Islam says that 124,000 Prophets were sent by God although only 25 are mentioned by name in the Quran. And, according to Islam, every community without exception received a Prophet, sometimes more than one at one time.
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Raja Petra Kamarudin
This was a comment posted yesterday by Malay Ultraman in my article The perception of right and wrong:
Salam and greetings.
Faith is so precious. Yet, it doesn’t carry a price tag. It can’t be bought or sold. Even a father can’t transfer the same faith to his children.
Being a Muslim, as what being written in scriptures, Allah had sent down thousands of anointed prophets since Adam pbuh until prophet Muhammad pbuh.
When the prophets delivered the message about "ilah" and the only God, there were sceptics, denials and rejection very much like what we are seeing in MT. These people asking questions like "why can’t God send an angel rather than a mere human being? Why can’t God descend himself? Why can’t we worship whatever we like? Why can’t we do whatever we enjoy to do?” Why is this, why is that, all kind of intelligent questions, and very much like we are seeing now.
YM Raja Petra, you are very smart. I believe you have read Surah Yassin and read the translation as well. Then, you can relate your piece of writing to Yassin. See how it works.
May Allah bless you, Insyallah.
By the way, MT has always been a good platform to bash Islam. I never see anybody bash other religions. What a great job! I hope you are not advocating Atheism.
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I really don’t know what Malay Ultraman is trying to say. What is the point he is trying to make?
This is the problem with some ‘apologists’. They feel it is their religious duty to ‘defend’ Islam but they don’t understand what the issue is and are certainly less equipped to engage in a debate.
If you had understood what I wrote, you will see that my article was not an Islam bashing article at all. In fact, it is not even about Islam. For all intents and purposes, it should be the Christians who should be upset with me, not Muslims like Malay Ultraman.
My article talks about the Christian era of almost 2,000 years ago. I was of course not specific but any learned person would know that I was talking about Nicaea of the 300s, an era before Islam. This was a city that is now in Turkey but then part of the Eastern Roman Empire under Constantine. Resulting from this, the Nicene Creed was adopted and, more than 50 years later, the doctrine of the Trinity became the akidah (foundation) of the Christian faith.
Malay Ultraman, Islam was even not around yet then.
Of course, just like in all religions, Islam included, not every Christian accepted this and many opposed what was decided in the 300s. And those who rejected the ‘new Christianity’ were persecuted and killed.
That was what I was referring to.
Christianity came to England’s shores around the years 100-200 and for more than 1,000 years England was under papal authority. Then, around the 1500s, during the reign of King Henry VIII, England broke away from Rome and the Church of England was founded.
York refused to adopt the ‘new Christianity’ and it revolted and tried to declare its independence from England. The revolution was put down and the leaders all hanged and their bodies left to rot. Henry VIII also ordered all the churches in York to be burned to the ground.
That, Malay Ultraman, is what I was talking about in my article and I even mentioned that until today no Catholic can sit on the throne of England or became the British Prime Minister. Remember the case of Tony Blair who converted to Catholicism only after he retired as Prime Minister?
So, Malay Ultraman, you need to read more than just the Surah Yassin, as you suggested I do. The issue has nothing to do with the Surah Yassin or even Islam. And, as I said, if anyone should get upset it should be the Christians, not you.
You mentioned ‘angels’ in your comment. I take it you are talking about Malaikat. Are you aware that Malaikat comes from the word Mal’akh, which is a Hebrew word meaning a messenger of God or an angelic envoy?
You also mentioned ‘ilah’. Il or El means God for both the pagan and Israeli religions. And Ilahi means ‘The God’ or the Chief of Gods. So the word existed before Islam and was even a word that pagans used for God.
Malay Ultraman, Muslims must read more than just the Quran, the Surah Yassin of course being one small part of the Quran. I also suggest you read more than just the scriptures. And when I mention scriptures you take it I am talking about the one sent down to Prophet Muhammad whereas there is more than just one scripture.
Malay Ultraman, you also talk about the thousands of Prophets whom God sent to humankind. Islam says that 124,000 Prophets were sent by God although only 25 are mentioned by name in the Quran. And, according to Islam, every community without exception received a Prophet, sometimes more than one at one time.
What is the purpose of Islam telling us all this? Why not just talk about Prophet Muhammad and leave it at that? Why talk about 124,000 Prophets and tell us that every community has received a Prophet from God?
So you see, Malay Ultraman, there is still much we need to learn and things may not be exactly what we think they are.
My pursuit of religious knowledge is not focused on trying to learn about the differences between the many religions. I am exploring the possibility that there is only one religion. You, Malay Ultraman, would say that there is only one religion, Islam, and that all other religions are false. Yes, I have heard that argument thousands of times from fellow Muslims.
I am not about to agree or disagree with that. I reserve judgment at this stage mainly because I consider myself not yet fully learned enough to come to any conclusions. And I admit I am still looking for the answers.
So what is the focus of my research then? Simple. Is there a possibility that there is actually only one religion and that through the ages it transformed and mutated into versions 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and so on?
In other words, what is the oldest religion? And did this religion change over time so that, for example, the religion of Moses is an improved version of the religion of Abraham and the religion of Jesus is an improved version of the religion of Moses and the religion of Muhammad is an improved version of the religion of Jesus?
Is this far fetched? If it is then why would the Quran say that the true believers or submitters (Muslim) are those followers of Moses and followers of Jesus who abide to the teachings of Abraham? And do we not call Judaism, Christianity and Islam the Abrahamic faiths, which means the roots are all in Abraham’s teachings, as what the Quran declares?
Note that the Quran says the followers of Moses and Jesus who follow the teachings of Abraham. The Quran does not even mention the followers of Muhammad in that particular verse.
So, if all religions are merely new versions of the old religion then we should go back even further -- before Moses, Jesus or Muhammad -- and see where it all started. This would then take us to what Islam calls the Majusi or fire worshippers. Islam regards these as also ‘People of the Book’, which means Islam recognises this religion.
Yes, Zoroastrianism, the religion I am talking about, overlaps Islam in many areas. They also have the kabah and the practice of tawaf and they take wuduk before they conduct the ritualistic prayers just like in Islam, and much more.
So, Malay Ultraman, hold your horses and don’t be too quick to label any discussion on religion as an Islam bashing exercise. And when I talk about faith that is not meant to bash Islam. It is meant to show that faith can make us accept what cannot be proven, that is all. And religion needs faith because without it we would never believe in religion since very little can be proven according to modern standards of what is considered proof.
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written by Malay Ultraman, August 27, 2010 12:19:55
written by Malay Ultraman, August 27, 2010 12:19:55
Extrated Frm YH
Dear YH, what you are looking for, the answers is already in th Quran. The Prophet Muhammad is the seal of prohets and Quran is the seal of Holy Books. The lineage and storylines are there.
In your own words... it is V 4.0
See Al-Ahzah ( the confederates ) 40
40. Muhammad () is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the last (end) of the Prophets. And Allah is Ever All-Aware of everything.
Salam Hormat. .
PS: By the way, I would recommend you to consult with ex-Mufti of Perlis Dr Asri if you have any doubts. He is the best Muslim scholar I got to know.
So what is the focus of my research then? Simple. Is there a possibility that there is actually only one religion and that through the ages it transformed and mutated into versions 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and so on?
In other words, what is the oldest religion? And did this religion change over time so that, for example, the religion of Moses is an improved version of the religion of Abraham and the religion of Jesus is an improved version of the religion of Moses and the religion of Muhammad is an improved version of the religion of Jesus?
Is this far fetched? If it is then why would the Quran say that the true believers or submitters (Muslim) are those followers of Moses and followers of Jesus who abide to the teachings of Abraham? And do we not call Judaism, Christianity and Islam the Abrahamic faiths, which means the roots are all in Abraham’s teachings, as what the Quran declares?
Note that the Quran says the followers of Moses and Jesus who follow the teachings of Abraham. The Quran does not even mention the followers of Muhammad in that particular verse.
So, if all religions are merely new versions of the old religion then we should go back even further -- before Moses, Jesus or Muhammad -- and see where it all started. This would then take us to what Islam calls the Majusi or fire worshippers. Islam regards these as also ‘People of the Book’, which means Islam recognises this religion.
Dear YH, what you are looking for, the answers is already in th Quran. The Prophet Muhammad is the seal of prohets and Quran is the seal of Holy Books. The lineage and storylines are there.
In your own words... it is V 4.0
See Al-Ahzah ( the confederates ) 40
40. Muhammad () is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the last (end) of the Prophets. And Allah is Ever All-Aware of everything.
Salam Hormat. .
PS: By the way, I would recommend you to consult with ex-Mufti of Perlis Dr Asri if you have any doubts. He is the best Muslim scholar I got to know.
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written by Malay Ultraman, August 27, 2010 10:55:19
written by Malay Ultraman, August 27, 2010 10:55:19
I submit.
Al-Baqarah ( The Cow) 131-140
131. When his Lord said to him, "Submit (i.e. be a Muslim)!" He said, "I have submitted myself (as a Muslim) to the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists)."
132. And this (submission to Allah, Islam) was enjoined by Ibrahim (Abraham) upon his sons and by Ya'qub (Jacob), (saying), "O my sons! Allah has chosen for you the (true) religion, then die not except in the Faith of Islam (as Muslims - Islamic Monotheism)."
133. Or were you witnesses when death approached Ya'qub (Jacob)? When he said unto his sons, "What will you worship after me?" They said, "We shall worship your Ilah (God - Allah), the Ilah (God) of your fathers, Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), One Ilah (God), and to Him we submit (in Islam)."
134. That was a nation who has passed away. They shall receive the reward of what they earned and you of what you earn. And you will not be asked of what they used to do.
135. And they say, "Be Jews or Christians, then you will be guided." Say (to them, O Muhammad Peace be upon him ), "Nay, (We follow) only the religion of Ibrahim (Abraham), Hanifa [Islamic Monotheism, i.e. to worship none but Allah (Alone)], and he was not of Al-Mushrikun (those who worshipped others along with Allah - see V.2:105)."
136. Say (O Muslims), "We believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Musa (Moses) and 'Iesa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam)."
137. So if they believe in the like of that which you believe, then they are rightly guided, but if they turn away, then they are only in opposition. So Allah will suffice you against them. And He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.
138. [Our Sibghah (religion) is] the Sibghah (Religion) of Allah (Islam) and which Sibghah (religion) can be better than Allah's? And we are His worshippers. [Tafsir Ibn Kathir.]
139. Say (O Muhammad Peace be upon him to the Jews and Christians), "Dispute you with us about Allah while He is our Lord and your Lord? And we are to be rewarded for our deeds and you for your deeds. And we are sincere to Him in worship and obedience (i.e. we worship Him Alone and none else, and we obey His Orders)."
140. Or say you that Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob) and Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)] were Jews or Christians? Say, "Do you know better or does Allah (knows better...; that they all were Muslims)? And who is more unjust than he who conceals the testimony [i.e. to believe in Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him when he comes, written in their Books. (See Verse 7:157)] he has from Allah? And Allah is not unaware of what you do."
By the way, those interested to know about verse Yaasin kindly surf
http://www.dusstore.com/TheNobleQuran/index.html
And those who would like to cheer me up and some thoughts to share, send your comment to \n This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it '> This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .
I will try my best to entertain all your questionnaires whichever applicable.
Assalamualaikum. And Selamat Hari Raya.
Al-Baqarah ( The Cow) 131-140
131. When his Lord said to him, "Submit (i.e. be a Muslim)!" He said, "I have submitted myself (as a Muslim) to the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists)."
132. And this (submission to Allah, Islam) was enjoined by Ibrahim (Abraham) upon his sons and by Ya'qub (Jacob), (saying), "O my sons! Allah has chosen for you the (true) religion, then die not except in the Faith of Islam (as Muslims - Islamic Monotheism)."
133. Or were you witnesses when death approached Ya'qub (Jacob)? When he said unto his sons, "What will you worship after me?" They said, "We shall worship your Ilah (God - Allah), the Ilah (God) of your fathers, Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), One Ilah (God), and to Him we submit (in Islam)."
134. That was a nation who has passed away. They shall receive the reward of what they earned and you of what you earn. And you will not be asked of what they used to do.
135. And they say, "Be Jews or Christians, then you will be guided." Say (to them, O Muhammad Peace be upon him ), "Nay, (We follow) only the religion of Ibrahim (Abraham), Hanifa [Islamic Monotheism, i.e. to worship none but Allah (Alone)], and he was not of Al-Mushrikun (those who worshipped others along with Allah - see V.2:105)."
136. Say (O Muslims), "We believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Musa (Moses) and 'Iesa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam)."
137. So if they believe in the like of that which you believe, then they are rightly guided, but if they turn away, then they are only in opposition. So Allah will suffice you against them. And He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.
138. [Our Sibghah (religion) is] the Sibghah (Religion) of Allah (Islam) and which Sibghah (religion) can be better than Allah's? And we are His worshippers. [Tafsir Ibn Kathir.]
139. Say (O Muhammad Peace be upon him to the Jews and Christians), "Dispute you with us about Allah while He is our Lord and your Lord? And we are to be rewarded for our deeds and you for your deeds. And we are sincere to Him in worship and obedience (i.e. we worship Him Alone and none else, and we obey His Orders)."
140. Or say you that Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob) and Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)] were Jews or Christians? Say, "Do you know better or does Allah (knows better...; that they all were Muslims)? And who is more unjust than he who conceals the testimony [i.e. to believe in Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him when he comes, written in their Books. (See Verse 7:157)] he has from Allah? And Allah is not unaware of what you do."
By the way, those interested to know about verse Yaasin kindly surf
http://www.dusstore.com/TheNobleQuran/index.html
And those who would like to cheer me up and some thoughts to share, send your comment to \n This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it '> This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it .
I will try my best to entertain all your questionnaires whichever applicable.
Assalamualaikum. And Selamat Hari Raya.
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written by Malay Ultraman, August 27, 2010 10:54:39
written by Malay Ultraman, August 27, 2010 10:54:39
I have seen all the nonsense and goodness in this soul-searching. MT is one of the best place to see all kind of rojak mentality from Malaysia of so-called English Educated ones; some proclaim he or she is very intelligent better than anyone else including God. Pretty much like Kiasu Warrior.
I think all the answers can be found in Quran. We have to find the truth ourselves . No-one can. I was mentioning the Yassin because I always read it every week. I believe YH does too. All good muslim will. I can copy and paste it here in translation, but I know most of my fans won’t bother to read it. If they want to , they can “g****e” it and find it. The storyline and tales in Yassin are very much like “US”. Pls read it and try to understand it.
Again, pertaining the Islam Bashing , i am not referring to your article alone. Forgive me YH if you misunderstood, I was referring to the those comments all over MTs. You can see and judge it yourself.
And May I correct you YH, Islam was founded not during Prophet Muhammad SAW. It all started from Prophet Abraham alaihaisalam. That’s why when you recite a verse during Tahyat Akhir you will say “ Ibrahim alihissalam”.
The prophet had spent his last 23 years , yet he could not even convince his own uncle Abu Talib. What do you expect from little guy like me? I recall when I was a teenager , I saw one old man in a very simple, zuhud lifestyle in a wooden hut. No electricity, no furniture.. just very few basic books and an old quran. I look at his face, I can feel peace in him. He is not an ustaz or a scholar. His knowledge might be very minimal. “He is listening and he is obeying” No question ask.
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I think all the answers can be found in Quran. We have to find the truth ourselves . No-one can. I was mentioning the Yassin because I always read it every week. I believe YH does too. All good muslim will. I can copy and paste it here in translation, but I know most of my fans won’t bother to read it. If they want to , they can “g****e” it and find it. The storyline and tales in Yassin are very much like “US”. Pls read it and try to understand it.
Again, pertaining the Islam Bashing , i am not referring to your article alone. Forgive me YH if you misunderstood, I was referring to the those comments all over MTs. You can see and judge it yourself.
And May I correct you YH, Islam was founded not during Prophet Muhammad SAW. It all started from Prophet Abraham alaihaisalam. That’s why when you recite a verse during Tahyat Akhir you will say “ Ibrahim alihissalam”.
The prophet had spent his last 23 years , yet he could not even convince his own uncle Abu Talib. What do you expect from little guy like me? I recall when I was a teenager , I saw one old man in a very simple, zuhud lifestyle in a wooden hut. No electricity, no furniture.. just very few basic books and an old quran. I look at his face, I can feel peace in him. He is not an ustaz or a scholar. His knowledge might be very minimal. “He is listening and he is obeying” No question ask.
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written by Malay Ultraman, August 27, 2010 10:52:18
written by Malay Ultraman, August 27, 2010 10:52:18
Assalamualaikum to YH Raja Petra and beloved fans of me,
I must confess i had been very much excited when I saw an open respond from YH regarding my critics. Thanks to YH, I am honored. I cant imagine it must be very much honorable if Allah mentions my name on his kingdom. Best of all, I saw all those overwhelming welcome notes from all the fans. Actually I had very hard time trying to decipher some of those thoughts. The big bang theory, the premise "no God?", "Satan = god??" plus "why God wasting time sending thousand messengers" plus some others Satanic questions like why God create Satan ; I don’t really have much time to entertain. I am just a makan gaji man with big family to feed. Unlike you, I don’t have a privilege of getting any royal allowance. The ASB 10% annual return wont help me much.
By the way, since I have become an overnight famous, let me introduce myself. I am not an expert. I dare not to call myself even an ustaz. I am just an everage muslim Malay. Not a big fan of UMNO. Neither does PAS nor PKR. I am in the state of Independence. And whom I vote for is a secret. My mother would never know.
I never attend special religious school. But I did lot of research myself through friends in Atheism, Christianity , Judasm, Buddha and Islamic Tabligh, Tassawuf, Tareqat among other Arqam, taslim,. In fact , I used to have a neighbor who was a Jew and the next block was Sementic Boys School . Boys were wearing nice black white suit while the teacher was a rabbi. Many of my professors were wearing rabbi 3-piece.
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I must confess i had been very much excited when I saw an open respond from YH regarding my critics. Thanks to YH, I am honored. I cant imagine it must be very much honorable if Allah mentions my name on his kingdom. Best of all, I saw all those overwhelming welcome notes from all the fans. Actually I had very hard time trying to decipher some of those thoughts. The big bang theory, the premise "no God?", "Satan = god??" plus "why God wasting time sending thousand messengers" plus some others Satanic questions like why God create Satan ; I don’t really have much time to entertain. I am just a makan gaji man with big family to feed. Unlike you, I don’t have a privilege of getting any royal allowance. The ASB 10% annual return wont help me much.
By the way, since I have become an overnight famous, let me introduce myself. I am not an expert. I dare not to call myself even an ustaz. I am just an everage muslim Malay. Not a big fan of UMNO. Neither does PAS nor PKR. I am in the state of Independence. And whom I vote for is a secret. My mother would never know.
I never attend special religious school. But I did lot of research myself through friends in Atheism, Christianity , Judasm, Buddha and Islamic Tabligh, Tassawuf, Tareqat among other Arqam, taslim,. In fact , I used to have a neighbor who was a Jew and the next block was Sementic Boys School . Boys were wearing nice black white suit while the teacher was a rabbi. Many of my professors were wearing rabbi 3-piece.
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written by a guest, August 23, 2010 10:33:57
written by a guest, August 23, 2010 10:33:57
RPK wrote:
Spot on! And that is essentially the modus operandi of all mind control syndicates.
The believers will create and have faith in their leaders, because they think such pious looking and sounding people that they see as their leaders should be telling the truth. After all, they think, why would these leaders lie to their followers?
And another, a lie told often enough, will be accepted as the truth by the masses. Witness the frothing lies screeched by UMNO/Perkasa over "Ketuanan rights" told in the name of article 153, to the extant that it is taken as the gospel truth (pun intended!).
"It is meant to show that faith can make us accept what cannot be proven, that is all. And religion needs faith because without it we would never believe in religion since very little can be proven ......."
Spot on! And that is essentially the modus operandi of all mind control syndicates.
The believers will create and have faith in their leaders, because they think such pious looking and sounding people that they see as their leaders should be telling the truth. After all, they think, why would these leaders lie to their followers?
And another, a lie told often enough, will be accepted as the truth by the masses. Witness the frothing lies screeched by UMNO/Perkasa over "Ketuanan rights" told in the name of article 153, to the extant that it is taken as the gospel truth (pun intended!).
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written by Buayanegara, August 23, 2010 10:05:29
written by Buayanegara, August 23, 2010 10:05:29
If you are forced learn the Malay Language only and forced not to learn any other language, how can your horizon be broaden., when you cannot read more than one language.
You can not read about people from far away places , how they live and how they worship, because of this your views are myopic.
More so if you are taught only to believe in ONE FAITH but you do not know the Scriptures of your Faith in intertwined in an OLDER Faith .
This is how the B End control and brainwash the Raykaat. Keep them ignorant - like the KATAK DIBAWA TEMPURONG.
The Education system must change for the Better and not be Repressive like now.
KICK OUT the FCUKing B Enders
You can not read about people from far away places , how they live and how they worship, because of this your views are myopic.
More so if you are taught only to believe in ONE FAITH but you do not know the Scriptures of your Faith in intertwined in an OLDER Faith .
This is how the B End control and brainwash the Raykaat. Keep them ignorant - like the KATAK DIBAWA TEMPURONG.
The Education system must change for the Better and not be Repressive like now.
KICK OUT the FCUKing B Enders
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written by alacarte, August 22, 2010 21:32:45
Some of text in Surahs are actually 'plugged' from the Scripture, especially the Old Testament. The Jews also cannot consume Pork and must be circumcised, but now a days many Jews don't follow these rules, a new Version of the religion, perhaps!
written by alacarte, August 22, 2010 21:32:45
By Better My:
This could easily have been in the Christian scriptures. I wont be the least surprised there is some equivalent to this message.
Some of text in Surahs are actually 'plugged' from the Scripture, especially the Old Testament. The Jews also cannot consume Pork and must be circumcised, but now a days many Jews don't follow these rules, a new Version of the religion, perhaps!
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written by alacarte, August 22, 2010 21:22:51
Yeah, RPK you nailed it right through. I liked your sentence quoted above. In Koran, People of The Book include the Jews and the Christians and the Koran also mentioned that the Muslims must not ill threat the Christians and non believers, based on this, do UMNOputras and whoever Mufti they promoted qualify as good Muslims? Even say a prayer to a non Muslim is consider a sin by them, how ironic.
The Holy book also mentioned Pork can be eaten but not encouraged, see how the Malays here behave ultra sensitively towards Pork and see their felllow Muslims in Indonesia or Borneo Island do not.
written by alacarte, August 22, 2010 21:22:51
o what is the focus of my research then?Simple. Is there a possibility thatthere is actually only one religion and that through the ages it transformed and mutated into versions 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and so on?
Yeah, RPK you nailed it right through. I liked your sentence quoted above. In Koran, People of The Book include the Jews and the Christians and the Koran also mentioned that the Muslims must not ill threat the Christians and non believers, based on this, do UMNOputras and whoever Mufti they promoted qualify as good Muslims? Even say a prayer to a non Muslim is consider a sin by them, how ironic.
The Holy book also mentioned Pork can be eaten but not encouraged, see how the Malays here behave ultra sensitively towards Pork and see their felllow Muslims in Indonesia or Borneo Island do not.
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written by batsman, August 22, 2010 13:29:29
written by batsman, August 22, 2010 13:29:29
Hey guys – want a real test your intelligence? Can you guess in what context/situations/places these 2 quotations were uttered or written? Never mind the persons who wrote them, but you will be clever indeed if you knew. It would be a revealing test of whether you guys really know you stuff.
1."Each of the three peoples of the peninsula saw itself forced to live ….. together with the other two at the same time as it passionately desired their extermination."
2."I witnessed a meeting which included every kind of group: Sunni Muslims and heretics, and all kinds of ….. materialists, atheists, Jews and Christians. Each group had a leader who would speak on its doctrine and debate about it. …… I never went back."
BTW – I got both only partly right, but can you do better?
1."Each of the three peoples of the peninsula saw itself forced to live ….. together with the other two at the same time as it passionately desired their extermination."
2."I witnessed a meeting which included every kind of group: Sunni Muslims and heretics, and all kinds of ….. materialists, atheists, Jews and Christians. Each group had a leader who would speak on its doctrine and debate about it. …… I never went back."
BTW – I got both only partly right, but can you do better?
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written by educationist, August 22, 2010 12:39:59
written by educationist, August 22, 2010 12:39:59
My worldview nurtured by my readings into the Dhamma resonates with RPK's assertation:" Is there a possibility that there is actually only one religion .."
I made no claim to knowing the Ultimate truth but the Dhamma teaches that each of us are at a diffrent stage in our spiritual development. Which is why some of us are inclined towards Islamic, Christian, Hindu, Mahayana, Theravadian, Tibetan or whatever religous teachings.
Perhaps this is the basis behind all the different religous denominations.
Avoid evil, Do Good and Purify the mind are the 3 basic exhortations that we are asked to follow.
This, I firmly believe will make the world a much better place to live in if all followers of all faiths try their level best to practise!!
I made no claim to knowing the Ultimate truth but the Dhamma teaches that each of us are at a diffrent stage in our spiritual development. Which is why some of us are inclined towards Islamic, Christian, Hindu, Mahayana, Theravadian, Tibetan or whatever religous teachings.
Perhaps this is the basis behind all the different religous denominations.
Avoid evil, Do Good and Purify the mind are the 3 basic exhortations that we are asked to follow.
This, I firmly believe will make the world a much better place to live in if all followers of all faiths try their level best to practise!!
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written by Better My, August 22, 2010 11:47:47
written by Better My, August 22, 2010 11:47:47
written by temenggong, August 22, 2010 10:01:42 Better My, I don't quite understand what you write." Re: Why there has to be one god? Why not there be a "no god" option?
Can! It is the same thing. The No God IS the God. "
"No god "means no god, not No God is the God, twisted to your interpretation. No means no.
And when you go to the beginning of times at the Big Bang, you are implying there is one point of creation and you attribute that to God creation by the sound of it. No religion, Islamic or Christian God or any other religion god from the beginning of modern man, hundreds of thousands (millions) years ago until now can put a sole claim on the supposedly creator ownership with no tested evidence today. If, CAPITAL IF, there is a creator, why should it be Islamic or Christian god? why can;t it the god that was created by religious people 4000 or 1 million years ago?
Why is tthe Islamic or Christian god about 2000 years ago are so much more credible than those gods that were equally worshipped 4000, 10,000 years ago? When man climb down from the tree on its journey, they had fears of the unknown and to appease the unknown, God inevitably come into forefront as human still do today. For an example, not along along 50years ago and before, the chinese believe on moon god and they appease the moon god by giving offereings. Today, the practice dont go well with more chinese today as we know about alot of the moon. Another example that even the citizens in developed country is prone to as well. When oil drips down from an oil painting of mary or some prophets, the the people attribute that to gods sending messages to the world and you get a line-up of them queving to see it and pray and pray. Fortunately, these can be explained today.
This is not Islam bashings. We are just discussing opening up our minds to other possibilities.
Can! It is the same thing. The No God IS the God. "
"No god "means no god, not No God is the God, twisted to your interpretation. No means no.
And when you go to the beginning of times at the Big Bang, you are implying there is one point of creation and you attribute that to God creation by the sound of it. No religion, Islamic or Christian God or any other religion god from the beginning of modern man, hundreds of thousands (millions) years ago until now can put a sole claim on the supposedly creator ownership with no tested evidence today. If, CAPITAL IF, there is a creator, why should it be Islamic or Christian god? why can;t it the god that was created by religious people 4000 or 1 million years ago?
Why is tthe Islamic or Christian god about 2000 years ago are so much more credible than those gods that were equally worshipped 4000, 10,000 years ago? When man climb down from the tree on its journey, they had fears of the unknown and to appease the unknown, God inevitably come into forefront as human still do today. For an example, not along along 50years ago and before, the chinese believe on moon god and they appease the moon god by giving offereings. Today, the practice dont go well with more chinese today as we know about alot of the moon. Another example that even the citizens in developed country is prone to as well. When oil drips down from an oil painting of mary or some prophets, the the people attribute that to gods sending messages to the world and you get a line-up of them queving to see it and pray and pray. Fortunately, these can be explained today.
This is not Islam bashings. We are just discussing opening up our minds to other possibilities.
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written by pixieface, August 22, 2010 11:07:55
written by pixieface, August 22, 2010 11:07:55
America, I agree with you.
Maybe RPK should comment about the freedom of choice of religion for malays in malaysia. That would be very thought provoking and that would turn the Jakim and ulamas upside down.
As far as we all know, the malays in malaysia, do not have a choice of religion but Islam
Am I right ???? Why ???
Isn't the late Yasser Arafat's wife a christian ???
In indonesia also, there are spouses who are muslim and christians .
Or is there somebody playing GOD in malaysia ?????
Maybe RPK should comment about the freedom of choice of religion for malays in malaysia. That would be very thought provoking and that would turn the Jakim and ulamas upside down.
As far as we all know, the malays in malaysia, do not have a choice of religion but Islam
Am I right ???? Why ???
Isn't the late Yasser Arafat's wife a christian ???
In indonesia also, there are spouses who are muslim and christians .
Or is there somebody playing GOD in malaysia ?????
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written by temenggong, August 22, 2010 10:01:42
written by temenggong, August 22, 2010 10:01:42
Better My, I don't quite understand what you write. You should change your writing style and be more forthright.
Can! It is the same thing. The No God IS the God. The pre-universe, pre-creation, is not Nothingness but Everythingness!
Our universe is around 13.70 billion years old. It was created at Time Zero - the point of "singularity" at which there was nothing: no matter, no space, no time. Within this absolute space-time vacuum (postulated by the Hawking-Penrose singularity theorems based on Einstein's general theory of relativity), an event occurred which no leading scientist has yet been able to fully explain. That event probably involved the mutual annihilation of a positron-electron twin pair carrying identical (positive and negative) charges and mass. The result of this vacuum fluctuation was the Big Bang, the widely accepted theory of how our universe began.
Before Time Zero, during the pre-universe "nothingness", it is hypothesised that constant and instantaneous mutual annihilation of positron-electrons pairs occurred several trillion times every second. These multiple collisions cancelled each other out, leading to a perpetual state of zero mass, zero time and zero space - the perfect vacuum. The mutual annihilation of electrons and positrons, however, occurred in unimaginably small crevices of time - 10-100 seconds or less.
To the observer nothing was occurring the event started and ended before it could be observed and therefore, as far as the observer was concerned, had not occurred at all. From this nothingness a freak, once-in-a-quadrillion positron-electron pair escaped mutual annihilation 13.70 billion years ago, causing the Big Bang and the creation of our universe as well as a "mirror" negative universe.
Why there has to be one god? Why not there be a "no god" option?
Can! It is the same thing. The No God IS the God. The pre-universe, pre-creation, is not Nothingness but Everythingness!
Our universe is around 13.70 billion years old. It was created at Time Zero - the point of "singularity" at which there was nothing: no matter, no space, no time. Within this absolute space-time vacuum (postulated by the Hawking-Penrose singularity theorems based on Einstein's general theory of relativity), an event occurred which no leading scientist has yet been able to fully explain. That event probably involved the mutual annihilation of a positron-electron twin pair carrying identical (positive and negative) charges and mass. The result of this vacuum fluctuation was the Big Bang, the widely accepted theory of how our universe began.
Before Time Zero, during the pre-universe "nothingness", it is hypothesised that constant and instantaneous mutual annihilation of positron-electrons pairs occurred several trillion times every second. These multiple collisions cancelled each other out, leading to a perpetual state of zero mass, zero time and zero space - the perfect vacuum. The mutual annihilation of electrons and positrons, however, occurred in unimaginably small crevices of time - 10-100 seconds or less.
To the observer nothing was occurring the event started and ended before it could be observed and therefore, as far as the observer was concerned, had not occurred at all. From this nothingness a freak, once-in-a-quadrillion positron-electron pair escaped mutual annihilation 13.70 billion years ago, causing the Big Bang and the creation of our universe as well as a "mirror" negative universe.
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written by Better My, August 22, 2010 09:49:30
written by Better My, August 22, 2010 09:49:30
written by Msahibul56, August 22, 2010 00:24:42
All these remind me of some verses in the Quran which state that:
"And surely the religion is one religion and I am your Lord. so observe Me,"
"But the people have divided the religion into sects, each happy with what they have."
"Thus leave them in their blunder for awhile."
(Surah 23: 52-54)
Surah was brought up by Malay Ultraman as well,
This could easily have been in the Christian scriptures. I wont be the leasrt surpised there is some equivalent to this message.
I say these are well written words and sentences,; so are the many speechwriters today, very good at their craft. I read many great lines in modern christian religious books and in the many lyrics of the many church songs today, suspported by contemprary rock music, so alien 2000 years ago. Does great lines and grerat music, so soothing and spiritual to the ears, gives added weight to "faith in god" is real?
Re written by temenggong, August 22, 2010 08:06 Yes of course there is only a one God "
Why there has to be one god? Why not there be a "no god" option?
Re written by temenggong, Religion is the quests for truths. People all over the world searched for truths and 'stumbled' into "
Why religion and the "search of the truth have to go hand in hand? I say the truth is you, the being.that is real. The good ethics, like good muslim/christian teachings, are the truths. Dealth will follow birth - thats the truth.
The word God, Satan, angels, prophets, all other religious terminology are all invented by people to suit their ways of describing thingsand instilling fear. Some or many characters in all holy books might have existed but they are all human beings, just like you and me.
This is not about Islam bashing. It is about discussion to open up our minds if we can permit them to do so. In saying the anti-god things, the good godly thoughts and associations for many, does goo dthings for the nation by pulling them together and not doing bad things, just as good ethics would do the same for others.
When religion is hijacked by the bad muslim BeEnd mob, every good muslm and christian must stand up to oppose the hijacking. The 90% proBeEnd Hindus Indian? Leave them to worship fire, especially the Zoroastrians and the Hindus till today, as Tememenggong says. If they want to get fire burnt to dealth by the BeEnd, be our guests but when you take the others down with you in your fiery deaths, then you are FECTed Hindus, as far as good non-Hindus are concerned.
All these remind me of some verses in the Quran which state that:
"And surely the religion is one religion and I am your Lord. so observe Me,"
"But the people have divided the religion into sects, each happy with what they have."
"Thus leave them in their blunder for awhile."
(Surah 23: 52-54)
Surah was brought up by Malay Ultraman as well,
This could easily have been in the Christian scriptures. I wont be the leasrt surpised there is some equivalent to this message.
I say these are well written words and sentences,; so are the many speechwriters today, very good at their craft. I read many great lines in modern christian religious books and in the many lyrics of the many church songs today, suspported by contemprary rock music, so alien 2000 years ago. Does great lines and grerat music, so soothing and spiritual to the ears, gives added weight to "faith in god" is real?
Re written by temenggong, August 22, 2010 08:06 Yes of course there is only a one God "
Why there has to be one god? Why not there be a "no god" option?
Re written by temenggong, Religion is the quests for truths. People all over the world searched for truths and 'stumbled' into "
Why religion and the "search of the truth have to go hand in hand? I say the truth is you, the being.that is real. The good ethics, like good muslim/christian teachings, are the truths. Dealth will follow birth - thats the truth.
The word God, Satan, angels, prophets, all other religious terminology are all invented by people to suit their ways of describing thingsand instilling fear. Some or many characters in all holy books might have existed but they are all human beings, just like you and me.
This is not about Islam bashing. It is about discussion to open up our minds if we can permit them to do so. In saying the anti-god things, the good godly thoughts and associations for many, does goo dthings for the nation by pulling them together and not doing bad things, just as good ethics would do the same for others.
When religion is hijacked by the bad muslim BeEnd mob, every good muslm and christian must stand up to oppose the hijacking. The 90% proBeEnd Hindus Indian? Leave them to worship fire, especially the Zoroastrians and the Hindus till today, as Tememenggong says. If they want to get fire burnt to dealth by the BeEnd, be our guests but when you take the others down with you in your fiery deaths, then you are FECTed Hindus, as far as good non-Hindus are concerned.
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written by Better My, August 22, 2010 08:58:51
written by Better My, August 22, 2010 08:58:51
written by Surich, August 21, 2010 23:56:15 "Better My" said Compared to 2000-3000 years ago, we are infinitely ALOT more wiser. We are not easily deceived by magic, witchcrafts, fear tactics, etc.
David Copperfield can perform better magic. He is GOD to me. "
This is very true.
Even today, if you go to some backward middle eastern place and perform some simple magic, they would think you have special godly or satanic power. How do I know? I was there and I did exactly that. I lived with palestine in their run-down homes for 2 nites, on my journey past these "god lands, many years ago. I performed some simple magic and the responses I got was this "spiritual trance-like seeing-god look ", I could have crowned myself as the new messiah. I could probably perform the same illusion in the Sarawak Penan people or the Kalahari desert people of Africa and get the same type of response.
If I had performed Copperfield magic to these ignorant, I would be immediately put onto the crowning chair by the ignorant and worshipped as god.
This is not Islam or Christian bashing. This is saying it the way it is, as I am not bound on what I can say or not to say, in the name of any religion.
David Copperfield can perform better magic. He is GOD to me. "
This is very true.
Even today, if you go to some backward middle eastern place and perform some simple magic, they would think you have special godly or satanic power. How do I know? I was there and I did exactly that. I lived with palestine in their run-down homes for 2 nites, on my journey past these "god lands, many years ago. I performed some simple magic and the responses I got was this "spiritual trance-like seeing-god look ", I could have crowned myself as the new messiah. I could probably perform the same illusion in the Sarawak Penan people or the Kalahari desert people of Africa and get the same type of response.
If I had performed Copperfield magic to these ignorant, I would be immediately put onto the crowning chair by the ignorant and worshipped as god.
This is not Islam or Christian bashing. This is saying it the way it is, as I am not bound on what I can say or not to say, in the name of any religion.
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written by ibabonma, August 22, 2010 08:34:41
written by ibabonma, August 22, 2010 08:34:41
Islam is a very simple religion, it is the Muslim that makes it difficult and complicating.
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written by temenggong, August 22, 2010 08:06:24
written by temenggong, August 22, 2010 08:06:24
This is a question of substance over form. Yes of course there is only a one God and a one religion in substance, while in form and outlook the beliefs and practices vary significantly, often even vastly contradictory to one another. It is simply illogical to think there is more than one God.
But religions refuse to admit this simply because it would compromise their belief in the superiority of their own religion over the others. This refusal to admit is dishonesty and egoism. It is this refusal that is the cause of strive.
As to whether there was one original religion that mutated to many over time, I do not think so. Religion is the quests for truths. People all over the world searched for truths and 'stumbled' into it, simultaneously in many parts of the world. Hence the sprouting of many religions in all communities including the tribal societies. As they searched and meditated, inner doors were opened to them and more insights unfolded. A collection of these were the religious knowledge of that society. Of course the claim always is that it was given to them by a god or angel, hence a prophet.
Nearly all religions were fire worshippers, especially the Zoroastrians and the Hindus till today. The belief is that fire is the doorway (and not god) between this world and the other side, and fire is the medium through which communication between these two worlds can take place. Hence the offerings through the fire, for example in the chinese society. Ultimately, the offering of the body in cremation as the ultimate sacrifice.
Eastern religions as well as indigenous tribals religions all over the world have no connection whatsoever with the abrahamic faiths, which are fairly recent faiths in history. However eastern religions do trace continuity to the Sumerians. The Jewish religion does seem to have some connection with the Sumerians.
Muslims don't understand islam is because they don't want to. They don't want to know what it is not, and what it is. They just prefer to believe what they have been told. This applies to christians too largely. The imperialism in these religions is too much to let go.
But religions refuse to admit this simply because it would compromise their belief in the superiority of their own religion over the others. This refusal to admit is dishonesty and egoism. It is this refusal that is the cause of strive.
As to whether there was one original religion that mutated to many over time, I do not think so. Religion is the quests for truths. People all over the world searched for truths and 'stumbled' into it, simultaneously in many parts of the world. Hence the sprouting of many religions in all communities including the tribal societies. As they searched and meditated, inner doors were opened to them and more insights unfolded. A collection of these were the religious knowledge of that society. Of course the claim always is that it was given to them by a god or angel, hence a prophet.
Nearly all religions were fire worshippers, especially the Zoroastrians and the Hindus till today. The belief is that fire is the doorway (and not god) between this world and the other side, and fire is the medium through which communication between these two worlds can take place. Hence the offerings through the fire, for example in the chinese society. Ultimately, the offering of the body in cremation as the ultimate sacrifice.
Eastern religions as well as indigenous tribals religions all over the world have no connection whatsoever with the abrahamic faiths, which are fairly recent faiths in history. However eastern religions do trace continuity to the Sumerians. The Jewish religion does seem to have some connection with the Sumerians.
Muslims don't understand islam is because they don't want to. They don't want to know what it is not, and what it is. They just prefer to believe what they have been told. This applies to christians too largely. The imperialism in these religions is too much to let go.
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written by red1, August 22, 2010 07:46:02
written by red1, August 22, 2010 07:46:02
To say Muslims don't understand Islam is like calling them the way Ridhuan Tee uses the phrase ultra-kiasu. It is too general and prejudicial. Rather i prefer to say that due to Islam been there in the constitution and they are born into Islam, the tendency and urgency to know Islam is greatly diminished.
Further more, the Indo-Malayanised version of Islam as mixed with a Hindu past has even made Hari Raya into some unIslamic sounding festival. Alot of superficialities, covering the underlying pomposity and just ang paus colored green for the kids. This is no Islam as far as i been a Muslim convert (or revert) see it as today. And the P. Ramlee and Sudirman songs are not helping either.
Muslims today here in reality need a good wake up call. Islam is not inherited. It is earned and earned on a daily basis. Posessing an Abramic or Muhammadic name bears no bearing in the afterlife. In fact, i would suggest to remove Islam from the constitution and start from scratch. Allah will question those who do not in Akhirat, "Why you say what you did not do?"
Further more, the Indo-Malayanised version of Islam as mixed with a Hindu past has even made Hari Raya into some unIslamic sounding festival. Alot of superficialities, covering the underlying pomposity and just ang paus colored green for the kids. This is no Islam as far as i been a Muslim convert (or revert) see it as today. And the P. Ramlee and Sudirman songs are not helping either.
Muslims today here in reality need a good wake up call. Islam is not inherited. It is earned and earned on a daily basis. Posessing an Abramic or Muhammadic name bears no bearing in the afterlife. In fact, i would suggest to remove Islam from the constitution and start from scratch. Allah will question those who do not in Akhirat, "Why you say what you did not do?"
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written by Nunudada, August 22, 2010 07:45:27
written by Nunudada, August 22, 2010 07:45:27
Do a search on- ZEITGEIST,and watch this movie.It is free on the internet.Understand the creation and application of religions.There are greater things at this juncture of our existence to know and realize than to merely dabble in wasteful debate and intercourse on matters of insignificance.Faith is good and part of humanity.Blind faith is however detrimental to human development .We were meant to think for ourselves and assess a particular point in view.Merely following the dictates of a book or the words of some greatly admired personality,no matter how old in history it extends and how wide its reverence,does not do justice to an individuals capacity to think and decide.For thousands of years humanity has been subjected to brain-washing by "MASTERS" who were a few steps ahead of the rest and found the necessary tools to keep the social pool enslaved by directing their thought process.Today,we need to all start waking up and realize that humanity per se has been a victim of a most intricate and devious con game that was and is still being perpetrated by a few thousand individuals globally.These scums are being exposed gradually.but their secretive and sinister roots reach world wide into powerful bastions of religion,finance and politics.
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written by Navigator, August 22, 2010 05:52:45
written by Navigator, August 22, 2010 05:52:45
We are all confused about the term god. To the taoists, it is the way or nature. To others, it is the universal consciousness. Somehow, to the three Middle East religions, it is an entity called Jehovah. So when we use the word god, it means different things to different people. So let us be clear about this point.
Jehovah was a tribal god of the Israelites. In the Old Testament, he promised Abraham all the land he could survey if Abraham would accept him as god. He would also slay all his enemies. So Judaism is all about politics and hardly anything about leading a spiritual life. To this day, it is still the same. The Jews control USA which is now trying to control the world. To prove his point, Jehovah killed many Arabs in history. He even order the extermination of entire tribes, men, women, children and lifestock. This is god, the creator? Or is he just another entity? Let us not confuse power with divinity.
One fact baffles me. Why is it that the Arabs are now worshiping him as god when he was killing them as the mortal enemies of the Jews? What is he doing? In the early days of Islam, there were great mathematicians and scientists. Why are there hardly any now except Talibans? Maybe someone can give me a good intelligent answer.
Jehovah was a tribal god of the Israelites. In the Old Testament, he promised Abraham all the land he could survey if Abraham would accept him as god. He would also slay all his enemies. So Judaism is all about politics and hardly anything about leading a spiritual life. To this day, it is still the same. The Jews control USA which is now trying to control the world. To prove his point, Jehovah killed many Arabs in history. He even order the extermination of entire tribes, men, women, children and lifestock. This is god, the creator? Or is he just another entity? Let us not confuse power with divinity.
One fact baffles me. Why is it that the Arabs are now worshiping him as god when he was killing them as the mortal enemies of the Jews? What is he doing? In the early days of Islam, there were great mathematicians and scientists. Why are there hardly any now except Talibans? Maybe someone can give me a good intelligent answer.
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written by American, August 22, 2010 02:36:43
written by American, August 22, 2010 02:36:43
One very important point that was often left out in RPK's writings on Islam is that he does not stress that there is no personal freedom for a Malaysian Malay with regard to Islam. It is enshrined in the country's constitution that a Malay=Muslim/Islam and hence cannot make a free choice of other religion like for example to follow the teachings of Ayah Pin (which I thought was very cute and funny with the giant tea pot and all that plus some westerners believing in him too). A Christian can change anytime his own beliefs and if he/she wants to believe in UFO as the new religion no one can stop him except that he must also respect the rights of other individuals.
Even though like many other Americans, I do not like the idea of a mosque being built around the world trade center, however I do agree with Obama that Muslim do have the same right as any other religion to have their building at the World Trade Center. Can Malays act maturely like others with regard to their own religion when other Malays are wanting to convert to other faiths? Perhaps RPK could comment on this part about freedom to choose one's fatih in Islam?
Even though like many other Americans, I do not like the idea of a mosque being built around the world trade center, however I do agree with Obama that Muslim do have the same right as any other religion to have their building at the World Trade Center. Can Malays act maturely like others with regard to their own religion when other Malays are wanting to convert to other faiths? Perhaps RPK could comment on this part about freedom to choose one's fatih in Islam?
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written by a guest, August 22, 2010 02:22:52
written by a guest, August 22, 2010 02:22:52
Why not ask Harussani? He will probably say "God is Harussani, Harussani is god" Kow tim.
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written by Fart Fart Wah, August 22, 2010 01:53:07
written by Fart Fart Wah, August 22, 2010 01:53:07
There is good in Islam..It is the bad that is being practiced. There is total respect for women in Islam but the bad is being practiced...where they now remain subservient to men. There is true worship in Islam..but it is being practiced in badly. You do not have to have loud hailers to remind and wake up even the dogs for worship...we can do it quietly and do it with love for God. There is a fast which is good in Islam..but practiced badly..3/4 of the work is not done ..sometimes no work at all..and others are forced not to eat indirectly by closing all the canteens so that they do not tempt ..( what intolerance and understanding)..worse many eat quietly by buying quietly for example...In TNB some go marketing to prepare for the buka puasa and I do not know how many other GLCs this is happening. There is good in Islam for it teaches that we respect all kinds of people and live peacefully but the bad is being practiced..they call others pendatangs, kelings and all sorts of names.Islam teaches that all are equal in Allah's eyes but the bad is being practiced. There are some who constantly demand 30% from the others and say that they have this right to take it. Islam encourages education and is good. It teaches us to open our minds to the good and to learn to develop and invent things using our brain and work together to improve the world. Our educationists teach otherwise that others are kafirs and are not the same and in schools they tell our children to balik cina or India. In the Universities our so called learned professors instead of uniting students as a good Muslim encourage this rift and widen it more. Islam is good and it is fair..but it takes the best from other children who are better and gives it to muslim children who are weaker academically using race as the trump card and forces others to accept disciplines they do not like. Islam is fair but not practiced for it gives scholarships and benefits to Muslim children who do not qualify and send them overseas but restrict the others from doing so. And these Muslim kids are supposed to come back and help other Muslim kids but they do not come back..Islam is fair.in the work place. If someone is good he is recognized but here the best is always second in command or third because he is not a Malay and not a Muslim..because a kafir cannot be as fair as a non-kafir..taught in schools. The(boss) individual is supposed to work like a good Muslim..but is found not there most times either in golf course or planning to marry another one in Thailand. Islam is good..it says take care of your wife and children.first ..but not practiced. Once the wife is old or not good enough she is divorced and he moves in with an ever ready younger one( who has been taught it is ok to steal another woman's husband as their job is to please and serve the men)..or divorced easily for spurious reasons because the talak is on the men's side. And if the wife says no..run to Thailand and marry quietly.Meanwhile the women divorced young or old , they have to turn to living with men who take advantage of them or become prostitutes.and dump babies..AGs bonking their employees , DPP bonking their client And Islam is good because it will take care of these women using tax-payers money. Islam is good... Islam is good as it teaches to deal with things halal..but it is not practiced...they make wearing t-shirts haram..smoking is ok., zina is ok, and bribery is ok...( no fatwa) Islam is good and it is supposed to fight justice for those who are treated wrongly...but not practiced..everyone knows Anwar is innocent and we do not have all Muslims to defend him via syariah although this is the way in Islam( no 4 witness). No demos for Anwar( but one Jew lands in KLIA the whole of KL goes amok)..no demos for badly treated young muslim girls( MBs sleeping with them), no demos for child marriages..Islam is good...yeh Islamis good...they all can go back at 4.30pm to buka puasa while the rest continue to work.. and it is the non-muslims who have to be tolerant....yeh islam is good..
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written by Fart Fart Wah, August 22, 2010 01:00:05
written by Fart Fart Wah, August 22, 2010 01:00:05
That former makan babi fellow RiddenHuan is a shrewed chinamen. He has gone into UMNO and is using their music and media to fill his pockets. As I told you before there are bodoh Malays and bodoh sombong malays..and you will find them in Utusan Moolayu. So our RiddenHuan is riding on the Malayss like our Mamak who had a nice ride and is still riding on them. Andthe bodoh Malays will believe that this guy is on their side...I wonder if RiddenHuan has char siew queitly on the side like the mamak who had quiet dinners in Ipoh with a Ipoh chinaman for selling his Queen Bandy for him waay back in the 1960's.
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written by Motherchell, August 22, 2010 00:48:45
written by Motherchell, August 22, 2010 00:48:45
apologies for typo---The 16th century astronomer Copernicus whose findings were condemned by the Roman Catholic Church as heretical, ......
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written by Motherchell, August 22, 2010 00:42:10
written by Motherchell, August 22, 2010 00:42:10
While this is never my favorite subject, i concur with my dear Usurpur, and Temanmu. By taking some sometime to sit down to chat is a wonderful journey for the intellect. There are of course those who do not want us to speak. Knowledge of these kinds give the means to meanings and for those who lend in their ears, there is quiet dissipation of reason. Since when did God or whatever one calls , give those rights to a State or a modern commercial "Prophet" attired in Zegna the right to control ones mind? The cruelty,injustices, intolerance and oppression practiced by the so called "Prophets ""of Greed in Power pronounce as what they can read and found secrets to the way the minds could be solicited for submission. Many in Bolehland we know run Institutions for their Masters just to conspire to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense.
Fear got the best of the majority and in turn they demanded in return was your silence and obedient consent.
This reminds me of one example of what RPK is saying above. The debate over Al Jazeera where YAB Zulkefy Ahmad, Marina Mahathir and a"" novice"( cant make out his name). While YAB spoke with flawless scholarship-- the minion replied with obstinate stupidity!!
With the advent of the sciences the World has gone far in leaps and bounds while the demented are still craving for the drops of crumbs with sour honey.
Even the 16th-century astronomer whose findings were condemned by the Roman Catholic Church as heretical, is found to have made himself a good citizen of the World or there would be no new moon to celebrate.
Cheers to all in the name of mankind!!
Since when was Toyol, Albozo, Kriss, passed the baton from God to come out with their own versions ?
Fear got the best of the majority and in turn they demanded in return was your silence and obedient consent.
This reminds me of one example of what RPK is saying above. The debate over Al Jazeera where YAB Zulkefy Ahmad, Marina Mahathir and a"" novice"( cant make out his name). While YAB spoke with flawless scholarship-- the minion replied with obstinate stupidity!!
With the advent of the sciences the World has gone far in leaps and bounds while the demented are still craving for the drops of crumbs with sour honey.
Even the 16th-century astronomer whose findings were condemned by the Roman Catholic Church as heretical, is found to have made himself a good citizen of the World or there would be no new moon to celebrate.
Cheers to all in the name of mankind!!
Since when was Toyol, Albozo, Kriss, passed the baton from God to come out with their own versions ?
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written by Msahibul56, August 22, 2010 00:24:42
written by Msahibul56, August 22, 2010 00:24:42
All these remind me of some verses in the Quran which state that:
"And surely the religion is one religion and I am your Lord. so observe Me,"
"But the people have divided the religion into sects, each happy with what they have."
"Thus leave them in their blunder for awhile."
(Surah 23: 52-54)
"And surely the religion is one religion and I am your Lord. so observe Me,"
"But the people have divided the religion into sects, each happy with what they have."
"Thus leave them in their blunder for awhile."
(Surah 23: 52-54)
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written by DPG, August 22, 2010 00:11:30
written by DPG, August 22, 2010 00:11:30
On any Friday, if you were to stand outside a mosque when Friday prayers are held(no need to stand very near as the speakers will be blaring out their sermon so that anyone within a radius of 200 meters can hear it loud and clear), you can hear the Imam saying that there is Allah and his only prophet Mohammad, pbuh. The Islamists always insists that there is only one prophet, Mohammad, pbuh, and that too in spite of what the Koran says. So if there are hundreds and thousands of prophets in all corners of the globe, then it follows that there must be hundreds of religions all over the world! Try telling this to a Muslim, the fanatic type, who will say that Islam is the only true religion and all other religions are false, and that followers of other religions will go to hell.
I believe the Chinese taoists/buddhists are the only people who accept that there are many other prophets and saints, thus other religions. As a result, the Chinese pay homage and pray to many dieties and prophets. It is not uncommon to see Chinese buddhists/taoists go into, say, a Hindu temple, and even pray there.
And here comes the 64 milliion ringgit question, 'if all prophets/religions come from God, why is it that there are so much differences amongst the religions? Does God give different rules/laws to different peoples? Can we imagine in the existence of such a God?
I believe the Chinese taoists/buddhists are the only people who accept that there are many other prophets and saints, thus other religions. As a result, the Chinese pay homage and pray to many dieties and prophets. It is not uncommon to see Chinese buddhists/taoists go into, say, a Hindu temple, and even pray there.
And here comes the 64 milliion ringgit question, 'if all prophets/religions come from God, why is it that there are so much differences amongst the religions? Does God give different rules/laws to different peoples? Can we imagine in the existence of such a God?
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written by Davy McChester, August 22, 2010 00:09:15
written by Davy McChester, August 22, 2010 00:09:15
One has a closet mind and afraid of a discourse ,criticism included ,while the other ,which is RPK ,ever ready to talk about things and also ready to participate ,debate ,consider different opinions,different thoughts and hold his horses for another day . The closet mind is capable of having your head on a silver platter if his beliefs could not provide a logical (or a believable one) answer for a highly developed varied minds living in the 21st century that will not simply accept without putting up a challenge. That is where the problem lies:the closet mind can become aggressive and violent when a argument becomes a problem for him. By his closet nature ,he is as dangerous as the Taliban: his way or the highway ,which also may include your head on a golden platter. A closet mind is capable of twisting the facts and make anything appear an affront to his beliefs. And that is what is wrong : the closet mind takes great satisfaction having more sheep being led away without any resistance .That is the problem of the individuals fear of questioning his political leaders ,the political ideology because a few control freaks like the closet mind are capable of turning the whole community against the individual .The closet- minded will have a big problem adding new converts to his beliefs without branding a sword in the 21 century ,while RPK may not have a big,big,community ,nor strength in numbers ,but the quality of his followers is enough to win the battles .It is brain power ,like star wars. Not camel warfare ! Detoxify the brainwashed for a better world for all human beings.The individual brain power is the center of human progress. Let him out of the genie bottle and compete with world with brain power,not with a sword ,oppression ,suppression and violence. The world needs more RPKs ,not Talibans with a closet mind .
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written by Surich, August 21, 2010 23:56:15
written by Surich, August 21, 2010 23:56:15
"Better My" said
"Re: When the prophets delivered the message about "ilah" and the only God, there were sceptics, denials and rejection very much like what we are seeing in MT."
Compared to 2000-3000 years ago, we are infinitely ALOT more wiser. We are not easily deceived by magic, witchcrafts, fear tactics, etc. Most things can be explained scientifically. If they are not, religion has no mortgage on the unknown either. So, if a new second coming self-proclaimed "Jesus Christ is to turn today and start to perform the miracles as the ones he performed 2000 years ago, the performances wil be put through the highest scrutiny with our much increase in knowledge. Today, more of us dont want to be conned of acts and money. "
David Copperfield can perform better magic. He is GOD to me.
"Re: When the prophets delivered the message about "ilah" and the only God, there were sceptics, denials and rejection very much like what we are seeing in MT."
Compared to 2000-3000 years ago, we are infinitely ALOT more wiser. We are not easily deceived by magic, witchcrafts, fear tactics, etc. Most things can be explained scientifically. If they are not, religion has no mortgage on the unknown either. So, if a new second coming self-proclaimed "Jesus Christ is to turn today and start to perform the miracles as the ones he performed 2000 years ago, the performances wil be put through the highest scrutiny with our much increase in knowledge. Today, more of us dont want to be conned of acts and money. "
David Copperfield can perform better magic. He is GOD to me.
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written by antares, August 21, 2010 23:26:21
written by antares, August 21, 2010 23:26:21
Even the word “Absolute” or “Mutlak” is unfitting to describe the attributions of the One and only God. These adjectives are mere relative attributes so that we can describe the attribution of true God. True God attributions of the one God is beyond this! The great Sufi Ibnu ‘Arabi wrote in one of his writings “Everyday I feast on God and that everyday God feasted on me!”. How many people can understand this great Sufi. Each year the Society organizes Symposia in the U.K. and the U.S.A. on an aspect of Ibn 'Arabi's work. Why? What do these people see that we don't? What we see is just the universal attributions of All Mighty God – the attributions of manifestation Allah, Asma-Ul_Husna! True meaning of Islam goes beyond – to put simply true Islam teaches the ummah to seek the way - “Selamat di dunia dan di akhirat!
The way Muslims being preached – as if there two entities there are two conflicting realms, there is the realm of God and then Satan. Don’t we all know it that the attributions of Satan are within ourselves. Why are we arguing?
The way Muslims being preached – as if there two entities there are two conflicting realms, there is the realm of God and then Satan. Don’t we all know it that the attributions of Satan are within ourselves. Why are we arguing?
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written by cheekhiaw, August 21, 2010 23:18:07
written by cheekhiaw, August 21, 2010 23:18:07
Islam says that 124,000 Prophets were sent by God although only 25 are mentioned by name in the Quran. And, according to Islam, every community without exception received a Prophet, sometimes more than one at one time.
The gods sent 123,999 prophets in 30 plus generations but then decided to stop doing that after the 124,000th fella. And the gods put all of them on asses, donkeys and camels for those long trips from heaven and they all therefore had to travel light and did not even carry pencil and paper!
As a result of that ‘end-of-despatch’ decision, close to 100 generations after that had missed out on the opportunity to rub shoulder with (and the concommittant bragging rights - imagine how big a ‘tuan’ some people would feel like) great holy postmen riding on bicycles, trains, airships, helicopters, jet planes and space shuttles...
That may be also explain why there are now so many idiots in this Multimedia Age (of internet, Blu-Ray CDs and thumbdrives) that still cannot get those so-important messages correctly. Perhaps they can blame those god's travel-light postmen for not even putting their messages down properly on paper and left that all important task to some one else 100 years after the last fella had 'gone home'.
Even then, the god's had to trouble those god's messengers' disciple script writers (strangely there is no special mention by the gods about these script writers) so much that the latter had to go all the way to Afghanistan/Tajikistan to whack some Tang chinamen army so that they can catch af few Tang chinamen who knew how to make paper!
If Alexander had gone further east than he did and whack the Qin chinamen earlier, the 123,999th prophet might have claimed that privilege but too bad Alexander chose the Indians instead.
But then what I don’t understand is why those gods could not just plant a few freaking satellites in the skies above and have them beam their freaking messages to any idiot that wants to receive their messages in their TRUE ORIGINAL form via their 3G mobile devices.
Heck, show those fellas their singing Houris on 3D too, and they will be scrambling to go home…and let the gods live with those idiots.
The gods sent 123,999 prophets in 30 plus generations but then decided to stop doing that after the 124,000th fella. And the gods put all of them on asses, donkeys and camels for those long trips from heaven and they all therefore had to travel light and did not even carry pencil and paper!
As a result of that ‘end-of-despatch’ decision, close to 100 generations after that had missed out on the opportunity to rub shoulder with (and the concommittant bragging rights - imagine how big a ‘tuan’ some people would feel like) great holy postmen riding on bicycles, trains, airships, helicopters, jet planes and space shuttles...
That may be also explain why there are now so many idiots in this Multimedia Age (of internet, Blu-Ray CDs and thumbdrives) that still cannot get those so-important messages correctly. Perhaps they can blame those god's travel-light postmen for not even putting their messages down properly on paper and left that all important task to some one else 100 years after the last fella had 'gone home'.
Even then, the god's had to trouble those god's messengers' disciple script writers (strangely there is no special mention by the gods about these script writers) so much that the latter had to go all the way to Afghanistan/Tajikistan to whack some Tang chinamen army so that they can catch af few Tang chinamen who knew how to make paper!
If Alexander had gone further east than he did and whack the Qin chinamen earlier, the 123,999th prophet might have claimed that privilege but too bad Alexander chose the Indians instead.
But then what I don’t understand is why those gods could not just plant a few freaking satellites in the skies above and have them beam their freaking messages to any idiot that wants to receive their messages in their TRUE ORIGINAL form via their 3G mobile devices.
Heck, show those fellas their singing Houris on 3D too, and they will be scrambling to go home…and let the gods live with those idiots.
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written by imanj, August 21, 2010 23:11:04
written by imanj, August 21, 2010 23:11:04
Dear Rpk,
I knew it...My comment to your other article did say that many will not understand what you had written and now you have confirmed it...
Like the last article I will toast to this one too...You have a blast....
I knew it...My comment to your other article did say that many will not understand what you had written and now you have confirmed it...
Like the last article I will toast to this one too...You have a blast....
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written by batsman, August 21, 2010 22:51:37
written by batsman, August 21, 2010 22:51:37
I gues if faith in religion is not reliable, then faith in UMNO secularism is no better. What do you guys think of faith in US secularism? If you think it is better than faith in religion then read the latest sodomy 3 ....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11047025
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11047025
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written by Better My, August 21, 2010 22:50:45
written by Better My, August 21, 2010 22:50:45
Since Malay Ultraman is rehashed, I put my discussion points (not bashing) on Ultraman on a different perspective.
Re: Faith is so precious. Yet, it doesn’t carry a price tag. It can’t be bought or sold. Even a father can’t transfer the same faith to his children. "
This could easily have been said by a dedicated christian. It is saying much about nothing to me.
Re: Being a Muslim, as what being written in scriptures, Allah had sent down thousands of anointed prophets"
Christian have similar story lines - holy scriptures. They are all written by human beings, very primitive in knowledge, like anyone today, with no evidence of them ever written by god themselves.
Re: When the prophets delivered the message about "ilah" and the only God, there were sceptics, denials and rejection very much like what we are seeing in MT."
Compared to 2000-3000 years ago, we are infinitely ALOT more wiser. We are not easily deceived by magic, witchcrafts, fear tactics, etc. Most things can be explained scientifically. If they are not, religion has no mortgage on the unknown either. So, if a new second coming self-proclaimed "Jesus Christ is to turn today and start to perform the miracles as the ones he performed 2000 years ago, the performances wil be put through the highest scrutiny with our much increase in knowledge. Today, more of us dont want to be conned of acts and money.
Re; MT has always been a good platform to bash Islam. I never see anybody bash other religions"
No, you are wrong on two counts.
1) More of the discussion (not bahsing) on Islam are not on Islam but on the bad practices of Islam by bad muslim people. Of course there are exceptions but you have every right to point out the inaccuracies, from a good muslim, Thats how muslim can learn to improve and have their their faith/beliefs tested for the better.
2) You only choose to see what your mind tell you to see. Do you see the reply to your comments as Islam bashing or a point of discussion from people of different perspective on religon in general?
In saying my set piece which is at odds to your staunch Muslim and Christian beliefs, most of us who are not with you or the christians, respect your faith and beliefs totally and the nation spending $$ to encourage average person on the street to hold the faith which is so important to them. Faith is good for the many rakyat in many ways which is a good thing.
It is when faith and religions is abused, used by politicians, like the way the bad BeEnd/sob FOC muslim mob do, such as "Divide muslim and rule", "West Vs Muslim", Muslim extremism/Perkasa type to get to the Malay voters, then malaysia suffers so very much. The best rakyat are denied to run the country to lift the country out of our poverty for every single "VIP rakyat. How do you solve the problem as the religion is very tricky issue and becomes very emotional to many, especially when all muslim have been compulsorily educated from the very young age and for many decades by the government with no freedom of choice to religion or not (for a malay)
The point of my address is not to put everthing into one basket - faith in god, faith in gods salvation, faith in god solving Malaysia problems. Better to do good things on earth now for our own conscience, compassion, and human being developments. Faith may not be what it cracks to be as there are full of loopholes when you look at them analytically, from one who questons. I know these are very contrary to your muslim or christian indoctrination and hard to stomach, even offensive to many. But I offer my hand to shake with all muslim and christains in peace after we have made our points.
Malay Ultraman & other malay - write more on related issue for discussion (not bashing). When Malaysian muslim can take opposite views after discussion and shake hands without burning assets, you would have matured and ready to lead the world on muslim issues to bring religions of the world together, including those that have full of questions.
Re: Faith is so precious. Yet, it doesn’t carry a price tag. It can’t be bought or sold. Even a father can’t transfer the same faith to his children. "
This could easily have been said by a dedicated christian. It is saying much about nothing to me.
Re: Being a Muslim, as what being written in scriptures, Allah had sent down thousands of anointed prophets"
Christian have similar story lines - holy scriptures. They are all written by human beings, very primitive in knowledge, like anyone today, with no evidence of them ever written by god themselves.
Re: When the prophets delivered the message about "ilah" and the only God, there were sceptics, denials and rejection very much like what we are seeing in MT."
Compared to 2000-3000 years ago, we are infinitely ALOT more wiser. We are not easily deceived by magic, witchcrafts, fear tactics, etc. Most things can be explained scientifically. If they are not, religion has no mortgage on the unknown either. So, if a new second coming self-proclaimed "Jesus Christ is to turn today and start to perform the miracles as the ones he performed 2000 years ago, the performances wil be put through the highest scrutiny with our much increase in knowledge. Today, more of us dont want to be conned of acts and money.
Re; MT has always been a good platform to bash Islam. I never see anybody bash other religions"
No, you are wrong on two counts.
1) More of the discussion (not bahsing) on Islam are not on Islam but on the bad practices of Islam by bad muslim people. Of course there are exceptions but you have every right to point out the inaccuracies, from a good muslim, Thats how muslim can learn to improve and have their their faith/beliefs tested for the better.
2) You only choose to see what your mind tell you to see. Do you see the reply to your comments as Islam bashing or a point of discussion from people of different perspective on religon in general?
In saying my set piece which is at odds to your staunch Muslim and Christian beliefs, most of us who are not with you or the christians, respect your faith and beliefs totally and the nation spending $$ to encourage average person on the street to hold the faith which is so important to them. Faith is good for the many rakyat in many ways which is a good thing.
It is when faith and religions is abused, used by politicians, like the way the bad BeEnd/sob FOC muslim mob do, such as "Divide muslim and rule", "West Vs Muslim", Muslim extremism/Perkasa type to get to the Malay voters, then malaysia suffers so very much. The best rakyat are denied to run the country to lift the country out of our poverty for every single "VIP rakyat. How do you solve the problem as the religion is very tricky issue and becomes very emotional to many, especially when all muslim have been compulsorily educated from the very young age and for many decades by the government with no freedom of choice to religion or not (for a malay)
The point of my address is not to put everthing into one basket - faith in god, faith in gods salvation, faith in god solving Malaysia problems. Better to do good things on earth now for our own conscience, compassion, and human being developments. Faith may not be what it cracks to be as there are full of loopholes when you look at them analytically, from one who questons. I know these are very contrary to your muslim or christian indoctrination and hard to stomach, even offensive to many. But I offer my hand to shake with all muslim and christains in peace after we have made our points.
Malay Ultraman & other malay - write more on related issue for discussion (not bashing). When Malaysian muslim can take opposite views after discussion and shake hands without burning assets, you would have matured and ready to lead the world on muslim issues to bring religions of the world together, including those that have full of questions.
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written by bigben, August 21, 2010 22:36:36
written by bigben, August 21, 2010 22:36:36
With all this debate on Christianity and Islam, everyone seems to have forgotten that 2/5th of the world's population belong to neither religion but are living in peace and prosperity. For people who are still living in the dark ages, I'm refering to the Chinese. All Chinese, Korean, and Japanese irrespective of religion are brought up according to the Taoist/Confucion way of life. It is based on very basic and simple philosophies. One of them is not to do wrong unto others. We live life without restictions. We are free to pursue anything we desire as long as we do not cause harm to others. The founders of Confucionism and Taosism unlike the Abrahamic faith, called their teachings philosophy and not religion and did not set out to control their followers, deciples and students through fear but through wisdom and logic, As a result, we carry no baggage and sense of guilt like the Abrahamic religions. These religions ultimately work on human greed and fear. It makes even the most intellegent men believe that they can commit all kinds of evil and wrong and can get away with it by just asking for forgiveness from his so called god. Maybe that is how muslim children are brought to believe. Maybe that is why the Islamic world is so full of violence and crime.
Right and wrong is quite simple to differentiate actually. Just don't do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you.
RPK could be the next prophet to enlighten the muslims and bring them out of the dark ages. Change with times or forever be left behind.
Right and wrong is quite simple to differentiate actually. Just don't do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you.
RPK could be the next prophet to enlighten the muslims and bring them out of the dark ages. Change with times or forever be left behind.
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written by albert zacharias, August 21, 2010 21:54:38
written by albert zacharias, August 21, 2010 21:54:38
Some Simple Christians... blame everything that is going wrong on GOD. They want all their prayers to be yes and only good things to befall them. They cannot accept God when God answers NO! They are like small children who asked for candy and when the parents say No, they feel and express that their parents don't love them anymore. They do not understand that more candy will bring tooth decay and obesity!
When christian prayers are not answered they say there is no God!
There was a story told that Satan one day went to church and the christians put their every blame on Satan...even when they cannot fart. Satan heard and went home crying because he was so sad.
come on lah christians and others likes of christians. Grow up! Don't be a baby! Get virgins in heavens only happy kah??? Where got so many virgins to go round lah???
When christian prayers are not answered they say there is no God!
There was a story told that Satan one day went to church and the christians put their every blame on Satan...even when they cannot fart. Satan heard and went home crying because he was so sad.
come on lah christians and others likes of christians. Grow up! Don't be a baby! Get virgins in heavens only happy kah??? Where got so many virgins to go round lah???
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written by albert zacharias, August 21, 2010 21:42:20
written by albert zacharias, August 21, 2010 21:42:20
RPK is being very civil and tolerant of ultraman's ignorance lah! There is a great chasm in knowledge and understanding of religion by ultraman and yet RPK is so generous to explain it... I bet ultraman can't even draw a timeline of various religion's emergence starting from Abraham...hehe hehe..
I've tested many a Muslim and asked them when was Prophet M. birthday given 5000BC to 1000AD and they can't put a spot to it! How to be a religion fanatic??? To be a religion fanatic one has to live, eat, sleep religion. I was on voluntary leave without work for 3 years exploring my religion and today I am not better. Many fanatics become bitter and not better and start bombing the innocents.
Some religion uses sex to entice fanatics to blow themselves up! Some believe by sheer abstenence they can become Buddha and so on...
Our knowlege and wisdom chasms is so great that we are not even qualified to be the Almighty's footstool lah! How can we start to even defend our own religion when we can't even understand basic doctrines???
Malu lah ultraman. Sorry I am not so kind like RPK when it comes to religion because I kena ketok teruk many times. Now I go research first before I speak to man and God lah!
Ultraman... jadi simple man better lah. Your name give your true self away lah!
I've tested many a Muslim and asked them when was Prophet M. birthday given 5000BC to 1000AD and they can't put a spot to it! How to be a religion fanatic??? To be a religion fanatic one has to live, eat, sleep religion. I was on voluntary leave without work for 3 years exploring my religion and today I am not better. Many fanatics become bitter and not better and start bombing the innocents.
Some religion uses sex to entice fanatics to blow themselves up! Some believe by sheer abstenence they can become Buddha and so on...
Our knowlege and wisdom chasms is so great that we are not even qualified to be the Almighty's footstool lah! How can we start to even defend our own religion when we can't even understand basic doctrines???
Malu lah ultraman. Sorry I am not so kind like RPK when it comes to religion because I kena ketok teruk many times. Now I go research first before I speak to man and God lah!
Ultraman... jadi simple man better lah. Your name give your true self away lah!
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written by Wally, August 21, 2010 21:15:59
written by Wally, August 21, 2010 21:15:59
If you want to know where Satan currently lives, go and watch "The Satan Pit" on BBC Entertainment (Doctor Who). It mixes current day sci-fi with religion and is guaranteed to make even a non-believer think a bit..............
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written by KetamPadang, August 21, 2010 20:36:26
written by KetamPadang, August 21, 2010 20:36:26
Yea.. GIGO - Garbage In Garbage Out. Religion is a Myth? I once asked a Priest what he knows about Heaven. His short answer was this "Holy Place" Then I asked him who live there He told me that "God the Father and Angels" I asked him who is this guy Satan He answered that this person was a Fallen Angel, that is an Angel in Heaven.
SIN FROM HEAVEN
Satan was thrown out from Heaven after a revolt in Heaven. The Book of the Christian mentioned that one third of the Angel were guilty and thrown out from Heaven...
The point here is this that Heaven is Holy BUT there exist the Evil thought The question is Holy Heaven BUT EVIL thoughts were allowed by God in Heaven
]What God's plan?
Ha I think I believe the idea that someday SATAN MAY REPENT and led a movement worldwide campaign of repentance and obedience to one God. It seems God allows Satan to live in this world for quiet sometime now after all many believe that God is Love Then Satan back to Heaven at last GIGOGI Garbage In Garbage Out Garbage In
SIN FROM HEAVEN
Satan was thrown out from Heaven after a revolt in Heaven. The Book of the Christian mentioned that one third of the Angel were guilty and thrown out from Heaven...
The point here is this that Heaven is Holy BUT there exist the Evil thought The question is Holy Heaven BUT EVIL thoughts were allowed by God in Heaven
]What God's plan?
Ha I think I believe the idea that someday SATAN MAY REPENT and led a movement worldwide campaign of repentance and obedience to one God. It seems God allows Satan to live in this world for quiet sometime now after all many believe that God is Love Then Satan back to Heaven at last GIGOGI Garbage In Garbage Out Garbage In
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written by usurper, August 21, 2010 19:16:23
written by usurper, August 21, 2010 19:16:23
GOD cannot be a religionist!!! HE IS ALL. Only man is a religionist because his understanding is minute. Man only knows pseudo-truths in the best case scenario and knows nothing in the worst case scenario. Really GOD is too far fetched for this minute brain of man. But then again Malay Ultraman is lost and so are we PET. GOD is good and evil. A greta creator cannot be only good and not evil. Then again who says evil is bad! Its only a perception. Like the 3 phases H2O (Water), Ice, water and vapour; life's many aspects too can be in differing states. After all lack of light is darkness. There is no state as brightness, only a state of less light. So likewise a state of less good is more evil. Like water exist as ice and vapour all else too can reverberate between these states such as Carbon that is charcoal, wood or diamond. Now if this is getting confusing, don't you think it is better that we settle for a strong glass of GUINNESS STOUT the alternate state of the spirit.
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written by earthman, August 21, 2010 19:11:42
written by earthman, August 21, 2010 19:11:42
Yes, there are many religions and our faith in a religion is that which we understand to be correct and true. Its true only to the one who believed in it. That is faith. And faith is the substance hope for. One's hope after this life on earth. So do not try to impose on'e faith on others as to others one is 'kafir' or infidel. So should I also do to you as you would do to me? No , let the infidels alone as maybe we are the real 'infidels' of the truth? What is truth ? Truth is faith? So, to one's faith that is truth. ? So you see I am also learning like RPK.
BUT whatever religion one professed , the universal practices must be regconised by all. Love is one of them, and respect for other religions, freedom of faith, freedom of speech ( not freedom to lie ) freedom to marriage, and so on. These are some of the universal rights of every individual and nobody had the rights to obstruct it.
Therefore any religion that forbid these rights can be classified as against humanity ( God ) and maybe its a lie and maybe from the anti-god? The truth shall be revealed to all. Make sure your faith is base on asking , searching and knocking at every places. Keep on reading and learning and maybe one day you may received enlightenment and 'see' God - The Truth?
BUT whatever religion one professed , the universal practices must be regconised by all. Love is one of them, and respect for other religions, freedom of faith, freedom of speech ( not freedom to lie ) freedom to marriage, and so on. These are some of the universal rights of every individual and nobody had the rights to obstruct it.
Therefore any religion that forbid these rights can be classified as against humanity ( God ) and maybe its a lie and maybe from the anti-god? The truth shall be revealed to all. Make sure your faith is base on asking , searching and knocking at every places. Keep on reading and learning and maybe one day you may received enlightenment and 'see' God - The Truth?
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written by usurper, August 21, 2010 18:56:46
written by usurper, August 21, 2010 18:56:46
Dear Pet,
We can all be less deluded if we understand a very logical and pertinent point; It is not the messenger but GOD the creator that we must seek. Therefore when a prophet was sent down by GOD there was a mission. The Prophet NEVER started a religion it was his followers who slowly but surely became less spiritual with passing time. Therefore Jesus was not Christian nor Catholic nor Baptist nor Anglican. Jesus was a messenger of GOD. So was Mohammad, he was just a prophet and NEVER was a Muslim nor a Shiite or a Sunni or a Sufi. He was just a messenger. Now it is obvious that the messenger is important for the message but the sender is GOD and HE IS. All else is simply a illusionary and unrealistic HUMAN MADE Schemes to manipulate, control and enslave the rest of the weaker Humans. Poor Malay Ultraman........ like all the birdbrains they would continue to struggle to come to terms with this strange life that baffles, ridicules and drains the spirit of the low intellect.
We can all be less deluded if we understand a very logical and pertinent point; It is not the messenger but GOD the creator that we must seek. Therefore when a prophet was sent down by GOD there was a mission. The Prophet NEVER started a religion it was his followers who slowly but surely became less spiritual with passing time. Therefore Jesus was not Christian nor Catholic nor Baptist nor Anglican. Jesus was a messenger of GOD. So was Mohammad, he was just a prophet and NEVER was a Muslim nor a Shiite or a Sunni or a Sufi. He was just a messenger. Now it is obvious that the messenger is important for the message but the sender is GOD and HE IS. All else is simply a illusionary and unrealistic HUMAN MADE Schemes to manipulate, control and enslave the rest of the weaker Humans. Poor Malay Ultraman........ like all the birdbrains they would continue to struggle to come to terms with this strange life that baffles, ridicules and drains the spirit of the low intellect.
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written by samadhi8, August 21, 2010 18:52:59
written by samadhi8, August 21, 2010 18:52:59
Borrowed from a great Thinker of our times - "Eckhart Tolle"
"The Truth is inseparable from who you are. Yes, you ARE the Truth"
"They realize that how "spiritual" you are has nothing to do with what you believe but everything to do with your state of Consciousness. This, in turn determines how you act in the world and interact with others".
"Whatever you fight, you strengthen, and what you resist, persists. Anything that you resent and strongly react to in another is also in you. But it is no more than a form of ego. Reactivity. The ego thrives on it".
"We need to understand here that heaven is not a location but refers to the inner realm of consciousness".
"The Truth is inseparable from who you are. Yes, you ARE the Truth"
"They realize that how "spiritual" you are has nothing to do with what you believe but everything to do with your state of Consciousness. This, in turn determines how you act in the world and interact with others".
"Whatever you fight, you strengthen, and what you resist, persists. Anything that you resent and strongly react to in another is also in you. But it is no more than a form of ego. Reactivity. The ego thrives on it".
"We need to understand here that heaven is not a location but refers to the inner realm of consciousness".
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written by hellosunshine, August 21, 2010 18:29:49
written by hellosunshine, August 21, 2010 18:29:49
RPK, I like the versions 1, 2, 3 angle. Just like Microsoft Windows from 1.0 till now, Microsoft had good versions and very bad versions too, like Vista. I guess the very bad 'version' is rearing it's ugly head nowadays until an improved version comes along and I am hoping people like RPK et al help in the process of improvement.
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written by temanmu, August 21, 2010 18:21:48
written by temanmu, August 21, 2010 18:21:48
"it should be the Christians who should be upset with me, not Muslims like Malay Ultraman"
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Christians have matured past that stage of mass murder ... now anyone can defile & denounce Christianity (just g****e it) but nothing happens... Religion is personal to oneself. Confidence & belief in one's own faith.
Seems Islam is now at the point where Christianity was a millennium ago.
Leaders use religion for their own political & material benefit. Those who go to war in the name of religion are being made use of. Just see how Bush fooled the US Christians but when they realised they were fooled, they decisively they out his party and voted a black President whose father was a Muslim.
And for such similar cases as Obama in Malaysia .... they will still be considered a Muslim and sent for re-education, barred from marry a non-Musilm, and to some should be executed for being a murtad!
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Christians have matured past that stage of mass murder ... now anyone can defile & denounce Christianity (just g****e it) but nothing happens... Religion is personal to oneself. Confidence & belief in one's own faith.
Seems Islam is now at the point where Christianity was a millennium ago.
Leaders use religion for their own political & material benefit. Those who go to war in the name of religion are being made use of. Just see how Bush fooled the US Christians but when they realised they were fooled, they decisively they out his party and voted a black President whose father was a Muslim.
And for such similar cases as Obama in Malaysia .... they will still be considered a Muslim and sent for re-education, barred from marry a non-Musilm, and to some should be executed for being a murtad!
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Thousands of Prophets were sent down to their own tribes carrying the same message.. " I am the messenger of God and believe in ONE god" . The sole message is the same. Oneness of God and do good deeds... Only frew prophets that come with scrptures, they were Zabur via Prophet David, Taorah via Moses , Injil via Prophet Isa ( Jesus) and finally Quran via Prophet Muhammad . If you make a good and thorough research you will find lots of ovelapping similarities among those books. NO one sure about the time line.. .. Zabur.. ~~ 6000 yr ago, Taorah 5000 yr ago.. Injil .. 2000 yr ago.. and finally Quran 1500 yr ago,
May God give use wisdom.