Actually, we have already decided how Teoh Beng Hock, Kugan, Ahmad Sarbaini, and many more died. Sure we want a RCI to be held. But we want the RCI to come out with a verdict that dovetails with what we have already decided had happened. And if the RCI contradicts what we believe, then we are going to raise hell.
NO HOLDS BARRED
Raja Petra Kamarudin
Inquiry results not to be questioned: Malaysian PM
KANGAR - Conclusions made by the Malaysian Royal Commission of Inquiry (RCI) into opposition aide Teoh Beng Hock's death should not be questioned as this will only defeat its purpose, said Malaysian Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak.
He said the RCI was an independent body, which had been set up with the Yang Di-Pertuan Agong's consent and made up of individuals with high credibility to investigate the matter openly.
“What is the purpose of setting up the RCI if its findings are questioned? There are groups which questioned it because they are unhappy with the findings.”
“They have made their own conclusion and they wanted the RCI's report to reflect their thinking and demands. That is unfair.”
“The truth remains the truth whether it is bitter or easy for us to accept. We can't deny the truth,” he said after meeting the Perlis Barisan Nasional leaders yesterday.
The Commission had concluded that Teoh was driven to commit suicide due to intensive interrogation by Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) officers. -- THE STAR/ANN
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Prime Minister Najib Tun Razak has a point here. The problem is when he said “…should not be questioned…”.
Anything can be questioned. To say “…should not be questioned…” is just like England of 500 years ago. When you questioned the church or the King you would be arrested, tied to a stake, and burned alive. Surely we have come a long way since then from the days when everything “…should not be questioned…”?
Nevertheless, what Najib said was true on the other part of his statement. If the RCI had come out with a verdict that we like we would have applauded its findings. We would have praised the RCI to kingdom come.
When the Shah Alam High Court allowed my habeas corpus and ordered my release from detention in November 2008, the judge was one fantastic guy. If he had rejected my application and ruled that I should remain in Kamunting, then the judge is an arsehole who is corrupted and is in Umno’s pocket.
That is how we think.
Okay, we demand a RCI on the Ahmad Sarbaini Mohamed death. Say the government does hold the RCI as what we want. And say the RCI comes out with a verdict that he died while trying to escape through the third floor window. Would we be satisfied or would we be up in arms? Say, instead, the RCI comes out with a verdict that he was killed while under interrogation. Would that satisfy us and would we praise the RCI to high heavens?
Actually, we have already decided how Teoh Beng Hock, Kugan, Ahmad Sarbaini, and many more died. Sure we want a RCI to be held. But we want the RCI to come out with a verdict that dovetails with what we have already decided had happened. And if the RCI contradicts what we believe, then we are going to raise hell.
This makes it very difficult, of course. What we want is not a RCI to determine the truth, whatever that may be. What we want is a RCI to confirm what we believe.
If we already believe what happened then why not we just go on and believe this? Why bother to ask for a RCI to be held when we know the RCI is going to rule against what we believe?
The chances of the RCI coming out with a verdict the same as what we believe is very slim. The chances of the RCI coming out with a verdict that we don’t believe is very likely.
So why bother?
Many believe Anwar is innocent of the allegations of sodomy and the porn tape and what have you. If that is what we believe then let it be. Let’s not bother with an inquiry or investigation or whatever because the chances would be the findings or verdict will not be what we want.
Let me put it this way: if you already believe that there is a God in Heaven and that when we die we would go to either Heaven or Hell and Muhammad or Jesus or whoever is our Prophet and there is no changing our mind on this matter, does it serve any purpose talking about this matter?
If I tell you I believe what you believe, you will be extremely happy. And if I tell you that you are talking crap and what you believe is a myth, you will be terribly unhappy.
In short, you do not wish to discuss or debate this issue. You want me to agree with you and not contradict you. Better we just avoid the issue and not talk about it then.
You get my drift?
Translated into Chinese at: http://ccliew.blogspot.com/2011/07/blog-post_9600.html
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written by Rodins Fist, July 26, 2011 00:59:09
written by Rodins Fist, July 26, 2011 00:59:09
To me it's simple. TBH was in custody of MACC. IF i commit suicide while under MACC then MACC is at fault, they should prevent my death. Or, IF i was dangled out the window and slipped out of MACC officer grip, then MACC still at fault, they should not cause my death. The difference is like: leaving my car engine running with a child inside the car, Or driving into a pedestrian. Either way, the MACC is a fatally dangerous place to be. And (here it is) MACC is at fault for the death of TBH.
Someone should go to prison. This is what people want: blood payment.
Someone should go to prison. This is what people want: blood payment.
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written by lakian, July 25, 2011 20:11:56
written by lakian, July 25, 2011 20:11:56
if i fcuk you by force,is this raping?
just assume the verdit is truth,so TBH commited sucide by force,should he willingly jumps off from 14th flr?
the RCI finding were right and every one happy.but the verdit didn't match.that is the point.
just assume the verdit is truth,so TBH commited sucide by force,should he willingly jumps off from 14th flr?
the RCI finding were right and every one happy.but the verdit didn't match.that is the point.
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written by IbnAbdHalim, July 25, 2011 17:52:22
written by IbnAbdHalim, July 25, 2011 17:52:22
"Teoh Beng Hock committed suicide." Is that the truth? My foot! He was MURDERED by MACC. So were many more.
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written by SamYap, July 25, 2011 16:17:08
written by SamYap, July 25, 2011 16:17:08
Yeah lah! Our PM is right.
But (I love this wonderful word - but), I recall that lawyer fella, Lingam who cavorted and holidayed with the judges etc, he was not too happy with the RCI's conclusion about his relationship and influence with the judges. He is challenging the RCI's findings in the court.
So whats wrong if some of us are challenging or querying or doubtful about the RCI findings on TBH's death?
All of us, whether for or against are entitled to our biased opinions about such matters, especially after having being lied to by politicians from BN for 50 years (and recently Pakatan politicians also seemed to have a penchant to tell half truths, no outright lies yet until they come into power eh?)
But (I love this wonderful word - but), I recall that lawyer fella, Lingam who cavorted and holidayed with the judges etc, he was not too happy with the RCI's conclusion about his relationship and influence with the judges. He is challenging the RCI's findings in the court.
So whats wrong if some of us are challenging or querying or doubtful about the RCI findings on TBH's death?
All of us, whether for or against are entitled to our biased opinions about such matters, especially after having being lied to by politicians from BN for 50 years (and recently Pakatan politicians also seemed to have a penchant to tell half truths, no outright lies yet until they come into power eh?)
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written by JJFoo, July 25, 2011 13:45:38
written by JJFoo, July 25, 2011 13:45:38
Justice wise this is a forsaken nation. Thanks to UMNO/BN. Clearly, none of us are safe.
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written by StevenO, July 25, 2011 12:19:37
written by StevenO, July 25, 2011 12:19:37
Something to add. Till today, for example, no one knows who gave the orders to release the controlled explosives called C4. And till today, they can't establish any motive for the murder. The guilty are personal are none other than the bodyguard who work for Najib and Rosmah Mansor. This really stink to high heaven!
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written by StevenO, July 25, 2011 12:05:49
written by StevenO, July 25, 2011 12:05:49
Najib talk too much, especially about independence this, independence that. Free this, free that, fair this, fair that. How about setting up some kind of commission to investigate on the murder of Altantuya? No need to be a Royal one with King's consent and all that jazz, what a waste of time. Just a commission with it's members comprise of highly respected figures from the various commonwealth countries? Umno can pick half of the members in the panel and opposition the other half.
If he dares to do that, I'll say he has a point and polish his boots for him by licking!
If he dares to do that, I'll say he has a point and polish his boots for him by licking!
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written by batsman, July 25, 2011 11:19:49
written by batsman, July 25, 2011 11:19:49
The other consideration is - what other alternatives are available to the family of Sarbani? Even TBH's family asked for the RCI report to be released even though they withdrew from the RCI.
In Malaysia, justice is not only blind-folded, it is bound hand and foot and ISA/EO shoved down its throat.
In Malaysia, justice is not only blind-folded, it is bound hand and foot and ISA/EO shoved down its throat.
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written by skc, July 25, 2011 10:00:55
written by skc, July 25, 2011 10:00:55
Dear YM RPK,
You have achieve the goal of making Malaysian aware Politically, now can we continue on to Critical thinking ? I will try my best to help
You have achieve the goal of making Malaysian aware Politically, now can we continue on to Critical thinking ? I will try my best to help
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written by Taikohtai, July 25, 2011 09:18:12
written by Taikohtai, July 25, 2011 09:18:12
The very fact that the RCI report had to seek royal consent is already indicative that the truth was compromised. If the royalty has the crystal ball, then BN has the torch and the black marker. No much difference here between the RCI report and the defaced Economist, I say.
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written by justice seeker, July 25, 2011 09:13:25
written by justice seeker, July 25, 2011 09:13:25
Conclusions made by the Malaysian Royal Commission of Inquiry (RCI) into opposition aide Teoh Beng Hock's death should not be questioned as this will only defeat its purpose, said Malaysian Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak.
He said the RCI was an independent body, which had been set up with the Yang Di-Pertuan Agong's consent and made up of individuals with high credibility to investigate the matter openly.
“What is the purpose of setting up the RCI if its findings are questioned? There are groups which questioned it because they are unhappy with the findings.”
“They have made their own conclusion and they wanted the RCI's report to reflect their thinking and demands. That is unfair.”
“The truth remains the truth whether it is bitter or easy for us to accept. We can't deny the truth,” he said after meeting the Perlis Barisan Nasional leaders yesterday.
The Commission had concluded that Teoh was driven to commit suicide due to intensive interrogation by Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) officers. -- THE STAR/ANN
THE POINT HERE IS YOU WANTED SELANGOR BACK IN YOUR HANDS AT ALL COSTS. TOYOL HAD TO DO YOUR BIDDING AND FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION. YOUR PET DOGS BIT TOO HARD. THE REST IS HISTORY. JUST LIKE THE ALTANTUNYA CONVICTION, THE RCI'S FINDINGS DOES NOT END THERE. IT DOES NOT REVEAL THE MOTIVE AND THE MASTERMIND. GET THE PICTURE???
He said the RCI was an independent body, which had been set up with the Yang Di-Pertuan Agong's consent and made up of individuals with high credibility to investigate the matter openly.
“What is the purpose of setting up the RCI if its findings are questioned? There are groups which questioned it because they are unhappy with the findings.”
“They have made their own conclusion and they wanted the RCI's report to reflect their thinking and demands. That is unfair.”
“The truth remains the truth whether it is bitter or easy for us to accept. We can't deny the truth,” he said after meeting the Perlis Barisan Nasional leaders yesterday.
The Commission had concluded that Teoh was driven to commit suicide due to intensive interrogation by Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) officers. -- THE STAR/ANN
THE POINT HERE IS YOU WANTED SELANGOR BACK IN YOUR HANDS AT ALL COSTS. TOYOL HAD TO DO YOUR BIDDING AND FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION. YOUR PET DOGS BIT TOO HARD. THE REST IS HISTORY. JUST LIKE THE ALTANTUNYA CONVICTION, THE RCI'S FINDINGS DOES NOT END THERE. IT DOES NOT REVEAL THE MOTIVE AND THE MASTERMIND. GET THE PICTURE???
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written by batsman, July 25, 2011 08:41:50
The above statement is the whole crux of the matter. What the RCI really independent? If it is not, the all its procedures and decision should be question - not just questioned but thoroughly - gone over with a fine tooth comb, every sordid detail dug up etc.
Only in this way can progress and the people's rights be protected. Only in this way can the Third Force be given it rightful place in govenrment of Malaysia.
written by batsman, July 25, 2011 08:41:50
He said the RCI was an independent body
The above statement is the whole crux of the matter. What the RCI really independent? If it is not, the all its procedures and decision should be question - not just questioned but thoroughly - gone over with a fine tooth comb, every sordid detail dug up etc.
Only in this way can progress and the people's rights be protected. Only in this way can the Third Force be given it rightful place in govenrment of Malaysia.
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written by skc, July 25, 2011 08:38:12
written by skc, July 25, 2011 08:38:12
Dear YM RPK,
Critical thinking is out, I guess. Education problem ?
Critical thinking is out, I guess. Education problem ?
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written by AlwaysFair, July 25, 2011 08:05:07
written by AlwaysFair, July 25, 2011 08:05:07
The truth is the murders of TBH and Altantuya are somehow linked!!
There is a common factor of GREED, for TBH, it is greed for power, for Altantuya it is greed for wealth.
The MO is similar.
You get my drift?
There is a common factor of GREED, for TBH, it is greed for power, for Altantuya it is greed for wealth.
The MO is similar.
You get my drift?
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written by AlwaysFair, July 25, 2011 07:58:22
written by AlwaysFair, July 25, 2011 07:58:22
TBH was killed and the RCI is only as good as the people who formed it:
If the RCI are made up of LIARS would you get the truth?
Only a foreigner Porntip told the truth.
Vote Pakatan to GET THE TRUTH!!
If the RCI are made up of LIARS would you get the truth?
Only a foreigner Porntip told the truth.
Vote Pakatan to GET THE TRUTH!!
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written by flyer168, July 25, 2011 06:47:11
written by flyer168, July 25, 2011 06:47:11
Pet,
The function of education is to teach one to think intensively and to think critically. Intelligence plus character - that is the goal of true education - Martin Luther King, Jr.
I am not interested in power for power's sake, but I'm interested in power that is moral, that is right and that is good - Martin Luther King, Jr.
The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly - Abraham Lincoln
Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual - Thomas Jefferson
Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed - Martin Luther King, Jr.
Shalom.
The function of education is to teach one to think intensively and to think critically. Intelligence plus character - that is the goal of true education - Martin Luther King, Jr.
I am not interested in power for power's sake, but I'm interested in power that is moral, that is right and that is good - Martin Luther King, Jr.
The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly - Abraham Lincoln
Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual - Thomas Jefferson
Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed - Martin Luther King, Jr.
Shalom.
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written by Awang Kuku, July 25, 2011 06:01:18
written by Awang Kuku, July 25, 2011 06:01:18
"Najb has a point", yes. Only yes if the RCI is totally free of interference. We all know that TBH died under a very suspicious circumstance. Many evidences point to the fact that it is very unlikely that TBH killed himself. The glaring fact is that he died! Who did it? From what transpired, we are very skeptical about the professionalism of the inquiry process. We saw how MACC official, in various incidences tried to hide the truth. Many suspicious actions during that day were highly questionable. Why didn't RCI pursue the intention behind those actions, is beyond my comprehension. Dr Pontip's conclusion was brushed aside. So, do you expect me to trust the report?
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written by usurper, July 25, 2011 00:57:52
written by usurper, July 25, 2011 00:57:52
“The truth remains the truth whether it is bitter or easy for us to accept. We can't deny the truth,” said Najib.
But the point Najib made is based on the existence of 'A Truth'. Now what is this Truth? If the truth was found through a process that was just and seemed just then an outcome so deduced on that truth could be accepted by the rakyat. The real point is that the process that lead to declaring this truth, itself was flawed and therefore the "truth" that Najib says that we have to accept is no more true. The subsequently outcome from the declared "truth" is misleading and does not justify the crime. That is why the Bar Council said that full responsibility for Teoh Beng Hock’s death lies squarely and solely on the MACC and as such, the officers named in the report should be punished immediately for committing offences under sections 304 and 304A of the Penal Code, namely for culpable homicide not amounting to murder and for causing Teoh’s death by negligence.
So TBH, Kugan and Sarbaini 's death is all about a flawed process by the incompetent and conniving government agencies. These are the very people who have been entrusted to do the rightful but instead collude with the powers of the day to present false evidence. So how can the people be happy with the verdict when the very "truth" that Najib wants us to accept is not the truth.
But the point Najib made is based on the existence of 'A Truth'. Now what is this Truth? If the truth was found through a process that was just and seemed just then an outcome so deduced on that truth could be accepted by the rakyat. The real point is that the process that lead to declaring this truth, itself was flawed and therefore the "truth" that Najib says that we have to accept is no more true. The subsequently outcome from the declared "truth" is misleading and does not justify the crime. That is why the Bar Council said that full responsibility for Teoh Beng Hock’s death lies squarely and solely on the MACC and as such, the officers named in the report should be punished immediately for committing offences under sections 304 and 304A of the Penal Code, namely for culpable homicide not amounting to murder and for causing Teoh’s death by negligence.
So TBH, Kugan and Sarbaini 's death is all about a flawed process by the incompetent and conniving government agencies. These are the very people who have been entrusted to do the rightful but instead collude with the powers of the day to present false evidence. So how can the people be happy with the verdict when the very "truth" that Najib wants us to accept is not the truth.
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written by Nice n Simple, July 24, 2011 23:57:43
written by Nice n Simple, July 24, 2011 23:57:43
I beg to differ a little from RPK although in general, it has its truth.
In concluding its findings, whether the pill be bitter or sweet, the RCI's report must be intelligent, more specifically, intelligible.
What we are see in the media, is the ultimatum, meaning the Conclusion. What we don't really see, is how they specifically arrived to the conclusion, in terms of the multiple basis beyond reasonble doubt, that leads to each member's idea of why it should conclude that way.
This simply means that each expert must give their 'expert opinion' in their own words, and all of their opinions must be fathomable, justified, clear, logical, legal and conclusive, and then unamimously in tandem to form the ultimate conclusion. And their individual opinions along with theri names must be quoted clearly, to maintain accountability, which means if an 'expert' quotes a statement/finding that is ambiguous or inconclusive in some manner, but still is able to conclude in tandem with the rest, then this 'expert's' credibility and/or authority is in question.
If ever his credibility of logic, law or otherwise is in question, then he is not fit to be part of the panel of such esteem, honour and responsibility.
Did I confuse anyone? Hope not.
In short, I WILL swallow the pill, bitter or sweet, IF, and only IF the RCI can convince me how and why they have arrived at such a conclusion. Simply telling me the just a YES or a NO is NOT good enough for me. CONVINCE ME!
In concluding its findings, whether the pill be bitter or sweet, the RCI's report must be intelligent, more specifically, intelligible.
What we are see in the media, is the ultimatum, meaning the Conclusion. What we don't really see, is how they specifically arrived to the conclusion, in terms of the multiple basis beyond reasonble doubt, that leads to each member's idea of why it should conclude that way.
This simply means that each expert must give their 'expert opinion' in their own words, and all of their opinions must be fathomable, justified, clear, logical, legal and conclusive, and then unamimously in tandem to form the ultimate conclusion. And their individual opinions along with theri names must be quoted clearly, to maintain accountability, which means if an 'expert' quotes a statement/finding that is ambiguous or inconclusive in some manner, but still is able to conclude in tandem with the rest, then this 'expert's' credibility and/or authority is in question.
If ever his credibility of logic, law or otherwise is in question, then he is not fit to be part of the panel of such esteem, honour and responsibility.
Did I confuse anyone? Hope not.
In short, I WILL swallow the pill, bitter or sweet, IF, and only IF the RCI can convince me how and why they have arrived at such a conclusion. Simply telling me the just a YES or a NO is NOT good enough for me. CONVINCE ME!
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written by StevenO, July 24, 2011 23:32:43
written by StevenO, July 24, 2011 23:32:43
Allow me to courteously disagree with you on what Najib said.
No, he has no point. Not when the whole circus was not conducted in a transparent and fair manner. I remember in not many years ago when cases of great importance happened, it usually involved highly respected figures from other commonwealth countries to make judgement. Justice must be seen to be done in the public eyes. It's no so when expert witness were bar from testifying in the beginning and not when the final report were deliberately delayed.
No, he has no point. Not when the whole circus was not conducted in a transparent and fair manner. I remember in not many years ago when cases of great importance happened, it usually involved highly respected figures from other commonwealth countries to make judgement. Justice must be seen to be done in the public eyes. It's no so when expert witness were bar from testifying in the beginning and not when the final report were deliberately delayed.
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written by earthman, July 24, 2011 22:47:41
written by earthman, July 24, 2011 22:47:41
Raja Petra, I cant help noticing that you frequently whacked the church or Christians who once was before as a reference of your argument. Is this for convenience sake or a response to attacks by the Christians?
And......
Those who follows Jesus would not talk about it or counter if not for the attacks on their liberty and rights by those who follows Muhammad . So, there is a point here.
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Those who follows Jesus would not talk about it or counter if not for the attacks on their liberty and rights by those who follows Muhammad . So, there is a point here.
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written by earthman, July 24, 2011 22:37:25
written by earthman, July 24, 2011 22:37:25
“The truth remains the truth whether it is bitter or easy for us to accept. We can't deny the truth,” he said after meeting the Perlis Barisan Nasional leaders yesterday. And should not be questioned as this will only defeat its purpose, said Malaysian Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak.
The truth is never bitter or easy but will set all free. If its bitter or easy its not the truth. Its a lie. For a lie can be bitter or easy. Depending on which side are you with.
The truth is never bitter or easy but will set all free. If its bitter or easy its not the truth. Its a lie. For a lie can be bitter or easy. Depending on which side are you with.
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written by NanoNano, July 24, 2011 22:36:10
written by NanoNano, July 24, 2011 22:36:10
Yes, Najeeeb has a point.
The Bar Council shudn't question the RCI's verdict. Kim Quek shudn't question the verdict. Hell, TBH's family shudn't question the verdict. NO ONE shud question the RCI's verdict!
The ultimate inference to this is that the RCI of TBH's death was a humongous, gigantic, complete and total waste of our time and money.
So, no RCI for Ahmad Sarbaini ya?
The Bar Council shudn't question the RCI's verdict. Kim Quek shudn't question the verdict. Hell, TBH's family shudn't question the verdict. NO ONE shud question the RCI's verdict!
The ultimate inference to this is that the RCI of TBH's death was a humongous, gigantic, complete and total waste of our time and money.
So, no RCI for Ahmad Sarbaini ya?
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written by panca, July 24, 2011 22:34:15
written by panca, July 24, 2011 22:34:15
The drift is ask to najib go and fcuk himself good and proper.
Whether or not he does fcuk himself is not important but we want to believe that he simply deserves it - that is our outcome!
Right or not, jib?! There is also a spider waiting for him.
Whether or not he does fcuk himself is not important but we want to believe that he simply deserves it - that is our outcome!
Right or not, jib?! There is also a spider waiting for him.
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written by earthman, July 24, 2011 22:20:45
written by earthman, July 24, 2011 22:20:45
The RCI had concluded their findings. And yet some who ask for the RCI are not happy? So, what is the problem here? The problems could be:-
1) The people who ask for the RCI wants to hear the verdict already in their minds.
2) The RCI is flawed . Had made a mistake.
3) The RCI is bias to please the hidden hands behind.
4) The RCI is unnecessary ( in Malaysia ) . A waste of public fund.
So, whatever had happened already happened and since the RCI is final. What is the next course of action?. Sue the MACC and government for negligent or causing the death of Teoh through criminal force? The best would still be to sue first and then vote out Barisan Nasional come next election.
1) The people who ask for the RCI wants to hear the verdict already in their minds.
2) The RCI is flawed . Had made a mistake.
3) The RCI is bias to please the hidden hands behind.
4) The RCI is unnecessary ( in Malaysia ) . A waste of public fund.
So, whatever had happened already happened and since the RCI is final. What is the next course of action?. Sue the MACC and government for negligent or causing the death of Teoh through criminal force? The best would still be to sue first and then vote out Barisan Nasional come next election.
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written by NottyMaus, July 24, 2011 22:14:49
written by NottyMaus, July 24, 2011 22:14:49
What has happened to us Malaysians ?
We have voted an outlaw into the office of Prime Minister !
Woe to us suffering souls !
We have voted an outlaw into the office of Prime Minister !
Woe to us suffering souls !
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written by lamakawan, July 24, 2011 22:08:15
written by lamakawan, July 24, 2011 22:08:15
When you say "should not be questioned" , is this not an order? in a more polite manner?
Surely this cannot be interpreted as only a statement of fact.?
This is what these UMNO warlords want us to believe. They want us to trust and believe whatever outcome from the RCI'
Is not the composition of RCI members under the influence or direction of its master?
In this case the master is UMNO and not BN .
Surely this cannot be interpreted as only a statement of fact.?
This is what these UMNO warlords want us to believe. They want us to trust and believe whatever outcome from the RCI'
Is not the composition of RCI members under the influence or direction of its master?
In this case the master is UMNO and not BN .
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written by Oscar Winner, July 24, 2011 21:49:46
written by Oscar Winner, July 24, 2011 21:49:46
Agreed, Najis has a point here. Why demand for RCIs, electoral reforms, or any other reforms if the outcome is what you can expect. Why make police reports if you know damn well what the outcome will be as he controls the PDRM , AG and the judiciary? Najis will do everything possible to cover up. And if it is at all possible, Najis will not want to have GE13, 14, and so forth so that he can be PM till he drops dead. That’s what Najis tries to tell us. Why get Bourdon to come knowing very well that his cousin deport him? He is telling us : Why are the you voters so stupid to continue voting BN???
Najis has a point here. I control everything. You idiots !!
Najis has a point here. I control everything. You idiots !!
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written by hellosunshine, July 24, 2011 21:42:02
written by hellosunshine, July 24, 2011 21:42:02
Alright, the great RPK has spoken. All of you bend over and let Najis and his gang of cut-throat lanuns continue to get their 'points' in (to your arses) and do please keep quiet and enjoy the shafting. Now now, not even a whimper, please.
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written by uxzee, July 24, 2011 21:03:57
written by uxzee, July 24, 2011 21:03:57
There is not much difference between the Malaysian judiciary and the RCI. Both are appointed by Najib thru Agong. So the independence of both is suspect. The composition of the TBH RCI was rejected even by the TBH family at the early stage. So if Najib wants us to believe the RCI then he should not interfere in their appointment and independence
Will Najib dare appointment an RCI with 60% of it's members from the opposition. Will Najib then accept the verdict of such an RCI ? So it is only to be expected that Malaysians will reject any findings of an RCI if the RCI itself is suspect.
Malaysians still hope within their hope that one day the RCI can be independent.
Will Najib dare appointment an RCI with 60% of it's members from the opposition. Will Najib then accept the verdict of such an RCI ? So it is only to be expected that Malaysians will reject any findings of an RCI if the RCI itself is suspect.
Malaysians still hope within their hope that one day the RCI can be independent.
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written by Tompios, July 24, 2011 20:53:39
written by Tompios, July 24, 2011 20:53:39
I hate you, Tuanku RPK. It is 2 times 5 with "my religion is the best religion"! And, you got the point here by "MENURUT SIAPA?" - According to who? 
!! Get my 1st drift?
!! Get my 1st drift?
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written by donplaypuks, July 24, 2011 20:29:37
written by donplaypuks, July 24, 2011 20:29:37
In the TBH case, a sitting judge of the Fed court was appointed to lead it. That destroyed any pretence Najib made of an "independent" judge to lead a crucial RCI.
Do remember too that the findings and recommendations of the 2 previous RCI's have not been acted upon by Najib. They are "still looking for certain witnesses' in the LIngam matter and that of the CJ who went on holiday with Lingam and Vincent Tan. This despite testimony in open hearing by witnesses of the respective culpabilities of Lingam and the CJ. UMNO/BN have repeatedly insulted our Agung with impunity!
So, right from the beginning the TBH RCI was a whitewash to find no one directly guilty who could be charged with Murder1 so that the guilty parties can be "kow thim" elsewhere.
Sounds familiar?
And the seeds of another whitewash coroner's inquiry is being sown with that scurillous Shafee's manipulation that Sarbaini's untimely and mysterious death was not murder.
Lightning strikes twice at the same spot. Yes - in 1 Malaysia Semua Bolihland
dpp
we are all of 1 Race, the hUman Race
Do remember too that the findings and recommendations of the 2 previous RCI's have not been acted upon by Najib. They are "still looking for certain witnesses' in the LIngam matter and that of the CJ who went on holiday with Lingam and Vincent Tan. This despite testimony in open hearing by witnesses of the respective culpabilities of Lingam and the CJ. UMNO/BN have repeatedly insulted our Agung with impunity!
So, right from the beginning the TBH RCI was a whitewash to find no one directly guilty who could be charged with Murder1 so that the guilty parties can be "kow thim" elsewhere.
Sounds familiar?
And the seeds of another whitewash coroner's inquiry is being sown with that scurillous Shafee's manipulation that Sarbaini's untimely and mysterious death was not murder.
Lightning strikes twice at the same spot. Yes - in 1 Malaysia Semua Bolihland
dpp
we are all of 1 Race, the hUman Race
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written by Gnojaas, July 24, 2011 19:46:54
written by Gnojaas, July 24, 2011 19:46:54
The root of the problem is Najib as head of UMNO. Due to his greed, he sought ways and means of getting back Selangor. Of course, the DOGS had to do their level best without conscience to please Najib which caused Teoh's death. In this regard, what is the use of establishing RCI? It is a waste of money. We have already known what would come out of RCI. If we do not seem to see justice done, of course, people have the rights to question. Government is wasting tax payers' money and therefore, we should question the finding.
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written by malsia1206, July 24, 2011 19:40:46
written by malsia1206, July 24, 2011 19:40:46
In the RCI for Lingam, he himself with the former CJ and another party disputed certain findings and pressed for a judicial review.
Was that not a precedent? Were those findings in dispute based on facts or assumption to support the judicial review?
Was that not a precedent? Were those findings in dispute based on facts or assumption to support the judicial review?
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written by Hanuman, July 24, 2011 19:33:00
written by Hanuman, July 24, 2011 19:33:00
Najib said....."the RCI was an independent body, which had been set up with the Yang Di-Pertuan Agong's consent and made up of individuals with high credibility to investigate the matter openly".
Justice Foong and panel members came out with an unfounded and unsubstantiated conclusion that TBH committed suicide. This said volumes of the credibility and independence of the RCI. An RCI initiated by a proven UNTRUSTWORTHY PM!
Justice Foong and panel members came out with an unfounded and unsubstantiated conclusion that TBH committed suicide. This said volumes of the credibility and independence of the RCI. An RCI initiated by a proven UNTRUSTWORTHY PM!
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written by temenggong, July 24, 2011 19:27:42
written by temenggong, July 24, 2011 19:27:42
Thank you.
Perhaps your site will cease to attract hate mongers afterall. We shall see.
Perhaps your site will cease to attract hate mongers afterall. We shall see.
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written by arazak, July 24, 2011 19:24:19
written by arazak, July 24, 2011 19:24:19
Dear Pete,
Since when is this country's RCI telling the truth? All this while RCIs are being used to get lapdog agencies, and murderers off the hook. Same thing also with "inquest", nothing more than a "dog and pony show" to cover guilty regime's agents arses. So much so, now I have regarded the RCI and Inquest to be similar to "lawak bodoh Scenario" in TV3. Meaning, the outcome is so predictable you don't have to bother following the proceedings to know what the outcome is going to be.
(I am not talking about court cases here, I am talking about RCI and Inquest).
Since when is this country's RCI telling the truth? All this while RCIs are being used to get lapdog agencies, and murderers off the hook. Same thing also with "inquest", nothing more than a "dog and pony show" to cover guilty regime's agents arses. So much so, now I have regarded the RCI and Inquest to be similar to "lawak bodoh Scenario" in TV3. Meaning, the outcome is so predictable you don't have to bother following the proceedings to know what the outcome is going to be.
(I am not talking about court cases here, I am talking about RCI and Inquest).
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written by educationist, July 24, 2011 19:18:42
written by educationist, July 24, 2011 19:18:42
I am not sure I got your drift!!
It is not so much as the RCI findings is not what we want to believe happened to TBH, but as analysed by the Bar Council, those spineless chaps in it made a illogical leap of logic and qouted an expert's opinion out of context to come to a conclusion wanted by the UMNOputras!!
It is not so much as the RCI findings is not what we want to believe happened to TBH, but as analysed by the Bar Council, those spineless chaps in it made a illogical leap of logic and qouted an expert's opinion out of context to come to a conclusion wanted by the UMNOputras!!
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written by bambooman, July 24, 2011 19:11:36
written by bambooman, July 24, 2011 19:11:36
Najib "definitely" has the "authority" to remind us that "no one should questioned" the RCI or even the court's decisions ! ! ! !
Becos right now all the UMNO-gomen's agencies' decisions will definitely favor the UMNO-gomen ! ! !
So, my fellow Malaysians ......let us get along with the drift and vote for Pakatan in the coming GE ! ! ! !
Keep supporting Bersih ! ! ! !
Becos right now all the UMNO-gomen's agencies' decisions will definitely favor the UMNO-gomen ! ! !
So, my fellow Malaysians ......let us get along with the drift and vote for Pakatan in the coming GE ! ! ! !
Keep supporting Bersih ! ! ! !
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written by Motherchell, July 24, 2011 19:05:43
written by Motherchell, July 24, 2011 19:05:43
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Najib and his Dumno think they can argue with reality like we were all citizens of PinocchioLand !. Najib's RCI is like Gaddafi sending his 4WD ambulance to London, overland to pick up a wounded rebel for treatment in Libya or its like Najib hitting RM with a feather to question her spending 76 mil on a diamond but was not interested to know where she picked up such a vulgar sum.
When will he grow up????
One day, a voice talked to the cave, and said, “Come up into the light Come and enjoy the sunlight”. The cave replied, “I do not know what you mean by light. All I have ever known is darkness”. “Come and see for yourself,” said the voice. The cave mustered up enough courage and climbed slowly up from the depths of the earth. Suddenly, it reached the top of the earth and was surrounded by magnificent light, the likes of which the cave had never seen in its life. “This is beautiful,” said the cave. After enjoying the light for a while, the cave said to the sunlight, “Now it is your turn to come with me and see the darkness”. “What is darkness?” asked the sunlight. The cave answered, “Come and see for yourself”. So the sunlight decided to visit the cave’s home. As the sunlight entered the cave, it said, “Now show me your darkness”.!Author:Snad
Najib and his Dumno think they can argue with reality like we were all citizens of PinocchioLand !. Najib's RCI is like Gaddafi sending his 4WD ambulance to London, overland to pick up a wounded rebel for treatment in Libya or its like Najib hitting RM with a feather to question her spending 76 mil on a diamond but was not interested to know where she picked up such a vulgar sum.
When will he grow up????
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written by Angela Ooi, July 24, 2011 18:57:43
written by Angela Ooi, July 24, 2011 18:57:43
Sir, I get your drift n I do agree the RCI was unnecessary n just a blardy waste of our $$. Considering how Najis wanted to bring down Pakatan in Selangor; that he DRAGGED his feet even to have this RCI; also considering TBH was an excited 'dad-to-be' n that he was supposed to marry on the day he 'could take the macc questioning no more n threw himself to death; macam boleh accept this finding?
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