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Allah was originally a Pagan God (UPDATED with Chinese Translation)


Wednesday, 06 January 2010 Super Admin
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Why the sudden fuss about whether the Christian Bible should be allowed to use the word Allah for God. They have been using the word Allah in Bahasa Bibles for hundreds of years. In fact, the Jews, Christians and Pagans have been using Allah for God since long before the existence of Islam. 

NO HOLDS BARRED

Raja Petra Kamarudin 

"Saya khuatir kebenaran menggunakan perkataan Allah ini akan menimbulkan kemarahan orang Islam, sebenarnya terjemahan perkataan god dalam bahasa Inggeris adalah tuhan bukan Allah dan Allah spesifik bagi orang Islam sahaja. Jadi kalau mereka faham, mereka akan menggunakan perkataan tuhan bukannya Allah," said Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad – Utusan Malaysia (2 January 2010)

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Mahathir said two things. First is that the Muslims, meaning Malaysian Malays, would get angry. This is Mahathir’s way of cautioning against triggering off another ‘May 13’, something the ex-Prime Minister has said many times since the 1970s.

Why must everything be translated into a race, and now religious riot? Is he declaring that Islam is an intolerant religion? Muslims always lament about the bad publicity Islam is getting from the western media. But is not the western media just basing its assumption on the acts and statements of Muslims themselves? And have I not said many times that Muslims are Islam’s worst enemy? Muslims are giving the western media the ‘ammunition’ to attack Islam.

The second thing Mahathir said is that the word Allah belongs to the Muslims. It does not and I shall offer you the evidence of this.

Anyway, why only now do we raise this objection to the Bible using the word Allah? The Bible has been using Allah for hundreds of years, ever since they translated the Bible into Bahasa Malaysia/Indonesia. In fact, we have copies of a Bahasa-translated Bible published 200 years ago that used Allah.

So it is not something new. It is something that has been happening for centuries as the photograph below shows.



I can, if you wish, go into a lengthy cheong hei article. But not today -- today I am going to make it short. Nevertheless, if you are the type who can only be convinced by a lengthy thesis supported by scores of references from scholars, then read the two links below.

And my simple argument is as follows. Muhammad’s father was named Abdullah. Abdullah means Servant of Allah -- a combination of Abdul and Allah; so it becomes Abdul-Allah or Abdullah when joined together.

Now, logically, Abdullah was born before Prophet Muhammad was born since the father has to be born before the son can be born. In fact, Abdullah died before Muhammad was born and that was why the Prophet was raised by his grandfather, Muttalib, and later, when Muttalib died eight years later, by his uncle, Abu Talib.

Read Muhammad: From Birth to Marriage 

Now, what does this tell you? Muhammad received his prophet-hood and was ‘converted’ to Islam long after Abdullah, the Servant of Allah, died. But Abdullah was not a Muslim. Abdullah was a Pagan. So, if Muhammad’s ‘Pagan’ father was named the Servant of Allah, that means Allah was a Pagan and not a Muslim God, so to speak.

How can Muslims (meaning Malays in particular) claim that Allah is a Muslim God and therefore the name belongs to only the Muslims? If you were to research the history of Muhammad further you will know that Muhammad and his cousin Ali (who later went on to become the Fourth Caliph) indulged in idol-worshiping and animal sacrifice to Pagan Gods in Taif, a town in the suburbs of Makkah, before the time of the Revelation.

That means Muhammad the son of Abdullah was a Pagan, as was his father, the Servant of Allah. But he carried the name ‘Muhammad the son of the Servant of Allah’ long before the Revelation when he ‘became’ a Muslim. How do the Muslims (meaning Malays) explain this if they say that Allah belongs to the Muslims? The word ‘Allah’ existed before the word ‘Muslim’ or ‘Islam’.

And refer to the press statement by ISNA, one of the most respected Islamic organisations in the entire world. (Read ISNA’s press release here). Even ISNA endorses the Malaysian court ruling that the word Allah is not the monopoly of the Muslims. ISNA has far better credibility that any Malaysian organisation whether it be JAKIM, JIM, ABIM, PERKIM, or whatever. In fact, all the Malaysian organisations combined do not even come close to ISNA.

That is all I want to say about the ‘Allah’ word controversy.

FURTHER READING

http://www.themicahmandate.org/2009/03/who-was-‘allah’-before-islam-1/

http://www.themicahmandate.org/2009/04/who-was-‘allah’-before-islam-2/

Translated into Chinese at: http://ccliew.blogspot.com/2010/01/blog-post_5864.html


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written by Rainbowseahorse, January 10, 2010 10:13:27
This is NOT a religious riot!
If it is, the rest of the Muslims in Malaysia, along with me and my family, would be burning churches all over this Malaysia.

This is a UMNO Muslim, along with fuked up mislead imbecile Muslims, riot out to c react instability for personal and political gains. Pure & simple as that!

And UMNO has to take full responsibility for allowing mislead, half baked un-knowledgeable, overtly zealous, and downright fanatical ideological religious teachers/imams to fill all that shit into the young easily influence Muslim minds for the last 50 years or so.

This is the product of the 52 years of UMNO gross incompetence and corrupted government rule.
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written by popuri, January 09, 2010 11:16:51
Siewchinteo,

I would think if I have done something wrong if someone hollered "Allah" whilst having tea. Definitely kills the passion. Change we must. So that we could all savor our tea without the fear of somebody barging in while we're at it.
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written by tompipi49, January 07, 2010 19:25:12
I am getting very worried about the whole situation. It is so very pathetic. It seems as if the PM is behind all the ruckus and he is laying out a plan to create another MAY 13. The PM has been giving his blessing to the thoughtless, brainless Religious fanatics Muslims to start a religious war against the RCs for a petty issue of whose god is "ALLAH".
But I am also hearten to note that there are also sensible people like Marina Mahatir, Tok Guru, and a lot more who are more knowlegdable of the truth and who does not think like Mahathir, and Najib and a few others.
So brainless and fanatic people and the senile old man, your actions is creating a huge DIVIDE in the Malaysian community.
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written by azlanm03, January 07, 2010 18:29:30
YM RPK,

Saya sebenarnya amat menyanjungi buah fikiran YM yang pragmatis dan progresif. Malah YM ialah seorang idola saya dalam memperjuangkan hak-hak kebenaran. Sesungguhnya umat Islam disuruh memperjuangkan apa yang benar dan menolak kebatilan/kejahilan... Itulah prinsip Islam yang syumul.... supaya melalui kebenaran yang Allah SWT tunjukkan itulah maksud Hidayah dr ALLAH SWT..

Cuma saya sangat berharap agar keluarga Rasullullah tidak dilabel sebagai pagan sebelum kedatangan wahyu Allah SWT...

Saya sering membaca sirah (kisah) Rasullullah SAW yang menngambarkan bahwa Rasullullah SAW tidak pernah menyembah patung-patung berhala di sekitar Kaabah semenjak dari lahir lagi dan begitu juga keluarga Rasullullah drp ayahnya dan ibunya melainkan ada di antara pakcik2 saudaranya..yang menyembah berhala.

Saya juga sering diberitahu oleh mereka yang mendalami ilmu sejarah Rasullullah ini di mana keluarga Rasullullah SWT sebelum Islam adalah memegang agama yang diwarisi oleh para Nabi iaitu dr Nabi Ibrahim. Dalam sejarah Quraisy Mekah ketika itu menggelarkan datuk Nabi Abdul Mutalib sebagai pengikut Nabi Ibrahim. Ini ialah hasil pembacaan saya yang saya yakini kesesuaian kisah ini dalam susur galur para rasul walaupun mungkin tidak dapat dibuktikan oleh aliran ilmu akademia moden (yang dikuasai oleh Barat)

Saya harap agar intelektual Islam tampil dan menyangkal kepercayaan bahwa Rasullullah SAW di zaman kedatangan Islam juga dianggap sbg pagan kerana menyembah Tuhan di Kaabah yang dipenuhi oleh berhala ketika itu, walhal dr segi pengkisahan susur galur para Nabi, terdapat aliran mempercayai Tuhan yang Satu yang tidak dalam bentuk berhala ketika hampir keseluruhan masyarakat Quraisy menyembah berhala di Kaabah,

Dalam kisaah pembaccan saya mengenai sirah rasullullah SAW, baginda bersembahyang di si Kaabah (zaman sebelum kedatangan Islam) ttp tidak lah Rasullullah SAW menyembah berhala sebaliknya menafikan berhala dan hanya menyembah Allah Tuhan Yang Maha Esa

Harap YM dapat mengkaji lebih mendalam lagi mengenai hal ini supaya YM dapat mengenalpasti bahwa Nabi Muhammad SAW tidak layak digelar pagan

Saya sebenarnya faham bahwa YM mungkin bermaksud secara sinis apabila merujuk Pagan God itu (maknanya Tuhan yang disembah oleh para Rasul sebelum kedatangan Islam) kepada kita umat Islam yang mendakwa nama Allah itu ialah Tuhan untuk orang Islam skrg). Cuma saya bimbang perkara YM sampaikan ini menjadi senjata pulak kepada org2 Islam konservatif dan kolot ini menjadikannya isu.. Ini membuatkan saya rasa kurang selesa...

Saya berharap agar YM dapat menjelaskan hal ini untuk mengurangkan kebimbangan saya ini. YM lah individu yang paling saya hormati dan sayangi dalam zaman kemelut politik tanah air kita yang saban hari menjadi bertambah teruk dan rumit.

Wassalam
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written by kevinD, January 07, 2010 17:20:35
This is so so so stupid!!!!! Thank god i m not a Malay Muslim.
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written by siewchinteo, January 07, 2010 17:17:03
"That must be one hell of a 'Tea'."
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oh yeahhhh Potpuri...so let's VOTE FOR CHANGE and all have a good......tea !!!!! smilies/grin.gifsmilies/wink.gifsmilies/tongue.gif
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written by avancc, January 07, 2010 16:39:26
After they OWNED "Allah"... I wonder if they'll "Privatise" it one day, and start collecting "money" for it... Maybe "franchising" would also be possible??? How about "leasing" to the Christian?

Gosh... My heart broke with the latest announcement from so called "Muslims" leaders... WHY DON'T THE KETUA AGAMA NEGARA SAY SOMETHING????
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written by avancc, January 07, 2010 16:34:54
Dear MikeWang,

Thanks for correcting me... Yeah... I now recalled... Megat Iskandar, Parameswara's son wanted to marry a Pasai princess, and so he was converted... This means... It wasn't really out of understanding/love of the religion.... It was because of WOMAN that he was converted...

It makes me sad realizing this...
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written by Kaneeneh, January 07, 2010 15:54:32
terjemahan perkataan god dalam bahasa Inggeris adalah tuhan bukan Allah dan Allah spesifik bagi orang Islam sahaja.

Kepercayaan kepada Tuhan - Rukun negara. Ini mana satu Tuhan?
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written by Devoe, January 07, 2010 15:51:19
Do you understand the word PAGAN? PAGAN is no religion at all! They don't even believe in GOD.They worship anything.They need thorough theology class.
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written by bigben, January 07, 2010 15:24:06
for people who think that this fkin mamakhatir is a racist, how wrong can they be. how on earth can a indian be racist. hahaha. the only one he can look down upon are his lower caste. for one, he is a make believe malay. secondly, he is an indian in actually and indian. his bset friends are chinese tycoons. so what does this make him? he is just anti chinese that do not feed him.
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written by malgal, January 07, 2010 15:19:09
has anyone seen fit to ask the owner of the name Himself?
the God i know is a God of Love. He loves to be called our father and for us to come before Him in humility and love. and this i know, He frowns on those who use his name in vain.
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written by bigben, January 07, 2010 15:17:54
allah mak. what tF**k. ive been using this word since i started learning to swear. every where else in the world, people are talking about making money, buying a new car, sending their to good universities etc. this god foresaken country seem to only have time for umno goon's publicity seeking news.
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written by popuri, January 07, 2010 14:24:29
Siewchinteo,

That must be one hell of a 'Tea'.
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written by Vivarium, January 07, 2010 12:32:36
If we segregate the Malaysian Muslims into the true muslim and the UMNO warlord Muslim, the latter should only constitue less than 0.1% of the country's entire population.
And that 0.1% of the Malaysian population is now claiming sole franchise on " Allah ", and painting a bad name on the holy religion of Islam and making the Muslims all over the world look stupid.
ALLAH HAS NEVER JOINED UMNO !!!!
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written by siewchinteo, January 07, 2010 12:27:35
oops... ...as an afterthought, perhaps it will kill the passion when one is calling for god and the other for allah whilst having......... tea. smilies/cheesy.gif
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written by siewchinteo, January 07, 2010 12:17:33
hahahahah AdmiralTojo - 'hybrid' just like YM RPK ! smilies/wink.gif
hmmm...hybrids are stronger, better, just like Optimus Prime, noble captain of the good guys eh smilies/grin.gifsmilies/tongue.gif

mayhaps a fusion of the races could have made this a better country.....'hybreeds' that rank us as No 1 in the world hehehehehee.
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written by popuri, January 07, 2010 10:39:30
Sorry, it should read: "His" followers.
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written by popuri, January 07, 2010 10:38:53
Allah is pagan. No wonder their followers sacrificed a cow head...
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written by Admiral Tojo, January 07, 2010 10:30:38
Good one Pete, as usual straight to the point. For more reading material on who the followers of the Arab Religion are do visit Aididsafar.com.

I am a Malay (ok lah, a Javanese/Bugis/Chinese hybrid) and UMNO does not represent me. They can wallow in their shit for all I care.

Mahathir, you are going to die soon. Just keep quiet and play with your grandchildren instead of causing mischief. What a little mind you have.

Shalom
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written by Bob, January 07, 2010 10:24:39
the UMNO warlords who simply want to show that they are the great defenders of Islam, are the ones fanning this issue to get out of hand, not the ordinary malays. it's all politics. how else can they continue to be heard despite their anti islamic ways of living.
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written by mikewang, January 07, 2010 09:52:41
Dear avancc,

The theory is that Parameswara died a Hindu.
His son, Megat Iskandar Shah, was the first ruler to convert because he wanted to marry puteri Raja Pasai of Sumatera at the age of 72.

You can read all about this in Wikipedia (Bahasa version).
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written by justice seeker, January 07, 2010 08:50:32
Allah was originally a Pagan God

MAYBE THESE AMENO LORDS HAVE SOLE PRIVY TO MEET THE MAKER.
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written by avancc, January 07, 2010 08:48:52
Reading the rest of the article... I have this idea in mind...

Muslim are converts from whatever religion/beliefs they were before... So they were originated from elsewhere... Even the Nabi Muhammad.

Like Chinese used to pray to ancestors, Taosim, or Buddhism.
Malays (Once Javanese, Bugis or whatever) were once Hindus.
Indians were Hindus.

Then Islam and later Christianity came to Malaysia... With Parameswara being the first to be converted (if I remember correctly)...

So... Melaka was "built" by a non Muslim, who was later converted... Shouldn't people be thankful/gratefull for whatever religion/beliefs they were brought up? For without it, would they even reach the stage they are now?

Now they keep claiming that Allah belongs to Muslims... But Muslims were also people of different beliefs before they were converted in the first place in history... I guess that's the problem when you are classified since birth, where you are RULLED to be of one religion/race/class since birth... They tend to forget WHY they practised the religion for... And what is the real meaning in following that religion... For THEY HAVE NO CHOICE.
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written by avancc, January 07, 2010 08:38:16
Much evidences has been provided... But THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT IT... BECAUSE THEY WANT TO USE IT AS A TOOL TO MAKE TROUBLE, TO STAY IN POWER...

Like all other cases involving them in Malaysia... Have they ever considered the evidences? They'll either shove it away as irrelavant, or make it disappear.

And it is due to their character to WANT TO OWN THINGS... First they want to own Malaysia... Then they want to own all the money in Malaysia... Then they want to own the political power in Malaysia... Now they want to own Allah...

I'm glad Malaysia is not a developed country before the 1700... Else, we might see world war being triggered FROM MALAYSIA... For they may also want to own the world...
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written by Malaysian66, January 07, 2010 07:55:22
Attention:

"Allah" is a registered trademark of "UMNO" (another registered trademark), Malaysia SDN BHD.

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written by Susuit, January 07, 2010 07:42:30
Then UMNO's muslim are Pagan. No wonder they acted like they have no religion.
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written by sahabat, January 07, 2010 07:37:36
I strongly believe the majority Muslims in Malaysia are flexible. They are good people. The problem is the UMNO leaders who want "Allah" specifically for Islam for their political survival.
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written by earthman, January 07, 2010 07:27:19
Its not that some Malays do not know about Allah, I say about Allah. Its just that this UMNO Malays especially are using 'Allah' for their political game of the Defender of Islam and sad to say that many even non-UMNO Malays are falling into this trap.
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written by Aria, January 07, 2010 06:42:48
This issue has been blow way out of proportion. This ‘Allah’ issue was stirred up by BN to turn people’s attention away from BN corruptions. Najib is obviously using Mahathir advice on diversion tactics and using May 13th to scare the rakyat. Mahathir should be locked up in ISA if Malaysia is to improve.

This government is picking on the religious fanatics to start violent protest to set fear into the rakyat. Also to get Malay votes by insinuating that non-muslims are trying to take over their religion and country. Such nonsense can only be received by small minded people, and believe me there are many of them in Malaysia.

The government has got TV, radio, newspapers and internet, while the opposing has only the Internet and small newspapers. Only maybe 30% of Malaysians use the internet for news. The government knows they have the power over the media to stir race and religious issues.

Why has the government not given out warning to stop the protest marchers that are being planned? It can be seen clearly that the government is actually encouraging the people to have protest marchers against the use of the word Allah by non-muslims.
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written by educationist, January 07, 2010 05:37:46
"ISNA, one of the most respected Islamic organisations in the entire world endorses the Malaysian court ruling that the word Allah is not the monopoly of the Muslims"-this ought to be enough for rational and just people.
But not the religous extremists and the uMNOputras!!
They are so used to getting their own way under the UMNOputras rule, they have forgotten what is just and fair!!
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written by mob1900, January 07, 2010 03:51:21


Don't get caught in its snare!
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written by losyot, January 07, 2010 02:27:10
Dear RPK

All yours and many others explanation has not changed the mindset of Muslims here.

Malaysia will go down history and the GUINESS UNIVERSE BOOK OF RECORDS - Malaysia holds the worldwide rights as the sole owners and rights of God name "ALLAH" and no other can call HIM HIM.
You cannot call God, ALLAH, because He is a MALAYSIAN GOD solely for the Muslims here.
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God Bless the souls of these infidels. Amin.
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written by Ocassey, January 07, 2010 01:36:28
THE JEWS AND THE ARABS SHOULD INVOKE PROCEDURES TO SUE MALAYSIA-BOLEH FOR STEALING THE TERMINALOGY "HIS NAME" THE KETUANANS HUGGING SO FEVERISHLY TIGHT AGAINST THEIR BOSSOMS.

THE KETUANANS BELIEVE IN THE ONE ALMIGHTY, THE JUDAISM ALMIGHTY ONE PROVIDED THE WORLD WITH MANY PROPHETS ALMOST IF NOT ALL ARE HELD IN HIGH ESTEEM BY THE MUSLIMS AND JEWS. EVEN BEFORE JESUS WAS "BORN" BY THE HOLY VIRGIN MARY, HIS COUSIN JOHN WAS ALREADY TELLING HIS AUDIENCES THAT THE "MESIAH" WILL BE BORN TO SAVE HUMANITY AND THAT "HE" WILL BAPTIST THEM WITH FIRE AND THE HOLY SPIRIT !!!

WELL IT HAS TO BE ONE ALMIGHTY WHO WAS DOING ALL THOSE "IMPOSIBILITIES " !

THE KETUANANS BELIEVE THAT THEIRS IS THE "TRUE ALMIGHTY". THEREFORE THEY WILL NOT ALLOW THE TERMINALOGY OF THE NAME OF THEIR ALMIGHTY TO BE USED BY ANY OTHER FAITH.

IRONICALLY MODERN DAY MIDDLE EASTERN PEOPLES AND CHRISTIANS ALL AROUND THE WORLD HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD NOR SEEN TO BE DENYING THAT THE MUSLIM ALMIGHTY IS THE SAME ALMIGHTY AS THEIRS.

PEOPLES OF OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD CALL "HIM" MANITOU , ODIN ,THIANKOONG , ETC,ETC.

HOLY GHOST !!! NG YEN YEN CAN TESTIFY HOW THE KETUANANS WERE RECENTLY IN
FIGHTING MODE WITH NEIGHBOURING COUNTRIES FOR THE EXCLUSIVITIES TO OWN TERMS OF DANCES, CRAFT WORKS ,DISHES AND MEAT-BONE-TEA !!!!

ARE WE ALLOWED TO USE "AMIN" FOR "AMEN" ???

AMEN.
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written by Davy McChester, January 07, 2010 01:16:20
The laughing stock of the world. UMNO reckons it owns race ,religion. UMNO has become the agent provocateur .The agent of denial cannot accept the truth.
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written by imanj, January 07, 2010 01:01:17
We fight over the right to claim usage of the name "ALLAH" and yet we do nothing HE says.....

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written by Super Admin, January 07, 2010 00:59:03
Futhermore syedomar, the deities of heathen Arabia were represented by idols, sacred stones, and other objects of worship. Sacred stones served as altars and the blood of the victims was poured over them or smeared over them. In pre-islamic times, the Arabs sacrificed camels, sheep, goats, and sometimes even humans. The flesh of the sacrifice was usually eaten by the worshippers, the god contenting himself with just the blood.

RPK
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written by Super Admin, January 07, 2010 00:54:24
Dear syedomar, it will take too many pages to explain it. Why not go to this site (http://www.muslimphilosophy.com/hmp/9.htm) to read more about the matter. This may help explain the issue. That is not the only reference though. There are many books you can read about the matter.

The ancient Arabs believed in the existence of a Supreme God, whom they called Allah. And al?`Uzza, al?Manat, and al?Lat, were regarded as the daughters of Allah. There were 360 gods is all.

Taif and Makkah were the centre of pre-Islamic religion.

RPK
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written by durianbesar, January 07, 2010 00:17:30
UMNO is a racist party and Mamak Thair Mahathai is a racist and bigot.

Everyone in the world including our learned fellow Malay Muslim friends know the meaning of Allah. Whilst only UMNO's duds and supporters are zombie believers in UMNO's sayings and teachings certainly not ISLAM. THere are many friends that I know of Muslim faith who are in agreeance with what RPK has just demonstrated. We have fcuked up gomen who can only shout out and show they are holier than thou... at the same time taking bribes through their back pockets.... Najis amongst the lot and Mahathaik's family who are nothing but stealing theaves.. with exception of Marina, the wife, and eldest natural son's are all crooks of the highest order .....

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written by syedomar, January 07, 2010 00:08:31
I agree the christians may use Allah in their bible. But please verify this statement again
If you were to research the history of Muhammad further you will know that Muhammad and his cousin Ali (who later went on to become the Fourth Caliph) indulged in idol-worshiping and animal sacrifice to Pagan Gods in Taif, a town in the suburbs of Makkah, before the time of the Revelation.
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written by by2020, January 06, 2010 23:55:34
UMNO has successfully misled his followers to believed that in Malaysia, they are the son of soil, and therefore owned everything that they desired.

Someone call this the "entitlement syndrome"!

Is it not the same entitlement syndrome at play here?
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written by panda, January 06, 2010 23:21:16
do u know tat e holy book of sihkism, has e word Allah in it, so wat now is e Home Minister goin to order it be removed from the tis book ???? btw tats not e only holy book u can find e word Allah in ... e problem wit Islam is tat it is not a problem , its e scum bags who go around stating n givin their own interpretation to e religion, when they themselves dont know anything about it to begin wit..
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written by Logger123, January 06, 2010 23:09:59
Yep. Several MNC's have issued travel warnings to their employees in their travel and security updates. An excerpt:

"Muslim groups on 8 January are planning to hold nationwide protests after Friday prayers against a recent High Court ruling that permits non-Muslims to use the word Allah to refer to God. One of the demonstrations will take place outside the Kampung Baru mosque on Jalan Raja Alang in the capital Kuala Lumpur, where organisers expect more than 3,000 people to attend.

Comment and Analysis

Demonstrations on 8 January are likely to focus on mosques and court complexes, potentially causing localised traffic disruption in their vicinity. The issue has triggered a number of small-scale protests recently, which have passed off peacefully. However, counter-protests are possible by activists in favour of the ruling, which may lead to clashes between radical members of opposing groups. Personnel are reminded that all demonstrations have the potential to turn violent with little or no warning, posing an incidental risk to personnel in the vicinity."

Keep it up UMNO. The more the legal advisors and VP's who make business decisions see such alerts, the more investments will be diverted to Thailand, Vietnam and the Philippines.

And the more reason for us to strive and stand up and voice our displease at those who hijack Islam to divide this chun homeland of ours.

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written by albert zacharias, January 06, 2010 22:55:00
Again demonstration in Kg. Baru?

I thought the government under Najib proposed to do it in Stadium or something?

Najis
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written by Super Admin, January 06, 2010 22:54:50
Dear cilimalaysia, the Hebrew word for god in the Old Testament is El. The Greek word for god in the New Testament is Theos. The Book of Exodus uses Yahweh. According to Matthew, Jesus said, “Eli Eli lama sabachthani”. Mark says Jesus said, “Eloi Eloi lama sabachthani”. Both are in Aramaic and mean “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me”. Allah means THE God, the one and only God. As you know Al means THE. The Middle East in those says used Syriac-Aramaic. Allah was the chief God of the Arabs, who had 360 gods in all, and all based in the Kaabah. And the Arab Allah had sons and daughters.
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written by Susuit, January 06, 2010 22:49:02
Umno is trying to divert our attention to this stupid non-issue subject. There are more important issues to look into.... e.g. TBH, Kugan, jet engine, PKFZ, ....... . Don't be fooled by them.
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written by malgal, January 06, 2010 22:30:21
could it just be that like a drowning dodo, someone is clutching at straws? if all else starts to major melt down, find something, anything to cleave back relevance?
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written by betasigma, January 06, 2010 22:12:42
the minute this old lizard opens his bloody racist mother fcuking mouth about race or religion,he definitely brings about very bad taste,he spew shit!!!
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written by Takiaki, January 06, 2010 22:12:26
How we wish we have more, if not all, malays/muslim in this country thinks like you Pete. How peaceful our country would become. It is beyond my understanding why they want to 'own' the word while other countries, even the Muslim Arabs, who actually 'own' the language, do not have any problem 'sharing' the word with their christians friends.
Even Tok Guru Nik Aziz, whom UMNO branded as a fanatic, share the your opinion. We know how learned he is in the teachings of Islam compared to those UMNO morons.

Shalom Alleihim / Salam Mualaikum.
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written by cilimalaysia, January 06, 2010 22:06:55
sebenarnya terjemahan perkataan god dalam bahasa Inggeris adalah tuhan bukan Allah dan Allah spesifik bagi orang Islam sahaja.

rukunegara

kepercayaan kepada tuhan

so, u orang tak percaya tuhan. good rakyat.

adakah prinsip rukunegara hilang begitu saja? mungkin mamak tahi sudah nyanyok.
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written by Angela Ooi, January 06, 2010 22:05:08
Seems like this issue has been purposely raised and allowed to fester with the help of Buntutsan press to unite the Malays and to create racial chaos (another May 13) just so BN can stay in power. How vile and Godless these leaders are!
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written by lakian, January 06, 2010 22:02:50
This is typical umno muslim not Malaysia muslim.umno is the new god so they want to do,say what they like.umno muslim you are no mankind,you are not belong to this planet,you are so call sheer pendatang.you get out of this country,planet.you are real satan.agree?
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written by tom73my, January 06, 2010 22:00:03
I don't understand why Mahathir always think that Malay Muslim will get angry so easily? Sikit sikit marah. Sikit sikit mengamok. Is it really so? Are Malay Muslim easily offended? Are Malay Muslim irrational people who cannot think critically but only react to sentiments and emotions, and get played around by Mahathir like wayang kulit?

Malay Muslim should learn to be smarter. Don't just take things as it is, or as told to you by newspaper like Utusan, and worse still by people like Mahathir. They know your weakness, which is your sensitivity to Islam, and inability to think rationally and critically. So they are manipulating this to their advantage. These people have ulterior motives or self interests. They want to psycho you so that you remain weak and always listen to them.

You must analyse the facts and think critically, like RPK did. Be open minded, seek to understand the issue, and not reacting to emotions. Barulah Melayu boleh maju. No offence, although I am a Chinese, but I sincerely want Melayu to maju. We are all Malaysians, we are on the same boat.
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written by IbnAbdHalim, January 06, 2010 21:54:21


Salam Pete,

No use arguing Pete. It's has nothing to do with religion. It's everything politics. UMNO had no choice in order to stay in power. Now we see even Haron Din jumping into the bandwagon, not to mention a very well "learned" mufti of Perak. It's always true with the Malays. If you stir religious issues for your benefit you'll get their support. No matter UMNO or PAS, save a handful. It's true what you always say: The Muslims - in this context - are the real enemies of Islam.




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written by Awang Kuku, January 06, 2010 21:40:58
I just read that Home Ministry is allowing Malays (I don't want to say Muslim as explained by RPK above) to demonstrate in Kampong Baru. This just shows that the BN/UMNO government is not only bankrupt religiously, but is pathetic morally and politically. It has to go, people.
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written by bambooman, January 06, 2010 21:39:34
in the rukunegara : kepercayaan kepada tuhan......now what is this tuhan????........christian tuhan....so muslim has no tuhan?????....then who do the muslims pray to then?????......taoist gods or hindu gods????......now this DKK mahatiew says allah is specific for muslims!!!!......if that is the case....we better throw the rukunegara out through the window!!!!

tiew niamah mahathir!!!!.....you got your memory on jan 1, 2010???
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written by Nixcloud, January 06, 2010 21:33:11
Saya khuatir kebenaran menggunakan perkataan Allah ini akan menimbulkan kemarahan orang Islam

Apa yang Mamakthir KHUATIR ialah bila orang Islam dan Kristian di Malaysia bersatu, anak dan cucu dia tak boleh jadi Presiden negara...

To Mamakhir :

Allah is God
Mamakthir is God
Mamakthir is Allah..
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written by Alice, January 06, 2010 21:19:03
Oh I am so tired of the sentiments of some Malay muslims in Malaysia. Do they not want to know the truth?? Are we suppose to live in darkness because the muslims are too scared of the truth?Shouldn't truth set everyone free? Don't your religion teach you to find the truth? Why is it that many Malay muslims leave to the UMNO goons to decide on their faith?? Can't they think?????>smilies/sad.gifsmilies/angry.gifsmilies/angry.gif

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