
Why the sudden fuss about whether the Christian Bible should be allowed to use the word Allah for God. They have been using the word Allah in Bahasa Bibles for hundreds of years. In fact, the Jews, Christians and Pagans have been using Allah for God since long before the existence of Islam.
NO HOLDS BARRED
Raja Petra Kamarudin
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Mahathir said two things. First is that the Muslims, meaning Malaysian Malays, would get angry. This is Mahathir’s way of cautioning against triggering off another ‘May 13’, something the ex-Prime Minister has said many times since the 1970s.Why must everything be translated into a race, and now religious riot? Is he declaring that Islam is an intolerant religion? Muslims always lament about the bad publicity Islam is getting from the western media. But is not the western media just basing its assumption on the acts and statements of Muslims themselves? And have I not said many times that Muslims are Islam’s worst enemy? Muslims are giving the western media the ‘ammunition’ to attack Islam.
The second thing Mahathir said is that the word Allah belongs to the Muslims. It does not and I shall offer you the evidence of this.
Anyway, why only now do we raise this objection to the Bible using the word Allah? The Bible has been using Allah for hundreds of years, ever since they translated the Bible into Bahasa Malaysia/Indonesia. In fact, we have copies of a Bahasa-translated Bible published 200 years ago that used Allah.
So it is not something new. It is something that has been happening for centuries as the photograph below shows.

I can, if you wish, go into a lengthy cheong hei article. But not today -- today I am going to make it short. Nevertheless, if you are the type who can only be convinced by a lengthy thesis supported by scores of references from scholars, then read the two links below.
And my simple argument is as follows. Muhammad’s father was named Abdullah. Abdullah means Servant of Allah -- a combination of Abdul and Allah; so it becomes Abdul-Allah or Abdullah when joined together.
Now, logically, Abdullah was born before Prophet Muhammad was born since the father has to be born before the son can be born. In fact, Abdullah died before Muhammad was born and that was why the Prophet was raised by his grandfather, Muttalib, and later, when Muttalib died eight years later, by his uncle, Abu Talib.
Read Muhammad: From Birth to Marriage
Now, what does this tell you? Muhammad received his prophet-hood and was ‘converted’ to Islam long after Abdullah, the Servant of Allah, died. But Abdullah was not a Muslim. Abdullah was a Pagan. So, if Muhammad’s ‘Pagan’ father was named the Servant of Allah, that means Allah was a Pagan and not a Muslim God, so to speak.
How can Muslims (meaning Malays in particular) claim that Allah is a Muslim God and therefore the name belongs to only the Muslims? If you were to research the history of Muhammad further you will know that Muhammad and his cousin Ali (who later went on to become the Fourth Caliph) indulged in idol-worshiping and animal sacrifice to Pagan Gods in Taif, a town in the suburbs of Makkah, before the time of the Revelation.
That means Muhammad the son of Abdullah was a Pagan, as was his father, the Servant of Allah. But he carried the name ‘Muhammad the son of the Servant of Allah’ long before the Revelation when he ‘became’ a Muslim. How do the Muslims (meaning Malays) explain this if they say that Allah belongs to the Muslims? The word ‘Allah’ existed before the word ‘Muslim’ or ‘Islam’.
And refer to the press statement by ISNA, one of the most respected Islamic organisations in the entire world. (Read ISNA’s press release here). Even ISNA endorses the Malaysian court ruling that the word Allah is not the monopoly of the Muslims. ISNA has far better credibility that any Malaysian organisation whether it be JAKIM, JIM, ABIM, PERKIM, or whatever. In fact, all the Malaysian organisations combined do not even come close to ISNA.
That is all I want to say about the ‘Allah’ word controversy.
FURTHER READING
http://www.themicahmandate.org/2009/03/who-was-‘allah’-before-islam-1/
http://www.themicahmandate.org/2009/04/who-was-‘allah’-before-islam-2/
Translated into Chinese at: http://ccliew.blogspot.com/2010/01/blog-post_5864.html

written by popuri, January 09, 2010 11:16:51
I would think if I have done something wrong if someone hollered "Allah" whilst having tea. Definitely kills the passion. Change we must. So that we could all savor our tea without the fear of somebody barging in while we're at it.
written by tompipi49, January 07, 2010 19:25:12
But I am also hearten to note that there are also sensible people like Marina Mahatir, Tok Guru, and a lot more who are more knowlegdable of the truth and who does not think like Mahathir, and Najib and a few others.
So brainless and fanatic people and the senile old man, your actions is creating a huge DIVIDE in the Malaysian community.
written by azlanm03, January 07, 2010 18:29:30
Saya sebenarnya amat menyanjungi buah fikiran YM yang pragmatis dan progresif. Malah YM ialah seorang idola saya dalam memperjuangkan hak-hak kebenaran. Sesungguhnya umat Islam disuruh memperjuangkan apa yang benar dan menolak kebatilan/kejahilan... Itulah prinsip Islam yang syumul.... supaya melalui kebenaran yang Allah SWT tunjukkan itulah maksud Hidayah dr ALLAH SWT..
Cuma saya sangat berharap agar keluarga Rasullullah tidak dilabel sebagai pagan sebelum kedatangan wahyu Allah SWT...
Saya sering membaca sirah (kisah) Rasullullah SAW yang menngambarkan bahwa Rasullullah SAW tidak pernah menyembah patung-patung berhala di sekitar Kaabah semenjak dari lahir lagi dan begitu juga keluarga Rasullullah drp ayahnya dan ibunya melainkan ada di antara pakcik2 saudaranya..yang menyembah berhala.
Saya juga sering diberitahu oleh mereka yang mendalami ilmu sejarah Rasullullah ini di mana keluarga Rasullullah SWT sebelum Islam adalah memegang agama yang diwarisi oleh para Nabi iaitu dr Nabi Ibrahim. Dalam sejarah Quraisy Mekah ketika itu menggelarkan datuk Nabi Abdul Mutalib sebagai pengikut Nabi Ibrahim. Ini ialah hasil pembacaan saya yang saya yakini kesesuaian kisah ini dalam susur galur para rasul walaupun mungkin tidak dapat dibuktikan oleh aliran ilmu akademia moden (yang dikuasai oleh Barat)
Saya harap agar intelektual Islam tampil dan menyangkal kepercayaan bahwa Rasullullah SAW di zaman kedatangan Islam juga dianggap sbg pagan kerana menyembah Tuhan di Kaabah yang dipenuhi oleh berhala ketika itu, walhal dr segi pengkisahan susur galur para Nabi, terdapat aliran mempercayai Tuhan yang Satu yang tidak dalam bentuk berhala ketika hampir keseluruhan masyarakat Quraisy menyembah berhala di Kaabah,
Dalam kisaah pembaccan saya mengenai sirah rasullullah SAW, baginda bersembahyang di si Kaabah (zaman sebelum kedatangan Islam) ttp tidak lah Rasullullah SAW menyembah berhala sebaliknya menafikan berhala dan hanya menyembah Allah Tuhan Yang Maha Esa
Harap YM dapat mengkaji lebih mendalam lagi mengenai hal ini supaya YM dapat mengenalpasti bahwa Nabi Muhammad SAW tidak layak digelar pagan
Saya sebenarnya faham bahwa YM mungkin bermaksud secara sinis apabila merujuk Pagan God itu (maknanya Tuhan yang disembah oleh para Rasul sebelum kedatangan Islam) kepada kita umat Islam yang mendakwa nama Allah itu ialah Tuhan untuk orang Islam skrg). Cuma saya bimbang perkara YM sampaikan ini menjadi senjata pulak kepada org2 Islam konservatif dan kolot ini menjadikannya isu.. Ini membuatkan saya rasa kurang selesa...
Saya berharap agar YM dapat menjelaskan hal ini untuk mengurangkan kebimbangan saya ini. YM lah individu yang paling saya hormati dan sayangi dalam zaman kemelut politik tanah air kita yang saban hari menjadi bertambah teruk dan rumit.
Wassalam
written by kevinD, January 07, 2010 17:20:35
written by siewchinteo, January 07, 2010 17:17:03
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oh yeahhhh Potpuri...so let's VOTE FOR CHANGE and all have a good......tea !!!!!


written by avancc, January 07, 2010 16:39:26
Gosh... My heart broke with the latest announcement from so called "Muslims" leaders... WHY DON'T THE KETUA AGAMA NEGARA SAY SOMETHING????
written by avancc, January 07, 2010 16:34:54
Thanks for correcting me... Yeah... I now recalled... Megat Iskandar, Parameswara's son wanted to marry a Pasai princess, and so he was converted... This means... It wasn't really out of understanding/love of the religion.... It was because of WOMAN that he was converted...
It makes me sad realizing this...
written by Kaneeneh, January 07, 2010 15:54:32
Kepercayaan kepada Tuhan - Rukun negara. Ini mana satu Tuhan?
written by Devoe, January 07, 2010 15:51:19
written by bigben, January 07, 2010 15:24:06
written by malgal, January 07, 2010 15:19:09
the God i know is a God of Love. He loves to be called our father and for us to come before Him in humility and love. and this i know, He frowns on those who use his name in vain.
written by bigben, January 07, 2010 15:17:54
written by Vivarium, January 07, 2010 12:32:36
And that 0.1% of the Malaysian population is now claiming sole franchise on " Allah ", and painting a bad name on the holy religion of Islam and making the Muslims all over the world look stupid.
ALLAH HAS NEVER JOINED UMNO !!!!
written by siewchinteo, January 07, 2010 12:27:35
written by siewchinteo, January 07, 2010 12:17:33
hmmm...hybrids are stronger, better, just like Optimus Prime, noble captain of the good guys eh

mayhaps a fusion of the races could have made this a better country.....'hybreeds' that rank us as No 1 in the world hehehehehee.
written by popuri, January 07, 2010 10:38:53
written by Admiral Tojo, January 07, 2010 10:30:38
I am a Malay (ok lah, a Javanese/Bugis/Chinese hybrid) and UMNO does not represent me. They can wallow in their shit for all I care.
Mahathir, you are going to die soon. Just keep quiet and play with your grandchildren instead of causing mischief. What a little mind you have.
Shalom
written by Bob, January 07, 2010 10:24:39
written by mikewang, January 07, 2010 09:52:41
The theory is that Parameswara died a Hindu.
His son, Megat Iskandar Shah, was the first ruler to convert because he wanted to marry puteri Raja Pasai of Sumatera at the age of 72.
You can read all about this in Wikipedia (Bahasa version).
written by justice seeker, January 07, 2010 08:50:32
MAYBE THESE AMENO LORDS HAVE SOLE PRIVY TO MEET THE MAKER.
written by avancc, January 07, 2010 08:48:52
Muslim are converts from whatever religion/beliefs they were before... So they were originated from elsewhere... Even the Nabi Muhammad.
Like Chinese used to pray to ancestors, Taosim, or Buddhism.
Malays (Once Javanese, Bugis or whatever) were once Hindus.
Indians were Hindus.
Then Islam and later Christianity came to Malaysia... With Parameswara being the first to be converted (if I remember correctly)...
So... Melaka was "built" by a non Muslim, who was later converted... Shouldn't people be thankful/gratefull for whatever religion/beliefs they were brought up? For without it, would they even reach the stage they are now?
Now they keep claiming that Allah belongs to Muslims... But Muslims were also people of different beliefs before they were converted in the first place in history... I guess that's the problem when you are classified since birth, where you are RULLED to be of one religion/race/class since birth... They tend to forget WHY they practised the religion for... And what is the real meaning in following that religion... For THEY HAVE NO CHOICE.
written by avancc, January 07, 2010 08:38:16
Like all other cases involving them in Malaysia... Have they ever considered the evidences? They'll either shove it away as irrelavant, or make it disappear.
And it is due to their character to WANT TO OWN THINGS... First they want to own Malaysia... Then they want to own all the money in Malaysia... Then they want to own the political power in Malaysia... Now they want to own Allah...
I'm glad Malaysia is not a developed country before the 1700... Else, we might see world war being triggered FROM MALAYSIA... For they may also want to own the world...
written by Malaysian66, January 07, 2010 07:55:22
"Allah" is a registered trademark of "UMNO" (another registered trademark), Malaysia SDN BHD.
written by Susuit, January 07, 2010 07:42:30
written by sahabat, January 07, 2010 07:37:36
written by earthman, January 07, 2010 07:27:19
written by Aria, January 07, 2010 06:42:48
This government is picking on the religious fanatics to start violent protest to set fear into the rakyat. Also to get Malay votes by insinuating that non-muslims are trying to take over their religion and country. Such nonsense can only be received by small minded people, and believe me there are many of them in Malaysia.
The government has got TV, radio, newspapers and internet, while the opposing has only the Internet and small newspapers. Only maybe 30% of Malaysians use the internet for news. The government knows they have the power over the media to stir race and religious issues.
Why has the government not given out warning to stop the protest marchers that are being planned? It can be seen clearly that the government is actually encouraging the people to have protest marchers against the use of the word Allah by non-muslims.
written by educationist, January 07, 2010 05:37:46
But not the religous extremists and the uMNOputras!!
They are so used to getting their own way under the UMNOputras rule, they have forgotten what is just and fair!!
written by losyot, January 07, 2010 02:27:10
All yours and many others explanation has not changed the mindset of Muslims here.
Malaysia will go down history and the GUINESS UNIVERSE BOOK OF RECORDS - Malaysia holds the worldwide rights as the sole owners and rights of God name "ALLAH" and no other can call HIM HIM.
You cannot call God, ALLAH, because He is a MALAYSIAN GOD solely for the Muslims here.


God Bless the souls of these infidels. Amin.
written by Ocassey, January 07, 2010 01:36:28
THE KETUANANS BELIEVE IN THE ONE ALMIGHTY, THE JUDAISM ALMIGHTY ONE PROVIDED THE WORLD WITH MANY PROPHETS ALMOST IF NOT ALL ARE HELD IN HIGH ESTEEM BY THE MUSLIMS AND JEWS. EVEN BEFORE JESUS WAS "BORN" BY THE HOLY VIRGIN MARY, HIS COUSIN JOHN WAS ALREADY TELLING HIS AUDIENCES THAT THE "MESIAH" WILL BE BORN TO SAVE HUMANITY AND THAT "HE" WILL BAPTIST THEM WITH FIRE AND THE HOLY SPIRIT !!!
WELL IT HAS TO BE ONE ALMIGHTY WHO WAS DOING ALL THOSE "IMPOSIBILITIES " !
THE KETUANANS BELIEVE THAT THEIRS IS THE "TRUE ALMIGHTY". THEREFORE THEY WILL NOT ALLOW THE TERMINALOGY OF THE NAME OF THEIR ALMIGHTY TO BE USED BY ANY OTHER FAITH.
IRONICALLY MODERN DAY MIDDLE EASTERN PEOPLES AND CHRISTIANS ALL AROUND THE WORLD HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD NOR SEEN TO BE DENYING THAT THE MUSLIM ALMIGHTY IS THE SAME ALMIGHTY AS THEIRS.
PEOPLES OF OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD CALL "HIM" MANITOU , ODIN ,THIANKOONG , ETC,ETC.
HOLY GHOST !!! NG YEN YEN CAN TESTIFY HOW THE KETUANANS WERE RECENTLY IN
FIGHTING MODE WITH NEIGHBOURING COUNTRIES FOR THE EXCLUSIVITIES TO OWN TERMS OF DANCES, CRAFT WORKS ,DISHES AND MEAT-BONE-TEA !!!!
ARE WE ALLOWED TO USE "AMIN" FOR "AMEN" ???
AMEN.
written by Davy McChester, January 07, 2010 01:16:20
written by imanj, January 07, 2010 01:01:17
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written by durianbesar, January 07, 2010 00:17:30
Everyone in the world including our learned fellow Malay Muslim friends know the meaning of Allah. Whilst only UMNO's duds and supporters are zombie believers in UMNO's sayings and teachings certainly not ISLAM. THere are many friends that I know of Muslim faith who are in agreeance with what RPK has just demonstrated. We have fcuked up gomen who can only shout out and show they are holier than thou... at the same time taking bribes through their back pockets.... Najis amongst the lot and Mahathaik's family who are nothing but stealing theaves.. with exception of Marina, the wife, and eldest natural son's are all crooks of the highest order .....
written by syedomar, January 07, 2010 00:08:31
If you were to research the history of Muhammad further you will know that Muhammad and his cousin Ali (who later went on to become the Fourth Caliph) indulged in idol-worshiping and animal sacrifice to Pagan Gods in Taif, a town in the suburbs of Makkah, before the time of the Revelation.
written by by2020, January 06, 2010 23:55:34
Someone call this the "entitlement syndrome"!
Is it not the same entitlement syndrome at play here?
written by panda, January 06, 2010 23:21:16
written by Logger123, January 06, 2010 23:09:59
"Muslim groups on 8 January are planning to hold nationwide protests after Friday prayers against a recent High Court ruling that permits non-Muslims to use the word Allah to refer to God. One of the demonstrations will take place outside the Kampung Baru mosque on Jalan Raja Alang in the capital Kuala Lumpur, where organisers expect more than 3,000 people to attend.
Comment and Analysis
Demonstrations on 8 January are likely to focus on mosques and court complexes, potentially causing localised traffic disruption in their vicinity. The issue has triggered a number of small-scale protests recently, which have passed off peacefully. However, counter-protests are possible by activists in favour of the ruling, which may lead to clashes between radical members of opposing groups. Personnel are reminded that all demonstrations have the potential to turn violent with little or no warning, posing an incidental risk to personnel in the vicinity."
Keep it up UMNO. The more the legal advisors and VP's who make business decisions see such alerts, the more investments will be diverted to Thailand, Vietnam and the Philippines.
And the more reason for us to strive and stand up and voice our displease at those who hijack Islam to divide this chun homeland of ours.
written by albert zacharias, January 06, 2010 22:55:00
I thought the government under Najib proposed to do it in Stadium or something?
Najis
written by Susuit, January 06, 2010 22:49:02
written by malgal, January 06, 2010 22:30:21
written by betasigma, January 06, 2010 22:12:42
written by Takiaki, January 06, 2010 22:12:26
Even Tok Guru Nik Aziz, whom UMNO branded as a fanatic, share the your opinion. We know how learned he is in the teachings of Islam compared to those UMNO morons.
Shalom Alleihim / Salam Mualaikum.
written by cilimalaysia, January 06, 2010 22:06:55
rukunegara
kepercayaan kepada tuhan
so, u orang tak percaya tuhan. good rakyat.
adakah prinsip rukunegara hilang begitu saja? mungkin mamak tahi sudah nyanyok.
written by Angela Ooi, January 06, 2010 22:05:08
written by lakian, January 06, 2010 22:02:50
written by tom73my, January 06, 2010 22:00:03
Malay Muslim should learn to be smarter. Don't just take things as it is, or as told to you by newspaper like Utusan, and worse still by people like Mahathir. They know your weakness, which is your sensitivity to Islam, and inability to think rationally and critically. So they are manipulating this to their advantage. These people have ulterior motives or self interests. They want to psycho you so that you remain weak and always listen to them.
You must analyse the facts and think critically, like RPK did. Be open minded, seek to understand the issue, and not reacting to emotions. Barulah Melayu boleh maju. No offence, although I am a Chinese, but I sincerely want Melayu to maju. We are all Malaysians, we are on the same boat.
written by IbnAbdHalim, January 06, 2010 21:54:21
Salam Pete,
No use arguing Pete. It's has nothing to do with religion. It's everything politics. UMNO had no choice in order to stay in power. Now we see even Haron Din jumping into the bandwagon, not to mention a very well "learned" mufti of Perak. It's always true with the Malays. If you stir religious issues for your benefit you'll get their support. No matter UMNO or PAS, save a handful. It's true what you always say: The Muslims - in this context - are the real enemies of Islam.
written by Awang Kuku, January 06, 2010 21:40:58
written by bambooman, January 06, 2010 21:39:34
tiew niamah mahathir!!!!.....you got your memory on jan 1, 2010???
written by Nixcloud, January 06, 2010 21:33:11
Apa yang Mamakthir KHUATIR ialah bila orang Islam dan Kristian di Malaysia bersatu, anak dan cucu dia tak boleh jadi Presiden negara...
To Mamakhir :
Allah is God
Mamakthir is God
Mamakthir is Allah..
written by Alice, January 06, 2010 21:19:03


























If it is, the rest of the Muslims in Malaysia, along with me and my family, would be burning churches all over this Malaysia.
This is a UMNO Muslim, along with fuked up mislead imbecile Muslims, riot out to c react instability for personal and political gains. Pure & simple as that!
And UMNO has to take full responsibility for allowing mislead, half baked un-knowledgeable, overtly zealous, and downright fanatical ideological religious teachers/imams to fill all that shit into the young easily influence Muslim minds for the last 50 years or so.
This is the product of the 52 years of UMNO gross incompetence and corrupted government rule.