"If two people love each other and are of different religions it can actually beneifit both parties to keep their own faith. They should not have to be forced to convert to Islam. I did not ask my husband to become a Christian. He kept his faith and I kept mine. We both benfitted from our backgrounds." mumonthecase

Good on both u, but the muslims that i know dont think that way. its always, if you're marrying me, "u have to follow me".

Malaysians were quite tolerant people until the religious nuts decided to divide the nation with its HARAM policies...you cant do this now...you can't do that now...etc. Come on people...do you really need to be told how to pray and who to pray to?

It's like getting up in the morning. Maybe today I dont want to have nasi lemak I want toast and jam instead.... maybe I wont wear that shirt but this one...may be today I will choose Hinduism as my religious preference to follow and skip praying five times a day. We all have choices to make and should not be dictated to by anyone. It is none of anyone elses business..it's between God and me.

Malaysia can set things right by voting that each of us has the choice to choose which religion to follow. I doubt Islam will lose many followers but so what there are enough in the world. Let Muslims choose for themselves. Let Christians choose for themselves..Hindus and Buddhists too.

If two people love each other and are of different religions it can actually beneifit both parties to keep their own faith. They should not have to be forced to convert to Islam. I did not ask my husband to become a Christian. He kept his faith and I kept mine. We both benfitted from our backgrounds.

Not all Mislims want to dress the Islamic way....we all have our own flair. Malaysian Muslim girls are the prettiest of the Muslim world and should not hide their beauty under a drab brown cloth or a face covering....how boring is malaysia to become. Tourism dwindles and malaysia will be in deep doggy do dos.

Congratulations Maria on making up your own mind what you want in life. Keep up the effort for your human rights.

Yes i agree with you... but that's a view from non-Muslim.
Can i ask you? is it ok if i just proclaim One kalimah syahadah? Am i considered as apostate if i do so?

If they perceived him as perfect, they have allevated him to Godly status as only God is perfect.

dear catv5,

there is no such thing as a Godly status in Islam. And it is purely balesphemy to compare a prophet to Allah.

Funny is, strictly no to apostasy but non follower its okey.
Belief, fair enough.
Just in the name only.

500 years ago, European thinkers fight against the Church authority and won and hence segregation of State and Church since then.....

That is why now the Pope has no power.....just a proxy only.

You are not alone, have faith in Him.. His is always be with you..

Life as a non follower Muslims no more secret but normal now.
Can see any where, everywhere.

Dear monstercat,

If they perceived him as perfect, they have allevated him to Godly status as only God is perfect.

your comment proves that even non-muslim sees that Muslims are setting up partners besides God. All the focus towards emulating him will make one forgot the true Creator. But Muslims cannot think independently. It's blasphemy, logic/critical/liberal/free thinking is satan's whisper. They belief they'll go astray if they belief in the voice inside their heart. That's why they need the Ulamaks/Leaders/Imams/Prime Minister to confirm them, to relief them of their fear of insecurity. I've experienced this before. I know. I hope they can see this, but God guides and misguides whom He wills.

All this mumbo jumbo of bombing, patenting Allah names, corruptions among Muslim leaders, increasing crime it's all God signs to show us that something is wrong in the system. I want to call to all Muslims, please be aware of this.

Thank you

In the case of Malaysia, it is the UMNO folks who has the greatest fear of losing their power base if Muslim converted. But increasingly, we can see many muslim are turning away from Islam. I believe this is the beginning of the end for UMNO.

To Ericc:

I was born into a Christian family, brought up with Christian values and my parents expected their children to be good Christians too. As we grow older and become independent, we have a choice to remain as Christians or otherwise. Even if some convert to Islam they are not persecuted or condemn by the Christian parents. The problem is not because people are born into a religion. It could be the politicising of religion to gain power, control, privilege etc. When this happened the substance of the religion is not as important as increasing the numbers of believers and to stop people from reducing the numbers. The more followers the more powerful.

this situation will arise when people are BORN into a religion, and then NOT GIVEN the choice to convert. it's a case of having the numbers but what about the hearts, minds, and souls?

observing muslim friends and acquaintances, i would say a high percentage are just muslim in name, and their practice of their faith is close to minimal. thus it gives rise to a nation of soul-less, faithless people who know not what to believe in, lost in this world.

like someone before me commented, it's not about the quantity, it's the quality of a faith's believers. and our country lacks here, dont u think.

It is better for all who renounces Islam to openly declares themselves and not to be in hiding.One have to be honest and to come out clean.
If islam is really base on the spirit of tolerance, peace and openness.
Theres nothing to hinders the converts.

Dear CatV5,

I'm non-Muslim but I agree with you not because your hypothesis put Muslims in a bad light but because the same could have happened to any community that were accosted with such complexity. For one, I have heard all Muslims I befriend proclaim the perfectness of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and they strive to emulate him. If they perceived him as perfect, they have allevated him to Godly status as only God is perfect. That is why many Muslim men who have more than one wife, but couldn't offer them equality in terms of status what more to say financially provide for them. Even security guard can have more than one wife! That is the most emulated traits of Prophet Muhammad for the Muslim men nowadays, oh what a beautiful excuse to have different flavours every now and then!!! To me, this scheme sound too sleazy to be noble. Noble my foot!!!! Some Muslims defended this emulation of Prophet Muhammad, saying that it's less sinful to commit adultery and continue the sinful affair, better can marry. But the act of adultery was already committed before marrying the second, third or fourth wife. So how the mind ticks!!!

The Bible said that "perfect love cast out all fear" and when Islam is fearful then there is no love within. Islam always worry and fretful that other religions might entice their followers...fear, fear,fear and insecurity....I really feel sorry for this type of religion where RULES are the cornerstone and not by love.

First off, i want to take back my word on my previous comment inside the bracket ().

It's the matter of whether you want to follow yourself (atheist, which God guarentees H***, no offence), follow the majority/leader/priest/ulama (what most muslim, christian, jews etc. do now, God tells you that in Quran) or by sincerely asking God to give guide (which is recommended in Quran)

It's a disrespect to them. I apologize.

Sometime I wonder why is Islam feels so threatened when one of their subject converted out or Islam? Is Islam that weak and fearful that by losing anymore adhearence will eventually destroy it? Somehow I could not help feeling that this statement come from the mouth of the UMNOputras rather than the true believer of Islam.

Please allow me to comment on this. I don't know what Non-muslim thinks about the Muslims. But i know some of the factor that drives the Muslim up to the point that they are becoming weaker. Think about it. If i'm wrong please tell me.

First is they say they uphold the Quran. But actually many do not understand the core message behind Quran. Even if they do understand, they like to uphold and complicate the small things like how many times to pray, how to do this how to do that and forget that God knows what they think. When they find none, they'll refer to Hadith, which they say the complement of Quran. At the end they unconsciously deserted the Quran because they belief it's not complete. Most of them prefer Hadith more. Inside hadith there are authentic, less authentic and fake. Any person who studies it knows it. But they ignore the history of the compilation of it. And it's a not good history. Hadith also has influences from Jews and Christian teaching dumped inside.

Second is the belief that Islam is the perfect religion. The Holier than thou religion. The perfect ad-deen(way of life). Which subconsciously promotes arrogance. The proof is, the sensitiveness of the Muslim. They want people to adapt to their way of life, yet they disapprove other people way of life. Maybe not indirectly. Malaysia is the good case study, see for yourself. If one does not pray, people will stare at you, a staring with disgusting feeling of he/she surely go to hell. If other religion say things that they don't like they say the the other religion are evilly scheming to destroy Islam. If any non-muslim eat pig in front of them, they'll feel disgusted. This silently promotes hate inside their heart. Not peace. I bet the satan is jumping up and down happily when they use God's name as an excuse to say that they're right.

Third, the followers have been bombarded with complex laws and regulations of Islam which interpreted and innovated from Quran and Hadith. Whereas Quran is actually simple, flexible. This will leads to the followers just follow the Leader/Imam/Khalifah/Ustaz/Fatwas because it's easier to just follow the method then trying to understand why the method is there. Ask any Muslim about the 5 pillar of faith (rukun Iman) they'll gladly tell about it. But if you ask where is the pillar stated in Quran, i'm sure most of them don't know. This avoids them from being critical in their mind. In loose term, narrowing their mind. You can't reason with them regarding their religion. It's blasphemy to ask about things that is outside the boundary of their laws and regulations.

Fourth erm.... there's a lot more i'm sure.... but that's enough for now. I'm not saying that all muslims are evil. But most of them may become like this if they blindly follow what others told them to. I just hope people will look at this positively. I hope the Muslims will open their eyes on this matter. The sunnis and shiahs in Iraq are fighting among themselves, suicide bomb is the trend now. I just hope we are not up to the extreme like them. I got sick of this killings for the name of God.

Regarding to the UMNOPutras, i'm not behind any political influence. I don't care about that.

Peace

Sometime I wonder why is Islam feels so threatened when one of their subject converted out or Islam? Is Islam that weak and fearful that by losing anymore adhearence will eventually destroy it? Somehow I could not help feeling that this statement come from the mouth of the UMNOputras rather than the true believer of Islam.

The only religion in this world that does not need conversion is Buddhism.Buddhism doen't need you to tell the whole world that you are a buddhist.There is no special cloth you have to wear or special behavior you have to portray infront of anybody.Buddhism emphasizes on universal values,ie do meritorious deeds and be compassionate towards human as well as animals.

Buddhism emphasizes self selvation rather than looking for outer supreme-being for eternity.

The best option is to become an atheist.

God's name (any name regarding to God) should not be mixed with politics. Beliefs is a personal thing. This kind of thing will happen if people try to assimilate things by using God's name. U can't play God by controlling ones belief. If it's God will that one want's to change his belief, so be it. It's his/her choice. Even God let us choose what want be (find it in Quran yourlf, it's there i tell u). It's the matter of whether you want to follow yourself (atheist, which God guarentees H***, no offence), follow the majority/leader/priest/ulama (what most muslim, christian, jews etc. do now, God tells you that in Quran) or by sincerely asking God to give guide (which is recommended in Quran). I prefer to put my trust on God. You'll fear of losing if you're not aware of what's actually happening. We can see that fear among most of the ignorant Muslims nowadays. They always ask god to save them while they're heart are not sincerely asking it.

People tend to rebel when a law or restriction are binded to them. Nobody's perfect. God knows our nature, dun tipula. So the safest bet is to trust God, be humble. Later when you're dead, you won't lose, God guarantees that (if you know how). Tak rugi pun.

Muslims always pray by reciting Al-Fatihah. But i bet most of them don't understand what they're saying. That's one example of ignorant if you ask me. It's like telling I love you in Vietnamese (no offence). Any Malaysian chicks would reject you period.

I hope Maria (not her real name i think) and Lina will be happy with her choice.

Just a reminder,
Peace.

DontPlayGod,

"In West Asia, they Arabs who are Christians, Muslims, and even Jews. So too in Indonesia where they have Indoneians who are Muslims, Christians and Hindus. But UMNO wants to control the minds and soul of the Malays and the most effective way is through religion, especially a religion like Islam. And that is why they insist the Malay must be a Muslim to be called a Muslim. This is the only race in the world that states that a person can only be of that race if he is a Muslim."
ISLAM FOLLOWERS SHOULD BE PROTECT FROM BEING APOSTATES IN MALAYSIA...
ACCORDING TO THE SYARIAH LAWS THE MURTADS SHOULD BE NEGOTIATE TO REVENT FOR THREE TIMES IF HE STILL WANT TO BE A APOSTATE HE MUST BE KILLED. NO WONDER WHY INDONESIA AND OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE MURTADINS BECAUSE SYARIAH LAWS ARE NOT ENFORCE ANYMORE...

To the state of where we are ------thanks to UMNO! the real protagonists in this demise of a free secular state we call Malaysia. The originals were tempered for their own ends. Money has no religion but it plays an important part in the lives of the beholders of the religion.

The only advice I can give Maria is to leave this country if you want to marry your boyfriend. Go to some neighbouring country if you feel that you would like to come back and visit this country often. I don't think you have any other alternative.

In West Asia, they Arabs who are Christians, Muslims, and even Jews. So too in Indonesia where they have Indoneians who are Muslims, Christians and Hindus. But UMNO wants to control the minds and soul of the Malays and the most effective way is through religion, especially a religion like Islam. And that is why they insist the Malay must be a Muslim to be called a Muslim. This is the only race in the world that states that a person can only be of that race if he is a Muslim.

To Malay Ultraman,

You did not say that professing other religions are immoral, but you insinuate/imply/believe "that
those Malays practising free lifestyle would choose Christian. They dont have to worry about getting caught while practising free sex or drinking in public or gambling at Genting." That two sentences already revealed what you thought of others. Yes, we drink in public or gamble in the open, better than some who do all in hiding and face the public in holyman garb. That's even worse, hypocrites.

I agree with you that the depth of morality is subjective. By using Portugal's nude beach as a point of reference for morality is not appropriate don't you think? In essence, the act itself to strip naked in public is already considered immoral, even in western culture. But the provision of such a beach for a few free-spirited individuals, must be governed by rules established for the nude beach so that they will achieve an even tan huh, no white shadows. Thus, whoever enters must be in the same condition as everyone else already there - strip naked!!!! Do not ogle please!!!! It's all for curiosity and fun for some people.

Whereas for religion, it is a matter of the heart. So when you generally assumed that muslims who give up Islam for the sake of fun is very shallow. Don't forget, for a muslim to convert out, there are serious consequences - threats to life, rejection by whole family and even employer, abuse, murder etc. So it defies logic that former muslims would think all those consequences as fun.

You must also try to understand the non-muslims - where they have family members and friends who convert to Islam because of marrying a Muslim but these converts are not persecuted. They respect the convert's choice, so that he/she can find happiness in marriage with a Muslim spouse. But when it's the other way round, the Muslims community are all (nearly all lah) involve in condemning the ex-Muslim. Who has that person to turn to? Who will rally behind this person? Of course the non-Muslims will defend this ex-Muslims. Because if their children whom they raise as Christians, Buddhists, Hindus etc, can convert to Islam, why can't it be accepted the other way round? So the embedded laws also concern the non-Muslims and you are correct, nobody has absolute freedom otherwise there'll be chaos, you agree? But I bet you do not think the others deserve your understanding or empathy because they are idolators and are not on the true path.

As long as you stay a Muslim, the Freedom of Choice is not of concern to you. But other religions do respect the freedom of choice in religion - importantly they can find happiness in their heart.

There is only one creator called Allah...All the mankind must obey to Allah.
Islam is the only religion worshipping to Allah.
Christian is the modified religion that worshipping to three gods.

4:171. O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

hello monstercat,

i never say professing other religions are immoral. Professing and practising it are two different things. Being a muslim doesnt warrant one to be good as long as he does not practise it. Again as i said, "immoral itself is subjective, it depends on point of reference" . Go to Portugal beach , surely you find yourself "immoral" for wearing full cloth. You must get naked and now you are "morally" accepted.

To me, apostacy under one family is very much "internal affair". As a father he bears big responsible not only to Allah but to his family and relative.
When your children enroll in school, they must obey some rules and regulation such as wearing a school uniform. Surely none of parents object, question and preach about Freedom of Choice. None would compare to American school which do not practise school uniform.

When all the muslim boy MUST undergo circumsize, nobody complain. But when the muslim children give up their religion for the sake of fun and the parents condemn it, suddenly non muslim join in and start preaching about Freedom of Choice.

There are embedded laws within the laws which non-muslim should not try cross the line. Honestly, nobody has absolute freedom.

And talking about enjoyment, I enjoy being a muslim with full conviction. Life is too short. We can go about 80 yr, then what? If we are talking about eternity, 80 yr to 1000 year is too much worthy of.
Like Allah says more or less " I have create man and genie for nothing but to WORSHIP me".

My advice to all , do your own research , by all means necessary. It is never too late to find the truth.

To Malay Ultraman,

Your faith is profound, good for you. But please open your eyes and mind to other religions' good moral teachings. From your writings, it is obvious that you are brainwashed and think that people professing other religions are immoral. Then when a scandal by a Muslim is committed, you would say he/she is not a good Muslim. That's very convenient. It is very sad for you that you do not enjoy your beliefs, very sad. It's like an imposition to you. No wonder you sounded very bitter - bad for your heart literally and spiritually. Learn to enjoy your beliefs instead of professing it like a robot. Cheers.

testing.

Must agree with u, christian never condone free lifestyle. It never support out of marriage sex, nor it support alcoholic beverage.In fact, it forbids pig eating. Yet, how many christians are really practising? How many are respecting their religion?

In Islam, freedom has its own limit. We can eat vegetables or meats but there very few exceptions. We can have sex, but we must get married. If we want to have illicit sex, according to Islamic law, we should be punished under Hudud laws. Practically, in real life, everything must have a limit. Moral value has its own limit too. And it depends of your reference. Skimpy short for some it is ok. For some, it is ok to wear tight short and visit a graveyard. FOr some , it is ok to kiss in public. For some it is okey to have homosexual marriage. Again, everything go back to reference and how to execute it. If your child happpen to be an atheist, would you say "oh, it is a free of choice, you think what is good for you, then go for it". Then she ends up becoming a whore " Of, it is a freedom of choice, as long as you are please and you dont hurt others you can be that". This freedom of choice will never stop and now you can see a news about church ministers were married and become lesbian partner "LEGALLY". Imagine a muslim cleric declaring he is married to another gay, I am sure he would be stoned to death!!

Anyhow, Non muslims will never understand this . Even some muslim dont understand too. Islam is an Addin, way of life. It is a 2 dimension world - Life and immortal life after death. Religion is a serious stuff. it not just another adat cultural event. It is not for fun. That;s why Allah has sent down thousands of prophets to mankind among them Solomon , Isac, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. Allah never send prophet to build a pyramid or to design hitech gadget because man is gifted with brain unlike animals. But, man would never understand what God is, what He likes, what Ge pleases of, why He create men,...why, why, why. That;s why prophets were here thousands of years, back 5000 yr for Moses, 2000 yr for Jesus and 1400 yr for Muhammad. And suddenly people are asking the truth of the history...

I prefer not to bring you the evidence that Quran from God, very much I dont like to argue with you the authenticy of you multiversion bible. Nor do i would waste my time find evidence prophets, books and such. Nor do I have been in hell. But that's I have been told from Quran. I always stick to this - Quran is one and God is 1 and Quran itself is the evidence it is God gift to mankind. The answers are there. The evidences are there. Just find it.

(While an apostate would go to HELL forever with no second chance. That's why it is not surprising in parents would even kill their children if they find out. i would do the same thing too!! )

To Malay Ultraman,

Well I can fully understand your feeling and you are here you show your true colour of how a true islamist look like. Firstly proved to us that your quran is from God and secondly tell us the truth have you visited hell before? Don't just quote verses written almost 1400 years ago...even Tom Dick and Harry can write a nice story. Almost every children and even adult in malaysia glue to their TV on saturday morning to watch TOM & JERRY Cartoon show that dosen't make TOM & JERRY Cartoon show came from GOD.

Firstly CHRISTIANITY did not condone free life style as what you have stated or free sex. Jesus said when you look at some one lustfully you had already commited adultry (Matthew 5:26). Christianity gave you a freedom of choice; If you choose to follow the word of GOD you will be rewarded not only in this life but also in your next life. CHRISTIANITY is so secure that it gave it followers a freedom to choose. Only unsecured persons/peoples will not gave freedom to it followers.

I wish I can meet and have a dialogue with those murtad. I cant comprehend why they want to convert to Christian. Less than 1% Christians are practising Christian teachings. Adult sex, drunk and gambling are "acceptable" by Christian community and people call this religion??!! Anyway, i wont surprise if those Malays practising free lifestyle would choose Christian . They dont have to worry about getting caught while practising free sex or drinking in public or gambling at Genting. Malaysian government is doing the right thing to curb this conversion. In Islam , fact being apostate is the Biggest sin and unforgivable. It is even considered worse than killing. Because a killer may have a second chance to repent before he or she is die. While an apostate would go to HELL forever with no second chance. That's why it is not surprising in parents would even kill their children if they find out. i would do the same thing too!!

Sarakatul Maut, you impressed upon me as the highest level of hypocrites. To you as long as we kafirs say the word Allah, it would be pleasing to Allah and exalt Islam, is it? Tell us please. Would it increase the greatness of Islam or what, even though calling Allah in vain? In other words, you obviously do not put high importance in isi hati!

That's why I said you are a hypocrite in the highest level. A hypocrite would LET OTHERS SEE OR HEAR that they are holy and pious, that's more important than goodness of the heart. Don't you worry about us kafirs, worry about yourself and your family. Make sure that they are seen to be holy and pious please. If you see those who wear skimpy clothes, please turn away and start to count sheep otherwise you may suddenly have the urge to have s**.

Alhamdulillah, selamat tahun baru saya ucapkan kepada muslimin & muslimat, and to all non-muslim termasuklah juga kepada golongan Murtad/munafik.

Selangkah kita ke tahun baru bukan bererti umur kita semakin panjang tapi kita semakin menghampirkan diri kepada “kematian/sakaratul maut” dan Alam Barzakh. Kita perlu beristiqamah dan meningkatkan amal Ibadah kita kepada Allah Azza wajallah.

Janganlah kita mati dalam keadaan kafir atau munafik/murtad seperti Firman Allah Ta’ala;

“Sesiapa yang murtad daripada agamanya dan mati, dia adalah kafir. Amalan-amalan (baik) mereka musnah di dunia dan akhirat. Mereka menjadi penghuni neraka yang kekal didalamnya.
And if any of you Turn back from their faith And die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit In this life and Hereafter; The will be Companions of the File And will abide therein”.- (Al-Baqarah : 217)


“Allah menjanjikan orang-orang munafik lelaki dan perempuan serta orang-orang kafir dengan Neraka Jahanam, mereka kekal di dalamnya. Cukuplah Neraka itu menjadi balasan mereka dan Allah melaknatkan mereka dan bagi mereka azab seksa yang kekal.
Allah hath promised the Hypocrites men and women, and the rejecters, of Faith, the fire of Hell: Therein shall they dwell: Sufficient is it for them: for them is the curse of Allah, and an enduring punishment.” - (Surah At Taubah : 68 )


Tahun baru disambut gembira oleh kaum Kristian apabila lesen The Herald telah diluluskan. Walaupun ada negatifnya, tapi saya memandang dari sudut positif. Di mana kini golongan kafir kristian akan mula mengucap nama Allah… Allah… Allah…

InshaAllah di masa yang akan datang, dengan hidayah Allah mereka akan belajar pula mengucap Allahu Rabbi…. Dan Allahu Akbar….
Dan berkemungkinan juga ramai antara mereka akan juga belajar untuk mengucapkan kalimah “LaillahaillAllah, Muhammada RasullAllah”

Kepada semua kaum muslimin/muslimat kita sama-sama berdoa semoga mereka akan mendapat hidayah Allah dan semoga saudara kita yang telah murtad turut mendapat semua petunjuk dari Allah.

“Dan sesungguhnya Kami telah datangkan kepada mereka, sebuah kitab (Al-Quran) yang kami telah menjelaskanya satu persatu berdasarkan pengetahuan (Kami yang meliputi segala-galanya), untuk menjadi hidayah pentunjuk dan rahmat, bagi orang-orang yang (mahu) beriman.
For We had certainly sent unto them a Book, based on knowledge, which We explained in detail,- a guide and a mercy to all who believe”. (Surah Al A’raf : 52)

Selamat Beribadah Kepada ALLAH.

written by Sakaratul Maut, December 31, 2007 | 09:39:37

I may not understand Christian/The Bible 100%.... but 20 years back when I did my undergrad in US, it was a requirement the foreign student to take 2 religious courses. I did take Christianity & Jesus As Christ because I want to compare The Injil (the Bible) and the Holy Quran. I understand that the Modern Bible had been re-written for so many times. Each version of Bible had different meaning to the versus or chapter. It was funny though to see the American students and the Prof arguing each other over the different meaning in the Bible because they read the different Version Bible... some read the old version ... while some read the upgraded version.... I also understand that whatever versus mentioned in the Bible has been explained clearly in the Quran but versus in the Quran does not appear in the Bible.
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You again with the stupid so-called high priest story that was unfounded. What for you go to US of A to study? Taxpayers money or parents money? What a waste! How many years you spend in US? Still don't know the correct spelling of plural verse? No wonder still "may not understand the Bible". Some more 20 years ago! Still can't get it right? Adoh!!!! I can suggest you go visit this website http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php, where ex-Muslims found the truth of the Quran but STILL rejected it. The arguments or debates between the students and the Professor on the Bible are events where you will never encounter for the Quran amongst people like you.

Hello all bloggers,
go log into http://www.acommonword.com/ and read into why 138 prominent scholars and leaders of all descendants and followers of Ishmael have to say on the "Common Word" found in both the Bible and the Quran: the advent of religious springtime?

Quote :" suggest that you read the Quran, then you will understand what you are missing in your life. Please also visit http://turntoislam.com, you will find out that thousands of Christian around the world found the truth of Allah in the Quran and convert to ISLAM " unquote.

No need to talk much. If so, why is there no freedom to leave Islam without threat of being murdered, jailed etc ?.

Let there be free flow in and out of Islam if Muslims are confident that the Kaffirs will find their way into Islam. All those who are in Islam would not want to leave if what you say is true. So they should be not worries of allowing free entry and exit.

Let the individual decide , it is between him and his God.

Subashini's husband has decided to embrace Islam, so be it but let his son grow up and decide for himself. Why the need to Islamise him at a tender age ?. On his own will he decide to embrace Islam when he grows up ? Why not let him decide it when he grows up.

I may not understand Christian/The Bible 100%.... but 20 years back when I did my undergrad in US, it was a requirement the foreign student to take 2 religious courses. I did take Christianity & Jesus As Christ because I want to compare The Injil (the Bible) and the Holy Quran. I understand that the Modern Bible had been re-written for so many times. Each version of Bible had different meaning to the versus or chapter. It was funny though to see the American students and the Prof arguing each other over the different meaning in the Bible because they read the different Version Bible... some read the old version ... while some read the upgraded version.... I also understand that whatever versus mentioned in the Bible has been explained clearly in the Quran but versus in the Quran does not appear in the Bible.

I suggest that you read the Quran, then you will understand what you are missing in your life. Please also visit http://turntoislam.com, you will find out that thousands of Christian around the world found the truth of Allah in the Quran and convert to ISLAM because the failed to get the answer from the Church or Bible.

Dalil Al Quran berhubung keuntungan dunia yang amat sedikit...

"Dan berimanlah kamu dengan apa yang Aku turunkan (Al-Quran) yang mengesahkan benarnya Kitab yang ada pada kamu dan janganlah kamu menjadi orang-orang yang mula-mula kafir (ingkar) akan ia dan janganlah pula kamu menjadikan ayat-ayatKu (sebagai harga untuk) membeli kelebihan-kelebihan yang sedikit faedahnya dan kepada Akulah sahaja hendaklah kamu bertakwa.
And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone." (Al Baqarah : 41)

"Kecelakaan besar bagi orang-orang yang menulis Kitab Taurat dengan tangan mereka (lalu mengubah Kalam Allah dengan rekaan-rekaan mereka), kemudian mereka berkata: "Ini ialah dari sisi Allah", supaya mereka dengan perbuatan itu dapat membeli keuntungan dunia yang sedikit. Maka kecelakaan besar bagi mereka disebabkan apa yang ditulis oleh tangan mereka dan kecelakaan besar bagi mereka dari apa yang mereka usahakan itu.
Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby." (Al Baqarah : 79)

"Sesungguhnya orang-orang yang menyembunyikan (meminda atau mengubah) apa-apa keterangan Kitab Suci yang telah diturunkan oleh Allah dan membeli dengannya keuntungan dunia yang sedikit faedahnya, mereka itu tidak mengisi dalam perut mereka selain dari api Neraka dan Allah tidak akan berkata-kata kepada mereka pada hari kiamat dan Dia tidak membersihkan mereka (dari dosa) dan mereka pula akan beroleh azab seksa yang tidak terperi sakitnya.
Those who conceal Allah.s revelations in the Book, and purchase for them a miserable profit,- they swallow into themselves naught but Fire; Allah will not address them on the Day of Resurrection. Nor purify them: Grievous will be their penalty." (Al Baqarah : 174)

"Sesungguhya orang-orang yang mengutamakan keuntungan dunia yang sedikit dengan menolaknya janji Allah dan mencabuli sumpah mereka, mereka tidak akan mendapat bahagian yang baik di hari akhirat, dan Allah tidak akan berkata-kata dengan mereka dan tidak akan memandang kepada mereka pada hari Kiamat, dan tidak akan membersihkan mereka (dari dosa), dan mereka pula akan beroleh azab seksa yang tidak terperi sakitya. As for those who sell The faith they owe to Allah And their own plighted word For a small price, They shall have no portion In the Hereafter: Nor will Allah (Deign to) speak to them Or look at them On the Day of Judgement, Nor will He cleanse them (Of sin): they shall have A grievous Penalty." (Ali Imran : 77)

"(Semuanya) itu hanyalah kesenangan yang sedikit jua, (akhirnya akan lenyap), kemudian tempat kembali mereka ialah nereka jahanam; dan itulah seburuk-buruk tempat ketetapan.
Little is it for enjoyment: Their ultimate abode Is Hell; what an evil bed (To lie on)!" (Ali Imran : 197)

Wallahulam.

"Kasihan.... kamu telah menjual kebahgiaan akhirat hanya untuk kesenangan dunia yang sementara... hanya semata-mata nak kahwin dengan boyfriend dari golongan kafir mushrik." Sakaratul Maut.

Tell me where is the actual words and sentence in your holy book that pass this judgment?

Mr Sakaratul Maut, first, there is no paderi tertinggi, no such post, never has been or will be.
Secondly, there is no such thing as a last prayer. This is a lie.
Ketiga: Perasaan bukan menentukan apa-apa tentang ugama yg betul. Kristan tidak menghalang sesiapa memilih ugama, tanpa ditindas dan dihina.
Keempat, Cerita ini telah saya baca.
Kelima, buatlah pemeriksaan kepada diri sendiri apabila menulis - adakah tulisan ini hasil benci atau kasih sayang. Diharap encik ini jujur dengan perasaa sendiri.
Terima kasih.

Sakaratul Maut,I quote " I want to share this story I heard sometimes ago from the Islamic Ceramah (sermon) by Ustaz (who was ex-Priest/Paderi) He was one of the top Priests/Paderi in Malaysia ,"unquote.

You fail to understand Christians, do not follow any pastor or priests etc, We follow Jesus Christ (Yesus Kristus) and His teachings.

So quoting so and so no matter how high a position he held before , in the Christian church does not matter to a Christian. Christians do not follow human personality. I don't think you will understand this though.

Kepada Lina Joy, “Maria” and the rest golongan MURTAD,

I want to share this story I heard sometimes ago from the Islamic Ceramah (sermon) by Ustaz (who was ex-Priest/Paderi)

He was one of the top Priests/Paderi in Malaysia at one time. Before dia nak ditabalkan sebagai Priest/Paderi tertinggi di Malaysia, dia telah menjalani kursus di Rome, Italy. At the end of his course, he was taught to say prayer/doa kepada orang Kristian yang diambang sakaratul maut (dying). The last prayer/doa yang diajarkan kepada dying kristian tidak lain selain…. “There no God but Allah, and Muhammad is His Messanger”…. Iaitulah kalimah syahadah yang umat Islam lafazkan. After returning home from Italy, he referred to Pej Agama Islam and converted to Islam, kerana dia merasakan bahwa Kristian bukanlah agama yang sebenarnya di sisi Allah.

Sesungguhnya Nabi Isa A.S (Jesus) diutuskan Allah kepada kaum Nasarah untuk mengajar agama Islam dan beriman kepada Allah, sepertimana firman Allah;

“Sesungguhnya agama (yang benar dan diredai) di sisi Allah ialah Islam. Dan orang-orang (Yahudi dan Nasrani) yang diberikan kitab itu tidak berselisih (mengenai ugama Islam dan enggan menerimanya) melainkan setelah sampai kepada mereka pengetahuan yang sah tentang kebenarannya; (perselisihan itu pula) semata-mata kerana hasad dengki yang ada dalam kalangan mereka. Dan (ingatlah), sesiapa yang kufur ingkar akan ayat-ayat keterangan Allah, maka sesungguhnya Allah amat segera hitungan hisabNya.” (Surah Ali-Imran : 19)

Bagi orang yang murtad mereka akan dihumbankan Allah ke dalam Neraka Jahanam dan mereka kekal di dalamnya. Ada juga kitab tafsir yang menjelaskan bahawa golongan murtad ini akan di humban ke dalam Neraka terlebih dahulu, sebelum Allah campakkan orang-orang kafir. Ini menunjukkan betapa hinanya golongan yang murtad ini di sisi Allah. Seperti firman Allah;

"Sesiapa yang murtad daripada agamanya dan mati, dia adalah kafir. Amalan-amalan (baik) mereka musnah di dunia dan akhirat. Mereka menjadi penghuni neraka yang kekal didalamnya." (Al-Baqarah : 217)

"Wahai orang-orang yang beriman! Peliharalah diri kamu dan keluarga kamu dari Neraka yang bahan-bahan bakarannya: Manusia dan batu (berhala); Neraka itu dijaga dan dikawal oleh malaikat-malaikat yang keras kasar (layanannya); mereka tidak menderhaka kepada Allah dalam segala yang diperintahkanNya kepada mereka, dan mereka pula tetap melakukan segala yang diperintahkan." (At-Tahrim : 6)

Kasihan.... kamu telah menjual kebahgiaan akhirat hanya untuk kesenangan dunia yang sementara... hanya semata-mata nak kahwin dengan boyfriend dari golongan kafir mushrik.

"Sesungguhya orang-orang yang mengutamakan keuntungan dunia yang sedikit dengan menolaknya janji Allah dan mencabuli sumpah mereka, mereka tidak akan mendapat bahagian yang baik di hari akhirat, dan Allah tidak akan berkata-kata dengan mereka dan tidak akan memandang kepada mereka pada hari Kiamat, dan tidak akan membersihkan mereka (dari dosa), dan mereka pula akan beroleh azab seksa yang tidak terperi sakitya." (Ali Imran : 77)

Kelak kamu akan tergolong bersama orang-orang yang menyesal di hadapan Allah,

"Dan (sungguh ngeri) sekiranya engkau melihat ketika orang-orang yang berdosa itu menundukkan kepalanya di hadapan Tuhan mereka (dalam keadaan malu dan hina, sambil merayu): Wahai Tuhan kami, kami telah melihat dan mendengar dengan sejelas-jelasnya (akan segala yang kami ingkari dahulu); maka kembalikanlah kami ke dunia supaya kami mengerjakan amal-amal yang baik; sesungguhnya kami sekarang telah yakin." (As Sajadah : 12)

Kembalilah kepangkuan Islam sebelum Malaikat Maut datang merentap Roh kamu dari umbun-umbun kamu dalam keadaan yang amat menyeksakan. Bertaubatlah sebelum terlambat, sesungguhnya Allah maha menerima taubat hambaNYA.

Religion is a choice of an individual. REligion is not a choice of the majority to impose on an individual. Freedom of religion and freedom of choice are the important entities of human dignity.

Respect for this values play a large part to make a society progressive.

Anyone here still seeing Lina Joy, Maria and others are muslim?

Your religion should be just between you and God. All this hullabaloo about what you can and cannot do is but a ploy to control the people. It has happened in history and is happening again. So, I guess this shows what type of govt it is and what their ultimate intentions are.

Conversion is a matter of conviction from the heart, from God. I can't speak for Maria but if I have to be the one, I'll stand up for my rights. I'll be prepared to face whatever consequences, prosecutions and whatever else there are from the people because God matters more than all else. In this country, just like anywhere else where islam is the rule of god and law of the land, there is no future for Christians. But there is such thing as hope for Christians because of our faith in God and because of His love for us.

Sensitive issue... nothing in our constitution that does not guarantee the freedom of religion. Guess it falls back to the religions authorities (funny which there is no provision in the constitution for such authority), and the power granted to them by the law. For Catholics, and for most other religion, conversion to other faith is not encouraged. There are counciling available, but at the end of the day, it is the individual who will make the ultimate choice as to what religion he or she take up. Why is Islam in Malaysia so unique that the choice is taken away from an individual? I think in Indonesia (the world most populous islamic nation), does allow conversion. I am not certain does anyone knows?

Dear feleaz,

Are you saying that both Lina Joy and Maria are not Muslim women that converted to other religion?

Dragonheart, you comment is very much welcome at this point of time but unfortunately most Muslims in Malaysia do not share your view. I can't really blame them because they have been brainwashed and brought up to think that way by the government. There is one point of yours which i don't agree "Muslim women converted to other religion", this never happens in Malaysia as least officially.

tanamrumput wrote,
"All my querries were actually satisfactory answered by a deviant guru. He said all religion are the same because it was delivered by the same person. "

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islam is not same to others religion because all the rest religion submitted to statue...islam is submitted to Allah who created the man and all of living/non living things ...I mean the universe...

I was also once became disillusioned of Islam. It did not gave me the answers to many of my questions. Instead I was being told not to ask too many questions because the act of doing so was the work of Satan since Allah said not to question any of His doings since He only gave men a limited knowledge. (Please don't ask me from which Surah that Allah said that).

All my querries were actually satisfactory answered by a deviant guru. He said all religion are the same because it was delivered by the same person. The only difference is that Islam had made it easier. (It is the Ustazs and Ulamaks who is making it difficult for us).

To Maria and Lina Joy (if you happen to read this). Backtrack and you may just find the answers.

Why Govmt wants to prevent Muslim fm leaving their faith even after rehab/ counseling to these people fails? I had a friend who is a Muslim convert (married a Malays wife) and he still buys TOTO, Magnum, 4D. I am sure prior to conversion, they hv to attend Islamic courses and despite having attended, the result is still negative. Ultimately this will be an insult to Muslims who walk the Islamic path. Do they want quantity and do not want quality Muslims?

"My church says if the authorities come, they are not going to stand up for me. I have to stand up for myself," she said.

If that was exactly what they told her, all I can say is "So typical Malaysian". On a spiritual level, one can even say "God is not there".

I heard even in the Middle East, there are people who convert from Islam to other religions and they are able to live peacefully in their own country. I just recently found out that the single biggest church in the world is in Indonesia, the biggest Islamic country in the world. The congregation is so big that each church member attends Sunday service once a fortnight.

Governments of these Islamic countries does not give a hoot if a Muslim decides to convert. To them perhaps, "if you think you like to go to hell, that's your own personal business. I've already told you Islam is the truth". They don't need to resort to tactics used here to prevent people from converting.

Whatever the authorities are doing here, in the name of protecting Islam, I sincerely believe they are really doing the reverse. Islam as a religion doesn't need this kind of protection.

Dear Dragonheart - very aptly put. It warms the heart when good, decent and kind comments like yours pops up. Thank you.

billyong, December 24, 2007 | 14:40:18
Can someone correct me that the word 'LOVE' is never mentioned in the Holy Koran?
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I confirm. Because the Quran is in Arabic. But in the Quran there are bigger words which gives the meaning of even greater love...e.g Ar-Rahman, Ar-Raheem are some examples

On the convert issues, I salute to those who converted because of their belief in their new found God and being pious to the new belief and want to change oneself and others to be good human beings... but for those who convert just because of hate or in love with another human, money and culture... this person have lack bearing in life. It doesn't matter from what religion to what religion one converted.... the aim and objectives must be for the betterment of oneself and to the community around him and her.

In Malaysia MANY non muslim "Men" convert to Islam because of in love of another muslim lady.... and many muslim "Women" coverted to "other" religion because they are in love with the man woth is of the another religion. Very FEW converted because they believed that the new religion is the better one for him/herself. I consider these people are just swingers.

My point here is simple. Let them do what they want to do(i.e to convert)... BUT the most important is.. we must protect and show the rest that we are better (doesn't matter what religion you are). If we want to keep what we have... patch put all our loop holes, clean our back yard, show that we are good and the best (e.g: Not just by listing down the Hadari rukuns or element but going against every one of them).

Last but not least, as a Muslim I would like to write down this verse from the Quran for those who which to read it:

Surah 109
Al-Kafirún (The Unbelievers)

Bismillaah ar-Rahman ar-Raheem
Qul yaa ayyuhal kaafiruun
Laa 'abudu maa t'abuduun
Walaa antum 'aabidunna maa a'abud
Walaa ana 'aabidun maa 'abadttum
Walaa antum 'aabiduuna maa a'abud
Lakmu deenukum wa liya deen

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
Say: Oh you who turn away
I do not worship what you worship,
nor do you worship what I worship.
And I will not worship what you worship,
Nor will you worship what I worship.
Your way is yours, and my way is mine.

I hope all the Muslims especially in the BN Government Understand this. Do what Allah asked us to do and do not bother what other religions do as that are their rights under our consititution. Makse sure the Muslims leaders, policies, communities and families leads to the right path. In other words the malay proverbs says "Jangan suka Jaga tepi kain orang"

Wallahualam and wasalam

This could well be a "planted " article meant to provoke another emotional response from all quarters. The debate about religious conversion could easily escalate into violence because matters regarding faith is not an academic issue but comes straight from the heart. For those who lack the understanding of Islam, nothwitstanding Muslim themselves, they must have the thorough knowledge of Usuluddin, Feqah and digest the Hadith and the Noble Qura'an in particular the issue of "Murtad". Since Islam is just not a private matter of the individual but in our Federal Constitution which clearly spells out its jurisdiction, therefore contentious issue pertaining to the " Hukum " can only be decided by the competent authority conferred by law. This forum is not proper and any opinions stated is irrelevant. I believe a hundred ar even a thousand Maria could be planted anywhere to arouse emotions that can spark profanities and blasphemy.

If you still like Malaysia and love your boyfriend and want to remain as Christian, why not go to Singapore? You can married in Singaporer as Christian and back to Malaysia anytime you want.

Can someone correct me that the word 'LOVE' is never mentioned in the Holy Koran?

"And, even now, the church she attends asked her to sign a declaration stating the church is not responsible for her conversion."

What a cowardly church!!! And these guys preach and push for "peace" in Israel/Palestine?

lakum dinukum waliyadin.....sesungguhnya mereka tidak akan berpuas hati terhadap Islam sehingga ke hari qiamat...............

to Temenggong
What's wrong with being lost? What's wrong with finding our way out of being lost? The most important thing is to be true to yourself. Of course you are too much of a hypocrite to understand this.

Is there only freedom of worship for the non Muslims? Seems that way doesn't it?

All these obstacles will make people like Maria have more faith in religions of their choice. I believe Maria has become a more faithful Christian and many more Christians themselves. Merry Christmas Maria

To Maria, Lina Joy and many others who have taken the bold step: "Merry Christmas!!God is with you!!"

seriously Lina Joy & Maria and all you apostates, is it necessary for you all to seek sanctions from religious bodies? Which ever god you choose to pray to and believe, your god will know and if you believe in him, he will bless you, with or without these human hypocritical "agents"
Go about your lives, be strong in your belief and no need to worry about anything else. No one can take this away from you because you don't need their permission.

Our Muslim Clerics are like good CEO. #1 importance is market share which also dictates their personal authority and good living.
Else matter little.

When we meet a hungry beggar or a needy mother with a few kids,is not good enough to wish them well and send them away.I believe all religions teaches us to share and love other but somehow many of us are either not following the teaching or perhaps due to selfishness we don't seem to do that.So sharing and giving from those who have more to those who literally have nothing is naturally a good deed to testisfy what God has guided us to follow.So it is not necessary to say giving something to help others who are less fortunate is a motive to convert others.If that is the case then all people belonging to different religions should do the same.Why not ask ourselves why are we not doing it eventhough we are taught to do so.If we cannot do it then we should be glad that somebody has got a kind heart to do that so that this world will be a better place to live for those who not as fortunate as we are.Conclusion is,if someone is better than us in doing something encourage him or her to do even more and we must not feel bad about it.After all we are all mankind living under one same universe and if we allow one part to suffer than it can affect us too,it is a matter of time.This also apply to how our leaders make decision in our nation.May peace be with us.

Yeah, they are cowards. They just talk a lot only!

Lina was making a statement; standing up for malay women, for constitutional freedoms, against hypocrisy. She was telling us all something!

UMNO don't want to give freedon to their own race. UMNO wants to own their race including their people. Any Malays who are successful is in debt to UMNO. They will have to contribute to their funds and hire their cronies and relatives.

So until today, many genuine and successful Malays stay as far away as possible from UMNO warlords.

Maria, Lina Joy should join hand in hand and look for more converts to group together. Encourage each other and love each other. Any church who don't dare to protect their own fellow christians is a farking coward.

There is GOD, I believe and know. Religion? I can do without. From Islam to Christianity, what difference does it make? Still subject yourself to the manipulation by man in religious robes.

Conscience, your conscience is your connection with GOD. Take good care of your conscience and all will take care of itself.

It is Christmas time, go out and have fun, it is the spirit of the season and never mind if you are buddhist, christian or Muslim.

There is usually a (diabolic) story behind most conversions. People convert not to 'find god, truth, etc' but to make a statement to family, friends, ex lovers, to spite, to undermine, to breakfree, to insult, to cause anguish, .... Its not that they can hold up their convictions to a validation discussion. The usualy fallback is 'I just believe'.

Fear not, Maria, for the Lord Jesus is with you and will never leave you to face this alone.

Hebrews 13:5 ... for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

A small portion of Psalm 91: He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. A thousand shall fall at thy side,and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee. Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.

A small portion of Isaiah 54: And all thy children1 shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children. In righteousness shalt thou be established: thou shalt be far from oppression; for thou shalt not fear: and from terror; for it shall not come near thee. Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake.
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.

Everyone has the right to choose their own religion...that is part of human rights. However, there needs to be a process to ensure that they are converting purely because of the believe and values, and not something else. For instance, I have read many cases in India where the church provides monthly allowances to Hindu families who convert.

This is really backward. All religions should respect and tolerate other religions and acknowledge the existence of other religions. Unfortunately, this is not the case.

Good for you Maria, you made the right choice - the right to choose your religion.

Believe me, you are not alone in this struggle to tell the world that you are a Christian or for that matter a Hindu, a Muslim, a Buddhist or any other religion that preaches positive values.

In every religion, there should be tolerance and respect. There should be provisions for allowing a person the right to leave. The same manner in which the person made an entrance. Strange but when a person makes an entrance, everyone is happy and with open arms, they rejoice. In the same light, these same people should also be happy for one who leaves the religion - happy that the person has found new-found happiness.

Maria is living in fear. Is this the kind of a world anyone would like to live in? And what did she do wrong. What crime did she commit to be living the life of a fugitive.

To live in misery or in fear - Is this the choice one has in a civilized society?

To anyone who says the religion says so - I say, to heck with you and your 'religion'. Freedom to choose is a basic right. Would you like your parents to choose what kind of clothes you like, what food you relish and what makes you happy. Heck, it is enshrined in our Constitution.

BN always declaring to the world that we are a democratic country n society in which freedom of worship is one of the basic/essential doctrinal ingredient!however,this pathetic story of Maria is a clear cut manifestation that the word democracy,hav been wrongfully used by those umno goons jus to satisfy their own political intents.it is infact incredible n indredulous for any human being to be borned into a so called democratic realm but losses his/her basic freedom of choice from the very first instance.

My advise is to LEAVE this country .. not because of any reason other than YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HAPPY IN THIS WORLD .. and if Malaysia, where all of us are born, CANNOT give us that, then reciprocally the country does not deserve to have our good hearts, our love for this land neither our efforts in building this land .. and it deserves to go to hell with all the "kepala otak"s that claim to be supposedly rightful heirs of this land ..

Good on you Maria for u are a voice to the many who live in fear due their faith and conviction. Its good that you bring this to the open so that the international community will know that we, Malaysia is an Islamic and police state under the veneer of Truly Asia crap.

I am sad to hear abt Maria's church who leaves her to fend for herself. But I am so proud and heartend that her faith and conviction in her faith in Jesus and GOD is far greater than an institution. Perhaps the institution can take a leaf from Maria's faith which is the foundation of Christian teaching to stand up and be counted in the face of prosecution.

As for the ultra Islamic ulama's who have no clue abt Islam since Quran clearly states religion is no complusion even during Sulaiman the Magnificent time, I pray for GOD's mercy on your soul.

If one has to convert from one religion to another, then one is completely lost and has missed the point.

Still the choice of missing the point must be respected.

Dear Maria,
Congratuation! You have made a right choice in your life time decision to be a good Christian. We all know that the path, especially for you in this country, is narrow and not easy, but it is indeed very rewarding in the end because we all have only one life to live in this temporary world.
As a good Christian, you have to go on to live a happy and victoriuos living by reading the Word of God daily in strenghtening your faith in your living God. It's only between you and God in your own personal way, a moment to moment encontering personal experiencing with God daily because God is alive and living in you as a living person, and His presence is indeed with you.
In your daily living, you need to use a lot of common sense and godly wisdom in your application in solving your daily needs and solving problems. This is very challenging! God knows!
This is my encouragement to you.

Malaysia is not a signatory to the the UN Declaration of Human Rights ( which includes faith freedom without persecution). Now we understand why BN govt have no respect for human rights.

Maria, if you read this, hang on to your faith. This is between you and God and nothing or no one should come in between. Don't despair over the conducts of your church authorities. I am sure there are many among your Christian brethren who support and pray for you. You are not alone.

God be with you. Take care.

As much as conversion results from the exercise of freedom of choice, or at least ought to, the same conversion should NOT turn out to be an entry into captivity.

But usually it is, one of changing cages.

All religions, including Islam, must accept an EXIT policy founded on the principle of freedom of choice, which, in turn, must be enabled by the freedom of information (responsibly and reasonably exercised in expression).

We confer our agreement to protect and support the PM if he restores the original rights and powers of the DYMM SPB YDPA and the Conference of Rulers as originally constituted in the Constitution of Malaysia which was removed by Dr Mahathir then. This will restore the Dignity and Sovereignty of the DYMM SPB YDPA and the Conference of Rulers. Furthermore, the PM is the 3rd highest authority in the country after them. Until then, he is on his own. The other objectives can come later in stages.

Best Regards.........
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Uninstalling the Old Format

Here are the
prevailing theories of suffering espoused by major belief systems:

1. All humans are Fallen Sinners due to Adam-Eve Original Sin.

2. Jews get "chosen" by God with a special (exclusive) deal, provided
they comply with their side of the bargain - Release 1.0 of the
Covenant with God.

3. Then God feels sorry for others, has love for them. To "save" all
of them, he sacrifices his one and only son to pay off the Original
Sin and thereby offer us a new deal (covenant). This Covenant says
that all humans can be saved (unlike just a few chosen ones earlier)
provided they accept the one and only son and his virgin birth and his
crucifixion as exclusive events and discard all alternatives. This is
Release 2.0 of God's Covenant, now available at your nearest church.

4. Then God sends the angel Gabriel to dictate a new Covenant, using
Prophet Mohammed as the intermediary. Prior covenants sent via
prophets became corrupted by humans; hence like any good CEO, God must
resend the book/manual of rules freshly. This is Release 3.0 of God's
Covenant.

[Fights over which release is valid and which are bogus has
preoccupied the abrahamic religions. There are good reasons why this
simply cannot be reconciled in the good old "win-win" american style.
The NECESSARY conditions for one release to operate DEMAND that other
releases must get uninstalled.

As an Agnostic, I always find it almost impossible to debate rationally with religious people, particularly Malay-Muslim in Malaysia.
500 years ago, European thinkers fight against the Church authority and won and hence segregation of State and Church since then...... Where are the Malay thinkers?
Don't the Malay-Muslim thinkers agree that :-
1) Religion is a personal decision, the state should not impose their will on each individual.
2) It is 'silly' to force someone to believe in your GOD? What purpose does it serve if his/her hear does not believe in it?
3) It is silly/hypocritical to welcome people of other faith to join the exclusive-Islam club, while NOT allowing Muslim to join other faith or simply just quit the club w/o joining a new club?
4) Is it not a reflection of 'insecurity/inferiority' to disallow member to quit the Islam-club?
If the club is attractive, there will be many who wish to join. If not, they would want to quit. Preventing those who wish to quit serve no purpose if their hearts are not with the same GOD as you do.
5) Even if large number of Malay no longer embrace Islam, will the Malay race cease to exist, and hence Malaysia will collapse? I find this hard to comprehend... A Japanese, Korean, Indian, filipino,Thai, can be Christian, Budhist, atheist or even Muslim, they are still Japanese, Korean, Indian, filipino,Thai. If Malay denounce Islam, he/she is NO longer Malay???

I have no religion affilation but I respect individual right to choose what he/she wants to believe it, as long he/she does not encroach on my space. Shouldn't any thinker person feel the same way...

Wake Up, Malay thinkers, intellectuals... Wake Up... Otherwise, Malay will not be a progressive people in the next 100 years...

I cannot believe the Malay's still allow the government to control their choice of faith/religion. Can they not decide on their own? Does the government think them stupid? Are Muslims so insecure about their religion that they force people to practice the faith even if they no longer want to? What kind of image are they portraying? This is sad.

This is a question of between religious freedom and abiding by the law of the land. Sooner or later we Malaysians will have to confront this issue. Spiritually, it is between you and God. Nothing can be forced in that sense. It helps if you seek strength from outside but don't look too far, strength comes from within because God is within us.

This is the most sad thing of being Malay, no right to freely choose what they want to believe. May GOD bless them to have this right.

What is important is how and what your heart tells you. I have always felt that religion is private to oneself and no one can change or take that away from you. God is with you and that should give you strength. Stick in there. I believe there will be justice some day.