Are the engines in Argentina, Uruguay or Iran? (UPDATED with Chinese translation)
In December last year, Malaysia Today said that the two ‘stolen’ jet engines may not have been stolen after all but had been sold. And Malaysia Today also said that the engines may not be in Argentina or Uruguay but could be in Iran. This is the information we received from military ‘insiders’. The Minister of Defence responded by alleging that military personnel are leaking ‘secrets’ to foreign embassies.
THE CORRIDORS OF POWER
Raja Petra Kamarudin
How do two stolen jet fighter engines get from the United States, to Malaysia, then to Argentina, Uruguay and finally to Iran? No one is entirely sure just yet. But the two engines are still in the wind, and no other air force, except Iran's, would touch them two (their parts numbers are in the hands of police everywhere).
It all began last December, when Malaysia began an investigation into the theft of two General Electric J85-21A jet engines in 2007 and 2008. Each of the six F-5 fighters used by the air force uses a pair of these engines. Packed for shipping, the engine would be a box about eight feet long and weighing half a ton.
At first, the 37-year old engines were believed shipped out of the country, from a Malaysian air base, and sold into the black market. It was thought that the most likely customer would be Iran, which would probably pay a million dollars, or more, for it. Iran has been under arms embargos for decades, and is desperate to obtain spare parts.
Iran has about sixty F-5 fighters, purchased in the 1970s. Iran has used the F-5 as the model for domestically designed and built aircraft. So they are definitely in the market for J85-21A engines.
For a while, it was believed that the engines never left the country, but were instead taken apart, and the components sold to a South American broker, or back to the Malaysian Air Force. But eventually, the theft was traced to an air force sergeant and a businessman, who had shipped the engines to Argentina, and then to Uruguay.
This, oddly enough, puts the engines in danger of getting smuggled to Iran. That's because Iran has had agents operating in this part of South America.
Pro-Iranian terror group Hezbollah has long been involved in the drug business in this neighbourhood. That gives these Iran-backed Islamic terrorists access to the narcotics smuggling routes that can move anything, or anyone, just about anywhere.
The Iran-sponsored Lebanese group has long been involved in narcotics and people smuggling in South America's tri-border (Paraguay, Argentina and Brazil) region. This area has long been a hotbed of illicit activity, and too many politicians and police commanders are on the take from gangsters to change this. The tri-border region is just north of Uruguay.
At the moment, the government of Uruguay is cooperating with Malaysian police to track down the missing jet engines.
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written by SoundMan, February 09, 2010 23:43:11
written by SoundMan, February 09, 2010 23:43:11
Nobody trusts the Malays, that is why the had to have a mamak as PM for so long...stupid!
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written by Aduh, February 09, 2010 14:28:52
written by Aduh, February 09, 2010 14:28:52
This case no doubt is serious enough to warrant a lot of hue and cry.
But do net let it distract our attention from the much more serious ones - Altantuya murder, submarine kick back and sodomy 2, just to mention a few.
But do net let it distract our attention from the much more serious ones - Altantuya murder, submarine kick back and sodomy 2, just to mention a few.
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written by Aria, February 09, 2010 12:05:44
Specification of Northrop F-5E Tiger II:
Engines: Two General Electric J85-GE-21A turbojets, 3280 lb.s.t. normal maximum thrust, 3500 lb.s.t. maximum military power, 5000 lb.s.t. with afterburning.
Performance: Maximum speed: Mach 1.63 at 36,000 feet. Maximum cruising speed without afterburning: Mach 0.98 at 36,000 feet. Stalling speed 143 mph with flaps extended.
Service ceiling: 51,800 feet. Initial climb rate: 34,500 feet per minute at combat weight of 13,350 pounds.
Takeoff run: 2000 feet at weight of 15,550 pounds. Takeoff run: 5700 feet at maximum takeoff weight of 24,676 pounds. Landing run from 50 feet without braking parachute was 4650 feet at weight of 11,530 pounds. Landing run with brake chute was 2500 feet at 11,530 pounds.
Range with maximum fuel was 1543 miles. Combat radius with 5200-pound ordnance load, maximum fuel, and two Sidewinders 195 miles. Combat radius with maximum fuel and 2 Sidewinder missiles 656 miles.
Fuel: Total internal fuel capacity of 677 US gallons. One 150 or 275 US gallon drop tank could be carried on the fuselage centerline pylon and on the inboard underwing pylon. bringing total fuel capacity to 1502 US gallons. There is provision for inflight refuelling by means of a detachable probe.
Dimensions: wingspan 26 feet 8 inches, length 48 feet 2 inches, height 13 feet 4 inches, wing area 186 square feet.
Weights: 9683 pounds empty, 13,350 pounds combat, 15,745 pounds gross, 24,676 pounds maximum takeoff.
Armament: Two 20-mm Pontaic (Colt-Browning) M39A2 cannon with 280 rpg in the fuselage nose. Two AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles could be carried at the wingtips. Five pylons, one under the fuselage centerline and four under the wings that can carry up to 7000 pounds of ordnance or fuel tanks.
By Syed Akbar Ali
I think the last statement by Zahid is balloney. The F5E is outdated. The only country that still flies them operationally is Iran (and maybe one or two others – mostly for training). In Malaysia the F5Es were last used for photo reconnaisance and combat training. We also have FA-18 Hornets, Sukhois and MIG-29s fighters.
There is little demand for the F5E engine parts overseas. It is also too small an operation (just one F5E engine) to involve foreign countries. I dont know on what basis Zahid would make such a statement.
I think the cake was baked and eaten here.
written by Aria, February 09, 2010 12:05:44
Specification of Northrop F-5E Tiger II:
Engines: Two General Electric J85-GE-21A turbojets, 3280 lb.s.t. normal maximum thrust, 3500 lb.s.t. maximum military power, 5000 lb.s.t. with afterburning.
Performance: Maximum speed: Mach 1.63 at 36,000 feet. Maximum cruising speed without afterburning: Mach 0.98 at 36,000 feet. Stalling speed 143 mph with flaps extended.
Service ceiling: 51,800 feet. Initial climb rate: 34,500 feet per minute at combat weight of 13,350 pounds.
Takeoff run: 2000 feet at weight of 15,550 pounds. Takeoff run: 5700 feet at maximum takeoff weight of 24,676 pounds. Landing run from 50 feet without braking parachute was 4650 feet at weight of 11,530 pounds. Landing run with brake chute was 2500 feet at 11,530 pounds.
Range with maximum fuel was 1543 miles. Combat radius with 5200-pound ordnance load, maximum fuel, and two Sidewinders 195 miles. Combat radius with maximum fuel and 2 Sidewinder missiles 656 miles.
Fuel: Total internal fuel capacity of 677 US gallons. One 150 or 275 US gallon drop tank could be carried on the fuselage centerline pylon and on the inboard underwing pylon. bringing total fuel capacity to 1502 US gallons. There is provision for inflight refuelling by means of a detachable probe.
Dimensions: wingspan 26 feet 8 inches, length 48 feet 2 inches, height 13 feet 4 inches, wing area 186 square feet.
Weights: 9683 pounds empty, 13,350 pounds combat, 15,745 pounds gross, 24,676 pounds maximum takeoff.
Armament: Two 20-mm Pontaic (Colt-Browning) M39A2 cannon with 280 rpg in the fuselage nose. Two AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles could be carried at the wingtips. Five pylons, one under the fuselage centerline and four under the wings that can carry up to 7000 pounds of ordnance or fuel tanks.
By Syed Akbar Ali
I think the last statement by Zahid is balloney. The F5E is outdated. The only country that still flies them operationally is Iran (and maybe one or two others – mostly for training). In Malaysia the F5Es were last used for photo reconnaisance and combat training. We also have FA-18 Hornets, Sukhois and MIG-29s fighters.
There is little demand for the F5E engine parts overseas. It is also too small an operation (just one F5E engine) to involve foreign countries. I dont know on what basis Zahid would make such a statement.
I think the cake was baked and eaten here.
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written by malgal, February 09, 2010 10:50:50
written by malgal, February 09, 2010 10:50:50
well our pm has dismissed the missing engines as non-strategic.
does he mean to allay the nation's (and taxpayers' money) distress at the bumbling, fumbling defence ministry's ineptitude?
whatever the excuse, we still want answers and our money back. every little bit helps.
does he mean to allay the nation's (and taxpayers' money) distress at the bumbling, fumbling defence ministry's ineptitude?
whatever the excuse, we still want answers and our money back. every little bit helps.
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written by greenpeas, February 09, 2010 09:18:47
written by greenpeas, February 09, 2010 09:18:47
My 'sauce' tells me that we should check out our 1Malaysia F1 cars. Perhaps the engines were stripped down then modified for the race tracks. Expect our F1 cars to get off to a 'flying' start come F1 season!!! Malaysia Boleh!
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written by Fart Fart Wah, February 09, 2010 09:07:59
written by Fart Fart Wah, February 09, 2010 09:07:59
That is why it is so stupid to believe that 2 stupid Indians could have so much power and contacts to do the job. These two Indians are used as the fall guys. In actual fact the engines have bee removed with the full knowledge of the generals and the then defense Minister and the Mamak. The mamak never liked America so he must have sabotaged the USA by closing one eye....which is a common thing among UMOOONO MOOOlayus...to make money. It is like stealing the panties off the fat lady.(.gee can you imagine to pull it off from her fat ass)...and all the while najeeb is snoring?????or whoring???
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written by Aria, February 09, 2010 07:25:03
written by Aria, February 09, 2010 07:25:03
Does the Malaysia police really want to find the crooks behind the missing jet engines? No!....because it has UMNOPutra written all over it. This is now all a scam to delay and confuse the people so that the crooks can get away. The police the military, the judiciary and the media are all under UMNO so they just using them to put a smoke screen while they rob Malaysia. If we don’t get rid of UMNO we Malaysians will have nothing left in this country.
People say that during the colonial time the British robbed Malaysia, but it is nothing compared to how UMNO is robbing Malaysia.
People say that during the colonial time the British robbed Malaysia, but it is nothing compared to how UMNO is robbing Malaysia.
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written by NSTPravda, February 09, 2010 06:15:12
written by NSTPravda, February 09, 2010 06:15:12
How do two stolen jet fighter engines get from the United States, to Malaysia, then to Argentina, Uruguay and finally to Iran?
Elementary Matson, who pays the best, wins.
Packed for shipping, the engine would be a box about eight feet long and weighing half a ton.
That’s why we need only 3 keling rank and file to walk off with them in their hip pockets
At the moment, the government of Uruguay is cooperating with Malaysian police to track down the missing jet engines.
... which may be flying over Iran as we speak.
$emua-nya OK if one could swear on the Qur’an skilfully!
Elementary Matson, who pays the best, wins.
Packed for shipping, the engine would be a box about eight feet long and weighing half a ton.
That’s why we need only 3 keling rank and file to walk off with them in their hip pockets
At the moment, the government of Uruguay is cooperating with Malaysian police to track down the missing jet engines.
... which may be flying over Iran as we speak.
$emua-nya OK if one could swear on the Qur’an skilfully!
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written by storm62, February 08, 2010 23:49:38
written by storm62, February 08, 2010 23:49:38
hello najis, since you said the engines are very2 old and out dated, why go after the engine?
you should go after the thieves and punished them, don't waste the tax payers money going after the old engines........how stupid of you !!!
otherwise spend more time to prosecute that melayu india from kerala who stole billions from Malaysia.
you should go after the thieves and punished them, don't waste the tax payers money going after the old engines........how stupid of you !!!
otherwise spend more time to prosecute that melayu india from kerala who stole billions from Malaysia.
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written by eloofk, February 08, 2010 22:43:10
written by eloofk, February 08, 2010 22:43:10
No, the jet engines are not in Argentina, Uruguay or Iran. They are stripped into various parts here in Malaysia and inside the pockets of the UMNOputras and their protectors like the AG and the P.I.G. Logically, if their pockets can fill "billions," what is a few millions to each of them?
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written by Motherchell, February 08, 2010 22:30:45
written by Motherchell, February 08, 2010 22:30:45
Oh Pete!, what a business strategy of a " Courier "business of the UMNO kind.
Here assuming DHL or Federal Express was chosen as the forwarding agents , and the Sargent was just the air force base dispatch clerk. The Real Crooks who hold Tan Sris and Datuks just get these guys to move the objects . In the end --- the ones who are charged for the theft is the innocent Sargent and Courier company ----using this method --- the whole country is being robbed by UMNO with the help of window dressing by Patail and Gang with the help of the rodent Musaaa.
Im still wondering if the subs we bought is actually in the Persian Gulf or S. of Malacca?? if you ask the hyenas they would say ---Rahsia!
I would love to ask Baginda this on his Graduation Day!!
Najib is in for a surprise from the US. Every engine serial which is laser cut and can be satellite tracked, is monitored separately by a division in the Defense Dept. Lets see if Najis can be taught what sodomy is with a 1 tonne engine by the NSC.
Here assuming DHL or Federal Express was chosen as the forwarding agents , and the Sargent was just the air force base dispatch clerk. The Real Crooks who hold Tan Sris and Datuks just get these guys to move the objects . In the end --- the ones who are charged for the theft is the innocent Sargent and Courier company ----using this method --- the whole country is being robbed by UMNO with the help of window dressing by Patail and Gang with the help of the rodent Musaaa.
Im still wondering if the subs we bought is actually in the Persian Gulf or S. of Malacca?? if you ask the hyenas they would say ---Rahsia!
I would love to ask Baginda this on his Graduation Day!!
Najib is in for a surprise from the US. Every engine serial which is laser cut and can be satellite tracked, is monitored separately by a division in the Defense Dept. Lets see if Najis can be taught what sodomy is with a 1 tonne engine by the NSC.
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written by DreamLady, February 08, 2010 22:28:38
written by DreamLady, February 08, 2010 22:28:38
The UMNO goons are fooling around with the Law of Average, imagine the many lies they have to conceal, the umpteen irregularities they try to hide, but it is impossible the shut the mouths of 28 million Malaysians. Sooner or later, the dam is going to burst, and I bet it is not going to be a pretty sight for the goons to witness, Hell shall break loose, and they practically become nuts!!!!
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written by savemalaysia, February 08, 2010 22:19:36
written by savemalaysia, February 08, 2010 22:19:36
Common sense will tell you that the jet engines are in Iran and not other countries. Iran still has some Norththrop F5E tiger II jet fighters , acquired during Shah Dynasty but could not get the spare parts from the open market due to UN sanctions. So it is rubbish to say that there are found in Uruguay.
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written by PeacefulMalaysia, February 08, 2010 22:15:57
written by PeacefulMalaysia, February 08, 2010 22:15:57
What surprises me is that the Armed Forces is basically 90% Malays and almost all the top brass are Malays.
How come an Indian who is just a serjant can take 2 jet engines out of a tight security area?
My only humble conclusion is that somebodies MUST have been bought or
All the Malays in that base were sleeping or had the "tidak apa attitude"
So do you think we can trust the Malays with anything ?
My guess is as good as yours.
How come an Indian who is just a serjant can take 2 jet engines out of a tight security area?
My only humble conclusion is that somebodies MUST have been bought or
All the Malays in that base were sleeping or had the "tidak apa attitude"
So do you think we can trust the Malays with anything ?
My guess is as good as yours.
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