial and completely opposite?
This is where the master manipulator, UMNO gets the best of both worlds - because people respond emotionally rather than with unemotional analysis.
This is where the master manipulator, UMNO gets the best of both worlds - because people respond emotionally rather than with unemotional analysis.
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written by batsman, November 03, 2009 02:22:42
written by batsman, November 03, 2009 02:22:42
Rhan - BTW, since everybody is obsessed with the topic of doidois and immigrants, don't you think my argument is the only consistent one here? I make the argument that immigrants in Sabah should be essentially treated same as doidois in the peninsular and their rights recognised. For this I get attacked by native Sabahans which cannot stomach this proposal and doidois who who cannot stomach recent immigrants especially if from Indonesia or Mindanao. heeheehee
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written by batsman, November 03, 2009 02:12:43
written by batsman, November 03, 2009 02:12:43
Mark C - how coherent is YOUR argument. As I see it, it is full of whining, that's all. heeheehee
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written by batsman, November 03, 2009 02:11:41
written by batsman, November 03, 2009 02:11:41
BTW, most of my insults do carry some meaning - that is why it riles arguers so. Delicious to be on target and hit a sore spot. heeheehee
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written by batsman, November 03, 2009 02:09:47
written by batsman, November 03, 2009 02:09:47
Rhan - I do not take arguments personally. However I do not bother to answer obviously flawed and silly arguments. I leave it to readers to see this. So, instead of wasting time answering silly arguments, better to take pleasure insulting silly arguers. heeheehee
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written by batsman, November 03, 2009 02:07:12
written by batsman, November 03, 2009 02:07:12
Arubin - You have shown that like LKY, you are a banana and working towards making Malaysia a colony of Singapore.
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written by Mark C, November 03, 2009 01:45:52
written by Mark C, November 03, 2009 01:45:52
Don't fluster about trying to argue and debate intellectually with an ignoramus who is so fixed on a certain ideology and who projects no sense of decency and decorum by resorting to name calling and tinging comments with racist and sarcastic underlying innuendos.
People like that has lost all sense of bearings and is so stuck in his self serving 'intelligence' that all manner of reasoning and common sense seems to be lost in his mental faculties.
Debates have to be coherent and clear, but it would seem that the author of the above article is defending his even though it's clear as day that it is flawed. The author is merely repackaging an already failed concept or "racism" into something that he thinks is more palatable to Bolehsians. He missed on point, that is, we, the rakyat is more educated and more informed that ever thanks to YM RPK.
People like that has lost all sense of bearings and is so stuck in his self serving 'intelligence' that all manner of reasoning and common sense seems to be lost in his mental faculties.
Debates have to be coherent and clear, but it would seem that the author of the above article is defending his even though it's clear as day that it is flawed. The author is merely repackaging an already failed concept or "racism" into something that he thinks is more palatable to Bolehsians. He missed on point, that is, we, the rakyat is more educated and more informed that ever thanks to YM RPK.
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written by Rhan, November 03, 2009 00:50:17
written by Rhan, November 03, 2009 00:50:17
This is only the first article on this subject matter and I think batsman could explore further with more articles and let the readers to judge and look at the issue from another perspective. Of course everyone love not to talk race and doi but I don’t think keeping silence will alleviate our “native†fear. The call of justice and democracy would not win you any seat in Kelantan and this is the reality we have to face, Malaysia both good and bad is diversity and we can’t look at all state in an entirely same manners.
I think batsman shouldn’t take it so personal toward commenters criticism. We should welcome thought that is differing from ours. For instance, perhaps we could brainstorming a bit to lay a red carpet for Japanese and American too.
I think batsman shouldn’t take it so personal toward commenters criticism. We should welcome thought that is differing from ours. For instance, perhaps we could brainstorming a bit to lay a red carpet for Japanese and American too.
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written by MSIA_RYAZA, November 03, 2009 00:47:37
written by MSIA_RYAZA, November 03, 2009 00:47:37
malays in PR have not forgotten our origins but this is the fact.. Malays are peoples on peninsular and islands stretching from Sumatra to Sulawesi. why most MT readers (non Malays) want to refer us as PENDATANG also? r u also forming 'Malay race' as in Wikipedia? damn u all.. as Pete said "Chinese always grumbling"
Most of u are trying hard to exclude Malay Peninsula a.k.a. Tanah Melayu from Malay Archipelago.
From Johann Friedrich Blumenbach, The anthropological treatises of Johann Friedrich Blumenbach, translated by Thomas Bendyshe. 1865. November 2, 2006, described:
Malay variety. Tawny-coloured; hair black, soft, curly, thick and plentiful; head moderately narrowed; forehead slightly swelling; nose full, rather wide, as it were diffuse, end thick; mouth large. upper jaw somewhat prominent with the parts of the face when seen in profile, sufficiently prominent and distinct from each other. This last variety includes the islanders of the Pacific Ocean, together with the inhabitants of the Marianne, the Philippine, the Molucca and the Sunda Islands, and of the Malayan peninsula. I wish to call it the Malay, because the majority of the men of this variety, especially those who inhabit the Indian islands close to the Malacca peninsula, as well as the Sandwich, the Society, and the Friendly Islanders, and also the Malambi of Madagascar down to the inhabitants of Easter Island, use the Malay idiom.
Most of u are trying hard to exclude Malay Peninsula a.k.a. Tanah Melayu from Malay Archipelago.
From Johann Friedrich Blumenbach, The anthropological treatises of Johann Friedrich Blumenbach, translated by Thomas Bendyshe. 1865. November 2, 2006, described:
Malay variety. Tawny-coloured; hair black, soft, curly, thick and plentiful; head moderately narrowed; forehead slightly swelling; nose full, rather wide, as it were diffuse, end thick; mouth large. upper jaw somewhat prominent with the parts of the face when seen in profile, sufficiently prominent and distinct from each other. This last variety includes the islanders of the Pacific Ocean, together with the inhabitants of the Marianne, the Philippine, the Molucca and the Sunda Islands, and of the Malayan peninsula. I wish to call it the Malay, because the majority of the men of this variety, especially those who inhabit the Indian islands close to the Malacca peninsula, as well as the Sandwich, the Society, and the Friendly Islanders, and also the Malambi of Madagascar down to the inhabitants of Easter Island, use the Malay idiom.
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written by Arubin, November 03, 2009 00:45:23
written by Arubin, November 03, 2009 00:45:23
And exactly what have I shown to the world? That I prize a competent government above all else? That I'm willing to give up freedom of speech if it means that whoever in charge gives me little reason to complain? That there is no need for me to speak out against government excesses or corruption? Hell yeah, I'm not ashamed of that.
What about you? What have you shown the world? That you are an immature racist who wants change to happen to this country, but only on your terms alone and no one else's? That you like to contradict yourself? If you're proud of that image, than good for you.
What about you? What have you shown the world? That you are an immature racist who wants change to happen to this country, but only on your terms alone and no one else's? That you like to contradict yourself? If you're proud of that image, than good for you.
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 23:40:07
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 23:40:07
apiapi - Haiyah I already warned you to stay away if you do not have the patience. Good that you have the wherewithal to sum up the energy and the interest to make your comment.
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 23:38:19
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 23:38:19
EYFF - No I didn't get lost. Unfortunately you seem to have lost your nose and cannot find it. heeheehee
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 23:34:32
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 23:34:32
BTW - Are you not the one closer to UMNO? Are you not using the UMNO tactic of demonising the victim? I am the one whose arguments are being suppressed here not yours.
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 23:32:09
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 23:32:09
Arubin - TQ for showing the world what you are.
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written by Arubin, November 02, 2009 18:12:22
written by Arubin, November 02, 2009 18:12:22
What silence on Singapore? I've said it before and I'll say it again. If it were somehow possible for Singapore to take over Malaysia, I will personally lay out the red carpet and welcome them. They might not exactly be a democratic improvement, but it will certainly be nice to have competent people in charge for a change with a no-nonsense approach to corruption. Yes, I'm fully aware of their faults but the pros outweigh the cons for me. After all, the Bush administration is proof that a democratic government can still be guilty of incompetence.
I'm fully aware that you won't approve because of your usual stance on 'race' or 'majority' and all. Fine with me. If you can find me a bunch of Malaysian politicians (who no doubt will have to be Malay to meet your approval) who can run this country as effectively as Singapore, I'm all for it - if you can find any. I don't care who's in charge (or even what style of government it is) as long as they are competent. As it is, I have little confidence in PR myself - DAP included, nevermind PKR or PAS. I'm just voting for them because I'm tired of BN's arrogance and corruption.
You love to criticize UMNO, yet you fail to realize that one of the major reasons why everyone else hates them is because of their feckless disregard of the opinions of others - exactly the same attitude you have shown in your replies to your article. Go read over them again. Its the sort of nonsense one would expect from Rais Yatim or Khir Toyo. Are you actually proud of yourself?
Which is why I've said - if people like you represent the so-called change that is supposed to happen in this country, I'd really rather not bother. We'll just be trading UMNO's version of democracy with YOUR version of democracy. You claim yours is better, but I see little difference. Which is why I'd rather have the Singaporeans in charge. You just can't present me with a decent alternative. Failing that, I'd really rather stick to the evil I know. At least they are feeding me less BS than you are.
I'm fully aware that you won't approve because of your usual stance on 'race' or 'majority' and all. Fine with me. If you can find me a bunch of Malaysian politicians (who no doubt will have to be Malay to meet your approval) who can run this country as effectively as Singapore, I'm all for it - if you can find any. I don't care who's in charge (or even what style of government it is) as long as they are competent. As it is, I have little confidence in PR myself - DAP included, nevermind PKR or PAS. I'm just voting for them because I'm tired of BN's arrogance and corruption.
You love to criticize UMNO, yet you fail to realize that one of the major reasons why everyone else hates them is because of their feckless disregard of the opinions of others - exactly the same attitude you have shown in your replies to your article. Go read over them again. Its the sort of nonsense one would expect from Rais Yatim or Khir Toyo. Are you actually proud of yourself?
Which is why I've said - if people like you represent the so-called change that is supposed to happen in this country, I'd really rather not bother. We'll just be trading UMNO's version of democracy with YOUR version of democracy. You claim yours is better, but I see little difference. Which is why I'd rather have the Singaporeans in charge. You just can't present me with a decent alternative. Failing that, I'd really rather stick to the evil I know. At least they are feeding me less BS than you are.
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written by EYFF, November 02, 2009 16:25:38
written by EYFF, November 02, 2009 16:25:38
Similarly if the 3rd, 4th and 5th generation descendents of ancient Chinese immigrants wish to make Malaysia a colony of China, there can be no compromise.
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Well for your info, batsman, Malaya was the 17th Vassal State of China! Go ask Khoo K K if you are not sure!
For your info the last British census in British Borneo before the formation of Malaysia stated that the Malay population in Borneo are as follows:-
Malays-----4%-------Sarawak
Malays-----5% -----North Borneo
As for the rights of the Suluks in North Borneo aka Sabah do please note that
North Borneo was leased from the Sultan of Sulu and every year the Sultan or Princess of Sulu would call on the British Governor to collect his/her tributes!
Still don't believe, then refer to the Sabah Times or Borneo Bulletin archives for that period.
The British rented North Borneo from the Sultan of Sulu and then gave it to Malaya as a Malaysia's present!
Batsmans are you sure you do not have any bat up your belfry?
Or maybe got lost in going the long torturous way from PAS to Sabahan?
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Well for your info, batsman, Malaya was the 17th Vassal State of China! Go ask Khoo K K if you are not sure!
For your info the last British census in British Borneo before the formation of Malaysia stated that the Malay population in Borneo are as follows:-
Malays-----4%-------Sarawak
Malays-----5% -----North Borneo
As for the rights of the Suluks in North Borneo aka Sabah do please note that
North Borneo was leased from the Sultan of Sulu and every year the Sultan or Princess of Sulu would call on the British Governor to collect his/her tributes!
Still don't believe, then refer to the Sabah Times or Borneo Bulletin archives for that period.
The British rented North Borneo from the Sultan of Sulu and then gave it to Malaya as a Malaysia's present!
Batsmans are you sure you do not have any bat up your belfry?
Or maybe got lost in going the long torturous way from PAS to Sabahan?
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 14:40:25
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 14:40:25
emg for the 5th time - impressive vocabulary! If only you had the intelligence to match! heeheehee
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 14:33:26
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 14:33:26
siewchinteo - you underestimate UMNO. They are experienced in opinion forming. They have used dumb asses with chauvinistic ideas and dictatorial tendencies to seize control of opinion making in cyberspace.
These guys have already been seduced by Najib and the 1Malaysia PR effort. They have made up their minds to go back to BN. These attacks are just an excuse to cover up their tracks.
These guys have already been seduced by Najib and the 1Malaysia PR effort. They have made up their minds to go back to BN. These attacks are just an excuse to cover up their tracks.
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 14:27:26
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 14:27:26
chanakyan - Yes I have met many like you - only looking out for No 1.
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 14:25:13
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 14:25:13
Cruzeiro - Looks to me that you can focus on only small things in short sections. Is that why you and your friends are so obsessed about doidois? heeheehee
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 14:23:19
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 14:23:19
hellosunshine - bye bye - not that you contributed anything of any value
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 14:21:17
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 14:21:17
Arubin, Jan et al - If not China, Singapore? I did mention Singapore - why the silence on Singapore?
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 14:18:27
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 14:18:27
Dear Zorro - I don't think we differ in understanding. However there is some difference in assumptions. I think you equal Malays with UMNO. I don't.
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written by hellosunshine, November 02, 2009 12:16:20
written by hellosunshine, November 02, 2009 12:16:20
Hey guys, don't waste time with this racist batty man. He is too thick headed to see others' point of views. If he is truly from PAS, I rest my case on why the nons still don't trust PAS till now. I am leaving this thread as it's a waste of my time. Adios muchachos! 
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written by Jan, November 02, 2009 11:16:20
written by Jan, November 02, 2009 11:16:20
Where did this bimbo gets the notion that the chinese here want this country to be part of China? This is crazy and most ridiculous.
Yesterday at the World Junior Badminton Championship in Alor Setar we see a lot of Malaysian Chinese supporters rooting for Iskandar to win against the chinese opponent from china. We are Malaysians of chinese origin and not mainland chinese for god's sake! We wouldn't even want to live there.
Yesterday at the World Junior Badminton Championship in Alor Setar we see a lot of Malaysian Chinese supporters rooting for Iskandar to win against the chinese opponent from china. We are Malaysians of chinese origin and not mainland chinese for god's sake! We wouldn't even want to live there.
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written by cruzeiro, November 02, 2009 10:49:17
written by cruzeiro, November 02, 2009 10:49:17
Ha ha!
Batsman got bitch-slapped so bad, he didn't know what hit him for writing some long-winded racist trash!!
Batsman - you're backsliding so bad this time, bro. Be careful what you think & write before you shoot off- sometimes you loose track of what you speak of.
Notice your seven generation wish-list?
If that were the case, our population would be far below what it is now, and Sabah wouldn't be what it is - and your argument is ripped to shreds.
Take care, batsman - you can do some better batting if you stick to the comments section, instead of using your leaps of logic to write crap like this....
Batsman got bitch-slapped so bad, he didn't know what hit him for writing some long-winded racist trash!!
Batsman - you're backsliding so bad this time, bro. Be careful what you think & write before you shoot off- sometimes you loose track of what you speak of.
Notice your seven generation wish-list?
If that were the case, our population would be far below what it is now, and Sabah wouldn't be what it is - and your argument is ripped to shreds.
Take care, batsman - you can do some better batting if you stick to the comments section, instead of using your leaps of logic to write crap like this....
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written by chanakyan, November 02, 2009 09:06:00
written by chanakyan, November 02, 2009 09:06:00
Now i know who is the BN cyber trooper.. Never expected you to be the once since you have been contributing in MT for sometime..
We are not Bn Or PR supporters nor we bliddly follow others.. Everythin has to be justified and and evaluated on level ground. Or else we are no different from MIC,Gerakan & MCA stupids..
We are not Bn Or PR supporters nor we bliddly follow others.. Everythin has to be justified and and evaluated on level ground. Or else we are no different from MIC,Gerakan & MCA stupids..
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written by siewchinteo, November 02, 2009 08:59:35
written by siewchinteo, November 02, 2009 08:59:35
Ada My card - vote OUT corruption, injustice, racism lah!
Note it is different from voting IN a perfect party cos there is none!
Batsman - 'simplicity' is precisely why Sabah is an FD and will be so for quite awhile. Heck 'small-mindedness' pervades even here in the mainland itself despite access to education. "Let not education get in the way of our learning" eh?
As for the BN cybertroopers - heh, if they can give cogent arguments with facts and figures - they deserve a listen, no?
oops.... was that what you were trying to invoke from them Batsman?
are you holding your breath?
Note it is different from voting IN a perfect party cos there is none!
Batsman - 'simplicity' is precisely why Sabah is an FD and will be so for quite awhile. Heck 'small-mindedness' pervades even here in the mainland itself despite access to education. "Let not education get in the way of our learning" eh?
As for the BN cybertroopers - heh, if they can give cogent arguments with facts and figures - they deserve a listen, no?
oops.... was that what you were trying to invoke from them Batsman?
are you holding your breath?
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written by Arubin, November 02, 2009 08:56:12
written by Arubin, November 02, 2009 08:56:12
batsman again...
Frankly, if this guy represents the future that we are fighting for, I think I'd rather just throw my vote back to BN. I detest UMNO, but even I find them to be somewhat palatable after exposure to one of batsman's lengthy diatribes.
There's some seriously warped logic going on here, and its fairly obvious that batsman has Ketuanan Melayu ingrained in him far more than any UMNO member.
I mean where on earth did he cook up the silly idea that Chinese 'immigrants' have even the remotest interest in making this country a colony of China? Frankly, the thought never even occurred to me until he brought it up and even I, as a Chinese, find it profoundly ridiculous.
He very obviously contradicts himself with this article. He speaks of great regard for 'Western Democracy', yet he is opposed to the free speech that forms the very bedrock of Democracy in the first place.
Just what the heck is 'Democracy with Malaysian characteristics' anyway? Is it something like 'The People's Democratic Republic of China' or 'The Democratic People's Republic of Korea'? There is just Democracy. Freedom of Speech is a non-negotiable component of it. Anything else, and you're merely abusing its name like the 2 countries I mentioned.
Frankly, if this guy represents the future that we are fighting for, I think I'd rather just throw my vote back to BN. I detest UMNO, but even I find them to be somewhat palatable after exposure to one of batsman's lengthy diatribes.
There's some seriously warped logic going on here, and its fairly obvious that batsman has Ketuanan Melayu ingrained in him far more than any UMNO member.
I mean where on earth did he cook up the silly idea that Chinese 'immigrants' have even the remotest interest in making this country a colony of China? Frankly, the thought never even occurred to me until he brought it up and even I, as a Chinese, find it profoundly ridiculous.
He very obviously contradicts himself with this article. He speaks of great regard for 'Western Democracy', yet he is opposed to the free speech that forms the very bedrock of Democracy in the first place.
Just what the heck is 'Democracy with Malaysian characteristics' anyway? Is it something like 'The People's Democratic Republic of China' or 'The Democratic People's Republic of Korea'? There is just Democracy. Freedom of Speech is a non-negotiable component of it. Anything else, and you're merely abusing its name like the 2 countries I mentioned.
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written by Horizonline, November 02, 2009 08:37:39
written by Horizonline, November 02, 2009 08:37:39
Well, judging from the comments, I concludes that we definitely have many CTs here...
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written by emg385, November 02, 2009 07:28:58
written by emg385, November 02, 2009 07:28:58
Batsman said "Dear emg for the 4th time - hey! what does emg stand for? emucking mama's grandmother? Don't blame me for bringing up grandmothers and grandfathers pls. You guys started it! heeheehee....Evoking for the 385th time? Sheeesh! cannot get tired ah?"
Hey Batsman, its confirmed that you have Congenital Hypoxia Of The Brain or Anencephaly!!! When you cannot argue factually or coherently against my points...you start to condemn my pseudonym??!! If you can't stand the Heat or defend your article, get lost and stop writing Nonsense in Malaysia-Today!!!PR definitely does not need idiots like you asking Malaysians to vote for PR! By the way, are you related to the Moronic Kulim MP, because you sound very much like him!!!Idiots definitely breed more idiots!!ROTFLMAO!!!
Hey Batsman, its confirmed that you have Congenital Hypoxia Of The Brain or Anencephaly!!! When you cannot argue factually or coherently against my points...you start to condemn my pseudonym??!! If you can't stand the Heat or defend your article, get lost and stop writing Nonsense in Malaysia-Today!!!PR definitely does not need idiots like you asking Malaysians to vote for PR! By the way, are you related to the Moronic Kulim MP, because you sound very much like him!!!Idiots definitely breed more idiots!!ROTFLMAO!!!
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written by Zorro, November 02, 2009 07:13:09
Batsman, i think you still don't get it, the Sabah Natives were the MAJORITY pre-Malaysia, but we are presently the MINORITY after UMNO came to Sabah to perpetuate Ketuanan Melayu.
written by Zorro, November 02, 2009 07:13:09
The difference between the native Sabahans and Malays is that the Sabahans are a minority in their own country, a fate the Malays are furiously trying to avoid. So Malay eyes are also interested to see what happens in Sabah.
Batsman, i think you still don't get it, the Sabah Natives were the MAJORITY pre-Malaysia, but we are presently the MINORITY after UMNO came to Sabah to perpetuate Ketuanan Melayu.
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 06:53:14
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 06:53:14
More denial and refusal to understand. That's what we all need even more.
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written by macho, November 02, 2009 06:48:17
written by macho, November 02, 2009 06:48:17
More articles about race. Thats what we all need.
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 06:48:14
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 06:48:14
truthbespoken - Jangan cabut dengan bagitu cepat la! You are like a person who fell in love with a good thing, but remain in denial that the good thing you love has been corrupted. Stay and keep me company! These other dumb asses are getting boring! heeheehee
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 06:41:32
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 06:41:32
peace - dream on man - dream on!
BTW - I get the feeling you are some sort of Jekyl and Hyde character. Are there 2 of you?
BTW - I get the feeling you are some sort of Jekyl and Hyde character. Are there 2 of you?
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written by peace, November 02, 2009 06:31:26
written by peace, November 02, 2009 06:31:26
Batsman = Cave man
STOP the legalise discrimination againts the other race of Malaysian. Treat all the Malaysian equally irregardless of race and religion. Kick all the illegal muslim out from Sabah and MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUOTE OF ALL RACE!
Keep your religion at home.
STOP the legalise discrimination againts the other race of Malaysian. Treat all the Malaysian equally irregardless of race and religion. Kick all the illegal muslim out from Sabah and MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUOTE OF ALL RACE!
Keep your religion at home.
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 06:29:50
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 06:29:50
Dear emg for the 4th time - hey! what does emg stand for? emucking mama's grandmother? Don't blame me for bringing up grandmothers and grandfathers pls. You guys started it! heeheehee.
Evoking for the 385th time? Sheeesh! cannot get tired ah?
Evoking for the 385th time? Sheeesh! cannot get tired ah?
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written by truthbespoken, November 02, 2009 06:29:17
written by truthbespoken, November 02, 2009 06:29:17
Sad to say batsman, I think we are losing you to the blocked-heads with your very defensive and evasive postures in response to the many comments here today. You are acting up like a kitten being push to the corner when there is no need to behave that way.
MT remains an open and free domain up to now and every member here who cares would have noticed that you too have your good times on innumerable occasions when they unhesitantly voted you up on your credible responses and postings.
This is the notable thing about MT. Nobody cares who-is-who, sometimes even with our dear host, RPK. Most are faceless. Most only care to ensure that issues are being properly brought in the most justifiable manner and see that justice prevails within our national system. Members are NOT against you per se but only on some of the unstraightened comments you quite often make in this blog.
Batsman, please don't let your ego and smartness get the better of you. Don't even let your strong religious inclinations stop you from questioning for the rights of other Malaysians and fellow human beings. And don't behave like a fool you are not supposed to be.
Having said that, I rest my case and leave this posting altogther. Best of luck, bro.
MT remains an open and free domain up to now and every member here who cares would have noticed that you too have your good times on innumerable occasions when they unhesitantly voted you up on your credible responses and postings.
This is the notable thing about MT. Nobody cares who-is-who, sometimes even with our dear host, RPK. Most are faceless. Most only care to ensure that issues are being properly brought in the most justifiable manner and see that justice prevails within our national system. Members are NOT against you per se but only on some of the unstraightened comments you quite often make in this blog.
Batsman, please don't let your ego and smartness get the better of you. Don't even let your strong religious inclinations stop you from questioning for the rights of other Malaysians and fellow human beings. And don't behave like a fool you are not supposed to be.
Having said that, I rest my case and leave this posting altogther. Best of luck, bro.
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 06:24:05
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 06:24:05
Are you guys living in the past or the present? What a bunch of dreamheads!
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 06:23:12
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 06:23:12
Dear ONGJJJ - No more great great grandfather stories pls. heeheehee
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 06:17:33
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 06:17:33
BTW JAIS also stopped Dr. Asri from talking to his own friends and supporters. You guys from JAIS?
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 06:14:26
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 06:14:26
Hey guys - Brickfields police stop Tian chua from speaking at PKR dinner. Are you guys from the Brickfields police station? Why suppress my arguments in my own posting (with due thanks to MT or course)? Dictatorship of UMNO secularism? heeheehee
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written by ONGJJJ, November 02, 2009 06:13:00
written by ONGJJJ, November 02, 2009 06:13:00
BTW, the earliest so-called Malay Sultanate is actually the Kedah Sultanate which started around 1200AD. Apart from the mixing with Thai & Burmese bloodlines, the founder or 1st Sultan of the Kedah Sultanate was a Mongol Admiral from the Yuan Dynasty China (remember Genghiz Khan's grandson Kublai Khan), according to our beloved 1st PM Tunku Abdul Rahman. If you drop by Lembah Bujang, you will see that Indians have settled in Kedah from 100AD till 1200AD. Beat that Parameswara!
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written by emg385, November 02, 2009 06:11:13
written by emg385, November 02, 2009 06:11:13
Dear emg second time - anyone disagrees with you must have a turban and be taliban?
Dear emg 3rd time - According to you the Sikhs all have restricted blood flow to their heads and may be suffering brain damage as a result? heeheehee what a dumb ass!
Hey Batsman, who is the one throwing around labels calling everybody a pseudoliberal or UMNO Cybertrooper throughout your comments???
Some people don't need to wear Turbans in order to have restricted blood flow to their Brains! Sometimes it is due to congenital causes so there is no cure !!You are the perfect example.!
Dear emg 3rd time - According to you the Sikhs all have restricted blood flow to their heads and may be suffering brain damage as a result? heeheehee what a dumb ass!
Hey Batsman, who is the one throwing around labels calling everybody a pseudoliberal or UMNO Cybertrooper throughout your comments???
Some people don't need to wear Turbans in order to have restricted blood flow to their Brains! Sometimes it is due to congenital causes so there is no cure !!You are the perfect example.!
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 06:07:08
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 06:07:08
Dear joeawk - you hens are no challenge heeheehee
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written by joeawk, November 02, 2009 06:04:49
written by joeawk, November 02, 2009 06:04:49
Thye writer just want to write. much of his argument is crap. He wants us to hand it over on a platter. All cock talk.
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 06:03:35
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 06:03:35
Dear emg 3rd time - According to you the Sikhs all have restricted blood flow to their heads and may be suffering brain damage as a result? heeheehee what a dumb ass!
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 06:01:35
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 06:01:35
Dear emg second time - anyone disagrees with you must have a turban and be taliban? heeheehee
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 05:58:07
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 05:58:07
Dear manila - how are you going to kick them out? On the contrary, I may have to address you as dear mindanao in the near future. heeheehee
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written by emg385, November 02, 2009 05:55:46
written by emg385, November 02, 2009 05:55:46
Batsman said "This is just a small example of pseudo liberals working with UMNO apply dictatorship.Very soon freedom loving Malaysians will have no voice at all - not even any freedom to practice religion."
According to Batsman, anybody who disagrees with his views is either a pseudo liberal or UMNO Cybertrooper!!!
Mr Batsman, please loosen the Turban on your head as it must be severely restricting the blood flow to your Brain!!!
According to Batsman, anybody who disagrees with his views is either a pseudo liberal or UMNO Cybertrooper!!!
Mr Batsman, please loosen the Turban on your head as it must be severely restricting the blood flow to your Brain!!!
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written by manila, November 02, 2009 05:53:11
written by manila, November 02, 2009 05:53:11
Quoting part from your article "The Sabah crisis is an overwhelming crisis of illegal immigrants with voting rights. They form a voting bloc that may be greater than the voting power of the native Sabahans themselves. Like it or not, they are a force to be reckoned with. How to deal with them? Obviously, not by ignoring them or the problem they pose. Obviously too they have their own problems and grouses and may not be completely happy with UMNO nor are all of them robbers or even sinful. If native Sabahans can swallow bitter medicine, it is time to make the approach to win them over. Lots of sacrifices have to be made including recognizing their rights."
Batsman, I'm not sure how compromise can be made. Illegal is always illegal. I have no qualms against foreigner obtaining Malaysian citizenship legally. I have strong objection on illegal immigrant with or without voting rights.
You seems asking Sabahan to simply swallow our pride and accept millions of immigrant with illegally obtain citizenship as citizen of Malaysia or Sabah? You must be high on drugs or alcohol!
Compromise? Why don’t you get all the illegal immigrant and keep in your district or states… probably you will welcome them with red carpet.
For us in Sabah, we will never accept them when the citizenship was obtain illegally and assisted by Federal Government for purpose to neutralize the Sabahan resistance against the Federal new colonial rule.
'Day' will come that we will kick them all out from Sabah. Before that happen, you may advise your illegally obtain citizenship friends to obtain a proper one.
Batsman, I'm not sure how compromise can be made. Illegal is always illegal. I have no qualms against foreigner obtaining Malaysian citizenship legally. I have strong objection on illegal immigrant with or without voting rights.
You seems asking Sabahan to simply swallow our pride and accept millions of immigrant with illegally obtain citizenship as citizen of Malaysia or Sabah? You must be high on drugs or alcohol!
Compromise? Why don’t you get all the illegal immigrant and keep in your district or states… probably you will welcome them with red carpet.
For us in Sabah, we will never accept them when the citizenship was obtain illegally and assisted by Federal Government for purpose to neutralize the Sabahan resistance against the Federal new colonial rule.
'Day' will come that we will kick them all out from Sabah. Before that happen, you may advise your illegally obtain citizenship friends to obtain a proper one.
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 05:48:15
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 05:48:15
This is just a small example of pseudo liberals working with UMNO apply dictatorship. Very soon freedom loving Malaysians will have no voice at all - not even any freedom to practice religion. The secularists will make sure of that - to fight this secular dictatorship - vote PAS!
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 05:45:09
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 05:45:09
Pseudo liberals applying Singapore style dictatorship in cyberspace. heeheehee. To fight this - vote PR!
Also have more guts to voice out la! heeheehee
Also have more guts to voice out la! heeheehee
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 05:37:36
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 05:37:36
Dear Zorro - as a sidenote, maybe you'd be interested to see how the dictatorship of the pseudo liberals work. Very soon this comment will be suppressed. This is just another example of how pseudo liberals working with UMNO cybertroopers apply dictatorship. See how dangerous it is when rotten and shitty immigrants work with UMNO. You have to make sure that the good immigrants are on your side in Sabah!
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 05:31:50
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 05:31:50
Guys - have you been to protests where the police outnumber the protestors? Does this situation here right now seem familiar. The UMNO cybertroopers are a majority.
Don;t be in denial. Even after dragon blood Rahmat comes out with the truth about govt servants being used to campaign for UMNO, you guys still sleeping?
Do you think that UMNO will allow the internet to be dominated by freedom loving people after the 12th GE? Do you think they will not pour millions to hire mercenaries to outnumber and outgun us?
If you continue to be in a dream state and get stuck in a stupor, you will find that UMNO will be dominant in cyberspace when you wake up - if you wake up at all.
So wake up to the smell of shit pls heeheehee.
Don;t be in denial. Even after dragon blood Rahmat comes out with the truth about govt servants being used to campaign for UMNO, you guys still sleeping?
Do you think that UMNO will allow the internet to be dominated by freedom loving people after the 12th GE? Do you think they will not pour millions to hire mercenaries to outnumber and outgun us?
If you continue to be in a dream state and get stuck in a stupor, you will find that UMNO will be dominant in cyberspace when you wake up - if you wake up at all.
So wake up to the smell of shit pls heeheehee.
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 05:26:07
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 05:26:07
truthbespoken - i have no idea what you are saying - are you turning into another peace of shit?
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 05:24:07
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 05:24:07
peace - I think you are a psycho with someone making use of you to write with greater sense but more malice. heeheehee
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 05:18:53
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 05:18:53
Dear Zorro - my write up is precisely trying to highlight the similarity between the Native Sabahans and the Malays. TQ for pointing out how Malays would feel if the peninsular were to be overrun by immigrants. Unfortunately the doidois in the peninsular have no sensitivity to this at all. UMNO is not the only one drunk on power and arrogant. Looks like the doidois are also arrogant and drunk on power in the false belief that their vote makes a difference and they can place it with BN or PR as they please. This stupidity is going to be their downfall.
The difference between the native Sabahans and Malays is that the Sabahans are a minority in their own country, a fate the Malays are furiously trying to avoid. So Malay eyes are also interested to see what happens in Sabah.
As in the peninsular, the immigrants are not as clever as they believe. I think you can form alliances with the more honest and cleverer of the lot. Having a native Sabahan as CM is not going to help if he is an UMNO puppet. This is only going to massage the pain, but the knife will still be stuck in your back.
I am sorry if I cannot be of more help. Looks like the Sabah situation will require a lot more sacrifices and pain than what we have to put up with in the peninsular.
The difference between the native Sabahans and Malays is that the Sabahans are a minority in their own country, a fate the Malays are furiously trying to avoid. So Malay eyes are also interested to see what happens in Sabah.
As in the peninsular, the immigrants are not as clever as they believe. I think you can form alliances with the more honest and cleverer of the lot. Having a native Sabahan as CM is not going to help if he is an UMNO puppet. This is only going to massage the pain, but the knife will still be stuck in your back.
I am sorry if I cannot be of more help. Looks like the Sabah situation will require a lot more sacrifices and pain than what we have to put up with in the peninsular.
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written by Arowana, November 02, 2009 05:06:17
written by Arowana, November 02, 2009 05:06:17
Kita Duduk Tongkang Mari,
Kena Hantam Kali - Kali,
Mana Mau Kita Pergi,
Duduk Malaysia Mesti Mati.
Kena Hantam Kali - Kali,
Mana Mau Kita Pergi,
Duduk Malaysia Mesti Mati.
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written by Rock, November 02, 2009 05:01:53
written by Rock, November 02, 2009 05:01:53
Racism is alive. Tell me which nations do not pratice it? US, UK, France, China, Australia all are equally guilty of it. Equality is just a political rethoric. Malaysia is so stupid enough to dwell in it so obviously albeit having racist political parties. Name them in different forms e.g democrat, labour, republican, conservative etc... or in religions based parties, like PAS, Buddhist People Party, Christian Progressive etc everything will be fine. It works better if politic based on believe rather than the colour of the skins or origins.
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written by Zorro, November 02, 2009 04:58:19
written by Zorro, November 02, 2009 04:58:19
Dear batsman,
If you think i'm an UMNO cybertrooper, i'm not. And if you think I'm anti-Islam, i am also definitely not .
I’m just a middle class native who doesn’t have any political affiliation and my awareness to the politics of Malaysia have been increasing thanks to YM Raja Petra and Malaysia Today.
Quoting from your arcticle;
“The Sabah crisis is an overwhelming crisis of illegal immigrants with voting rights. They form a voting bloc that may be greater than the voting power of the native Sabahans themselves. Like it or not, they are a force to be reckoned with. How to deal with them? Obviously, not by ignoring them or the problem they pose. Obviously too they have their own problems and grouses and may not be completely happy with UMNO nor are all of them robbers or even sinful. If native Sabahans can swallow bitter medicine, it is time to make the approach to win them over. Lots of sacrifices have to be made including recognizing their rights.â€
The awakening bitterness among native (middle class) sabahans is because UMNO deliberately after 1994 systematically allowed these illegal immigrants to come to sabah and be registered as Muslim citizens and henceforth allowing them to become bumiputeras.
Most of Malaysians of the west have only come to know about Sabah’s legalized illegal bumiputeras issue recently after Sabah and Sarawak came to the limelight of being the saviour of BN in GE12, but many were oblivious to the fact before. And from the comments made; most west Malaysian are also ignorant of the fact Sabahans have rejected BN twice in state elections 1990 and 1994.
Another quote from your article:
"The situation is somewhat similar in the peninsular. The Chinese and Indians were once immigrants too. Now they are full-fledged citizens with voting rights. But unlike the Filipinos in Sabah, they are in the minority and they are relatively ancient residents of the peninsular. Where does one draw the line with regard to recognizing immigrant rights - ancient or recent? I think it partly boils down to the behaviour of the immigrants themselves.
For example, if the immigrants insist on retaining their original identity in Sabah and manipulate to make Sabah a province of Mindanao, then there is no compromise with them. Similarly if the 3rd, 4th and 5th generation descendents of ancient Chinese immigrants wish to make Malaysia a colony of China, there can be no compromise."
Somewhat similar you say?! How would the Malays feel if their population in Semenanjung were to be systematically being outnumbered by the Chinese and Indians through economic policy, systematic divide and rule policy (Sadly Sabah natives are now the minority but we have the most no.s of communal political parties in BN) and systematic controlled media publication thereby concealing that the natives rights/population are eroded day after day?
That my dear batsman, is the predicament of the Native Sabahans.
Natives in Sabah formed the majority before the formation of Malaysia and there were mostly pagans then. And if the Muslim missionaries were the first to venture into the interior parts of Sabah, I am sure my family and i will be all muslims today!.
But as it was, it was the Christian missionaries who travelled deep into interiors of Sabah first, and so most of my family are Christians. However, i do have relatives who are muslims, either through marriage or they have converted through their own free will, and I have no problems visiting them or them visiting my family, for we respect each other’s belief.
How would you feel if you were a Native and you were once the majority but the government advertently issue legal identity card to the Filipinos and Indonesian as Bumiputera Melayu whom have stayed less than say 10 years in Sabah?? And due to the gift of citizenships, these new bumiputeras and their immediate generations allegiance is only to UMNO!.
And to add sorrow to this already sad situation, most Sabah Natives (my relatives included) live in poverty, they don’t even know that their rights and their existence are being weakened day after day and the future for their children as natives is looking grimmer day after day due to the systematic dominance over us.
And again to add grief to this already depressing situation, our leaders are fighting among themselves putting up a show of who is the champion of the Natives but in actual fact most Natives are still living below poverty line.
Oh and by the way, even if I were to be a muslim I would be a KadazanDusunMurutRungusSungai Muslim…not Malay please.
And one more thing, i dream that one day we will again have a Chief Minister who is a true Native of Sabah, irregardless of his or her religion. That is not much to ask right?, or is it??
If you think i'm an UMNO cybertrooper, i'm not. And if you think I'm anti-Islam, i am also definitely not .
I’m just a middle class native who doesn’t have any political affiliation and my awareness to the politics of Malaysia have been increasing thanks to YM Raja Petra and Malaysia Today.
Quoting from your arcticle;
“The Sabah crisis is an overwhelming crisis of illegal immigrants with voting rights. They form a voting bloc that may be greater than the voting power of the native Sabahans themselves. Like it or not, they are a force to be reckoned with. How to deal with them? Obviously, not by ignoring them or the problem they pose. Obviously too they have their own problems and grouses and may not be completely happy with UMNO nor are all of them robbers or even sinful. If native Sabahans can swallow bitter medicine, it is time to make the approach to win them over. Lots of sacrifices have to be made including recognizing their rights.â€
The awakening bitterness among native (middle class) sabahans is because UMNO deliberately after 1994 systematically allowed these illegal immigrants to come to sabah and be registered as Muslim citizens and henceforth allowing them to become bumiputeras.
Most of Malaysians of the west have only come to know about Sabah’s legalized illegal bumiputeras issue recently after Sabah and Sarawak came to the limelight of being the saviour of BN in GE12, but many were oblivious to the fact before. And from the comments made; most west Malaysian are also ignorant of the fact Sabahans have rejected BN twice in state elections 1990 and 1994.
Another quote from your article:
"The situation is somewhat similar in the peninsular. The Chinese and Indians were once immigrants too. Now they are full-fledged citizens with voting rights. But unlike the Filipinos in Sabah, they are in the minority and they are relatively ancient residents of the peninsular. Where does one draw the line with regard to recognizing immigrant rights - ancient or recent? I think it partly boils down to the behaviour of the immigrants themselves.
For example, if the immigrants insist on retaining their original identity in Sabah and manipulate to make Sabah a province of Mindanao, then there is no compromise with them. Similarly if the 3rd, 4th and 5th generation descendents of ancient Chinese immigrants wish to make Malaysia a colony of China, there can be no compromise."
Somewhat similar you say?! How would the Malays feel if their population in Semenanjung were to be systematically being outnumbered by the Chinese and Indians through economic policy, systematic divide and rule policy (Sadly Sabah natives are now the minority but we have the most no.s of communal political parties in BN) and systematic controlled media publication thereby concealing that the natives rights/population are eroded day after day?
That my dear batsman, is the predicament of the Native Sabahans.
Natives in Sabah formed the majority before the formation of Malaysia and there were mostly pagans then. And if the Muslim missionaries were the first to venture into the interior parts of Sabah, I am sure my family and i will be all muslims today!.
But as it was, it was the Christian missionaries who travelled deep into interiors of Sabah first, and so most of my family are Christians. However, i do have relatives who are muslims, either through marriage or they have converted through their own free will, and I have no problems visiting them or them visiting my family, for we respect each other’s belief.
How would you feel if you were a Native and you were once the majority but the government advertently issue legal identity card to the Filipinos and Indonesian as Bumiputera Melayu whom have stayed less than say 10 years in Sabah?? And due to the gift of citizenships, these new bumiputeras and their immediate generations allegiance is only to UMNO!.
And to add sorrow to this already sad situation, most Sabah Natives (my relatives included) live in poverty, they don’t even know that their rights and their existence are being weakened day after day and the future for their children as natives is looking grimmer day after day due to the systematic dominance over us.
And again to add grief to this already depressing situation, our leaders are fighting among themselves putting up a show of who is the champion of the Natives but in actual fact most Natives are still living below poverty line.
Oh and by the way, even if I were to be a muslim I would be a KadazanDusunMurutRungusSungai Muslim…not Malay please.
And one more thing, i dream that one day we will again have a Chief Minister who is a true Native of Sabah, irregardless of his or her religion. That is not much to ask right?, or is it??
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written by peace, November 02, 2009 04:31:19
written by peace, November 02, 2009 04:31:19
Batsman = Cave man
I thought you suppose to live in a cave? When u start living in the city? KATAK DIBAWAH TEMPURUNG. Please don't apply your jungle law to the city folks. Keep your religion at home anyhow GOD is not interested in those HYPOCRITE who used GOD's name in vain. Some HYPOCRITEs even want to defence GOD's name, sometime I wonder is this HYPOCRITE's god is so weak and need them to defend? REPENT!
Our GOD is so POWERFUL and MERCIFUL who promote LOVE and PEACE, DEFINITELY NOT DIVIDE AND RULE EVIL TACTIC used by some HYPOCRITES!
I thought you suppose to live in a cave? When u start living in the city? KATAK DIBAWAH TEMPURUNG. Please don't apply your jungle law to the city folks. Keep your religion at home anyhow GOD is not interested in those HYPOCRITE who used GOD's name in vain. Some HYPOCRITEs even want to defence GOD's name, sometime I wonder is this HYPOCRITE's god is so weak and need them to defend? REPENT!
Our GOD is so POWERFUL and MERCIFUL who promote LOVE and PEACE, DEFINITELY NOT DIVIDE AND RULE EVIL TACTIC used by some HYPOCRITES!
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written by truthbespoken, November 02, 2009 03:50:04
written by truthbespoken, November 02, 2009 03:50:04
Batsman,
Commonsense dictates commonsense. If there is non, the law of animals and instincts prevail. Hold your gun yet.. do not turn to one.
Commonsense dictates commonsense. If there is non, the law of animals and instincts prevail. Hold your gun yet.. do not turn to one.
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written by temenggong, November 02, 2009 03:47:48
written by temenggong, November 02, 2009 03:47:48
Melayu not only means runaways, refugees and fugitives but it also means slaves. In the old dutch population statistics of Malacca 80% of malays were slaves. Melayu meant slaves or slave owners.
http://www.colonialvoyage.com/malaccaNL.html
http://www.colonialvoyage.com/malaccaNL.html
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written by Mark C, November 02, 2009 03:47:11
I reckon MT is riddled by articles written by BN cybertroopers, to be exact!
How else can u explain the blatant disregard of humanity and decency over continuous labeling of what makes a person "bumi" and a "pendatang". Keep on to this mentality, and viola! in the next few years, there is no more money and resources left to fight over.
The crux of the matter remains that we are all in the same freaking boat and some pricks with ulterior motives or challenged intellect is still harping on issues pertaining to "race". Stupidity aside, this is as low class as any being with an iota of intelligence can see.
written by Mark C, November 02, 2009 03:47:11
I think MT is riddled with BN cybertroopers who pose as commentators.
I reckon MT is riddled by articles written by BN cybertroopers, to be exact!
How else can u explain the blatant disregard of humanity and decency over continuous labeling of what makes a person "bumi" and a "pendatang". Keep on to this mentality, and viola! in the next few years, there is no more money and resources left to fight over.
The crux of the matter remains that we are all in the same freaking boat and some pricks with ulterior motives or challenged intellect is still harping on issues pertaining to "race". Stupidity aside, this is as low class as any being with an iota of intelligence can see.
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written by Kopi37, November 02, 2009 03:38:43
written by Kopi37, November 02, 2009 03:38:43
"He began to believe that 'Jihad' was the only way to achieve his goals and lined up his enemies. He berated Americans for their way of life, calling on them to 'reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling, and usury and demanded an end to American involvement..."
Even in Saudi Arabia, the above Islamist profession could not gain the recognition from the leaders of Saudi and the propagandist was exiled from his homestate. He's none other than Osama the great terrorist who's probably now still staying in the caves, both underground one inclusive!
Wasn't it in the FC, we are a secular state and if Sharia law could not be all the bon voyage in implementation in an Arabian State, what do you expect it to be welcomed and accepted by the pluralistic society which consists of perplex fibers and multiple creeds, say in our Nation?!
Respect begets more respects. You wanna people to respect you, respect others first, and talk sense!
Even in Saudi Arabia, the above Islamist profession could not gain the recognition from the leaders of Saudi and the propagandist was exiled from his homestate. He's none other than Osama the great terrorist who's probably now still staying in the caves, both underground one inclusive!
Wasn't it in the FC, we are a secular state and if Sharia law could not be all the bon voyage in implementation in an Arabian State, what do you expect it to be welcomed and accepted by the pluralistic society which consists of perplex fibers and multiple creeds, say in our Nation?!
Respect begets more respects. You wanna people to respect you, respect others first, and talk sense!
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 03:33:51
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 03:33:51
Dear maisur - they are just UMNO cybertroopers.
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 03:29:48
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 03:29:48
peace - BTW have you not heard of the Malay Archipelago? Strange - you are living in it - or am I making too many assumptions?
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 03:27:49
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 03:27:49
truthbespoken - bored with your own posting? No intelligent action? Never mind - you are welcome here. After all, all the dictatorial riff raff are here too. heeheehee
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written by maisur, November 02, 2009 03:25:42
written by maisur, November 02, 2009 03:25:42
they are the fifth generation DOIs. they are malaysians. they claim that "they are proud to be malaysians". they insist on unity
YET, THEY REFUSE TO SPEAK THE NATIONAL LANGUAGE. YET, THEY REFUSE THE IDEA OF ONE STREAM SCHOOL SYSTEM
what a bunch of hypocrites!!!
YET, THEY REFUSE TO SPEAK THE NATIONAL LANGUAGE. YET, THEY REFUSE THE IDEA OF ONE STREAM SCHOOL SYSTEM
what a bunch of hypocrites!!!
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 03:24:53
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 03:24:53
peace - wow! for a person who couldn't string 2 sentences together without making sense, you seem to have suffered a diarrhea of words! Who's doing the writing for you? heeheehee
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 03:21:38
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 03:21:38
cruzeiro - making ridiculous claims? Suffering from insecurity? What a pathetic small insignificant measly figure you have!
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written by peace, November 02, 2009 03:13:34
written by peace, November 02, 2009 03:13:34
Therefore, Arabs like Syed Hamid Albar and myself, Achehs like Sanusi Junid, Indians like Kader Sheikh Fadzir and Nor Mohamed Yakcop, Bugises like Najib, Minangs like Rais Yatim, Jawas like Mohamad Rahmat, and others from Madura, Pulau Buyan, Siam, Myanmar, Yunnan (China) and the Philippines are conveniently categorized as Malays.
They are accepted as Malays regardless of whether they speak Malay or otherwise at home like those of us who speak Arabic, the Jawas that speak Jawa, the Minangs that speak Minang, or the Mamak that speak Tamil..
These languages are anything but Malay if we look at it from the perspective of the Federal Constitution, so they should never have been declared Malays. But for the sake of political correctness, all of them are accepted as Malays and "Earth Princes" (bumiputra).
It is grossly unfair to point to the Chinese as immigrants when the Arabs, Indians, Achehs, Minangs, Bataks, Mandailings, Jawas, Maduras, and Bugises are immigrants no less in this country. We cannot deny the fact that most of the Chinese's grandfathers and grandmothers migrated to this country in the days of the Malacca Malay Sultanante, some of whom did so during the period of Kedah Sultanate, Terengganu Sultanate and Kelantan Sultanate respectively. After Francis Light wrested Penang from the hands of the sultan of Kedah in 1786, more Chinese had arrived here.
We are all immigrants squatting in this country. Only the Negrito, Jekun, Semang, Jahut, Orang Laut, Orang Darat, Senoi, and other indigenous people groups (like the Kadazandusuns, ibans and bidayuhs) can be>correctly considered the original inhabitants of this country.
We must never forget the contributions and sacrifices made by all the races in building our nation in all its aspects, including the economy, social structure, national defense and, most importantly, national unity.>We are all taxpayers whether or not we are descended from immigrants or squatters.
They are accepted as Malays regardless of whether they speak Malay or otherwise at home like those of us who speak Arabic, the Jawas that speak Jawa, the Minangs that speak Minang, or the Mamak that speak Tamil..
These languages are anything but Malay if we look at it from the perspective of the Federal Constitution, so they should never have been declared Malays. But for the sake of political correctness, all of them are accepted as Malays and "Earth Princes" (bumiputra).
It is grossly unfair to point to the Chinese as immigrants when the Arabs, Indians, Achehs, Minangs, Bataks, Mandailings, Jawas, Maduras, and Bugises are immigrants no less in this country. We cannot deny the fact that most of the Chinese's grandfathers and grandmothers migrated to this country in the days of the Malacca Malay Sultanante, some of whom did so during the period of Kedah Sultanate, Terengganu Sultanate and Kelantan Sultanate respectively. After Francis Light wrested Penang from the hands of the sultan of Kedah in 1786, more Chinese had arrived here.
We are all immigrants squatting in this country. Only the Negrito, Jekun, Semang, Jahut, Orang Laut, Orang Darat, Senoi, and other indigenous people groups (like the Kadazandusuns, ibans and bidayuhs) can be>correctly considered the original inhabitants of this country.
We must never forget the contributions and sacrifices made by all the races in building our nation in all its aspects, including the economy, social structure, national defense and, most importantly, national unity.>We are all taxpayers whether or not we are descended from immigrants or squatters.
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written by truthbespoken, November 02, 2009 03:13:21
written by truthbespoken, November 02, 2009 03:13:21
Aha Batsman! Another sure-to-inflame posting! But unfortunately, this time you may have entered waters that may go beyond your head with some very weak references.
For instance, when you mentioned the withdrawal of the Beyonce performance, you said she understood when 'her performances may offend some people, she respectfully opted not to perform. She shows she is sensitive to the culture of other people and that US sexy culture is not readily accepted by all people'.
Oh come on, I think the truth is Beyonce just simply understood that she needn't need to perform in a country afloat with blocked-heads! After all, an international artiste of her stature should be more concerned with her international popularity and safety than getting more dollars from a smallish musically-inconsequential country.
Your statement is flawed. Why? Because by opting out, she didn't need to suffer those blocked-heads only for a moment. Hell, it makes no difference to an American.
But the same cannot be said of Malaysians. If other Malaysians continue to pander quietly to one-sided and extremist-tendency demands without protests, well, it may jolly become a natural one-way-street-and-carry-on-down-the-drain process for them who see the approach by zealots differently. They and their 'DOI', as you put it uncharacteristically, may then have to suffer the unsavory consequences for eternity!
It is therefore still better to always look at the larger picture and spread out fairness in all directions for humankind whenever possible.
For instance, when you mentioned the withdrawal of the Beyonce performance, you said she understood when 'her performances may offend some people, she respectfully opted not to perform. She shows she is sensitive to the culture of other people and that US sexy culture is not readily accepted by all people'.
Oh come on, I think the truth is Beyonce just simply understood that she needn't need to perform in a country afloat with blocked-heads! After all, an international artiste of her stature should be more concerned with her international popularity and safety than getting more dollars from a smallish musically-inconsequential country.
Your statement is flawed. Why? Because by opting out, she didn't need to suffer those blocked-heads only for a moment. Hell, it makes no difference to an American.
But the same cannot be said of Malaysians. If other Malaysians continue to pander quietly to one-sided and extremist-tendency demands without protests, well, it may jolly become a natural one-way-street-and-carry-on-down-the-drain process for them who see the approach by zealots differently. They and their 'DOI', as you put it uncharacteristically, may then have to suffer the unsavory consequences for eternity!
It is therefore still better to always look at the larger picture and spread out fairness in all directions for humankind whenever possible.
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written by peace, November 02, 2009 03:12:42
written by peace, November 02, 2009 03:12:42
Antara pendatang dan penumpang (English >Translation) *
To begin with, I was quite reluctant to comment on the mess created by the statement made by Ahmad bin Ismail, the head of the Bukit Bendera, Pulau Pinang UMNO Division.. Whether he made the statement in reference to Chinese Malaysians is no longer the question, as the issue has spread and has been hotly debated.
If it is not handled carefully and smartly, this issue could make clear water murky, giving opportunity to parties who are keen on seeing this country crash, not to mention falling into the hands of foreigners. In today's borderless world, international electronic media coverage makes it difficult for any country to hide or deny any given event.
The main issue brought up by Ahmad Ismail revolves around the question of "squatters", that is, that Chinese Malaysians are squatters in this country. He explained that he was referring to pre-independence days. However, it had hurt the sensitivity of the Chinese Malaysian community.
I don't know Ahmad Ismail personally, but I was quite close to his late elder brother, Abdul Rahim Ismail, the
owner of Rahim Construction Company that was once famous as an "Earth-Prince" (Bumiputra) construction firm in Pulau Pinang. I don't know what has happened to the company after Abdul Rahim passed away.
Personally, I don't agree with what Ahmad Ismail said for the following reasons.
To me, nearly 90 percent of Malaysians, especially those in the Peninsula, are immigrants, and all of us are actually squatters in the land of Allah anyways. We are anything but permanent owners, we are merely squatters.
For example, I come from a family that squatted in this blessed land. My paternal grandfather and grandmother
migrated from Mecca and Brunei, while my maternal grandmother came from Hadramut, Yaman. We are immigrants and squatters, as are almost everyone else in this country.
As for Ahmad Ismail, he is also an immigrant having descended from an immigrant's family who squatted in
this country. Ahmad Ismail cannot deny the fact that his grandfather and grandmother moved from India to this country in search of a better life in this blessed land.
It is also the case with Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi whose maternal grandfather hailed from >Guangdong in southern China. In short, Pak Lah's >grandfather, Allahyarhamah Kailan, whose name was Hasson Salleh or Hah Su Chiang, was an immigrant. He moved to Tanah Melayu from Guangdong in the mid-19th century. He stayed in Bayan Lepas as a rubber estate worker, a padi farmer and later became a diamond trader.
Najib Tun Razak, Deputy Prime Minister, is also a descendant of an immigrant Bugis family that came from Sulawesi, Indonesia. Hishammudin Hussein cannot escape the fact that there is Turkish blood running through his veins.
The Malacca Malay Sultanate was founded by an immigrant coming from Sumatra -- Parameswara, a prince who practised Hinduism.
A reading of the history of Malay Sultanates would reveal that some of them were founded by Bugis immigrants, while others were of Hadramut and Minangkabau parentage.
Almost all Malays living in this country are from outside Tanah Melayu, but are defined as "Malay Race" by the Federal Constitution. We are "Malay" in definition by the Constitution, that is, we are Muslims; we practise Malay customs and speak the Malay >language. Unfortunately, the Malay language itself seems to have been killed by the Malays in UMNO >when they named it the Malaysian language (Bahasa Malaysia).
To begin with, I was quite reluctant to comment on the mess created by the statement made by Ahmad bin Ismail, the head of the Bukit Bendera, Pulau Pinang UMNO Division.. Whether he made the statement in reference to Chinese Malaysians is no longer the question, as the issue has spread and has been hotly debated.
If it is not handled carefully and smartly, this issue could make clear water murky, giving opportunity to parties who are keen on seeing this country crash, not to mention falling into the hands of foreigners. In today's borderless world, international electronic media coverage makes it difficult for any country to hide or deny any given event.
The main issue brought up by Ahmad Ismail revolves around the question of "squatters", that is, that Chinese Malaysians are squatters in this country. He explained that he was referring to pre-independence days. However, it had hurt the sensitivity of the Chinese Malaysian community.
I don't know Ahmad Ismail personally, but I was quite close to his late elder brother, Abdul Rahim Ismail, the
owner of Rahim Construction Company that was once famous as an "Earth-Prince" (Bumiputra) construction firm in Pulau Pinang. I don't know what has happened to the company after Abdul Rahim passed away.
Personally, I don't agree with what Ahmad Ismail said for the following reasons.
To me, nearly 90 percent of Malaysians, especially those in the Peninsula, are immigrants, and all of us are actually squatters in the land of Allah anyways. We are anything but permanent owners, we are merely squatters.
For example, I come from a family that squatted in this blessed land. My paternal grandfather and grandmother
migrated from Mecca and Brunei, while my maternal grandmother came from Hadramut, Yaman. We are immigrants and squatters, as are almost everyone else in this country.
As for Ahmad Ismail, he is also an immigrant having descended from an immigrant's family who squatted in
this country. Ahmad Ismail cannot deny the fact that his grandfather and grandmother moved from India to this country in search of a better life in this blessed land.
It is also the case with Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi whose maternal grandfather hailed from >Guangdong in southern China. In short, Pak Lah's >grandfather, Allahyarhamah Kailan, whose name was Hasson Salleh or Hah Su Chiang, was an immigrant. He moved to Tanah Melayu from Guangdong in the mid-19th century. He stayed in Bayan Lepas as a rubber estate worker, a padi farmer and later became a diamond trader.
Najib Tun Razak, Deputy Prime Minister, is also a descendant of an immigrant Bugis family that came from Sulawesi, Indonesia. Hishammudin Hussein cannot escape the fact that there is Turkish blood running through his veins.
The Malacca Malay Sultanate was founded by an immigrant coming from Sumatra -- Parameswara, a prince who practised Hinduism.
A reading of the history of Malay Sultanates would reveal that some of them were founded by Bugis immigrants, while others were of Hadramut and Minangkabau parentage.
Almost all Malays living in this country are from outside Tanah Melayu, but are defined as "Malay Race" by the Federal Constitution. We are "Malay" in definition by the Constitution, that is, we are Muslims; we practise Malay customs and speak the Malay >language. Unfortunately, the Malay language itself seems to have been killed by the Malays in UMNO >when they named it the Malaysian language (Bahasa Malaysia).
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written by peace, November 02, 2009 03:11:26
written by peace, November 02, 2009 03:11:26
And if we are to use this word called Melayu, it should be a term used to refer to all Malaysians except the ethnic Malaysians who are orang Asli.
The term Bumiputera was coined and the Malay placed in that category to legitimize the fact that he is ethnic when he is not.
It is a shame, and in fact a disgrace that they are the only group of people who by this very act, show the world that they are ashamed of their own heritage.
And who else can be so? Only those who run away or are banished from their own lands, for it is only such people who are ashamed of their own heritage.
Even the customs, the traditions, the dressings, the architecture etc. point to the fact that the so called Orang Melayu of Peninsular Malaysia are actually not one and the same people.
Scroll below and read the next article by Syed Imran a Melayu and an ex Bernama Journalist from Penang
Some time ago I wrote about the Melayu and the origins of the name Melayu, which means runaway.
Today another "Melayu has written" totally unconnected this man, yes he is a man he stands up for the truth has written a similar article.
I am sending both these articles to you for your reading and circulation
All immigrants
Syed Imran, an Arab-Malaysian born in Penang, Malaysia, an ex-Bernama journalist (1971-199
and former press secretary to the Minister in PM's Department, posted a great blog days ago, which was translated into English.
The term Bumiputera was coined and the Malay placed in that category to legitimize the fact that he is ethnic when he is not.
It is a shame, and in fact a disgrace that they are the only group of people who by this very act, show the world that they are ashamed of their own heritage.
And who else can be so? Only those who run away or are banished from their own lands, for it is only such people who are ashamed of their own heritage.
Even the customs, the traditions, the dressings, the architecture etc. point to the fact that the so called Orang Melayu of Peninsular Malaysia are actually not one and the same people.
Scroll below and read the next article by Syed Imran a Melayu and an ex Bernama Journalist from Penang
Some time ago I wrote about the Melayu and the origins of the name Melayu, which means runaway.
Today another "Melayu has written" totally unconnected this man, yes he is a man he stands up for the truth has written a similar article.
I am sending both these articles to you for your reading and circulation
All immigrants
Syed Imran, an Arab-Malaysian born in Penang, Malaysia, an ex-Bernama journalist (1971-199
and former press secretary to the Minister in PM's Department, posted a great blog days ago, which was translated into English. -
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written by peace, November 02, 2009 03:10:26
written by peace, November 02, 2009 03:10:26
The Malay therefore very much like the Indians, and later the Chinese are Melayu in the very true sense of the word because they all left their respective countries to come to this location in South East Asia called Malaysia today.
The real natives of the country are the Orang Laut, the Jakun, the Kadazaan, the Iban, the Senoi and the rest, and not the so called Orang Melayu, because these people are actually Javanese, Achinese, Bugis, people from the Mollucas islands, and other parts of neighbouring Indonesia, including those from Cambodia >and even China (Yunanese). That explains the word Melayu in various parts of Sumatra too.
The Javanese people in particular were referred to as Java Kontra a term they despised and today in Sumatra they are referred to as Orang Transmigrasi which is more acceptable to the Javanese in Indonesia then the term Melayu.
For Malay citizenship and for permanent residence reasons, the Orang Java, be they Sundanese, Orang Java Barat, Orang Java Tengah or Orang Java
Timor, or any other Indonesian for that matter recognises the fact that the day he becomes a Malaysian citizen, he is now an Orang Melayu that is a new word coined by Malaysians of these origins to >legitimise their Bumiputraism.
And to become Bumiputra this way, that is by becoming a Melayu, he has to profess the Islamic faith. This privilege is not extended to Dayaks, from Kalimantan, or Christian Filipinos, or for that matter Christians from among the peoples of Sumatra, Java or any other Indonesian Islands.
The irony of all this is the fact that if you look at the real Orang Asli of Malaysia as a whole you'll find out that the majority of them are not from the Islamic faith, and that is one of the reasons why in Sabah the registration department of the Federal Government legitimised and gave citizenship and permanent residence status to hundreds and thousands of illegal Fillipina immigrants from the Southern part of the Philippines.
I therefore disagree with your attempt to legitimize the term Orang Melayu as a race, it is not and never will be. The so-called Melayu must own up to their own heritage the way the Chinese and Indians in Malaysia proudly do.
The real natives of the country are the Orang Laut, the Jakun, the Kadazaan, the Iban, the Senoi and the rest, and not the so called Orang Melayu, because these people are actually Javanese, Achinese, Bugis, people from the Mollucas islands, and other parts of neighbouring Indonesia, including those from Cambodia >and even China (Yunanese). That explains the word Melayu in various parts of Sumatra too.
The Javanese people in particular were referred to as Java Kontra a term they despised and today in Sumatra they are referred to as Orang Transmigrasi which is more acceptable to the Javanese in Indonesia then the term Melayu.
For Malay citizenship and for permanent residence reasons, the Orang Java, be they Sundanese, Orang Java Barat, Orang Java Tengah or Orang Java
Timor, or any other Indonesian for that matter recognises the fact that the day he becomes a Malaysian citizen, he is now an Orang Melayu that is a new word coined by Malaysians of these origins to >legitimise their Bumiputraism.
And to become Bumiputra this way, that is by becoming a Melayu, he has to profess the Islamic faith. This privilege is not extended to Dayaks, from Kalimantan, or Christian Filipinos, or for that matter Christians from among the peoples of Sumatra, Java or any other Indonesian Islands.
The irony of all this is the fact that if you look at the real Orang Asli of Malaysia as a whole you'll find out that the majority of them are not from the Islamic faith, and that is one of the reasons why in Sabah the registration department of the Federal Government legitimised and gave citizenship and permanent residence status to hundreds and thousands of illegal Fillipina immigrants from the Southern part of the Philippines.
I therefore disagree with your attempt to legitimize the term Orang Melayu as a race, it is not and never will be. The so-called Melayu must own up to their own heritage the way the Chinese and Indians in Malaysia proudly do.
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written by peace, November 02, 2009 03:09:09
written by peace, November 02, 2009 03:09:09
In Javanese the word Melayu means running away, or a runaway, that is why if you go to Java and ask a Javanese if he is Melayu he will feel very insulted. The word Melayu found on the statue as claimed in your URL; http://www.sabrizai n.org/malaya/ malays4.htm thus denotes that this person was a Melayu, a "Runaway."
These people, the runaways whether in Sumatra or in the Malay Peninsula referred to themselves as orang Melayu, it is therefore no coincidence that the word orang is placed before Melayu, people who ran away so to speak.
In the Malay Peninsular, it was gradually accepted as the word to describe the Javanese, the Bugis, the Menang, the Achinese etc. and even the Kelantanese who are actually Yunanese and have their origins in China, because they recognized the fact that at the end of the day they were all Melayu, or Run Aways from their respective homelands the word was accepted by all these communities to describe themselves.
In fact, before the formation of the United Malays National Organisation (UMNO), it is a fact that all the >people in the country had referred to themselves as Menang, Achinese, Bugis, Javanese etc. etc. and we all know that the Kelantanese used to treat the other Melayu, that is the Menang, Javanese, the Bugis etc. as foreigners.
Well for that matter, even Mahathir Mohammed was registered as Indian in King Edwards College where he studied medicine.
These people, the runaways whether in Sumatra or in the Malay Peninsula referred to themselves as orang Melayu, it is therefore no coincidence that the word orang is placed before Melayu, people who ran away so to speak.
In the Malay Peninsular, it was gradually accepted as the word to describe the Javanese, the Bugis, the Menang, the Achinese etc. and even the Kelantanese who are actually Yunanese and have their origins in China, because they recognized the fact that at the end of the day they were all Melayu, or Run Aways from their respective homelands the word was accepted by all these communities to describe themselves.
In fact, before the formation of the United Malays National Organisation (UMNO), it is a fact that all the >people in the country had referred to themselves as Menang, Achinese, Bugis, Javanese etc. etc. and we all know that the Kelantanese used to treat the other Melayu, that is the Menang, Javanese, the Bugis etc. as foreigners.
Well for that matter, even Mahathir Mohammed was registered as Indian in King Edwards College where he studied medicine.
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 03:06:23
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 03:06:23
Dear POKKU - looks like you are also in danger with your objectivity. TQ for standing up to these arseholes of dictators. heeheehee
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written by cruzeiro, November 02, 2009 03:04:41
written by cruzeiro, November 02, 2009 03:04:41
batsman,
I F&^% Beyonce every time she passes by this region .... have you been peeping on me to prove me wrong?
I F&^% Beyonce every time she passes by this region .... have you been peeping on me to prove me wrong?
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 03:02:55
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 03:02:55
Dear fendyoasis - too late! You got suppressed too.
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written by fendyoasis, November 02, 2009 03:00:42
written by fendyoasis, November 02, 2009 03:00:42
cruzeiro,
Yeah mayne you should tell that to Beyonce. Dont forget to mention it was my idea. Anyway, Beyonce would still not perform because shed rather be naked.
Yeah mayne you should tell that to Beyonce. Dont forget to mention it was my idea. Anyway, Beyonce would still not perform because shed rather be naked.
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written by cruzeiro, November 02, 2009 03:00:16
written by cruzeiro, November 02, 2009 03:00:16
Temenggong - there'll be no need for anymore "hudud-cops" then, eh?
We're gonna miss a lot of fun here ... no more legalized spanking or voyeurism - heavy loss, man!
Maybe we can then be bumi cops and whack all those not "becoming Malay" as per the constitution and yet claiming to be Malaysian, instead of "descendant of immigrants" .... surely batsman will be pleased.
We're gonna miss a lot of fun here ... no more legalized spanking or voyeurism - heavy loss, man!
Maybe we can then be bumi cops and whack all those not "becoming Malay" as per the constitution and yet claiming to be Malaysian, instead of "descendant of immigrants" .... surely batsman will be pleased.
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 02:59:34
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 02:59:34
cruzeiro - you are a nobody as far as Beyonce is concerned. Tell me when you get a reply. heeheehee. - better still broadcast to the whole world. heeheehee
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 02:56:26
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 02:56:26
Dear Jan, there is something auspicious about the number 7. How's about only 7th generation descendents of immigrants be considered truly settled? heeheehee
BTW - ever hear of EU no restriction on travel and residence? Unfortunately if you try to enter EU, you find it applies to EU citizens only. Ever hear of the Malay Archipelago? heeheehee
BTW - ever hear of EU no restriction on travel and residence? Unfortunately if you try to enter EU, you find it applies to EU citizens only. Ever hear of the Malay Archipelago? heeheehee
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written by fendyoasis, November 02, 2009 02:55:30
written by fendyoasis, November 02, 2009 02:55:30
batsman,
We are on the same boat, my comment can not be seen anymore. Well, no worries, the lower vote u get, the more intrigued people want to read about it. So they voted us off from the commentary section, what else is new? I got used to it already, dont know if im going to renew my membership here in MT though.
We are on the same boat, my comment can not be seen anymore. Well, no worries, the lower vote u get, the more intrigued people want to read about it. So they voted us off from the commentary section, what else is new? I got used to it already, dont know if im going to renew my membership here in MT though.
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written by temenggong, November 02, 2009 02:55:04
written by temenggong, November 02, 2009 02:55:04
If that's the case my mother also can perform in a niqab, very well may I add!
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written by cruzeiro, November 02, 2009 02:51:21
written by cruzeiro, November 02, 2009 02:51:21
fendy,
I'm shooting off an email to Beyonce to perform in a niqab - I'm sure it wouldn't offend anybody ..... that should do it.
I'll add a p.s. that it was great wisdom from you ....
I'm shooting off an email to Beyonce to perform in a niqab - I'm sure it wouldn't offend anybody ..... that should do it.
I'll add a p.s. that it was great wisdom from you ....
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written by Jan, November 02, 2009 02:47:44
written by Jan, November 02, 2009 02:47:44
Tian Chua's family were here 500 years ago. Khir Toyo's family were here less than a hundred years. Apparently Tian Chua is made out to be a decendant of immigrants and his kind is not even allowed to be GM of a state GLC while Khir is a bumiputra and can be a state MB. Isn't this preposterous?
We are not trying to exclude new immigrants but we do condemn trying to exclude old immigrants but include new ones.
We are not trying to exclude new immigrants but we do condemn trying to exclude old immigrants but include new ones.
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 02:46:56
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 02:46:56
Dear fendyoasis - You may be right about Beyonce - I don't follow closely. I hope the dictatorship of the pseudo liberals is not applied to your comment.
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 02:44:26
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 02:44:26
Dear EMG first time - notice the dictatorship of the pseudo liberals being applied here?
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written by emg385, November 02, 2009 02:41:43
written by emg385, November 02, 2009 02:41:43
Dear Batsman again,
According to UMNO and Utusan, criticizing the excesses and abuses in the Govt,Civil service and Police is equal to criticizing the Malays and questioning "ketuanan Melayu."
According to Batsman, Non-Malays criticizing PAS Selangor's idiotic leaders and PAS Youth is equivalent to questioning Islam and Challenging Islam's Status..is it? In that case all votes from Non-Muslim to PAS should be categorised as "Haram" as it seems we cannot voice out our views after casting our Votes! So the "Friends For all " Party only welcome our votes but not our Criticisms!!!
By the way,I am not an UMNO member or UMNO cybertrooper! Just a Malaysian who detests Hypocrites that seem to proliferate in Malaysia-Today nowadays!
According to UMNO and Utusan, criticizing the excesses and abuses in the Govt,Civil service and Police is equal to criticizing the Malays and questioning "ketuanan Melayu."
According to Batsman, Non-Malays criticizing PAS Selangor's idiotic leaders and PAS Youth is equivalent to questioning Islam and Challenging Islam's Status..is it? In that case all votes from Non-Muslim to PAS should be categorised as "Haram" as it seems we cannot voice out our views after casting our Votes! So the "Friends For all " Party only welcome our votes but not our Criticisms!!!
By the way,I am not an UMNO member or UMNO cybertrooper! Just a Malaysian who detests Hypocrites that seem to proliferate in Malaysia-Today nowadays!
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written by fendyoasis, November 02, 2009 02:37:02
written by fendyoasis, November 02, 2009 02:37:02
Batsman,
A very good article..thanks for writing this piece up, but one thing i disagree with U is about the Beyonce thing.
If you read my posts, Im all for PAS, so no worries, Im not an UMNO cybertrooper like some of the MT readers claim that I am. Well, in the Beyonce issue, I cant respect her at all, U look at Gwen Stefani, Avril, etc, they all respect us, our custom and so follow the guidelines to perform decently, this Beyonce last time "merajuk" skip Malaysia and perform in Indonesia instead as a sign of protest, as If Indonseia is much safer than Malaysia, I mean what that the hell?! Now she is doing it again, and people blame PAS for this and defended Beyonce, WHAT? Beyonce is an arrogant singer. Beyonce has disappointed her fans and the fans in Malaysia say its all PAS fault. Blame Beyonce la wei, she does not care for anyones feelings, not her fans, not the muslim malaysians, not anybody but herself. U guys who are still dreaming about Beyonce are just pure anti Islam.
Look at Angelina Jolie, she went to Pakistan (or was it Afghanistan?) last time wearing a headscarf as a UN ambassador and as a mark of respect to the people of Pakistan. This is the kind of artist that we should welcome in Malaysia. I remebered Anastacia also covered herself up in Malaysia as well about, probably 10 years ago if i remember it correctly when she wanted to perform. An interviewer in MTV once asked Anastacia why was she all covered up here in the interviewing room? I dont remember exactly what she say but she answered somehow in the line of that she respected Malaysias customs. Good for U then.
A very good article..thanks for writing this piece up, but one thing i disagree with U is about the Beyonce thing.
If you read my posts, Im all for PAS, so no worries, Im not an UMNO cybertrooper like some of the MT readers claim that I am. Well, in the Beyonce issue, I cant respect her at all, U look at Gwen Stefani, Avril, etc, they all respect us, our custom and so follow the guidelines to perform decently, this Beyonce last time "merajuk" skip Malaysia and perform in Indonesia instead as a sign of protest, as If Indonseia is much safer than Malaysia, I mean what that the hell?! Now she is doing it again, and people blame PAS for this and defended Beyonce, WHAT? Beyonce is an arrogant singer. Beyonce has disappointed her fans and the fans in Malaysia say its all PAS fault. Blame Beyonce la wei, she does not care for anyones feelings, not her fans, not the muslim malaysians, not anybody but herself. U guys who are still dreaming about Beyonce are just pure anti Islam.
Look at Angelina Jolie, she went to Pakistan (or was it Afghanistan?) last time wearing a headscarf as a UN ambassador and as a mark of respect to the people of Pakistan. This is the kind of artist that we should welcome in Malaysia. I remebered Anastacia also covered herself up in Malaysia as well about, probably 10 years ago if i remember it correctly when she wanted to perform. An interviewer in MTV once asked Anastacia why was she all covered up here in the interviewing room? I dont remember exactly what she say but she answered somehow in the line of that she respected Malaysias customs. Good for U then.
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 02:24:16
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 02:24:16
Old immigrants trying to re-define "immigrants" so that new immigrants can be excluded. What a pile of crap!
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 02:21:50
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 02:21:50
alamak - too many comments to handle. Overwhelmed, but spare me the grandmother, grandfather stories pleeeese!
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written by BobSam, November 02, 2009 02:10:23
written by BobSam, November 02, 2009 02:10:23
Very interesting. I like the way u codify Natives and Immigrants. In ur eg, Khir Toyo, whose father was born in Indonesia, is a Native as is Syed Hamid Albar, whose Yemeni father was also born in Indonesia. I guess you also consider Syed Hamid a Native.
Me on the other hand, was born in Malaysia. My Grandmother was born in Malaysia, whilst her Grandfather was invited by the Raja Perak to start a hospital in Kuala Kangsar to treat the royalty and peasants who were dying of illnesses. My Grandmother's father was his father's Hospital Assistant. So 5 generations have been in Malaysia, although only 3 were born in Malaysia. But in ur definition I m an immigrant. Whilst Khir Toyo and Syed Hamid are natives, even though they are the only chaps born in Malaysia.
When did you pay your RM1 life membership to UMNO?
Me on the other hand, was born in Malaysia. My Grandmother was born in Malaysia, whilst her Grandfather was invited by the Raja Perak to start a hospital in Kuala Kangsar to treat the royalty and peasants who were dying of illnesses. My Grandmother's father was his father's Hospital Assistant. So 5 generations have been in Malaysia, although only 3 were born in Malaysia. But in ur definition I m an immigrant. Whilst Khir Toyo and Syed Hamid are natives, even though they are the only chaps born in Malaysia.
When did you pay your RM1 life membership to UMNO?
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written by temenggong, November 02, 2009 02:09:41
written by temenggong, November 02, 2009 02:09:41
According to Batsman's dictionary, 'immigrant' means pendatang baru, and 'native' means pendatang lama.
Pendatang Lama, I think you are misunderstanding the meaning of 'rights'. Regarding sexy shows, pendatang baru may exercise their rights to view such shows and pendatang lama may refrain from exercising their rights to viewing such shows. Same thing with beers - exercise or not exercise their rights to sale and consumption.
Rights means the unrestrained freedom to exercise their rights, or not! Rights does not mean one may prevent others from exercising their rights!
Pendatang Lama, I think you are misunderstanding the meaning of 'rights'. Regarding sexy shows, pendatang baru may exercise their rights to view such shows and pendatang lama may refrain from exercising their rights to viewing such shows. Same thing with beers - exercise or not exercise their rights to sale and consumption.
Rights means the unrestrained freedom to exercise their rights, or not! Rights does not mean one may prevent others from exercising their rights!
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written by POKKU, November 02, 2009 02:07:06
Agree with you. I also think that this cybertroopers had manage to infected the mind of some of MT readers. To a certain extent, the mind of the Admin also that's why they blackout any view which is in oppose to theirs by labeling 'lowly rated comment'.
written by POKKU, November 02, 2009 02:07:06
I think MT is riddled with BN cybertroopers who pose as commentators.
Agree with you. I also think that this cybertroopers had manage to infected the mind of some of MT readers. To a certain extent, the mind of the Admin also that's why they blackout any view which is in oppose to theirs by labeling 'lowly rated comment'.
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written by emg385, November 02, 2009 02:00:20
written by emg385, November 02, 2009 02:00:20
Dear Batsman,
Would you agree if in future all concerts by foreign artistes be labelled "For Non-Muslims only"? So PAS and its Young Turks will not have to protest and Non-Muslims would not have to feel its rights being trampelled on. Or would you feel that the Muslims are being discriminated against by having these concerts for Non-Muslims only?Why should Muslims care that the Non-Muslims are "going to hell" anyway..it is our right whether we want to go to "Hell" or not and not to be decided by the "Muslims" disguised as Friends For All!!!
Would you agree if in future all concerts by foreign artistes be labelled "For Non-Muslims only"? So PAS and its Young Turks will not have to protest and Non-Muslims would not have to feel its rights being trampelled on. Or would you feel that the Muslims are being discriminated against by having these concerts for Non-Muslims only?Why should Muslims care that the Non-Muslims are "going to hell" anyway..it is our right whether we want to go to "Hell" or not and not to be decided by the "Muslims" disguised as Friends For All!!!
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written by cruzeiro, November 02, 2009 01:54:52
written by cruzeiro, November 02, 2009 01:54:52
Batsman,
I think you have confused "anti-PAS" to be "anti-Islam". On top of that, you've "added salt to the wound" by referring to non-Bumis and "doi".
Just whom do you classify as "doi"? 1st generation Malaysians, or those who have non-Malay cultures?
I think you've got to be clear on these matters before you proceed to other matters which have distorted your perspectives ...
Cheers, mate!
I think you have confused "anti-PAS" to be "anti-Islam". On top of that, you've "added salt to the wound" by referring to non-Bumis and "doi".
Just whom do you classify as "doi"? 1st generation Malaysians, or those who have non-Malay cultures?
I think you've got to be clear on these matters before you proceed to other matters which have distorted your perspectives ...
Cheers, mate!
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written by sydput, November 02, 2009 01:52:28
written by sydput, November 02, 2009 01:52:28
If we accomodate the desire of "majority natives", shops would close at 5pm, huge public funds would be allocated to the building of mosques, which is of little economic benefit and no returns financially, the citizens of this country will end up like "zombies", the walking dead.
Entertainment, like concerts and rock shows, brings huge economic benefit in terms of jobs and monetary transaction. Because of the majority native attitudes, this segment of the industry is closed to malays and rock bands are discouraged from performing in public places. So malay rock bands very diddicult to earn a living!
malays are their onw worse enemies when it come to helping their own types. They will use govenrment funds to create a business to compete unfairly, destroying other legitimate businesses.
Entertainment, like concerts and rock shows, brings huge economic benefit in terms of jobs and monetary transaction. Because of the majority native attitudes, this segment of the industry is closed to malays and rock bands are discouraged from performing in public places. So malay rock bands very diddicult to earn a living!
malays are their onw worse enemies when it come to helping their own types. They will use govenrment funds to create a business to compete unfairly, destroying other legitimate businesses.
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written by peace, November 02, 2009 01:44:39
written by peace, November 02, 2009 01:44:39
"The Chinese and Indians were once immigrants too. Now they are full-fledged citizens with voting rights."
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I TOTALLY disagreed with the statement above, what about the Malay? They are PENDATANG too from Java, India and etc ... The legitimate local are the native in this land.
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I TOTALLY disagreed with the statement above, what about the Malay? They are PENDATANG too from Java, India and etc ... The legitimate local are the native in this land.
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written by batsman, November 02, 2009 01:44:19
written by batsman, November 02, 2009 01:44:19
Fat Zorro - consult the dictionary
hellosunshine - the above write up is for intelligent thinking persons only. TQ
hellosunshine - the above write up is for intelligent thinking persons only. TQ
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written by hellosunshine, November 02, 2009 01:30:38
written by hellosunshine, November 02, 2009 01:30:38
Hello batsman, why did you keep harping on the description 'descendants of immigrants' (doi) to identify the Chinese or Indian Malaysians? I am not an umno cybertrooper but I suspect that you are. Why still be a racist with Malays this and Malays that? As you may be aware but chose to ignore, most of the 'doi' condemned the munafik Muslims and not Islam. Your insult that the 'doi' are without intelligence for opposing the 'small issues' like beer, 'sexy' concerts (MLTR?) and condoms is a gross insult to the 'doi'. Who are the morons who started these 'small issues'???
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written by Fat Zorro, November 02, 2009 01:20:50
written by Fat Zorro, November 02, 2009 01:20:50
"So the descendents of immigrants have to be smart. They cannot afford to piss off the natives who still form the majority."
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I would appreciate your further clarification on the meaning of "decendents of immigrants" and "the natives" respectively and the differences between these 2 classification. Thank you.
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I would appreciate your further clarification on the meaning of "decendents of immigrants" and "the natives" respectively and the differences between these 2 classification. Thank you.
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written by Bigjoe99, November 02, 2009 00:55:22
written by Bigjoe99, November 02, 2009 00:55:22
A good piece at an appropriate time. The truth is the main difference between DAP and PAS is the legal/constitutional agenda of Islamic state. As far as encouraging Islamic practises whether its building mosque. modest dressing, or discouraging drinking or sexuality is concern, DAP is all for it. All DAP and non-Muslim want is not to have PAS and Islamic zealots resort to legal and constitutional means to deal with it as the first and frequent resort. Their view is that its taking the easy way out of such difficult issues with long term and wide consequences by using legal/constitutional and political means. Such issues are difficult issue and many other means should be used including social programs which DAP and most non-Muslims are willing to cooperate in. Legal and constitutional means should BE LAST RESORT!
DAP is not against imposing modesty in concert. Its against banning it as the first thing to do. Banning it is for political reason particularly the careers and self-indulgence of those that lead such ideas. Similarly DAP is not against controlling/discouraging alcohol. Banning and seizing it has been proven not to work (Prohibition comes to mind) and have great economic consequences, counter productive as well as depriving people's right. If a a system of monitoring and control is in place, a doable feat, it not only gives everyone what they want BUT also build something substantial in terms of an agency/dept and a system that points the way to such problems.
Yes, no point getting riled up over issues just because people can't help themselves and weak. Indulgence, self-grandiose and self-promotion is natural. The way to deal it is not to overeact but be logical and disciplined about it.
DAP is not against imposing modesty in concert. Its against banning it as the first thing to do. Banning it is for political reason particularly the careers and self-indulgence of those that lead such ideas. Similarly DAP is not against controlling/discouraging alcohol. Banning and seizing it has been proven not to work (Prohibition comes to mind) and have great economic consequences, counter productive as well as depriving people's right. If a a system of monitoring and control is in place, a doable feat, it not only gives everyone what they want BUT also build something substantial in terms of an agency/dept and a system that points the way to such problems.
Yes, no point getting riled up over issues just because people can't help themselves and weak. Indulgence, self-grandiose and self-promotion is natural. The way to deal it is not to overeact but be logical and disciplined about it.
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Theres nothing more BN cybertrooper than a pervert who champions to legalize prostitutes and wanting Malaysia to be a part of Singapore...and get positive votes from his perverted CTs friends, and in case ur a dumba$$ and dont get who I mean, its U.