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Thursday, 05 June 2008 13:10

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Petronas is too important to the nation. Petronas is the backbone of the Malaysian economy. Without Petronas this country would be dead. Should something that important be under the control of just one man where even Parliament has no say over it?

NO HOLDS BARRED

Raja Petra Kamarudin

We should not worry so much about the petrol price increase. Even if Pakatan Rakyat had formed the federal government and even if Anwar Ibrahim had become the prime minister we would have still suffered this price increase. So is it fair to target Abdullah Ahmad Badawi singly for this petrol price increase?

The blame for the increase in the price of petrol should not be placed on the shoulders of one man and it should be seen within a bigger picture rather than in isolation. Could Abdullah Ahmad Badawi have done anything about it even if he wanted to? Or is Abdullah Ahmad Badawi a victim of circumstances, who anyone who was heading the government today would also have to endure?

It is very easy to blame someone else for our problems. Who, after all, would want to admit that he or she is the problem? And the most unpopular move a government can make is a move that affects your pocket.

Do anything. Kill detainees in the police lockup. Detain political opponents and dissidents without trial on the lame excuse that they are threats to national security. Spend billions of the nation’s money on white elephants and monumental projects. Siphon out billions of Ringgit in ‘commissions’ from government projects and stash the money in numbered Swiss bank accounts. Kill of all the Rainforests. Mess up the environment. In short, do whatever you want. Just don’t put any strain on my pocket. The instant you touch my pocket, then, and only then, will I rise up in anger. That is the mentality of the Malaysian Rakyat.

We should not get upset with the increase in the price of petrol. What we should get upset about is the fact that over 34 years since 1974, Malaysia has earned an estimated RM2 trillion in oil revenue. I say ‘estimated’ because that is the only basis we can use in figuring out what the actual amount is. Petronas’ accounts are not published and are not tabled before Parliament. According to the Petroleum Development Act 1974, Petronas need not make its accounts public. Petronas need not even report to anyone, not even to Parliament. Petronas reports to just one man, the Prime Minister of Malaysia.

Petronas is too important to the nation. Petronas is the backbone of the Malaysian economy. Without Petronas this country would be dead. Should something that important be under the control of just one man where even Parliament has no say over it? That is what we should be angry about. We should not be angry that the price of petrol has increased. It is not Abdullah Ahmad Badawi’s fault.

Okay, if we want to still be angry with Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, then let us be angry about the fact that just before the 8 March 2008 general election the government promised the voters that the price of petrol would not be increased. Then, even before 100 days after the general election, they go and increase it. They lied to us. They led us to believe that if we voted for them the price of petrol would not be increased. Then, after 50% or so of Malaysians voted for them, they go and increase the price of petrol. If they had been honest and had said that as soon as the general election is over they will increase the price of petrol, then 50% of Malaysians would not have voted for them. If they had been honest and had said that as soon as the general election is over they will increase the price of petrol, then more than five states would have fallen to Pakatan Rakyat and Barisan Nasional would no longer be the federal government.

Yes, that we can be angry about, if we want to be angry about something. Be angry that they lied to us. Be angry that they got 50% of Malaysians to vote for them under false pretences. But we should not be angry with Abdullah Ahmad Badawi for increasing the price of petrol when he really had no choice in the matter.

I am not angry about the increase in the price of petrol when Abdullah Ahmad Badawi could not avoid increasing it. I am angry that he was forced to increase it. Why was he forced to increase it? And what happened to the estimated RM2 trillion that Petronas has earned over 34 years since 1974? And why are the accounts not made public or tabled before Parliament? Was not Petronas set up through an Act of Parliament via the Petroleum Development Act 1974? Therefore, should not Parliament have the power and authority to demand that Petronas table its accounts before Parliament? Why are the accounts secret? And why should Petronas report to only one man?

Petronas should be turned into a pubic listed company. Petronas should be called Petroleum Malaysia Berhad or Petromas Bhd or PMB and it should be listed on the Kuala Lumpur Stock Exchange and its accounts should be made public like all other public companies. Then PMB must hold annual general meetings and all shareholders who hold even just one share should be allowed to attend these AGMs and be allowed to ask questions. And the Directors of PMB should be both nominees of the majority shareholders (meaning the government) plus representatives of the minority shareholders (meaning you and me who hold just one share or one lot of shares). And the Directors of PMB (in particular those representing the minority shareholders) should be appointed at the AGMs. And if the shareholders are not happy with the Directors, then the shareholders can remove them via an EGM if the minimum requirements for an EGM are met.

That is what should be done, but is not done, and that is what we should be angry about. We should not be angry about the increase in the price of petrol when the increase is unavoidable and Abdullah Ahmad Badawi has really no other alternative. And we should also be angry about the fact that Abdullah Ahmad Badawi had no alternative but to increase the price of petrol. And we must not forget to also be angry about the matter of the estimated RM2 trillion that Petronas has earned over 34 years since 1974. And we must certainly be angry about the fact that we do not really know how much money Petronas has earned over 34 years since 1974 or what happened to the money. And we must remember to be angry about the fact that Petronas need not table its accounts or report to Parliament and about the fact that only one man, the Prime Minister, knows what is going on in Petronas and how much it has really earned and where all that money has gone to.

Oh, and since we are in the mood of getting angry, let us also get angry about the estimated RM30 billion that Terengganu has earned, which we do not know where the money has gone, and about the estimated RM30 billion that Sabah and Sarawak have also earned, which we also do not know where the money has gone. And let us also get angry about the estimated RM1 trillion that Petronas paid the government by way of corporate tax, which we also do not know where the money has gone. Furthermore, let us also get angry about the estimated RM900 billion or so that Petronas did not pay Terengganu, Sabah, Sarawak, or the federal government by way of corporate tax, which we also do not know where the money has gone.

Yes, let us get angry about all that. But let us not get angry about the increase in the price of petrol because this is just the end result of all the other things we should really be angry about but somehow are not. And let us not blame Abdullah Ahmad Badawi for increasing the price of petrol. It is not Abdullah Ahmad Badawi’s fault. He has no alternative but to increase the price of petrol. Instead, we should be angry with ourselves. We kept quiet over 34 years since 1974. We did not care what they did with Petronas over 34 years since 1974. We did not bother to ask what they are doing with the estimated RM2 trillion of Petronas’ money. We did not demand that the public or Parliament get to peep into Petronas’ accounts. We just continued voting for Barisan Nasional over 34 years since 1974 without a care in the world. We should be angry with ourselves for the increase in the price of petrol, not with Abdullah Ahmad Badawi.

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written by DatoSeri, June 05, 2008 13:18:36
RPK,

You shift the blame to the voters who voted UMNO/BN?

Well, I agree with that though it may not be the entirety.
So, those who voted the UMNO/BN deserve it, while unfortunately it caused the rest of the rakyat hardship.
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written by Heikal, June 05, 2008 13:21:34
The reason malaysians before this voted for BN largely because of the local BN controlled newspapers, which shut down open and critical discussion. Berita Hairan and Utusan Meloya would highlight a massive pig farming project but a judicial scandal is not given light. all this while they had trapped the citizens of the country .
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written by kl_wong, June 05, 2008 13:22:46
Hello Pete

You may be spot on. But it hurts a lot of poor rakyat. Barisan Nasional has been lying and corrupting all along. With the amount of Ringgit Malaysia you mentioned, it is to huge. What has been develope under those profits been made? The increased of petrol price will automatically increase every Malaysian basic needs. And the problem is, our salaries do not increase with such a huge percentage.
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written by Birdbrain, June 05, 2008 13:22:53
Yes, we should not be angry at Abdullah Badawi. In fact we should be angry at the Sarwakians and Sabahans who voted blindly for Barisan Nasional on March 8. The East Malaysians should instead apologies to us Peninsular ppl that they have made a stupid mistake in believing Barisan Nasional will be there to help them whenever they are in trouble.

Never too late to repent! Wake up Sabahans and Sarawkians, you leaders had betrayed you all. They think for themselves ,not for you. Next election, vote them out!

Cuckoo!
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written by kamal, June 05, 2008 13:25:05
Petronas should be made accountable and there must transparency.

Rakyat should know where the revenue is channel to.

Read my blog KAMAL-TALKS http://kamal-talksmalaysia.blogspot.com
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written by delCapo, June 05, 2008 13:25:20
I couldn't agree more.

Lying is like a 2nd nature to AAB... Marriage, Elections... now this.
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written by peng, June 05, 2008 13:26:33
RPK, you are so right!
Now we can be double angry because we know that if we have questioned the government about Petronas' earnings and what it was spent on, we will not get an answer!
Whichever way we lose.
The only way = vote out BN.
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written by budakindia, June 05, 2008 13:27:07
Oooh we are not angry! we just want to see him dead along with all his Islam hadhari, ketuanan melayu with his family! We want to see him burn in Hell for everything he had done! and no we are not angry at all!
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written by JJays, June 05, 2008 13:27:42
Kick the fellow out before it get worse.
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written by krepot, June 05, 2008 13:28:12
I demand, my MP demand for an explanation on Petronas accounts in Parliament as soon as possible.

I further demand, my MP push for making Petronas a public company, completely transparent to all Malaysians.

I demand, all past transactions of Petronas be made public - every cent, accountable and any wrong doings, be justly prosecuted, even if it takes the next 20 years!
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written by CitizenBodohland, June 05, 2008 13:31:45
We just continued voting for Barisan Nasional over 34 years since 1974 without a care in the world. We should be angry with ourselves for the increase in the price of petrol, not with Abdullah Ahmad Badawi.


We should be angry at SPR for its 34 years of gerrymandering too.
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written by Garend, June 05, 2008 13:32:31
I Totally Agree..

Well... if ALL the money is channeled back to the good of the "Rakyat" .. (especially the down-trodden one) .. I also won't be so angry.. but the increase is to support their own benefits... that one I am angry about it.

I feel like someone is setting up Pak Lah that they have no choice but to change it to yesterday instead of August.. surely there is some answer to this...

Dear RPK... any news on this? I only hope is that there will be a "BIG CHANGE" so that the money will be used for the benefit of all. And those corrupted one will be exposed to the light.. and the "extra income" they consumed will be re-channeled back to the "Rakyat"
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written by AngryTaxpayer, June 05, 2008 13:32:36
Spot On RPK!!!
I'm not raging mad about the fuel price hike...I'm raging mad bcos of all the unexplained leakages and unexplainable expenditure!!!

If the country was run properly, the common man on the street would not be able to feel the punch as badly as they feel it now.....add the electricity tariff hike and eventually food price hike........where are those poor folks going to get their next meal?
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written by cheemengwong, June 05, 2008 13:32:47
Dear Pete,

OK, I admit I was angry at the wrong things prior to reading your level headed writeup. Now I am angry...hopefully at the right things.

a. There were no accounts prepared in Petronas,therefore how to table and report?
b. 50 % of Raayat is still dreaming about BN.
c. I am really angry why when my parents grow vegetable in my farm, I have to pay subsidy to eat the vegetables!
d. No cosumer groups were invited to discuss and study the impact of such a seriou issue affecting the Raayat.
e. I was caught in a traffic jam becos many Raayat need to save a few dollars yesterday.
f. I am very very angry that our PM can just lie to the Raayat with a straight face professing that he is practising Islam Hadhari.
g. I am very angry that the whole cabinet did not raise this lie to him. The Raayat may forget but not so easily. Maybe Pak Lah is old. Must we forgive him or what?
i. I am angry the government of the day take the Raayat for granted and is asked to bear all the burden and errors the government made and going to make.

What to do?
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written by indianputra, June 05, 2008 13:35:32
Aiyooohhh!!! RPK.. How many readers in here can fathom your sarcasm?? It took me a while to understand the innersignificance of what you have written.. Don't blame Pak ah!!! LOL!

By the way, Petronas income.. Anybody got a calulator?

870,000 Barrels of crude/day X 365 days a year X USD 125 X 3.2 Ringgit = ????
Ok Lah... minus 30% Operating cost! = ????
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written by miracle, June 05, 2008 13:36:24
that why i am so angry ... why should we rakyat pay for higher fuel when petronas profits getting higher and higher and the $$ "M I A"??? i am angry for all the reasons stated above that le*** to us suffer ... the goverment will not be affected... all their expenses paid by the rakyat .. in fact they might be richer .. in take opportunity of this situation....

YM RPK, what could we do? please come out ideas on what we could do ...
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written by malsia1206, June 05, 2008 13:37:31
"Petronas reports to just one man, the Prime Minister of Malaysia". OK, let's start from there. Start from the times of TDM. This Nation has to ask of TDM what he had instructed Petronas to spend on the major tickets during those 20 years. We all know about the Twin Towers, KLIA, Sepang F1 and those grang mounuments and infrastructures. But there's more to these. What were the other major expenditures? We need answers from TDM before we proceed next with the current PM. Let's get our priorities right. Maybe Matthias Chang should shed some light on this. Direct, forthcoming and transparently for all to see. Let's get all the cards on the table. Full pack of 52. All 4 Jokers included.
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written by Flex65, June 05, 2008 13:38:15
There is one more thing to be angry about, I am angry with Bodowi for putting my beloved Malaysia at shame because we have to pay such a high price for petrol when we are a net exporting country. Which other net exporting country pay such a high price? If Bodowi can do so many things at his will and fancies why not channel Petronas extra earnings to subsidize the petrol? The answer is quite simple, he knows that his end is near so he must get as much money as he can.
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written by malaysianohope, June 05, 2008 13:38:36
Abang Pete,
We are not angry about the increase in price of petrol per se but the manner in which the PM went about it. Hitting us with a 41% increase for petrol, 63% for diesel & 18% for electricity with one shot is like "throwing our Grandma under the bus" without knowing the dire consequential effects. He could have stagger the increase but NO he thinks he's a hero hitting us point blank as if our bank accounts are like his.
Yes, he definitely LIED about not increasing price which I agree wholehearted.
Yes, Petronas's accounts should have been disclosed annually to its shareholders ie the Rakyat not "Dia Bapak Punya".
No, with the reduction in subsidy can the dimwit guarantee to the Rakyat that the savings from it to gainfully employed instead of lining their pockets.

That's the reasons why we are totally pissed!
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written by Traveller2020, June 05, 2008 13:39:42
Under The Official Secrets Act you are not going to get answers.Under The Official Secrets Act you are not going to get to answers how Independent Power Producers squeeze Tenaga Nasional for the higher tariffs.Under THE Official Secrets Act you are not going to get the toll cconcession companies to tell you why there are cost- overruns when the highways were built.
You see the Government of Malaysia is held hostage by big Malaysian companies , Petronas included....have you heard of the wastage that Petronas in house band called Philandering Money Orchestra is music to their ears?
To the 50% who voted the Barisan Nasional you got your dues.To Sabah and Sarawak...penny wise pound foolish.
To the Barisan Nasional component parties and politicians do not walk away and inspect longkangs now...you just made 26 million Malaysians voted you the Idioit Idols of Malaysia.
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written by hibiscus22, June 05, 2008 13:39:43
"We just continued voting for Barisan Nasional over 34 years since 1974 without a care in the world."
That's right Pete, all Malaysian Melayu, Cina, Indian, Others has been bloody stupid and blind towards government propaganda and voted them years in years out. We're fighting each other just because of ketuanan this and that, justice this and that, subsidy this subsidy that etc. Wake up and be real, do not blame others. Whether like it or not, we're in this shit together and together we all must share this shit and do clean up.Vote only for competent politician that talk universal values - not those wave keris, ketuanan, racism issue, kulit, religion etc all nonsense stoneage mentality. smilies/sad.gif
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written by little dragon, June 05, 2008 13:39:53
in a single stroke, aab is trying to achieve 2 things.

1. demonstrate to umno members dat he is a strong n firm leader .............. "look, i can make extremely difficult n unpopular decisions, even to d extent of ruining d country, n still keep umno in power".

2. demonstrate to malaysians dat he is a strong n firm leader ................ "i can screw u ppl upside down left n right. so, wat u gonna do about it?"
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written by Conan Chung, June 05, 2008 13:44:40
Like the rest of the commentators here, i also agree with what Pete say. Be angry for ourselves for 'closing our mouths' for so long.

But let us remind ourselves that we too are the victim of the racial ploys. Also let us remember the fact that we have 'no' choice. There were no Pakatan Rakyat or something as powerful then. It was no competition when times were good and everyone is in paradise. Now that paradise is gone, we wake up to see a failing state. Soon, i suspect we would become like Myanmar; under military rule.

Despite all that you said Pete, we are still in a dilemma. Although we have 'woken' up to see hell, we are still 'powerless'. I believe that although most of the people can exercise their voting rights, it still does not give an impact because there are always still some people living in their dreams. They dream that BN will change.

The rest of us are still unable to dislodge BN rule (due to the unfair practice of marking territories). And other than that, we do not know what to do. Most people would not involve themselves in politics. And the government presses us hard with their riot control laws, their use of the police force and 'illegal gathering' excuses.

What i'm trying to say is that too incapacitated to unite and be a threat. So is PR. The whole problem lies in our 'power distance' gap. We have tolerated the powerful being all-powerful for too long that now we have a hard time kicking them out. The only way i see it, is that this country would be 'saved' if the BN self-destructs. And the reason for them self-destructing would simply because of "money and power" struggle.

Am i wrong? Please prove me.
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written by ez24get, June 05, 2008 13:44:57
The word “subsidy” has been brandished by the BN government as if it has so generously helped the rakyat and in doing so incurred losses. This simple example will help to explain the fallacy:

Example:
Ahmad is a fisherman. He sells a fish to you at $10 which is below the market value of $15. Let’s assume that he caught the fish from the abundance of the sea at little or no cost. Ahmad claims that since the market value of the fish is $15 and he sold you the fish for $10, he had subsidised you $5 and therefore made a loss of $5.

Question : Did Ahmad actually make a profit of $10 or loss of $5 which he claimed is the subsidy?

Answer:
Ahmad makes a profit of $10 which is the difference of the selling price ($10) minus the cost price ($0 since the fish was caught from the abundance of the sea). There is no subsidy as claimed by Ahmad.


The BN government claims that it is a subsidy because the oil produced by Petronas is kept separated and treated as somebody else’s property (you know who). By right, the oil belongs to all citizens of the country and the government is a trustee for the citizens. So as in the above simple example, the BN government cannot claim that it has subsidised the citizen!
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written by malaysian2008, June 05, 2008 13:47:05
the fact that only one man, the Prime Minister, knows what is going on in Petronas and how much it has really earned and where all that money has gone to.

No,No, the one man now find ways to help SCOMI, his oil 4 $$$ schemes, and instant billions richer plan. you think he will table the accounts to public ?? you are joking man.
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written by tattooing, June 05, 2008 13:49:25
Dalam wawancara Buletin TV3 [8.00 malam 4/6/2008] Dato’ Shahrir Samad memberitahu tujuan sebenar mengurangkan subsidi minyak ini adalah untuk menampung kos pembangunan Negara......
Inilah jawapan paling ikhlas Dato' Shahrir berhubung kenaikkan harga minyak.
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written by almier, June 05, 2008 13:51:59
RPK, I got your point....Let's get angry with TDM then...his been sitting there for 20 more years....and yes...yes...still what? Consultant/adviser of Petronas..

Ahuh!!!! that's is why that Nazri does not want TDM to be fired from Petronas...coz..he would detonate the Hirosima bomb and all the particles in the 20 more years old vouch go to the air like Bunga Api....and the public can see all the beautiful colours sparkling up above the Twin Towers....


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written by Milo, June 05, 2008 13:55:37
Yes, we should not be angry with the PM; we should just change the government. Nothing significatly good will happen if they remain. Just change the government and the PM. There is no need or any point in getting angry as it would hurt them one bit and doesn't change things.
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written by teo siew chin, June 05, 2008 13:55:50
and I am angry with YM RPK cos he did not reveal WHY the increase is imposed at this particular point of time!
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written by krepot, June 05, 2008 13:55:57
(numbers are made up, but try and understand the logic)

Rubber - we all know, Malaysia is full of it, one of the biggest in the world.

We grow rubber, we tap rubber and we sell rubber/latex etc.

Lets say:

In year 2000, rubber was traded for RM30 per kg.
Cost of production (planting/harvesting/labour/factory/etc. was RM20 per kg.
So, we made RM10 per kg on profits.

In year 2008, rubber was traded for RM132 per kg.
The cost of production only went up by about 20% over the last 8 years
Therefore, cost of production ((planting/harvesting/labour/factory/etc. was RM20 20% ~ RM24 per kg.
Therefore we now make a whopping RM108 per kg on profits

Apply this logic to Crude Oil, the stuff Petronas extracts and sells daily:

Year 2000: Price per barrel: USD30
Year 2008: Price per barrel: USD132

Oil Price Source: http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o263/Daneelo/ET graphs/OilEuros/CrudesED_Long_2008-03-18_BIG.gif

Now, could someone in the industry, please give us, the real numbers to crunch so that we can educate fellow Malaysians and the kampung folks who voted for Barisan Nasional, how our government has been hoodwinking us all these years!
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written by Milo, June 05, 2008 13:56:18
corrention: ...it wouldn't hurt them one bit and doesn't change things.
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written by Fernz, June 05, 2008 13:56:22
Focus on the fuel price formula, not the pump price. Effective 5 June 2008, the fuel price will be reviewed monthly to be 0.30 sen less than the market price per litre. The market price today is RM3.00 per litre which gives us RM2.70 per litre at the pump for the next one month after the 0.30 sen discount. The principle of 0.30 sen per litre discount stays.

This means if the market price of fuel goes down to RM2.90 by 5 July, the price at the pump after the 0.30 sen discount will be RM2.60 per litre. If the market price of fuel goes up to RM3.10 per litre by 5 July, we will have to pay RM2.80 per litre at the pump after the discount of 0.30 sen. The principle must be accepted. What we can dispute is the 0.30 sen discount per litre. Maybe it should be 0.50 sen per litre. Discount (or subsidy) means taxes foregone by the government. Don't focus on the fuel price at the pump going up from RM1.92 to RM2.70 per litre.

Focus on the formula for fuel prices. Denmark, for example, reviews the fuel price at the pump weekly. Focus also on the poor state of the public transportation and the fact that most cars on the road have only one person inside it. We need to stop buying cars and change our lifestyle. Public transportation is the way to go. Why drive to work and leave the car in the parking lot to bake in the sun the whole day, only to drive back home in the evening? Take the bus or tram to work. Carpool.

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written by cubi76, June 05, 2008 13:58:54
The government is losing its sight in managing its budget and asset allocation. Instead of finding ways to manage its incomes and expenses as a whole, they seem to always focus on the imcome and expenditure. Yes, the government is suffering from huge subsidy from the spike in world oil price. The country actually doesnt earn much even if the oil price breaches US$200 because Petronas actually sells our national treasure at ridiculously low price. I guess that's one of the main reasons the government refuses to disclose its account. Given the economic condition in our country, the government consider the option to streamline all the overcrowded public departments and cut down unnessasory expenses. That is the only way to improve efficiency and optimal use of public funds.

We have the highest number of public sector worker ratio in the world. Size doesnt matter in governence, does it? I think speed does.
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written by ONGJJJ, June 05, 2008 13:59:32
They want us to get angry, to pour out onto the street to protest, to get violent, to go on riot....but we, the Rakyat, are better men. Let's stsy calm and stir up shame in them peacefully.
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written by temenggong, June 05, 2008 14:01:22
Not just Petronas but all govt bodies and semi govt govt whether federal or state should make disclosures 'as if' they are companies listed on the Bursa Saham, and comply with all guidelines and rules by the Bursa as well as the Securities Commission.

This way all these govt bodies will be on par with listed companies on accounts and disclosures, fully available on the web.

I hope Pakatan takes up this issue.
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written by hiro, June 05, 2008 14:03:03
Yes, Badawi was forced to increase the fuel price. But who's fault is it? It is him, and TDM before him. They are supposedly leaders who could have brought much development with the obscene amount of money made from crude oil production. Yet we are a sorry state of development today, backwards in good governance, incompetence and lack of diligence in civil service, and corrupt in government officials.

We could have leaped forward like a giant if we have had a visionary government that is disciplined on rule of law and transparency. We would have increased the living standards of all of Malaysians. By that time, yes, we may be forced by circumstances to stop increasing subsidy and therefore allowing fuel price to go up, but the rakyat would have been grateful and would understand the government's dilemma because the government would have done its best.

The rakyat is not just fearful of the impact of this staggering increase, but also frustrated because we are sliding as a nation. Since elections, zero has come forth in terms of better governance, short of live telecast of parliamentary proceedings and a few positive pronouncements that just remains as such without actually being implemented yet.

This is just not acceptable, whatever the economists think is good for our economy in the long run. Not acceptable until the government is forced to make all the structural changes necessary to move us forward as a nation.

For more, see http://hiroblog2007.blogspot.com/ under the heading "Subsidy Should Go No Matter What" and "Remember this day... Black Wednesday"
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written by jimfish, June 05, 2008 14:06:28
RPK has his points in this article. Oil price hikes is not controlled by one person here in this case meaning not controlled by AAB. It's a global economical issue. However, we should be angry with how these money made from oil being used or spent or just disappered into nowhere. Maybe if the money used wisely, it has already improved a lot in our living and eradicate the poor. If these money was once spent wisely, maybe today we wont find RM2.70/litre of oil is a bundle to us!
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written by cheemengwong, June 05, 2008 14:06:47
I think Pertronas now has to pay another Taiko i.e Pak Lah. Before that only Dr. M.

Is that the reason for the increase?
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written by Zapper, June 05, 2008 14:07:27
RPK is definitely right on the increase in fuel price which is affecting the global economy and Malaysia is not spared. But the BN should know that the increase is inevitable and yet they misled the rakyat to believe that everything is under control. What I am concerned and curious is that BN as the custodian of the country's resources has NOT provided any form (no matter how primitive) of accountability as to the utilization. BN/UMNO thinks that these resources belong to them exclusively and they can do what they want.

The government always as asked the rakyat to sacrifice but have the government lead by example. I really do not think so....look at the spending on unnecessary items whenever there is a VIP attending a function. They are VIP because the rakyat put them there and not their birth right. An example on the banners put up by the Ministry of Tourism. The faces of the minister and PM took up >50% of the space...what type of promotion is that??
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written by jalapeno, June 05, 2008 14:07:53
I really hope there is another economy crisis and Malaysia does not have enough money to bail out herself and force to take up loans from IMF. Though we have to pay some interest on the loans, at least IMF now have the authority to scrutinize the federal accounts and in turn become our watch dog. To hell with secret act!
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written by PasarRoad, June 05, 2008 14:07:58
I did not vote for BN (spit on them!). I voted for PKR/PAS/DAP. I did not vote for BN
AAB! Please devise a fuel hike which will only be borne by BN supporters, not by the rest of us!
Btw, I want my share of Petronas profits, when can I have it?

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written by Sean E, June 05, 2008 14:08:22
RPK is right.

If those money has been well spent and managed. The country would be prosperous, the rakyat would be earning a much higher income and the hit of the increase oil price would be less.
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written by diablo95, June 05, 2008 14:09:17
undilah barisan nasional...hidup pak lah....
hanya barisan nasional akan menentukan kesejahteraan hidup anda....
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written by Limes07, June 05, 2008 14:11:17
Now, we are all very ANGRY. What should we do. How do we channelled all our
Anger at the right direction, at the right people, at the right place and at the right time all over the country to be effective. Lets just do it or we will forever be doomed
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written by Bernard Tan, June 05, 2008 14:15:08
Suggest everyone to boycott buying new cars, it is like donating 5 figures to bodowi. Buy 2nd hand japanese cars to replace petrol hungry proton cars.

Bodowi, demand u to lower the BLR to 5% since you have raise the fuel price. We need savings from housing loan to compensate for the fuel increase.
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written by trulyMalaysia, June 05, 2008 14:15:23
Hi Pete,

well written piece again. But reader, my thought is this. Why does he increase by so much? Come December this year (6 months away)there will be a election. Malaysia is all about money politics. Guess who need money be be re-elected? Without money this idiot will be finished!! Lets hope PR will come in soon to save Malaysia!
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written by Sean E, June 05, 2008 14:15:36
I do agree with Fernz on car pool and using the public transport.

But the government has to do their part on public transport. Try park and ride. You will find that the car park at LRT statios are inadequate and dimly lit at night. The parking rate is also quite high. Can't we have multi storey car park at these stations.

Once the public transport is improved, restrict car going into KL city centre by having some kind of congestion charge. A lot of time during rush hours, thousands of single occupant cars are stuck in jam burning off precious petrol.
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written by Raisuri, June 05, 2008 14:16:21
Dear

I am not angry with the increase of petrol prices.It happen all over the world.But, really angry and hardly to accept that I have to live in MALAYSIA which lead by most of low IQ whose do not have brain and heart.

In ISLAM we can't blame leader if they tried the best based on the given guidance.However, what happen here is that our leader choose stupid way and do nothing to overcome problem.I believe that this problem largely is responsible by leader.Who has power to choose right or left to lead the country.

Did he promote for NGV before this crisis?
Did he enhanced public transport?
Did he tried to solve the toll problem?
Did he enhanced the public road?
Did he managed to enhance the agricultural sector?
What the hack he is doing with mega project?
What the xxx he is doing with angkasawan project?

I can't find any reasons to exclude him from the cause for this mess.
I think this man don't have heart and enough cell for good brain to manage the country.I think he and his umno colleages are cursing this country.
Is he sleeping again?
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written by Tan Tan, June 05, 2008 14:16:41
I must admit we all are to be blame. I also agree that we chinese stop caring about the country and only work hard to maintain ourselves. Never stand strong or unity with other races to question the government. Always scare and don't bother and think that other ppls will fight the cause of us.

For all the chinese who thinks Malaysia politic and government is not our problem and we can't do anything about it, you are memang bodoh and dun be angry when our malays friends call you that because they are right all along!
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written by MasterBlaster, June 05, 2008 14:18:37
Naik 8 sen la dulu... people scream just awhile
But this is too much...
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written by HARIMAU BIN ABDULLAH, June 05, 2008 14:19:07
Bodohland was sold to Japan and the World Bank by Maha-shit.
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written by grant, June 05, 2008 14:19:16
sir, u mentioned that because of 1 nyamuk, u cud burn down the whole kelambu... i guess we are in that state.. i dont think it is wrong... if the root of the matter has to be addressed then it is time for badawi to take the mandatory and necessary actions to amend them and fix the root of all problems... even if he has to increase the petrol price because he is forced to, that is totally a different matter for now but badawi still needs to do what is right... if for the past 34 years everything has been wrong, then i dont think it is that late yet for badawi to do something .... and if he doesnt then i dont think it is wrong to be angry at him.... witholding any benefit of the doubt for badawi, i dont think he cares two hoots since he sleeps on the job more often than not...
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written by Surind Raj, June 05, 2008 14:19:32
Dear RPK & Gang,

There is no one person I blame. If anything I blame myself & I think if more people blame themselves & then "move on" to take action about it & empower others, we'll, the ripple effect of that would have resulted in a change in government, change in mentality, change in attitudes, etc. More change for the better!

& it's really hope & change & checks & balance & transparency, accountability, etc. that many of us still must have & must still want. We are all Malaysians, but yet we fail when we come to the practical implementations & execution. Talk big, actions... where?

Hopefully enough Malays will get up & give another a chance. & if those others fail us again, swiftly throw them out with vengeance & with ruthless revenge & without mercy! Hang them up by their balls for everyone to see.

and... Justice for all!
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written by clting08, June 05, 2008 14:22:33
Why nobody so call UMNO loyalist make a police report that BN lied to us on their menifesto saying price of oil will never be increased until end of this year???
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written by Spear Bing, June 05, 2008 14:23:26
Dear RPK,

After reading the comments of MT bloggers over your article, the immediate stream of thoughts that wants to be expressed in words would be:
How taciturn, how habitually silent and reserve we are that for 33 years we fail to rise up to petition for Petronas to be accountable and answerable to the people or to the Parliament. Tan Sri Hassan or the PM are not heavenly angels to be failure-proof. They are just mortal beings like us. So let trillions of ringgit be beholden unto them?

Just could not understand Malaysian Rakyat. And its true what RPK surmised - that as long as anything that does not hurt our pockets, we choose to be visual and audio impaired.

Malaysians - the real pathetic and timid species.

Sigh.................
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written by mountainking, June 05, 2008 14:26:51
Conan chung wrote:

"But let us remind ourselves that we too are the victim of the racial ploys. Also let us remember the fact that we have 'no' choice. There were no Pakatan Rakyat or something as powerful then. It was no competition when times were good and everyone is in paradise. Now that paradise is gone, we wake up to see a failing state"

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all these while, the older generations have choices. they have oppositions then but is the majority of the malaysians who didn't want to rock the boat. my parents told me that is okie to let BN rule as they will bring development. is just that you guys did not believe an underdog have more brains than the BN. you are afraid to let go your comfort vote to the opposition to prove to the nation. i have to respect the oppositions all these years despite getting lil support or bloody used by rakyat as barking dogs, they still continue to serve and empty their pockets so that they could continue to struggle for the ppl. we those from those generations should feel ashamed of our selfish acts for bloody using the opposition; eg. just to give them some votes but not allowed to rule the country.

how can a single party rule the country for 50 years? it does not take a genius to understand tat , perhaps we have to blame ourselves for being stupid stupid stupid all these years.

i can see my mum in her expression that she finally realised she and the rest have done wrong for the past years except the recent GE.

just admit it, you older folks. to admit wrong is a good beginning to educate your family members to do the right thing.
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written by Malaysia Digest, June 05, 2008 14:29:06

PM Official Website hacked

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written by tanahairku2, June 05, 2008 14:32:09
Yes, let us all demand our MPs to demand Petronas to make its account public, detailing how its billions have been spent in the last 43 years. Before the next sitting, let us all SMS our MPs to bring this up in Parliament. BTW can someone enlighten how Petronas is under the control of one man?
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written by Functioner, June 05, 2008 14:34:51
Do you all why the Supreme Cabinet agreed to increase petrol to RM2.70? They did not disclose what they intend to do wt the savings, they will buy more Submarines and C4.
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written by puchonguy, June 05, 2008 14:41:09
That was the one PKR promise that bothered me before the election -- that the petrol price would be reduced. We'll run out of petrol soon.

We need to have a good public transportation system and incentives for alternative-fueled vehicles.
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written by Bigjoe99, June 05, 2008 14:41:55
Singaporean has to still pay nearly 2X more and yet while they are hurt, they are not angry. Thais who have a messed up democracy have to pay more and yet are not angry. Philippines have to pay more but yet do they get angry either?

Our situation is like a disfunctional family where old wounds are covered up until the hurt becomes too much. All those times the corrupt stole, they messed up projects, victim of crimes, poor education, bailout of messed up companies and financial system etc. All those things is what make the underlying anger.

If Malaysian makes as much as Singaporean or Hong Kong or Korea or Taiwanese, the anger would not be there, unhappy maybe, but not anger.Its for all the messed up, delayed reforms, broken promises...
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written by tattooing, June 05, 2008 14:42:15
first of all...i think we can't do much about the fuel hike...cause is due too the global price!

but at least govt need to give us a time frame on the fuel hike!
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written by MasterBlaster, June 05, 2008 14:42:43
God Giveth God Taketh Away.

But these idiots in the goverments take and take and take somemore just about anything that's supposedly could ease the people.

Mana bole tahan!!!
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written by Beezee_Beezee, June 05, 2008 14:47:55
For Birdbrain claimed on SABAHan and SARAWAKIanto be blamed is not correct. Most of the Rakyat of the TWO states voted for Pembangkang. The issue was the BN induced the PTI votes which is not the issue of establishing the RC to managed the Immigrant in SABAH as well as SARAWAK.

Most of our Minister or ex-Minister in the Cabinet since 1974 knows that the Gormen Siphon the Rakyat Money one way or the other there is nothing we could also do. It is now becoming 4th stage CANCER. There is no point to get angry over all this now. We should look-at or Help PR to toppled the Gormen NOW? Damaged has been done and WE want PR to ACT through our Leader DSAI with all the PRK, DAP, PAS, SUPP, LDP, UPKO dan lain lain lagi to kick the BN out of the Parliment. If they did not turn up continuously for 3 times kik them out completely. We will bear with PR on the increased in priced of all the utilities and will reduce it when the time is right within this year.
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written by Blackgiring, June 05, 2008 14:48:08
.....RPK you should investigate the real reason 'why' PETRONAS is directly under the PM control, there must be an answer to this multi-trillion question ?
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written by antiilluminati, June 05, 2008 14:51:10
RPK,
Can't really blame the RAKYAT. They have been blinded by the stupid education system.

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written by magickriver, June 05, 2008 14:51:24
Every kid dreams of fame and fortune beyond all limits. If a kid is extraordinarily gifted and becomes a billionaire rockstar, movie star, bestselling author, or founder of an innovative IT company like Apple, ****** or Yahoo! - he or she certainly deserves a big round of applause. However, in Malaysia, the few billionaires we hear about mostly acquired their riches by
cultivating political alliances. Mahathir had time only for tycoons like Anandakrishnan, Vincent Tan, and Francis Yeoh; Dollah left the wheeling and dealing to his son and son-in-law, but the same sort of unethical crony capitalism continued to flourish between 2004-2008. That has become Umno's trademark, no thanks to the Godfather of Godfathers, Daim Zainuddin. These days when I see Umno types in their ostentatious mansions and gas-guzzling limos,
respect and admiration are the last things I feel for them.
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written by Iliyas, June 05, 2008 14:54:12
Bro,the thought of trying to minimize one's anger is turning into devastation.The clock is ticking and I'm sure you'll agree the anger is boiling.The time is right,lets get on with the change of government.
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written by Concerned_Citizen, June 05, 2008 15:00:33
I doubt that the rakyat has choosen BN as the pemerintah. Not all, indeed more than 51 percent did not. Their victory is due to phantom voters, postal vote, millitary personnel that have two ids and lots more of evil jobs by the EC. This does not include those pendatang asing of sabah and sarawak. Don't forget also that the number of voter per seat is equal.
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written by Abajawi, June 05, 2008 15:04:45
Hi Pete,
I have a strong feeling that the petronas money has been used to bail out cronies of the BN/UMNO leaders' children's companies that went into tailspins during the Asian Financial crisis; it also went to finance the BN election campaigns although I have no proof here.

That's why petronas is being placed under the PM's office. To get to the bottom of this fiasco, the Pakatan Rakyat has to take control of the Federal govt. Then the PM's post will go to a PR man/woman. Then PR should bare all--tell us how the money has been used in the last 34 years. Leave no stone unturned. The BN scums should be sent to prison where they should be able to have a taste of their own medicine!

Oh by the way, they use the ISA not for the sake of national security, but because they are concerned with Barisal Nasional security. So much is at stake you know. When they lose power, they lose all the geese that lay the golden eggs.

Who among them go into politics to serve the rakyat? Most of them do so so because of the prospects of making tonnes of money; if the rakyat is helped, then it is a coincidence only!
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written by lobster, June 05, 2008 15:08:42
"written by cheemengwong, June 05, 2008 | 13:32:47
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e. I was caught in a traffic jam becos many Raayat need to save a few dollars yesterday.

f. I am very very angry that our PM can just lie to the Raayat with a straight face professing that he is practising Islam Hadhari.
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written by ToeJam, June 05, 2008 15:11:47
Do anything. Kill detainees in the police lockup. Detain political opponents and dissidents without trial on the lame excuse that they are threats to national security. Spend billions of the nation’s money on white elephants and monumental projects. Siphon out billions of Ringgit in ‘commissions’ from government projects and stash the money in numbered Swiss bank accounts. Kill of all the Rainforests. Mess up the environment. In short, do whatever you want. Just don’t put any strain on my pocket. The instant you touch my pocket, then, and only then, will I rise up in anger. That is the mentality of the Malaysian Rakyat.



When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent; I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent; I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out; I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent; I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.


When the police killed detainees in the police lockup.
I remained silent; I was not a detainee.

When the police detained political opponents and dissidents without trial on the lame excuse that they are threats to national security.
I remained silent; I was not a political opponent nor dissident

When our govt spent billions of the nation’s money on white elephants and monumental projects.
I remained silent; I was proud to have monumental projects in my country

When our govt siphon out billions of Ringgit in ‘commissions’ from government projects and stash the money in numbered Swiss bank accounts.
I remained silent; I was too busy making money for my family


When our Datuks and businessmen kill of all the Rainforests. Mess up the environment.
I remained silent; I don’t live in the rainforests

When our leaders finally put increased the price of fuel and inflicted a super heavy strain on my pocket, it’s too late for me to cry and rise up in anger.
Because the national problem is now far too big to solve and I am a Malaysian Rakyat
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written by skc, June 05, 2008 15:14:51
Dar YM RPK,
For once I do not agreed with you, who says the government (in this case the PM) has no choice but to increase the petrol prices ?
To understand this we must first understand why world oil prices has gone up.
To cut a long story short, it is mainly the US economy that is driving the world oil prices up.
Why ? US suffer a mortgage loan crisis, US dollars drop, and continue to drop.
Now if you are holding millions or billions of it what do you do ? To get out of USD ? How ?
By selling on the open market ? No, that would cause it to drop further and faster then you can sell it.
Totally out of control, so you run and buy commodity, and one of the most stable one happens to be crude oil.
So now you can throw all your USD in one lump sum and the currency market would not be affected by your action.
You people here in MT getting the idea why world oil price is going up ?
Now look at Malaysia, how much does it cost to produce a barrel of crude oil ?
The oil belongs to Malaysia, all Malaysian. For our own consumption it should not be base on world market prices but
should be base on cost of production.
I am not only angry but fumming mad over this type of bullshit by the BN government.
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written by dperantauan, June 05, 2008 15:27:01
hope ini bukan perang saraf yang d rancang dengan rapi. mengapikan rakyat dgn kenaikan bahan api. d curah minyak kala api merah menyala. terperangkaplah dalam skrip lakunan arahan sutradara.

minyak dan amarah rakyat:

http://dperantauan.typepad.com/dperantauan/2008/06/minyak-dan-amar.html
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written by skc, June 05, 2008 15:31:20
This move will drive inflation through the roof, Malaysia currency will drop vs. other major currency. Malaysia share market will drop, and foreign investor will run. Jobs market will shrink, people will be out of jobs, pay or salary will also not increase due to smaller job market. Will someone please explain to me how is this good for Malaysia ?
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written by Jin bedil, June 05, 2008 15:42:27
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The best part is: Rebate will be post out via Pos Malaysia (the potman always lost the letter)
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written by xgovtservant, June 05, 2008 15:43:31
Petronas does not have any money. All have been spent on bailing out the banks, failed industries, KLCC, maga projects such as the KLIA, F1, cyberjaya, Putra Jaya, buying aeroplanes for MAS and the petrol subsidy for the last 5-7 years, The Petronasis over staffed and they are paid heafty salaries, allowances and bonuses, unlike the counterparts in the government.Our advicer to Petronas, TDM, should know better. What about Anuar, he was the DPM and knowa the working and worth of Petronas?
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written by danchung, June 05, 2008 15:51:50
"written by cheemengwong, June 05, 2008 | 13:32:47
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e. I was caught in a traffic jam becos many Raayat need to save a few dollars yesterday.

f. I am very very angry that our PM can just lie to the Raayat with a straight face professing that he is practising Islam Hadhari.
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Come on hadhari is already declare HARAM in selangor ...in fact hadhari make us confuse actually what is hadhari... as far as i know and heard is
H - Hanya
A - Ahli
D - Dalam UMNO
H - Hajat
A - Akan
R - Restu
I - Islam
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written by danchung, June 05, 2008 15:55:20
In fact YM i am trying my level best not to angry
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written by aryn, June 05, 2008 16:00:01
Apologise to orang Semenanjung? Sabah and Sarawak?
If you in Semenanjung that smart, you people alone could topple BN without Sabah and Sarawak but you have no guts. Not then, not on March 8. We in Sabah had toppled BN in five general elections.

How many time we told you orang Malaya (especially Birdybrain) that the illegal immigrants under Project IC, courtesy of Umno, offset the Sabah general election last March 8. Their numbers have increased over the last 15 years so you can imagine what's the impact going to be in future elections in Sabah and Malaysia as a whole.

In addition to that, the opposition parties of DAP, PKR and PAS as well as three local parties in Sabah were all contesting each other in almost all the state and parliamentary seats. They split the votes.

You orang Malaya Malaysians should help Sabah solve the Project IC illegal immigrants so we genuine Malaysians can take back our country and the government.

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written by cwy, June 05, 2008 16:04:00
YES!
We have to be angry with ourselves!
I am angry with myself to be a patriotic citizen of Malaysia!
I'm angry with myself because I can't help those hardcore poor who own no car or motorcycle, and yet have to pay bigger price for a living as a result of the extraordinary perk of petrol price!
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written by Birdbrain, June 05, 2008 16:10:10
written by aryn, June 05, 2008 | 16:00:01

You orang Malaya Malaysians should help Sabah solve the Project IC illegal immigrants so we genuine Malaysians can take back our country and the government.


While YB Lim Kit Siang from Peninsular Malaysia propose to set a RCI for Project IC, one Candy guy or Cunning....oops, Kiandee try to be to be a hero!

Like I say, the leader that you have elected is a corrupt!

Cuckoo!
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written by Frankfurtguy, June 05, 2008 16:12:43
I am sad that the BN leaders are blinded by money. They totally forgot about their job to represent people and to protect rakyat.

Our country petrol production is near the end. All the money earned before this is gone with the wind. Even if you manage to nail down the culpritsss, the money is gone anyway.

Pakatan Rakyat, please make your move now. This is the best moment to take over!!

Now the rakyat have to suffer.
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written by Wudan, June 05, 2008 16:13:09
Petronas did issue several billions worth of bonds back in early 2000 (i stand corrected as i am writing from memory). The bondholders have access to Petronas financial situation. You have to otherwise nobody will invest in those bonds.

I think the Gvernment could have done better in its PR exercise. Maybe they should get Tan Sri Hassan Merican to explain the current challenges Petronas is facing in their attempt to maintain/increase our country oil reserves. I understand that Tan Sri have submitted a very honest report to the Cabinet.

The past, well, is the past and what we are heading into is unprecedented in the 21st Century.

Oh! By the way, get those ISIS fellas to explain to Pak Lah, oil price is not the cause but merely the symtoms. I hope he have not chopped down the California Red Oaks Reserves.
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written by Dominic, June 05, 2008 16:13:15
To say that AAB got no choice but to go along with the increase is just a lame excuse. Why must the increase be so abrupt ? Cant we wait for a little longer ? What, if theres an improvement by then,ie Aug08 or Sep08 . Even if theres a drop in price of oil,we are not going to pay less for our petrol . Malaysia is an oil producing and not a importing country . Yet,out of the blue,one woke up to hear a 40% increase. Nightmare of the worst kind ! Better team up with Ah Long to extort some cash from the wealthy politicians !
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written by Jan, June 05, 2008 16:15:23
It's clear as daylight the govt has something to hide when they refuse to show you the petronas account. Somebody definitely has abused the account but we will only know when Pakatan takes over. Then again they might just shred the files before we can even get our hands on it.
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written by daliman, June 05, 2008 16:17:28
Lets look at some other things our country did not have to name a few ;

a) Once you start working, contribute a certain percentage of your earnings so does your employer, either married or single, you could owned a house, the least.
b) Some major businesses in related to the public, the public are the major shareholders and of coz the returns too.
c) Look at their health scheme, the public always get protected first, meaning they would not be burden with whatever costs incurred.
d) Look at their children’s education welfare, 50% fare for pupils using public transport, sponsored books, food etc. Some countries gave cash incentives directly to the public.

What have we deserved thus far?

Your EPF savings being withheld till you are 50/55yo and end of your working career, you deserve what the common laymen gets after considering the fluctuating business transacts. Your money even shrank or lost during the process, say that you just kept it safe in their hands. Not to mentioned the HUGE funds available.

Public related businesses were controlled by people related to the ruling party, families, cronies, etc, the people representing us, but the profit goes NOT to the people directly. Meaning, the public interest were not protected, handled, managed and given to the public at large, except for the fund. The public’s fund being used, the huge profits dripped along the annual reports figures. Heard how many public related companies dapat durian runtuh?

Look at our health scheme, any cases concerning major sickness such as surgery the least, you get the pinch. Going to private hospitals, you end up dead and broke. Our children’s welfare? And you have 5 schooling kids, and you earned RM2000 a month, your yearly budget got screwed up. Talk about living prudently? They don’t put themselves into the people’s shoes the least. They based on the per capita ratio that’s not practically derived. Where and how were this statistics came about?

Talking about Felda settlers, the lucky reap the profits due to the well manage professional team. We were happy for them after their hardship all along. Some were not so lucky as their land were gazetted at a price of RM20k per acre, and being given to the so called nominated developers and end up poorer. Worst still if you don’t have anything, just work for the rest of your lives and being chased by finance institutions, alongs, creditors etc. The police laugh at these cases and told us WHY-LAH? Lucky them. Now the gomen told us to live on budget?

Petronas? Those living under their umbrella will die to defend the mother company. They are the anak kandung, the rest ….anak tiri. At least we know now the per capita ratios came from. Who and where else can we seek help? That’s insulting our very own public’s intelligence.

THERE’s no bombs, no war, no public unrest, no demos like certain parties did, no breaking car windscreen, no amoks to the innocent public, no property losts, no racial fights, no nothing…!
Gomen just cant see the differences, can they?

Once then, a Muslim pious and Emir (king), Aminur Rashyid, walk at nite house to house listening the poor people’s suffering and plight, he walks alone. Next nite, he dropped pouches of dinars on their doorstep and left quietly without noticed. That’s then, a Muslim leader’s concerned.
Muslim leaders may want to upgrade their approaches towards their subjects in modern days…..sigh
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written by red1, June 05, 2008 16:17:51
Thats why lah.. already told you all... do not condemn Pak Lah and Pak Rir too much... see what happened now?

Next time when you all see them on the road, give them the thumbs up... make them feel better.

Redhuan D. Oon
http://padi-malaysia.blogspot.com/
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written by malsia1206, June 05, 2008 16:21:15
We need the whistleblowers from Petronas now. Those with a conscience. Unless the whole gang are accomplices in the setup.
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written by Lim Lim, June 05, 2008 16:35:34
simple,the rakyat hav been n still being screwed left n right,in n out all these while for the past donkey years!but it seems that we are the ones sought to be screwed!u may disagree n get angry, but the fact remains that umno/B.Natang is still in power......
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written by sjs, June 05, 2008 16:42:25
"It's important to realize that whenever you give power to politicians or bureaucrats, it will be used for what they want, not for what you want."-- Harry Browne
"cost of living is going up and the chance of living is going down.”
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written by LACOBRA, June 05, 2008 16:43:16
Non oil producers, big continent India just increased their fuel price to 10 percent only! We at 41 percent! So what is the market value? AP queen also happy as no disparity for the proposal to impose higher price for higher grade Octane Rating for the sale of her guzzler luxury cars.

Now Sabah join forces back to sheer arrogance. Did AAB dare increase before that and see if Sabah would have been fooled?
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written by grant, June 05, 2008 16:45:02
soon Msia can proudly compare themselves to north pole and south pole..even somalia will surpass Msia in terms of development and economy...
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written by jjireh99, June 05, 2008 16:49:24
Again we've said a trillion times, if the gomen is prudent in its spending having the rakyat in mind, Malaysia would have been and still is a very prosperous nation till today!! That's a fact! Whether Sabah and Sarawak voted BN in is not the issue since the bottom line is good stewardship of what God has given us, in this instance, is OIL!!!! Since Petronas coffers have been spent indiscriminately, who is to blame? Of course, oil prices are going up all over the world whether you are exported or importer. The fact of the matter is that who is the real and main culprit-Middle East, Arabs. That's why they can still print money like nobody's business. Didn't you all read, they even have diamond studded mercedes? The Arabs are basically robbing the whole world, owning and taking over failing businesses like Citibank and a whole lot of stuff. They have the money, from where? From the whole world, of course!!!
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written by Richfyf, June 05, 2008 16:51:30
The price increase of petrol will surely hit car owner, It might not be as much as voters but what will happen if because of the increase a few millions of the drivers cant afford to pay road tax any long, what that cost the govt to loose income, Well the police can summon these drivers I guess, but what if these millions can pay the summons I guess the police have to take them to court. As we know the court is already back log with cases pending more inportant cases like Mongolian murder case etc, even if the court have clear the cas I cant imagine how they going to clear lets say 2 or 3 million individual case. Also if after they were brought to court and like RPk the have no money to post bail emm how long to build extra prison cell to pull all these poor traffic offenders in Jail . Not to mention the hard ship they face that they cant even do their moral civic duty to the ruling government such as paying income-tax on time casue the have to use all the income they earn to pay the higher monthly electricity bill and rice. I hope such a situation wont happen casue it will just criple the country's economy and put so much strain on the government to solve these when they are facing bigger challenges who knows what the future will be, I for sure dont know where to get the extra money to fill my car with petrol till end of the month.
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written by mgeo, June 05, 2008 16:55:39
a. In another thread, Aneed Anand explained that the price of a barrel of crude (the portion that produces petrol and diesel, in what ratio?) = 46% of (USD130 x RM3.3) / 159litres = RM 1.24. The price claimed to be the Malaysian market price is RM2.70 subsidy RM0.30 for petrol, RM2.58 RM0.30? for diesel.

b. Ex-oil man Idris Jala stated that as seen from (1) no queues usually at petrol pumps and (2) no lack of work for oil tankers (througout the world), there is no shortage, only speculation by hedge funds. He quoted Enron as an "oil" company that made huge profits without actual involvement in the industry.

c. Who is subsidising who?
- Govt. expenses: consumer fuel subsidy (import cost minus sale price), cheap gas for Japan and IPPs, cheap loans to toll operators, non-toll road maintenance.
- Govt. income: Oil exports, car purchase tax, road tax.
- Income for govt.-friendly enterpreuners: IPPs (including power for highway lights, above-market cost of power?), toll operators, road contractors, Proton, AP kings, etc.
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written by defendermalaysia, June 05, 2008 16:55:55
Dear All Malaysian,
Do you remember that I remind all of you before and during the general election 08, that even though if you vote or do not vote for BN, the gov will definate naik harga. Apa lanchiau pun naik, minyak naik, tenaga naik, ayer naik, tepong naik, texsi naik, lorry naik, transport naik,ayam naik,ikan naik semua naik. So in order to teach BN a lesson, we should all vote for opposition whether it is PAS, DAP, or PKR. But there are still those voters who still trust BN and so PR could not form the federal gov. The picture will be different if Anwar form the gov. For those who vote for BN, you deserve it. For those who vote for opposition,at least we teach them a lesson and voice our frustration in the ballot box. Now we are hoping that Anwar to form the next gov and revert back the previous price and make petronas report their profit to Parliment instead on now reporting to PM. Where the money goes, nobody know except to those saitan pockets.
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written by prabalat, June 05, 2008 17:23:18
to all readers
great comments and stuffs but hv a serious discussion during teh tarik
log in thought provoking comments indulge in selfpity or best......... wait for god's judgementday
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written by Batista, June 05, 2008 17:35:52
YM Raja Petra,
For the first time ever, you are talking nonsense!
Please choose which ministry to put this Petronas under? The Minister will be the richest guy, man! So, put the Petronas under direct report to PM is a great idea provided if we have a great, great PM.
Then, you said our beloved Pak Lah is innocent after hundreds of lies and Rakyat can't angry of him?! That's is the price of being PM. If there's is no price or risk, all of us here want to be a PM!
Sorry YM Raja, this time i can't accept your comment..
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written by Kritz, June 05, 2008 17:39:26
INTERNATIONAL FUEL QUALITY CENTRE RANKS MALAYSIA 78TH ON SULPHUR LIMITS IN DIESEL

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NEW YORK, May 30 (NNN-BERNAMA) -- US-based International Fuel Quality Centre (IFQC), which has graded the world's 100 countries according to the sulphur limits in diesel used by them, ranked Malaysia 78th in the list, trailing behind several Asian countries.

The IFQC, which specialises in transportation fuel quality-related issues, is acknowledged industry-wide as a premier, accurate and non-biased source for information to facilitate strategic planning and internal education.

For 10 years, the centre has been providing industry and government bodies with critical fuel quality information to help them achieve their respective organisational goals for a cleaner environment.

http://www.namnewsnetwork.org/v2/read.php?id=49800

The quality of diesel fuel has an impact on the exhaust emissions primarily nitrogen oxide (NOx) and particulate matter (PM). The use of better diesel fuel qualities, especially with lower sulphur content, improves the functioning of after treatment equipment and reduces emissions from existing vehicles.

From January 1, 2005, a maximum sulphur content of 50 ppm is allowed for diesel fuels within the whole EU. From this date there is also a requirement that sufficient quantities of diesel fuel with a sulphur content of 10 ppm should be available. From January 2009 only fuels with a sulphur content of 10 ppm should be provided within the whole EU. By then the sulphur content in diesel and petrol fuels used for transport will be harmonised in the EU.

http://www.volvo.com/group/glo...uality.htm

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written by Eskay Lim, June 05, 2008 17:41:40
I am really damn mad with Bodowi, not because of the increase in petrol price but because he keeps comparing Malaysia with other countries.
He compares the price of petrol & gas with countries that are oil importing countries.
Why can't he compare our petrol price with an oil exporting country?, for a change.
Thinks all Malaysians bodoh, with bird brains like him.
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written by kennyeu, June 05, 2008 17:48:39
I absolutely agree that petrol prices will have to be readjusted to the changes in the market prices for crude oil. I'm not angry at the petrol hike. I'm furious about the way it was done.

How can you make a late afternoon announcement about a 40% increase in petrol price completely out of the blue and tell the people that this new price will be in effect by midnight the same day? Worse than this, the government had only just reported a couple of days earlier that they were working on a price revision for the subsidy which they said would take effect in August. So they firstly lied and secondly was most dishourable in tricking everyone with a surprise price change. At least give the people a couple of weeks advance notice. At least show some respect to the Rakyat instead of being a sneaky bastard about it.

It is all unnecessary. Whatever increases in the subsidies that are given, Petronas makes even more. Malaysia is a net exporter of oil. We sell more than we use so even if the governments spends more, they earn even more. What the rush of increasing the prices? There's a right way to do things and there are the wrong way. BN knows only the wrong way.

Worse than this, not only have Malaysia just suffered from a food price hike but the Government chooses this time to do a drastic petrol price increase, an electrical price increase and additional taxes on palm oil exports. Why the desperation for money in a Country already so rich compared to our neighbours? Why hit the people from all sides, all at once. Are we the enemy? Do we need to be punished for something?

As I said, I'm not angry at the petrol price increase but I'm furious about how things are being done.
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written by panca, June 05, 2008 18:11:30
Pete, exactly we are not angry with AAB, this is a world phenomena but my similar question has been where is the money from Petronas?????

The subsidies could have come as a source for timely cushioning effect from a government with strong financial standing! BUT WHERE IS THE MONEY FROM PETRONAS???
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written by lab76820, June 05, 2008 18:12:08
Greetings Uncle Pete,

Good question. Why we didnt ask a single question about the $$$$? Simple! We were veryx2 bz over the last 3 decades arguing over the differences of colours & religions of M'sians. We've been pawns in the chess game played by our elected politicians. We are too immersed & determined to find faults (even the slightest) against one another, too petty in differentiating each other rather than agreeing to the fact that our differences makes us unique & beatiful. A sad way to realise all that we've missed out, all the wrongs that we could have righted long ago. Too bad, our children will bear the consequences of their forefathers actions and inactions. The long & ardous journeys is right ahead. God Bless Us All.
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written by Catharsis, June 05, 2008 18:37:27
...................We just continued voting for Barisan Nasional over 34 years since 1974 without a care in the world. We should be angry with ourselves for the increase in the price of petrol, not with Abdullah Ahmad Badawi.............

By the way could you also define "WE"..........Aren't "WE" = THE MAJORITY OF THE MALAY FOLKS, THE SUPPORTERS OF MCA, MIC AND GERAKAN. "WE" DEFINITELY DO NOT REFER TO THOSE UNGRATEFUL WHO WERE "GIVEN" CITIZENSHIPS BUT VOTED FOR THE OPPOSITION.

NOW CAN WE CONCLUDE THAT THESE UNGRATEFUL ARE INDEED LOYAL MALAYSIANS WHO LOVE MALAYSIA SO MUCH THAT THEY VOTED FOR THE OPPOSITION AS THE CHECK AND BALANCE MECHANISM

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written by Kedahan, June 05, 2008 18:46:45
now that all are angry, it is a very good thing.

let us turn this ANGER iNTO ACTION to put PAKATAN RAKYAT iNTO POWER and allow them to make changes that DEMANDS ACCOUNTABiLiTY, especially from PETRONAS to ensure money earned from oil is well spent to boost the country's economy and benefit all Malaysians. so that fuel price hikes in line with global trends does not hurt our pockets as much.

NO MORE SECRETLY SiPHONiNG MONEY FROM MALAYSiA!!! Money made in Malaysia, Stays in Malaysia!!!
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written by amjoem, June 05, 2008 18:53:06
Dear YM Bapa Bangsa Malaysia,
You are God's special gift to Malaysia. You are the redeemer for Malaysia. If not for you YM RPK, DSAI or LKS, none of the tricks of "UMNO, TDM, AAB, Najib", and all the corupted UMNO leaders will ever be revealed.
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written by kuan, June 05, 2008 18:56:14
Yes! Why don't they compare us with the net oil exporter countries.
Brunei's petrol price is only 0.51 cents per litre!
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written by Kedahan, June 05, 2008 18:56:49
Petronas, the real Money Politics, Malaysia's DiCTATORSHiP.

that's how Dr.M maintained his DiCTATORSHiP over the country for so long, have absolute control over the country's coffers.
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written by megahyper, June 05, 2008 19:07:15
Single handedly they pushed thousands from middle class to lower classes, but I still stare awed at KLCC, putrajaya and cyberjaya. Awed that so much fund channeled to useless project but later heave relief, at least i dont have to stare at a crooked bridge.

And the mastermind of white elephants, QUIT before Afta, WTO, oil surge and Tsunami kicks in, knowing full well that the day of reckoning would hit sooner than later.

Installed a punchbag before he quit, but later claimed it is not even worth being as a punchbag.

He, who shed tears because he has to quit.
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written by jchew, June 05, 2008 19:10:11
C4 gang, mahathir gang, ABD's gang, Kris gamg, M.ddin gang, MCA gang, MIC gang, Gerakan gang and so on.... are all desperate politicians and all want to take charge because of all are corrupted and will do whatever it takes to cover their acts. NEVER let them!
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written by teohpg, June 05, 2008 19:14:57
Now where is those pandai-pandai pakcik who made police report about PR state goverment never keep their promise????

Pls go report la goverment didn't heed their promise of not increase fuel price. Blardy cronies, celaka anak haram, tak makan babi tapi bau semacam!
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written by teohpg, June 05, 2008 19:20:26
I just feel like slapping the whole UMNO people face !!! SLAPPPPPPPP THEMM!!!!
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written by Goostee, June 05, 2008 19:25:11
RPK,
I can no longer think straight because of my burning anger. The only thing I can see is that everyone should act to demonstrate the fury of each's anger. In this regard, I would suggest that everyone uses the bus (not even the LRT as its fares are still exorbitant) to go to work. Lets jam the bus stops and be late to work. Lest, the policy makers will never understand our problems. I believe we'll see some results after two weeks !!!
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written by bigiblue, June 05, 2008 19:30:16
We, I am included in this as well, are guilty of not taking note, caring, demanding and exercising accountability.... some time ago I raised these very issues and a wise friend of mine said this..." we are a fotunate lot... people know but choose to be blind ... as long as the belly does not suffer hunger; the ppl in power and the citizens who kept them there will not worry..."
I take note, I am awake
well reality is setting in with a loud thump..hunger... inconveniences...corruption blatent while we are told to change lifestyles the very ppl in power are in air-conditioned homes, travellling by jet, do not use public transport and have police escort so they don suffer the jams and have sound sleep in office.... change for teh better times is here ... watch out u preachers, sleepers, dreamers...
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written by ukaymelaka, June 05, 2008 19:31:56
Dear RPK,
You are spot on. Most Malaysians only worry about what hurts them directly, especially if it involves their pocket. We deserve the govt and the leaders we have. So, my fellow Malaysians, unless you have the courage to vote for change the current status quo will remain. Even the Americans who normally elect morons to be their president are starting to think differently; they have put up an African-American as the democratic candidate for the presidential election in November. And by the way our PM's wife has made the Green pledge to conserve electricity....I was of the opinion that educated people did this all the time. I have been doing this since I wAs a kid.Ah well...............(sigh)
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written by londondude, June 05, 2008 19:34:27
excellant article in the style of Mark Anthony's "friends,Romans,Countryman" speech following the stabbing of Ceasar. Thank you.
I agree with you that we should be thinking about broader issues to try to formulate broader solutions rather than get boged down and thinking that changing a leader or government is the answer to all our problems
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written by MalaysiaBaru, June 05, 2008 19:34:53
RPK Sir,

I agree with you 100% that Bodohwee is not to be blamed for the petrol price increase (eventhough Petronas ONLY reports to him) because most of the time he doesn't know what the hell is going on!!! smilies/grin.gif

Anyway, you did not mention the a**hole that we should be most angry about!

A lot of Malaysians had been fooled by the so-called development that they see during the reign of Tew MamakP*K*M*k

MamakPxKxMxk should not be credited with the so-called development that we see today. Actually, Malaysia's CRUDE OIL is the reason behind the so-called development claimed by him. It was just a stroke of luck that plenty of oil fields were discovered during his reign and our country suddenly had a windfall from the export of this 'black gold'.

Anybody else could have done it...and achieve much more than what he did!

Just look take a look at other oil producing countries like the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Bahrain, Norway and Canada and we'll be put to shame. Want more comparisons? Just look to the south at our little red dot neighbour: They started at the same footing with Malaysia but had no natural resources, they have long achieved the status of a Developed Nation while we are still struggling to stay on track to achieve 2020!
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written by LJN, June 05, 2008 19:54:12
Without Sarawak, Sabah and Terengganu, there will be no Petronas. Period. Yet, look how they treat the rakyat of these 3 states, among the poorest in the nation. It makes me super angry that the funds were wasted away in mega projects and overseas accounts of the politicians and their businessmen cronies. What great shame, and what waste!
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written by lynn, June 05, 2008 19:57:12
RPK, We need whistleblowers from Petronas to give us an inside peek of its accounts. This is a tough call 'cos all of them are exceptionally well-paid, high bonuses year in year out while we all scream bloody murder over this shocking 78 sen hike, I doubt any of them will leak, well, perhaps at a price.
We need to make sure Anwar will open up ALL the accounts of Petronas since 1974 when he ascends the "throne"! Will you, Anwar?
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written by tamansegar, June 05, 2008 19:58:54
No point to be angry. Just vote the BN out when the next election come. All the BN leader are like the great white shark and is time now to show them the door and kick them out.
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written by freespeecher, June 05, 2008 20:16:15
"Rakyats' Money" --> Set up Petronas ---> RM2 Trillion profit earned --> dunno where ???? ---> now Rakyat bear the cost !!

hmmm...doesn't make sense to me !!!
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written by sarawakian, June 05, 2008 20:23:29
The East Malaysians should instead apologies to us Peninsular ppl that they have made a stupid mistake in believing Barisan Nasional will be there to help them whenever they are in trouble.


Birdbrain you truly are.

Practising blame technology is your only ability. why should WE apologise? we have to pay more for fuel too.

unlike you "Peninsular ppl", 90% of the people here depend on local newspapers, TV and radio for news as they have no internet. can you blame if a large percentage of that 90% voted BN?

right now, we need to know how to live with rising fuel costs. what we need to work on is how to let the RAKYAT have control over Petronas as suggested by the original article.

anyone ever thought that Badawi may have DELIBERATELY raised fuel prices to spur the RAKYAT to throw out the BN??

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written by Rozlan, June 05, 2008 20:30:31
Yes, let us get angry about all that. But let us not get angry about the increase in the price of petrol because this is just the end result of all the other things we should really be angry about but somehow are not. And let us not blame Abdullah Ahmad Badawi for increasing the price of petrol. It is not Abdullah Ahmad Badawi’s fault. He has no alternative but to increase the price of petrol. Instead, we should be angry with ourselves. We kept quiet over 34 years since 1974. We did not care what they did with Petronas over 34 years since 1974. We did not bother to ask what they are doing with the estimated RM2 trillion of Petronas’ money. We did not demand that the public or Parliament get to peep into Petronas’ accounts. We just continued voting for Barisan Nasional over 34 years since 1974 without a care in the world. We should be angry with ourselves for the increase in the price of petrol, not with Abdullah Ahmad Badawi.


Yess ..agreed.Except I dont blame myself..I had never voted for BN at all since I was eligible for voting..
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written by shiokguy, June 05, 2008 20:36:55
Non of your business
You cannot change anything


This is what my friends and relative said when I started to blog about Shiok Guy's Opinion. I want my views, opinion and suggestion to be heard, I want my freedom of expression. What wrong with do a little bit if thing for a better Malaysia?

I was shot down about my blog, I want to show them I will make it. May be become the Minister in the near future, who know! Right?

I have my political view


Link >> http://shiokguy.blogspot.com/search/label/Politic


Shiok Guy
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written by InEffective, June 05, 2008 20:44:30
Politicians don't depend on the rakyat's taxes for their needs and therefore don't feel accountable to the rakyat - they have the nation's oil wealth to finance all their requirements.

As long as they have the malaysia's races at each other's throats, 'their oil money' is safe. Nice strategy to seed racial fear and antagonism to the keep the malaysia's peoples occupied.

Whose oil money is it ?

Where is my Beef ?
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written by ralverd, June 05, 2008 20:46:41
True, we have so much more other things to get angry about. The crime rates, corruption etc. What about Altantuya?

http://www.ralverd.com
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written by penangite, June 05, 2008 20:58:19
BN = Barang Naik

PR = Price Reduction, not Per Rectum (as Anwar was accused of sodomy) - just a joke.

A new dawn for Malaysia. And UMNO Supreme Council Members are having a 2 day retreat in a hotel in Shah Alam now?!

WHAT HAPPENED TO 'CHANGE YOUR LIFESTYLE MOTTO'?

Dear cabinet members, please, for heaven sakes, practise what you preach before imposing on others.

In the end, the rakyat are the ones who suffer. You are rich, 2.70 is nothing for you, but for me it's a big difference!!!
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written by InEffective, June 05, 2008 21:06:52
Political Incest - on a national scale.
(camouflaged justification of 'subsidy' when cost-of-product is still under USD20/barrel)

Unprecedented rape of the financial security and well-being of Malaysian citizens.

And the head of every household is helpless to look after the interests of his children - but most likely will still take the easy way out and blame others to salvage his raped self-esteem and avoid what hurts inside. If you allows politicians to rape you, you deserve it.

Maybe someone should open up a therapy center for raped malaysian men. (sure will be a lucrative business).
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written by kupas, June 05, 2008 21:30:44
Ordinary people elected their representatives primarily to govern and manage the country for the benefit of the rakyat. This translate to making available necessary products and services at prices not burdening the rakyat. By the very act of increasing the petrol prices which would have domino effect, the so call leaders and decision makers had forgotten their primary role- take care of the raktyat.

Anyway why should they take care because any cost increase has got no impact on them as the public pays for all their expenses.

If they only can feel the pain the rakyat has to go through they would garner all their mental resources to come up with strategies and plans to overcome this fiasco. They had taken the easy way out – pass the buck to the rakyat.

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written by Taiping60, June 05, 2008 21:43:30
Nobody like to see price increase especially the petrol and it will have other consequences. We will see other prices increase so petrol and diesel prices increase is the the begining of inflation.

Since alot is due the world oil price increase and Malaysia is not exception. SO I can leave with it but why such as drastic increase this time.

LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I AM ANGRY ABOUT,

1) Public Transportation
We have one of the WORLD WORST public transportation system. Look at our MRT, among the last to build and still the worst of all. Where on earth can you find a MRT where one will have to get out, cross the road and re-enter into another station. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT SINCE NOW YOU HAVE THE MONEY.

2)JUDICIARY
SO MUCH TALK, SO MANY COMMISSIONS AND NOTHING HAPPEN. We shall remember and please do not think we are a bunch of fool.

3)EDUCATION SYSTEM
Look at the primary and secondary school. Those schools that are good are mainly due to the dedication of the pricipals and teachers. Majority sucks. One way to guage is to conduct a survey on the children and grand children of ministers, deputy ministers, parlimentary secretaries, chief ministers, state exco and top government servants. Find how many of them send their children to government schools and local government universities. Believe me even for government school, it wont be any school as it will be specially selected government schools where all the best teachers are located there.

4) Security
The number of breaking increasing. Car theft are rampant and now you have MAT Rempit joining in. Where are the police? Something has to be done. Revamp as recommendation by the Police commission or if the government planning to have another commissioin to do the study.

5) Petronas money

Petronas money belong to the nation. Use it to develop the country and help the poor. Be transparent. I like the idea of Petronas listed in Bursa Malaysia. At least Malaysian can own it and Petronas will have to be transparent.

6) Sell Proton and Kancil, AND get rid of APs.

Why burden Malaysia. Hyundai started almost the same time with Proton and see where are they now. See the two companies to the highest bidder and get rid of the APs. Who should a few gain from all Malaysians.


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written by PenangChap, June 05, 2008 21:49:18
Mass anti-fuel hike rally on July 12
Andrew Ong | Jun 5, 08 2:38pm (Malaysiakini.com.my)
Thousands of people would be mobilised for a mass protest against the shocking increase in fuel prices at the iconic KLCC Twin Towers on July 12.
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written by lamakawan, June 05, 2008 21:57:22
Not long ago, I have read in a magazine that highlighted on the economics of energy. It was reported that the cost of bringing a barrel of oil to market is about US$12.00 a barrel. That was the time when oil was around US$13.00 a barrel. Of course time value of money has changed. Imagine the price is now US$130.00 a barrel. How many times is the profit margin of crude oil now? And malaysia is producing about 600,000 barrels of oil a day. Multiply by US$130.00 and you will get US$78,000,000/- per day revenue. ie. approx. RM241,800,000/- per day. Say the costs would have gone up but certainly by not the same proportion as the prices have gone up.
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written by Richfyf, June 05, 2008 21:59:56
I will only agree to pay for market price of petrol if BN ministers do the following.
1) no private jet for travelling withing the country but travel by bus or train. Its our money paying for the jet fuel.
2) All ministers drive around in proton saga and not 4.8 liters suv
3) All MP stop getting car al
alowance and pay petrol like us from our hard earn salary.
and of casue STOP the CORRUPTION!!!!
If they cant walk the talk why should we accept what they shove down to our troath. Its the Rakyat who put them there in the first place have they forgotten it so fast???
Now the problem wont go away if we just write and complain on the internet. Tomorrow when we go to the petrol station we still have to incure extra $$$. So what can we do to put it right, Remember election have past we can't unelect them. Do we have to bare all this for another 4 years?? I wonder how many can last the next 4 months without defaulting in their morgage or installment.
Gandhi did a peaceful protest that eventually brought the whole british empire down.
Will someone out there be our saviour and lead a peaceful non violent protest without the lost of any blood. Can millions of us rise to the ocassion simulatniously.... I am not a criminal and neither do I want to be one. But if there is ever a call for JIHad casue something we value is treathen. Then the time is NOW. Cuase our liveyhood and our children livelyhood is under treat now. Will our protest of not paying ROad TAX and INCOME TAX hurt the government?? We only pay back all that is due when the govt revert back the price of petrol at yesterdays price.
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written by confuseus, June 05, 2008 22:30:46
Hey Pet, whaddya know… great minds think alike !!!
Yes, about time we remove all these subsidies.
Subsidy le*** to obscurity >incompetence> corruption> wastages>leakages> downhill, just like BN!!!
We can mitigate it by improving competency > efficiency > productivity> developed state !!
And it has to start with the PM and the Rulers… but sad to say, I do not think the PM has the political will and backbone to do anything than sleeps!!

The solution: Set up an OMBUDSMAN COMMITTEE !!

PR, your 100 days is coming, where is the Ombudsman????
Please act and react fast before Confuseus spills the bean!!!

KU LI - THE FATHER OF PETRONAS !!!!
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written by cheekhiaw, June 05, 2008 22:30:56
GANDHI LIVED AMONG THE MORE CIVILISED

Gandhi was successful because the people he dealt with were the more civilised of humankind.

Had he dealt with the kind of people that now rule places like Palestine he would have been killed like what his own people did to him.

In Malaysia he may just get blown away in a jungle patch.

Or bathing his blood in some vile's crooked knife.

xxx
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written by cynical cynic, June 05, 2008 22:40:50
Gosh, I am speechless. Just when I am about to be angry about the oil price, RPK hentam balik for us being selfish. Very good arguments there.

I suppose the underlying message is, we must take action whenever we see wrong things occuring in front of our eyes, not just when it hits our pocket. Like RPK rightly say, this is as a result of our 34 years of ignorance. So to a certain extent, we are also partly responsible for this.
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written by harrbm, June 05, 2008 22:42:46
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YES, I AM ANGRY.

WTF (pardon me mom) this blood-sucking thingy should not happened. Not in my beloved Malaysia and Malaysians alike. This is ridiculous. I wish I was born blind, deft and dumb so that I could be excused. But I am not.

My fellow Malaysians have been SLEEPING for eaons ! and they dare talk about Pak Lah sleeping on the job ! WTF !

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written by merchant222, June 05, 2008 23:03:14
The real culprits of robbing the country and rakyat are none other than the Mamak Family, Cabinet Members, and Umnoputras, including those from MCA & MIC of the previous administration.

But the best part about the whole thing is that the little "honey" they gave to the 50% so called lesser intelligent rakyat, or more during the ruling party's hey-days were the accessory in their crimes of plundering the wealth of the country. Now enriched, Mamak can go back to India. Perhaps they may want to go to Argentina to really retire in their 20,000 acres ranch to ride their horses.
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written by ahmisk, June 05, 2008 23:05:10
The first rule of politics is:

Its the ECONOMY, stupid! smilies/cool.gif
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written by micon02, June 05, 2008 23:21:14
We should be angry to one word - Capitalism
The Capitalists, The Big Tycoons of Petronas & Mega Projects in Malaysia

The owners
The directors
The shareholders
BN Umno
The ignorance voters that have been supporting BN in the past 34 years

A free market is unregulated with little government interference in matters of trade. Price agreements are made by buyers and sellers and the market dictates and demand. Competition polices may exist in a free market capitalist system.

AAB got no power to tell them what to do
BUT AAB must expose who are the capitalists to rakyat
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written by anak melaka, June 05, 2008 23:25:23
Dear Abang Pete,

Time after time you got it spot on and I salute you. Our emotions are being entrapped by the saying "The one who angers you controls you". Increment of fuel price may be inevitable and beyond a single man control. Abang Pete is right. If we were to be angry let us be angry for the right course. Asking 'why' we are angry is secondary to 'why not' we allow our angers to direct us in the positive manner. To come together to brainstorm and review the kind of politics our BN-led government is bullshitting. So let us focus our anger and convert our disappointments into cohesive energy not just to fix our self-blame, but also to reform the BN-led government policies while awaiting PR to turn the page of our history.
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written by James Loh, June 05, 2008 23:34:53
Totally agree with Raja Petra. We need to be angry with the government but be angry with the right thing. As of now, the fuel price hike is not Malaysia problem only but a global problem. We must not equate Malaysia with Venezuela and other oil producing countries. We don’t export as much as others. We should be angry with BN corruption for stealing all our money; hence, we don’t have money to wait out this global problem. If the government would have utilizing the money properly such as investing the money on public transportation system or requiring Proton on developing electric car or building up the business sector. If the government would have done all these we might have not be hit hard with the global problem.

It’s corrupted and unqualified people in the government that worsen our current problems. Indirectly, it’s us that voted for them. Mahathir is part of the problem too.

InsyaAllah the problem will not be worsen.
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written by ImranJ78, June 05, 2008 23:50:57
Firstly, I think Malaysia will have to contend with the world market oil price eventually if we intend to be competitive in the world market. The fuel subsidies saps us of our competitiveness and we should be paying market price. with maybe some help to those with low income. However, I do disagree with the manner and abruptness of the subsidy reduction. It could have done with more thought and in a gradual manner to soften the `blow' to the people.

I am in the oil industry so maybe I can correct a `myth' that Malaysia is a big oil exporter. Yes we are a significant gas exporting country but we are actually a tiny oil exporting nation compared to others. And while we are an oil and gas exporting country many do not know that TODAY we have to import in diesel and petrol for our own consumption! So I do not think we should be `proud' and feel entitled to cheap fuel just because we export oil and gas. We should instead focus on sustainability. The world will probably not even skip a beat if we stop exporting oil tomorrow!

And to those who think that Petronas staff have hefty pay checks, pls also think again. Petronas staff are paid relatively low compared to other oil companies!

Lastly, 25% - 33% of the government's yearly budget comes from Petronas. Hence, think of it this way, 25% - 33% of everything the government provides to YOU is actually coming from Petronas. This includes healthcare cost, fuel subsidies, food subsidies, security services, infrastructure etc etc. So I disagree with ppl saying that the the rakyat do not gain from Petronas' profit.

I also disagree with calls to make Petronas a listed company. Why? Because this would mean we would also allow foreign entities to own part of our oil reserves. On the other hand, I agree with calls to make Petronas accounts more transparent to the people for as long as people understand that running an oil company should best be left to people who know the industry best.

I am called to correct many mis-conceptions I have read. But I am not defending the manner the fuel subsidies were reduced though. Better thought and gradual implementation should have been the way!
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written by peace lover, June 06, 2008 00:01:03
"He is not taking to heart the miseries that are being felt by the people when that should be something he tries to solve as a leader, Mukhriz told AFP."
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written by ImranJ78, June 05, 2008 | 23:50:57
....the manner the fuel subsidies were reduced though. Better thought and gradual implementation should have been the way!....
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MUKHRIZ AND IMRANJ78 ARE RIGHT IN THE ABOVE STATEMENTS. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE PRICE HIKE IS UNAVOIDABLE BUT DOING AWAY WITH THE SUBSIDY IS A MOVE THAT AAB TOOK WITHOUT GIVING MUCH THOUGHTS TO THE RAKYAT'S MISERIES. THIS IS WHAT ANGERS THE RAKYAT. TDM NEVER TOOK THIS SORT OF MOVE IN HIS 22-YEARS. WHY? BECAUSE HE ALWAYS MadE SURE THE RAKYAT SUFFER THE LEAST POSSIBLE. BUT AAB? HE IS A SUCH BIG SHAME TO MALAYSIA!! HE CANNOT MANAGE, ORGANISE AND LEad. HE HAS NO HEART AND CARE FOR THE RAKYAT. WE ALSO UNDERSTAND MANAGING A COUNTRY IS NO EASY JOB; BUT LOOK AT THESE COUPLE OF YEARS, WHAT THE HECK HAS HE DONE FOR THE COUNTRY. HE PRACTICALLY RECKED NOT ONLY HIS PARTY BUT THE COUNTRY AS WELL. SO HE SHOULD LEAVE, THE SOONER THE BETTER. IT IS HIGHER TIME FOR SOMEONE WHO IS QUALIFIED AND CAPABLE TO LEad THE COUNTRY.
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written by Guess, June 06, 2008 00:09:58
the gov shld consider to have more rebate to Malaysia family, not only in transportation. And people base salary suppose to review and increase, especially those people income below 1.5K (correct me if I'm wrong of the range). Hope that PR, MTUC and NGO fight for those people.
I don't believe the hike of labour cost will affect the foreign investor, it is same theory that you hike the fuel price.
TODAY, We can't change the fuel price, but we want to CHANGE our rakyat Malaysia to have a better living standard and enjoy with their family and more value on riggit malaysia.
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written by bexe, June 06, 2008 00:18:37
Yes i agree that we are not insulated from the global petrol price increase. I also agree that Petronas should have better oversight and not left to one man, one adviser and the PM.
But the PM can certainly do better. To mitigate the rising cost of fuel,he could eliminate all AP's and reduce import duties for all cars and spare-parts. This will bring down the overall cost of transport for all Malaysians.
On the longer term, we should encourage the use of technology to increase our efficiency so as to counter inflationary pressures. We can encourage it by tax rebates and other forms of fiscal incentives.
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written by Richfyf, June 06, 2008 00:32:14
Since Petronas makes billions and only reports to PAK LAH with effect from today I will NEVER fill my petrol at PETRONAS, This is my protest against Pak Lah for putting the burden to us. I will only fill my petrol at Petronas station if pertonas uses its TRILLIONS of profit to sell to malaysian registered cars at reasonable price befitting the price of oil producing country, Or else Petronas can just sell its petrol a border town to singaporean and thai, Since singaporean are happy anyway to buy form petronas. I am malaysian and I am piss off with Petronas. I urge all my fellow malaysian dirvers to immediately stop going to petronas with immediate effect as a show of protest, I am doing my little but now. Hopefully there will be enough numbers of other malaysian drivers doing the same to show that we are ANGRY
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written by Richfyf, June 06, 2008 00:46:53
Oh yeah on second thought I will visit Petronas station but only to ease myself there,cause from now on Petronas wont get any of my hard earn money but then they do deserverd my sh*t and pee.....
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written by Motherchell, June 06, 2008 00:54:59
Thank you Pete for highlighting so much truth!--------CAN WE EVER FIND A MALAYSIAN Company in the "Global 200: The World's Best Corporate Reputations" list, compiled by US-based Reputation Institute.

NEVER !!!!!!!!!!! as LONG AND THE SPOON FEEDING IS PERENNIAL!!!!! AND RULED BY UMNO !!! Rights ????????? where were the UMNO supporters when BN stripped the powers of the Royals ???????? Where was their anger??? , when Petronas seemed the PM's Sdn Bhd--- where was their anger .


IN Fact ! the Malays lost more rights in the last 50 years due to all the SDN BHDs. Diesel meant for poor fishermen was squandered by the local UMNO MP or Assemblyman and his cronies !!!!!! Too much to put it into writing ..... HOPE THE SO CALLED NATIONALS REALIZE WHO THE ROBBERS ARE FAST !!!!!!
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written by Motherchell, June 06, 2008 00:56:54
APOLOGIES---- TYPO--- HOPE THE SO CALLED NATIONALS NATIONALISTS REALIZE WHO THE ROBBERS ARE FAST !!!!!!
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written by ZeroCool, June 06, 2008 01:08:23
Hi everyone, this is my “virgin” comment on Malaysia Today.

I’m more concerned on the after effect of the oil price increased. It will definitely affect or upset the entire value supply chain. The cost of the goods or services supply chain will increase as well. We consumer / RAKYAT will have to absorb the cost, if not the supplier will be out of business very soon.

Since the cost of goods sold is increased the consumer will spend wisely or change the lifestyle to limit the spending on unnecessary items. Eventually the supplier will also out of business if the situation did not improve within certain period of time. I’m sensing another giant economy “Tsunami” is on the way to our shore very soon.smilies/cry.gif

Personally, I agreed with RPK that the oil pricing increase in unavoidable due to global oil market. But I think the government should require more detail planning to minimize the effect on the supply chain before implement the exercise.
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written by archie, June 06, 2008 02:22:13
We do know that Petronas has been used as a piggy bank to bail out a failed state-owned bank, failed state-owned companies, and politically-connected individuals.
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written by iceman_taft, June 06, 2008 03:01:11
Hmmm....petrol 40% increase,beras 100% increase,electricity 18% increase....the normal everyday working nations wages 0% increase...sounds like a bad mastercard ad doesn't it?But the entertainment allowances of the ministers they want to increase.What gives?When did they become more important then the nation?Lest they forget if they keep bleeding the people like this pretty soon everything will run dry.Plus they forget that it was the People that put them there!!Yes,they lied.So,now is the time to learn from our folly and not trust BN/UMNO anymore.They have proven how corrupt they are.A stand has to be taken.a line drawn and change for the better has to established.So how are we the people going to do this?
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written by doggone, June 06, 2008 03:25:44

Should we be angry at the right things?

You work your ass off 14 hours a day and still find it very difficult to survive. Frustrated, you trod out of the metal workshop in your metal boots to let of steam. You find AssLah sleeping under a tree in his hand woven batik. You look around and no one is in the vicinity. Your blood pressure shoots up because the sleeping subject is the cause of your frustration and anger.

HOW MANY WILL JUST SPIT ON THE SLEEPING WOVEN BATIK AND WALK AWAY, and

HOW MANY WILL SPIT ON THE SLEEPING WOVEN BATIK AND THEN KICK HIS ASS TWICE (ONE FOR FLIPPING AND THE OTHER FOR FLOPPING)?

2 cents rebate for the latter.


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written by SamBall, June 06, 2008 04:09:30
Raja, stopped reading your article after this header

"Without Petronas this country would be dead"

Sorry don't believe this nonsense. This country would probably be better managed by its people without the oil curse. The easy money and oil / gas is what brought about some of the stupidest things in Msian.

Just look at Singapore la, and you will understand.

Every country with easy money (oil/gas whatever) is cursed. Especially if governed by greedy (UMNO) racist politicians. Wars are fought over this drug.

Go read your history books, boys & girls. And keep reading cos there will be lots more coming...

Follow the money, and you will understand the story better... 600B MYR; a long story of greed and corruption.
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written by cahaya, June 06, 2008 06:46:35
PKR wrote
PETRONAS should be turned into a pubic listed company.

That may be difficult due to its complexity.
Petroliam Nasional Berhad Company or PETRONAS has subsidiaries engaged in exploration and production and refining and sales ventures in 33 countries, primarily in Asia and Africa.

However two subsidiaries are already listed on KLSE.
PETRONAS has already successfully floated two wholly owned subsidiaries in the oil and gas sectors.

Petronas Dagangan Berhad (PDB) was listed on the main board of the Kuala Lumpur Stock Exchange (KLSE) on 8 March 1994. The company is the principal domestic marketing arm of Petronas. PDB markets a wide range of high quality liquefied petroleum gas (LPG), aviation fuel, kerosene, diesel, fuel oil, bunker fuel, lubricants, natural gas for vehicle (NGV) and asphalt.

Financial Highlights of Petronas Dagangan quarterly results from Dec. 2006 to Dec. 2007 are available at
http://www.mymesra.com.my/inde...fh&tpt=mmc

Petronas Gas Berhad (PGB) was the second subsidiary of Petronas to be listed on the Kuala Lumpur Stock Exchange. The company's shares which made its debut on the KLSE on 4 September 1995 generated a total of RM22.67 billion, creating history as the largest fund attracted by a company seeking a listing on the KLSE to date. PGB is a throughput company providing gas-processing and transmission services to Petronas and its customers.

PKR wrote
According to the Petroleum Development Act 1974, Petronas need not make its accounts public. Petronas need not even report to anyone, not even to Parliament. Petronas reports to just one man, the Prime Minister of Malaysia.


Actually, more than one. At least three including PM.
Two Key People in Petronas are:
President and CEO: Tan Sri Dato' Mohamed Hassan Marican
VP Corporate Planning and Development and Director: Datuk Nasarudin bin Mohammed Idris

Petronas does make public its group results.
Summary of Petronas Group Results for the last three years is available at:
http://www.petronas.com.my/int...Y2007.pdf
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written by pakasia, June 06, 2008 07:18:36
The timing of the announcement for price increase was not consistent to the promises made by PM and DPM.

Some say this is a very clumsy management, I said otherwise and it is a conspiracy. Why PM announced the news at 5PM right after Bursa trading was closed? People at the top must have cashed out a week or two ago leaving all of us die in the stock market.

No doubt petrol is a global issue but I felt cheated by the people I voted!
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written by mystique, June 06, 2008 07:25:10
TO CAHAYA:

dude, if you want to paste a link. PLEASE paste the complete link next time. I've been searching up and down petronas's site and i do not see their FINANCIAL STATEMENTS published anywhere!

and plus your comments on the 2 subsidiaries does not really give a picture of their GROUP numbers. petronas group is huge and having access to the figures of ONLY 2 subsidiaries is NOTHING TO SHOUT about!

just within Petronas Dagangan Berhad's annual report i can pick up transactions with 8 other related companies!!!! how to see the group position and bottom line like that? you need to consolidate, eliminate intercompany transactions, bla bla bla to arrive at the true GROUP picture... omg. please get some financial accounting 101 before you comment.

when RPK said list PETRONAS, he meant list the holding company. i doubt Petronas's GROUP figures are published anywhere!

your summary link is dead. Fine give you benefit of doubt that it is available. I wonder if it's audited.

plus i wonder if you know summary is not good enough?? that's why we have ACCOUNTING STANDARDS on a full set of financial statements. without the full balance sheet and notes there isn't enough detail to protect the public! For example. if it was disclosed that Operating expenses = RM10billion. How much of this is staff cost? how much was paid out to their directors? how much of this arose from bad debts? how much arose from loss on disposal of assets?

DON'T KNOW RIGHT???? THAT's why la the accounting standards board says you must FULLY DISCLOSE THESE items in the notes to accounts. DUHHHH!!!!

Gee... you're just so IGNORANT. you make me sick
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written by redtango, June 06, 2008 09:30:02
As reported in the Star Online this morning.....

"In Ipoh, MIC president Datuk Seri S. Samy Vellu said he thought the rise would be by more than RM1.
He said the people were lucky that the price only increased by 78 sen.
Noting that some quarters may say that the price of petrol can be controlled, Samy Vellu said: “You can control the price but there will be no petrol.”

.... Another 'gem' from the 'wise' Samy Vellu....
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written by grant, June 06, 2008 10:02:25
cahaya,
ur deduction is just great... and ur links are all 2x5.. wth!
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written by RFernandez, June 06, 2008 10:03:43
RPK, this petrol price increase is the best thing that ever happened to Malaysia. For too long we have been led to live in a false rosy economy with enormous subsidies which simply drains the coffers mostly paid for by income taxes from the rich as well as high crude oil price profits. Malaysians should now demand that the government bring the ordinary wage level to world standards so that or Ringgit buys more that it could today. This oil price increase indirectly puts pressure on government to perform to world standards. The best move ever that could happen, remove subsidy completely and increase average worker salaries to world standards. We have been conditioned for far too long to accept everything along the weak Ringgit value, now it's time we look at increasing the standard of living.
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written by liumx, June 06, 2008 10:46:08
ofcoz there r alternatifs, tapi would it b worse or for the better? We knew from the start that petroleum is non-recoverable energy resource and yet we rely on it, we must bear the consequences then. So, do you think the nuclear energy which might be VERY dangerous or solar energy which is labeled as not efficient the better alternatif?
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written by alan cheong, June 06, 2008 11:07:54
WE must do wot Perseus did: LOP OFF "medusa's" head

We can continue hacking away at the hydrae but the HEad remains ...

Take your pick:
a) the head is/can be the lousy racial supremacy thingy, hence the fascist label

b) religious claptrap-turned-violent by megalomaniacal intolerant power hungry losers

c) the munafeequn themselves who are in power

d) anything else YOU may wish to add on
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written by confuseus, June 06, 2008 11:25:34
Sad, Sad, Sad !!!
Many still do not get THE point as depicted in one of the comment below

"Raja, stopped reading your article after this header
"Without Petronas this country would be dead"
Sorry don't believe this nonsense. This country would probably be better managed by its people without the oil curse. The easy money and oil / gas is what brought about some of the stupidest things in Msian.
Just look at Singapore la, and you will understand.
Every country with easy money (oil/gas whatever) is cursed. Especially if governed by greedy (UMNO) racist politicians. Wars are fought over this drug.
Go read your history books, boys & girls. And keep reading cos there will be lots more coming..."

The blame is on US becos many did not lift a finger and many CONDONE it whilst at the same time denying it !!!

Confuseus says "The paradox of misguided souls ... not misguided but in reality misguided "
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written by arifabdull, June 06, 2008 11:44:24
MESTILAH MARAH, DULU JANJI TAK NAIK.... TUP,TUP NAIK!

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written by confuseus, June 06, 2008 12:06:31
Dear PR,
PR, your 100 days is coming, where is the Ombudsman????
Please act and react fast before Confuseus spills the bean!!!
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written by dkkl, June 06, 2008 12:33:02
i wouldnt want to waste time and energy to be angry at the hike of petrol price. We have no choice as the world petroleum increase unless US econoy is improving and China dont progress productivity too fast, the the oil price will slump down. It is al about economy, the theory of demand and supply. However, it is true as said by RPK, we should focus our anger on the empty promise delivered by UMNO/BN. LOOKS LIKE THEY FAILED AGAIN! The most boring thing is the newspaper still keep on telling good things about moron idiots. As a result, nowadays I seldom read newspaper. If I do, I only look at stock market section or entertainment. Dont want to waste time and energy to focus on the morons.
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written by Richfyf, June 06, 2008 13:24:50
"HELP fight price increase" Our minister made this statement.

The world HELP. OK Mt Minister we are willing to Help, Mr Minister, We malaysian have always prove ourself to be very helpful to the world, Look at it when ever there is a disaster in the worid; Earthquake, famine etc we all come out to the aid of the world community. So now Mr Minister You are calling out again for the Rakyat to help
Ok explain to me like a kindergarten kid who dont usderstand economy. Who are we to HELP this time??
Help the the BN minister to save money for the country? In order for us to help you must prove to us that YOU are hit by a disaster that is beyond your control.

BUT WHEN YOU AND YOUR GANG OF CORRUPT CRONIES IS THE CAUSE OF THIS DISASTER.
You got the guts to come ask us to help us make the increase of petrol a reality??????? ARE you SERIOUS??????
OR is it you asking us to fight PAK LAH???
Pak lah increase the price and you ask us to Fight It, as a BN minsiter are you sure you want to ask the Rakyat to fight you BELOVED president????
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written by Panca Indera, June 06, 2008 13:27:25
Another excellent article RPK! Alhamdullilah
Maybe you like to takle the bigger issue of Muslims Schism and why and how to solve it.
Can start on the Companions with this article
“O Believers, if an unrighteous person comes to you with information, you should verify it or else you might inflict harm on a people in ignorance and then end up regretting what you have done”
(Qur'an: Chapter 49, Verse 6)


Were All Companions Just and Truthful?


The Shi'ah are devoted to all those Companions of the Prophet Muhammad (s) who were loyal to his teachings in his life and remained so after his death. According to the Sunni view, even those who merely saw the Prophet (s) for a few seconds are called Companions and are considered immune from criticism. This idea is not supported by the Qur'an or historical facts, and has led to much of the difference between the two schools of thought.

A Companion Defined
Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani, the famous Sunni scholar, defined a Companion of the Prophet (s) as a person who met the Prophet Muhammad (s), after having accepted Islam, and died while still being a Muslim. He included in this definition the following:
all those people who met the Prophet (s), irrespective of the fact whether it was for a long period or a very brief one,
those who transmitted traditions from the Prophet (s) and those who did not,
those who fought along with the Prophet (s) and those who did not,
those who merely saw the Prophet (s) but did not sit in a gathering with him,
as well as those who did not see him due to any excuse such as being blind.
[Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani, al-‘Isabah fi Tamyiz al-Sahaba, (Beirut), vol. 1, p. 10]

Were All Companions Just and Truthful?
The Ahl al-Sunnah are unanimous on the issue that all the Companions were just and trustworthy and that they were the best of the ummah. Many Sunni scholars have stated this belief, including:
Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani, al-‘Isabah fi Tamyiz al-Sahaba, (Cairo), vol. 1, pp. 17-22
Ibn Abi Hatim al-Razi, al-Jarh wa al-Ta'dil, (Hyderabad), vol. 1, pp. 7-9
Ibn al-'Athir, Usd al-Ghaba fi Ma'rifat al-Sahaba, vol.1, pp. 2-3

This concept is difficult to accept in the light of indisputable evidence to the contrary. Consider the following example:
"Az-Zubair told me that he quarrelled with an Ansari man who had participated in (the battle of) Badr in front of Allah's Apostle about a water stream which both of them used for irrigation. Allah's Apostle said to Az-Zubair, "O Zubair! Irrigate (your garden) first, and then let the water flow to your neighbor." The Ansari became angry and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Is it because he is your cousin?" On that the complexion of Allah's Apostle changed (because of anger) and said (to Az-Zubair), "Irrigate (your garden) and then with-hold the water till it reaches the walls (surrounding the palms)." So, Allah's Apostle gave Az-Zubair his full right. Before that Allah's Apostle had given a generous judgment beneficial for Az-Zubair and the Ansari, but when the Ansari irritated Allah's Apostle he gave Az-Zubair his full right according to the evident law. Az-Zubair said, "By Allah ! I think the following Verse was revealed concerning that case: "But no by your Lord They can have No faith Until they make you judge In all disputes between them." (4.65)"
[Sahih al-Bukhari (English translation), volume 3, book 49, number 871]

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written by Panca Indera, June 06, 2008 13:28:34
part2 of article

According to the Sunni doctrine this Companion of the Prophet (s) would be beyond reproach as an authority on sunnah and his actions would be a model to be followed. This is despite the fact that this Companion not only refused to accept the judgment of the Prophet (s) but caused him grief resulting in the revelation of the Qur'anic verse.

Unfortunately, Islamic history is replete with many examples of such people who, although they meet the Sunni criteria to be called Companions, behaved in an un-Islamic way. This behavior was exhibited during the Prophet's (s) life or afterwards or both!

Al-Walid bin 'Uqbah
Is he then who is a believer like he who is a transgressor (fasiq)? They are not equal.
(Qur'an: Surah al-Sajdah, verse 1smilies/cool.gif

Leading Sunni commentators tell us that the context of the revelation of this verse was an incident whereby the word "believer" referred to Imam 'Ali b. Abi Talib and the "transgressor" (fasiq) refered to a Companion of the Prophet (s) called al-Walid bin 'Uqba bin Abi Mu'ayt.
al-Qurtubi, Tafsir, (Cairo, 1947), vol. 14, p. 105
al-Tabari, Tafsir Jami' al-Bayan, under commentary for this verse
Al-Wahidi, Asbab al-Nuzul, (Dar al-Diyan li-Turath edition), p. 291

We have already seen the Qur'anic verse that forbids believers from blindly believing any news transmitted by a fasiq:
O ye who believe! if a wicked person (fasiq) comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.
(Surah al-Hujurat, verse 6)

It is interesting to note that the exegesis of this verse indicates another incident where the same al-Walid lied about a matter that led to the revelation of this verse declaring him a transgressor (fasiq).
Ibn Kathir, Tafsir Qur'an al-'Azim, (Beirut, 1987), vol. 4, p. 224
al-Qurtubi, Tafsir, (Cairo, 1947), vol. 16, p. 311
al-Suyuti and al-Mahalli, Tafsir al-Jalalayn, (Cairo, 1924), vol. 1, p. 185
Abu Ameenah Bilal Philips, Tafseer Soorah al-Hujuraat, (Riyadh), pp. 62-63

As Abu Ameenah Bilal Philips says, “great caution must always be taken when dealing with information conveyed by people of doubtful character, those whose honesty has not yet been proven or by known sinners”. However, we find in the Sunni hadith collections traditions of the Prophet (s) on the authority of al-Walid! See, for example:
Abu Dawud, Sunan, (1973), Kitab al-Tarajjul, bab fi'l-khuluq li'r-rijal, vol. 4, p. 404, hadith number 4181
Ahmad bin Hanbal, al-Musnad, awwal musnad al-madaniyyin ajma'in, hadith 15784

Al-Walid's wickedness did not end during the Prophet's (s) time. He was appointed governor of al-Kufah by 'Uthman, the third caliph, where his wickedness continued. Once he led the morning prayers in a condition of intoxication and prayed four instead of two units. He was subsequently given the punishment on the orders of 'Uthman. This incident is mentioned in countless sources including some mentioned above, as well as:
Sahih al-Bukhari (English translation), volume 5, book 57, number 45; volume 5, book 58, number 212
Al-Tabari, Ta'rikh, (English translation: History of al-Tabari, The Crisis of the Early Caliphate), volume XV, p.120 smilies/cool.gif smilies/cool.gif smilies/cool.gif
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written by cinapek, June 06, 2008 15:01:49
I have no time to be mad. In one week's time, my suppliers are going to start increasing their prices which will in turn force me to find ways to cope and still serve quality and quantity food to my daily catering customers. Just in case, I will cut my family expenses, so I am looking at my budget daily. And I do this even though I have kept my family and business costs as low as possible all this while. We have enough savings to tide us over the short term impact. We are fortunate. I have friends who are not employed with families and small children to support. Just last week, one friend messaged me and pleaded for a small monetary loan. I am thankful that I was in a position to help, but what of the millions of already poor people? What of the families who survive all this while because they have been counting pennies? Our ministers and Petronas execs sit in their cushy offices and can still enjoy their overseas holidays and nice meals cooked and served by servants, while in the coming months (and years), millions of children will go to sleep with empty stomachs because if they are lucky, they can only afford one meal a day. They will see even less of their fathers and mothers because they have to work 2 or even 2 jobs each to put food on the table. But my elected ministers and Petronas big wigs will sleep with a full stomach and enjoy the perks of supposedly unaccounted funds. Where is the justice? I want to be angry, but I don't have the time. I must fight to make sure my children do not ever have to miss a meal.
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written by mob1900, June 06, 2008 16:04:38
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written by liayeo, June 06, 2008 16:57:36
Indianputra,

your two cents worth of crude refining maybe worth less than 2 cents.

One barrel contains 42 gallons of crude oil. The total volume of products made from crude oil based origins is 48.43 gallons on average - 6.43 gallons greater than the original 42 gallons of crude oil. This represents a "processing gain" due to the additional other petroleum products such as alkylates that are added to the refining process to create the final products.



You can also refer to the following website for more details on crude refining
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=226042
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written by densemy, June 06, 2008 19:49:44
Ignorance is no defense in a court of law and neither should it be in the arena of politics

Its often said that a country gets the politicians it deserves and that statement was never truer than when its applied to Malaysia

For 26 yrs you lived in a Delusional World of Denial... you refused to accept or acknowledge that anything was going wrong with Malaysia ... or you refused to do anything about it. You were better off than you ever had been and while your pocket was well lined you simply ignored what was going on around you

Sure Mahathir was a criminal and Badawi has completely lost the plot and the whole country has 'gone to the dogs' But that only happened because you Malaysians allowed it to happen

Now like the good deluders that you are you are blaming everyone in site... and still you are doing NOTHING to correct the mistakes you can ( at last) see

Badawi is not a god, altho you like to turn your politicians into demi gods..He is your employee... DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!
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written by SamBall, June 06, 2008 21:15:01
Dear confuseus,

Sek fan moh? Kif filhal? Salamualikum

Jangan SEDIH kawan

3 questions for you and fellow readers. Do you know how much oil & gas has been monetized by the government in the last 50 years? Do you know how much reserves are left/recoverable? Who does this wealth belong to?

Think about 600B MYR, and ask yourself where all this money has gone to?

I am sure there are good comments and anlaysis in Raja's article; but I have only one problem, with this one

"Without Petronas this country would be dead"

Bullshit. There are many countries in this world without this easy oil & gas wealth (an Arab friend once told me that God blessed his country with the oil & gas in the ground and I know they will the same mistakes as in Msia), but some countries without this easy money have done well like Singapore and Japan. Learn from them. Easy money corrupts easily and it corrupts absolutely.

I prefer "without learned/educated people, this country would be dead"; it looks like after 50 years, Msians still have not learnt; at least the leaders in UMO/BN (racist, corrupted) and some of the rakyat.

Blaming the US is a cop-out. It is time to grow up, own up and fess up.

I hope you can accept critical thinking, and also things that you may not necessarily agree with.

Masalamah, shalom and peace

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written by jivan, June 06, 2008 22:34:52
LET'S ALL BOYCOTT PETRONAS
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written by jivan, June 06, 2008 22:36:20
LET'S ALL BOYCOTT PETRONAS
LET'S ALL BOYCOTT PETRONAS.
LET'S ALL BOYCOTT PETRONAS!
LET'S ALL BOYCOTT PETRONAS;
LET'S ALL BOYCOTT PETRONAS'
LET'S ALL BOYCOTT PETRONAS/
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written by johntyc, June 07, 2008 02:24:50
can't wait for this government to be toppled soon. for those been cheated during GE2008, please think and vote properly next time. see what the government you voted for did to all of us smilies/angry.gif
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written by cahaya, June 07, 2008 05:33:28
No, we should not boycott Petronas!

RPK wrote:
Petronas is too important to the nation. Petronas is the backbone of the Malaysian economy. Without Petronas this country would be dead. Should something that important be under the control of just one man where even Parliament has no say over it? That is what we should be angry about.

So, what we should do is:
ask for Petronas to disclose their accounts in detail.
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written by cahaya, June 07, 2008 05:40:33
mystique, thanks for pointing out broken links! Sorry, I am new to writing comments and pasting URLs on MT. The unusually long URLs get truncated last time. Let me try again...

PETRONAS group’s annual reports for the last six years from 2002 to 2007
and financial figures for half year and full year from year 2000 to 2007.

These are available on the investor relations section of the Petronas corporate website.

http://www.petronas.com.my/int...enDocument

Summary of Petronas Group Results for the last three years is available at:

http://www.petronas.com.my/int...FY2007.pdf

mystique, I also searched and searched Petronas website, but financial reports are hidden from public view. Wonder why! Finally discovered using search engine tools.
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written by mystique, June 07, 2008 06:50:47
hey cahaya. thanks for the link. interestingly enought. the uploaded annual reports are truncated just before the financial statements (page 84). means RPK is right to say its financials are not made public.

What I am trying to draw from their figures is where their profits are channeled and to whom
If you look at the summaries. There reported a profit after tax of 46.4billion. However movement in shareholders' fund is only 13 billion. meaning in between approx 33billion of movement in shareholders' fund is unexplained.

Purely equity items could range and you can hardly guess unless you have the statement of changes in equity to look at. which we don't!
it could be paid out as dividends to its stakeholders, forex translation brought to reserves or etc etc

so i would still say! PUBLISH the GROUP financial statements! it is simply not available!!!
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written by confuseus, June 07, 2008 12:30:35
Dear SamBall,

Thank you for your response.
I said US not "the" USA. Please get your facts and orientation right before you shoot.

Dear PR, your 100 days is coming...where is the Ombudsman that have been verbally agreed ??

The solution is here:

To set up a task-force on the formation of the Ombudsman office, who would receive complaints and investigate allegations of mismanagement, maladministration, corruption, abuse of power and the misuse or misappropriation of public funds.

The Ombudsman will:

1. Act as an agent for systemic change in the public sector by identifying the causes of problems. That person will make recommendations for changes in procedures, practices, policies and/or legislation on issues of governance and financial affairs of the State
2. Establish an effective system for handling and resolving complaints, and
develop feedback system as a means to improve the way in which things are done.
3. Ensure accessibility to the community and provide a platform to air complaints and grievances about the State administration.
4. Initiate investigations into activities of State agencies, statutory authorities and local government. This is done upon acting on a complaint, or of its own accord even if no specific complaint had been received.
5. Use the power of persuasion and reasoned arguments when making substantive recommendations to the State Legislative Assembly.
6. This position should not be a political appointment. It should be carried out through an open and rigorous appointment process that has the confidence of the public.
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written by amoker, June 07, 2008 18:59:27
Actually, i think AAB has been taken for a ride. The figures given cannot tally. If we are subsidizing RM4 billion a month at about RM1 plus per litre, it will mean that Malaysians use 3 billion plus litres of petrol or diesel per month. Has he been fed wrong data and hence, an urgent decision?
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written by superstar232006, June 08, 2008 01:56:39
im really ANGRY with the goverment !!!!!! It really SUCKS to know that all the TRILLIONS of money went to some bloody human for the past 34 years !!!!!!! At least wake up NOW and demand PETRONAS to be accountable to PARLIMENT !!!!!!!!!!!! Is there no other SOLUTION to manage the worldwide petrol price increase ? why our goverment is so incompetent ????????
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written by hermanc, June 08, 2008 05:17:08
Dear Uncle Pete,

I agree we should be ANGRY for the right things. Petrol prices will rise eventually. So will other commodities as the become scarce. But the crux of the matter is why are we Malaysians finding it hard to afford to pay for our petrol when we are a nett exporter?

Is there any shortage of supply within Malaysia? Is our demand exceeding our supply?

Has the cost of exploring and producing crude oil increased as much as our petrol(from RM1.37 to RM 2.70 = 97%) and diesel(from RM0.78 to RM2.58 = 231%) prices over the last few years since ABDULLAH TOOK OVER AS PM?

The price of crude oil has risen sharply especially in 2007, but doesn't that mean more profits for an oil producing country like us?

And what may I ask is this so called subsidy that the government is reducing in order to save cost?

Where did that money come from?

And to WHOM is it being paid to?

Can the Honorable PM please answer?


Angry Citizen.
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written by hermanc, June 08, 2008 05:18:58
*as THEY(typo) become scarce
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written by ImranJ78, June 08, 2008 16:13:23
hermanc,
Maybe i can help shed some light on one of your questions:

`Is there any shortage of supply within Malaysia? Is our demand exceeding our supply?'

Yes Malaysia is short of petrol and diesel. We have to import these in order to satisfy our demand. While there is an abundance of gas in east Malaysia, Peninsular Malaysia is actually short of gas. Due to our extremely low gas price, it does not make economic sense for any oil company to transport and sell gas in Peninsular Malaysia and this is why subsidies hurt us indirectly.
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written by shiokguy, June 08, 2008 16:48:04
advise to PM

I hope the PM will get to read my blog smilies/tongue.gif and allow the July 22 protest or organize one before 22 July

http://shiokguy.blogspot.com/2...to-pm.html


Blog = http://shiokguy.blogspot.com/

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written by Kotadamansara73, June 08, 2008 21:13:28
All the money went to Daim.
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written by ChinaMan, June 08, 2008 23:55:34
There are hundreds of reasons why we should angry with our current Govt. The Govt can use all their forces or media to cover all their colonies asses, but time has proven. It's a total failure. Look at our nation, look at our people. We are LOST. Where are we? How are we? What gonna be? Maybe some of you may think that.. ooo.. We are bad this time? But the reality is, HOW Bad WE ARE? I personally do not know. This is more scary.
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written by Richfyf, June 09, 2008 00:53:15
Dear RPK
You are right, we are all angry and should be angry for the right reason. Now that we all everyone is angry lets do something about it Anger wont solve my problem tomorrow. I need someone to show me the solution... so I hope people wont be angry with me when I say this, but if they do get angry with me but at the same time solve my problem I will be thankful and greatful.

Our problem is to find out the cause of it and get rid of the cause. If we don't work together to get rid of it and not find fault.Fault finding and finger pointing is already being taken care by UMNO and the current govt.We dont need to do their job of be like them.
I think I can safely say we all already know what is the problem and those that casue it.
Just finding fault and someone to blame. Cursing them, calling them funny names, accusing TDM,all this is fun reading but wont solve our PROBLEM.

Our Problem = The increase of Petrol by 40%

The Cause = UMNO President Pak Lah

The solution = Get rid of Umno. hence we also get rid of Pak lah and the bonus is we also get rid of BN

Now comes the next problem.........
How to do it before the next election i.e in 4 or 5 years. Most of us cant last another 4 or 5 months.

So will all those out there who have a realistic suggestion please stand up. Lets Focus on the solution. We all already know the problem. We dont need a few hundred different presention of the same problem,

I am hope someone out that can let me know so that I can do what is necessary to solve our problem.

Anyone there please???
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written by TanBH, June 09, 2008 17:47:40
SOMETIMES BACK, I UNDERSTAND SOME IDIOTS IN SELANGOR TRY TO BE SMART BY MAKING A POLICE REPORT THAT THE PAKATAN RAKYAT DO NOT KEEP THIER ELECTION PROMISE, BUT THEY ONLY RULE FOR ABOUT 2 MONTHS. BN/UMNO HAVE RULE FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS AND HAVE BEEN CHEATING FOR SO LONG, WHY DON'T THEY MAKE POLICE REPORT?????????????? THAT'S WHAT WE CALL STUPID BASTARD.
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written by Loh, June 09, 2008 18:33:51
As advisor to Petronas, TDM is being paid RM 15,000 a month. But do we know how much have been spent on the costs of flying him around in the Petronas jets?
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written by confuseus, June 09, 2008 22:48:35
Dear Richfyf,
RPK has implied over and over again that our sufferings are not due to Pak Lah, UMNO or Petronas but becos of large majority of us tend to condone with all these KEMUNGKARAN and INCOMPETENCE that lead to our own INACTION.

Just like BN and UMNO, we are very good at COMPLAINING and BICKERING.
About time we Rakyat WAKE UP. There is a paper out proposing to set up an Ombudsman committee (with Executive Authority) to be led and managed by non partisan citizens.
If there is enough support from the commentators here, I can push for the agenda.
Will post the relevant paper soon.
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written by shashikaru, June 10, 2008 11:32:31
Yes rpk. an excellent article. you are absolutely right, it is not fair to get angry with the Abdullah administration for the petrol price increments. It was an inevatable event that would have happened anyway. But what we should be angry about is the short sightedness of the government to not fore see the day when they would have to increase petrol prices! So many long term measures could have been done, for example:

1. Public transportation - could have been more efficient and expanded. With increasing petrol prices, this transport system still does not seem to be a viable alternative to traditional way of travelling. Think of Singapore. Thats a damn good public transport system that manages not only to get people where ever they need to be, but also at the exact time they need to be.

2. Car industry - Our car industry is already so bloody over regulated. Although this is a problem, the government could have taken advantage of this. They could have created initiatives to induce car companies to promote and sell cars that have better fuel consumption and are more 'green'. or even cars that run on gas. these foreign car companies are dying to expand their markets into malaysia - why not use green, fuel efficient cars as the medium through which they expand in our markets.

3. Trees - a very simple, commonsensical, why-didn't-the-idiots-that-run-this-country-think of-it kind of solution. if the DBKL would stop cutting so many damn trees maybe we could even walk around the city, no matter how hot it was in the day. Maybe if the government would stop plastering cement all over the place, then the heat of the day wouldn't be so absorbed into the ground and we wouldn't be complaining about sweating our hairs off while walking around the city. Do you see people complaining about walking around Orchard Road?? No. thats 'cause theres plenty of trees to shade the paths and act as an incentive for people to walk around!


However, as a further note, I have certain qualms of your idea of public listing Petronas. I personally don't think its a viable idea. As much as Petronas, even under the authority of the government, fails to serve for the welfare of the public - i highly doubt it would even have any more initiative to do so as a public listed company. I think it would be too worried with share holder sentiments to care about the general welfare of the people. With even more profit maximising pressure, I don't think it would help any of Petronas true purpose of welfare maximising.
Furthermore, with a public listed company, eventually (I fear), the shares will concentrate into a select group of extremely rich investors that would wield just way too much power in the company's decision making process. There's enough concentration of power in our media companies to stop them (the companies) to fulfilling their true purpose. What would stop them from doing so in Petronas?
Also, though i am a firm believer of the free market ideals, the idea of this very important company exposed to foreign ownership by foreigners investing in its shares is not such a nice reality to think about.
However, i still do think they should be more transparent with their accounts. At the very least, be answerable to society as a whole (via parliament).

Shashi
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written by wargasetia, June 11, 2008 17:49:53
nak kaya sampai mana lah oooiiii....
lapar makan nasi juga... berak kentut busuk juga... ntah ntah busuk bangkai lagi bagui...

nak dapat/buat duit pun .... nak byk macam mana.... esok esok dah mampos... kain putih jugak kau dapat.... oooiiiiii....

lubang kuboq tu... tak perlu juta juta bilion bilion ooooiiiii....

kalau nak senang lenang pon.... jgn lah susahkan rakyat....
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written by ponder, June 11, 2008 19:41:42
Mawi,

The differences between the mazhabs are not as small as you think.

Take just one example:

According to Syafie, the daughter of unmarried parents (anak tak sah taraf) can marry her father.

According to Hanafi, Hanbal and the other imams, such a marriage is haram. It is incest.

Incest is haram. It is one of the biggest sins. Yet Syafie rules it as permissible.

Now, can a big sin be halal at the same time?

And back to the sects and divisions.

Sects are divisions. The Quran says clearly that all Muslims must be united as one group. So any form of division among the ummah is to be avoided. That is, if you want to ensure that you are among the jamaah.
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written by kokahai, June 17, 2008 10:49:40
Pete,

good day mate. petronas has come and and said that their accounts are actually made public as they print out 5000 copies and its also available online...what is ur say on this? maybe u have some insight on this.
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written by NancyL, June 20, 2008 10:48:39
Uh huh...Thats why we need Mahathir in this...but what did you guys call him?...MAHAFIRAUN?...MAMAKUTTY?.....yeah....if our government is smart and not corrupted as much.....YES!!!!NOW YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY SAY THE GOVT IS CORRUPTED FULLY!!!!...NOT DURING MAHATHIR TIMES!!!NOT AS Bad AS NOW!!1
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