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Umno and ABIM are enemies of the community. Umno and ABIM are enemies of Islam. Umno and ABIM serve the party and their own race. Umno and ABIM are not true Muslims. Umno and ABIM are bullshit Muslims. Umno and ABIM are practicing bullshit Islam.

NO HOLDS BARRED

Raja Petra Kamarudin 

Umno's interests come first, says Najib,” reported the New Straits Times today. The New Straits Times then went on to report Najib as saying, “We should always consider the party's interests above all else.”

Another New Straits Times report about the Pakatan Rakyat government offering Umno State Assemblymen positions in the Penang State Government, which of course they turned down, goes as follows:

The Pakatan Rakyat state government has again offered posts in several state committees to five Umno assemblymen. The assemblymen, who had turned down similar offers before, received offer letters from the state government last week.

They are Sungai Acheh assemblyman Datuk Mahmud Zakaria, Datuk Ariff Shah Omar Shah (Seberang Jaya), Muhammad Farid Saad (Pulau Betong), Datuk Azhar Ibrahim (Penaga) and Shabudin Yahaya (Permatang Berangan).

Azhar, the state opposition chief, said he received a letter offering him a place in the state Price Control Committee. The state Umno secretary said he was also asked to attend the committee's inaugural meeting.

"I will not accept their offer no matter what. It is against my principles. The truth is they are not sincere. All this is politically motivated."

Azhar said he had expected other Umno assemblymen to receive similar offers. "They can make us the offer as many times as they want but we will not accept them. We will continue to remain loyal to the party," he said.


And this is what Bernama reported today:

The Malaysian Muslim Youth Movement (Abim) has called on the government to clarify the necessity for the Public Service Department (PSD) to increase the ratio of scholarships for non-Bumiputeras from 10 percent to 45 percent.

Abim secretary-general, Khairul Arifin Mohd Munir, said in view that the education quota issue was closely related to provisions in the federal constitution like Articles 153(2) and 153(3) it was therefore necessary that Malaysians be given an explanation for the move.


Sura Al-Fatiha is the first chapter of the Muslim holy book, the Qur'an. Its seven verses are a prayer for God's guidance and stress the lordship and mercy of God. This chapter has a special role in the Muslims' daily prayers (Salat), being recited at the start of each unit of prayer, or rak'ah.

Verse five of this sura says: You alone we worship, and You alone we ask for help.

There is also a verse that goes as follows: innasalati, wanusuki, wamahyaya, wamamati, Lillahi Rabbil Alamin. This means all my actions and deeds (salat or prayers included), my life and my death, are only for the God of the entire world.

Najib, however, says that Umno’s interest should be above all other interests. So Najib is not a true Muslim.

And the Umno State Assemblymen say they only serve the party. So these Umno State Assemblymen are also not true Muslims.

Meanwhile, the Islamic youth movement, ABIM, is upset that the government is not upholding racial discrimination. So the ABIM people too are not true Muslims.

Yes, that’s right; don’t get too impressed and awed by any Arab look-alike, Bin Ladin wannabe. They may dress like Muslims from the Arabian desert. They may talk like Muslims. They may sujud (prostrate) on the ground with their backsides pointing to the sky five times a day. They may go to Mekah twice a year whereas others go only once in their entire life. Their wives and daughters may be ‘properly’ covered with a tudung or headscarf. They may even let loose from their lips a few Arabic words from time to time. But they are not true Muslims. They are munafik and fasik Muslims.

True Muslims practice amar maaruf, nahi munkar. True Muslims treat fardu ‘ain as one aspect of Islam and fardu kifayah as an even more important aspect. This means you uphold good and oppose evil. This also means you serve your community in the name of God while sacrificing your own interest (plus, in particular, party interests) for the good of the community. This means you uphold the teachings of Prophet Muhammad by opposing racism and the Umnoputera ‘caste system’ that exists in Malaysia.

But Umno and ABIM do the opposite to all this. They serve the party and uphold racism. They don’t care about the community. Party interests come first even if the community suffers. They oppose and violate everything that Islam stands for. They are munafik and fasik. Remember these two words: munafik and fasik. That is what Umno and ABIM are. Yet the pretend they are true Muslims. Bullshit! This is bullshit Islam practiced by bullshit Muslims. What they uphold and practice is everything that Islam opposes.

Uphold good and oppose evil: says Islam. Do not discriminate: says Islam. Race does not count: says Islam. Serve only God and your community: says Islam. But Umno and ABIM do the opposite of this. Umno and ABIM violate what Islam stipulates. Umno and ABIM are enemies of the community. Umno and ABIM are enemies of Islam. Umno and ABIM serve the party and their own race. Umno and ABIM are not true Muslims. Umno and ABIM are bullshit Muslims. Umno and ABIM are practicing bullshit Islam. True Islam practiced by true Muslims prohibits the serving of any other than the community and God. True Islam practiced by true Muslims prohibits racism and discrimination.

How ironical. The kafir (infidel) Chinese from Barisan Nasional are prepared to work with Pakatan Rakyat for the good of the people. These kafirs that Muslims say are all going to go to hell think of the people. On the other hand, the Muslims from Barisan Nasional sabotage Pakatan Rakyat even if the people have to suffer. These Muslims that Muslims say will be guaranteed heaven do not care about the people. How ironical that the kafirs practice amar maaruf, nahi munkar, and fardu kifayah, whereas Muslims violate these Islamic requirements. How ironical that the kafirs are better Muslims than Muslims. How ironical indeed.

Oh, by the way, I challenge any of the State Muftis to dispute what I wrote and declare me ‘sesat’ or misguided. I will take on any Mufti worth his salt. Speak now or forever hold your tongue.

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written by DatoSeri, May 31, 2008 12:42:31
Exactly RPK! These bunch of bullshit Muslims bring so much SHAME and degrade the true Muslims.

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Plain simple:

1. ABIM represents Muslim faith and by stating so, does this means ABIM does not want an equality/rights among Malaysians? If yes, then it means Islam is teaching for unfair treatment to non-Bumi (which actually means non-Malays).

2. ABIM talks about Non-Bumi/Bumi, which means it promotes the segregation of 1st/2nd class citizen treatments. We can see how how fair is this group of people be.

3. The DEB/NEP and whatever preferences given specifically to Bumi (which essentially translated to Malays) MEANS the group of people cannot be independent, not able to stand by their own feets, and needed the goverment to spoon feed. What a shame for all of us to face our "non-Bumi" friends, who only see the "Bumi" as paracites.
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written by Heikal, May 31, 2008 12:46:00
I dont really understand why UMNO and Mlays regard malays as bumiputra and the chinese, indians, etc aree considered 'outsiders' . According to islamic teaching we are all came from the same pair of people. Doesn't that makes all of us bumiputra on this earth?
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written by bananachinese, May 31, 2008 12:49:10
Haiya, RPK,

please don't invite such people like the infamous Perak Mufti to argue with you. There'll be no end to it because he's mindset is cast in stoneage, your logic and argument will be totally lost to his level of intelligence/rational understanding. Fellow suffers like him possess a worldview that do not extend to the real world where it's so borderless now - Malaysians can just hop on a plane to another country to get aways and live peacefully away from the noise the likes of him generate.

Until we can talk and not use words like Bumi / non-Bumi, Kafir / non-Kafir, etc...Malaysia is way long to go towards civil first class country.

But fear not! I'll help in my little ways to do something about it. Peacefully and civilly.
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written by MasterYoda, May 31, 2008 12:49:57
RPK - Not only in Malaysia but everywhere.

Christian,hindu, communist nations also same... preach but never practice.
As long as got POWER... enough!

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written by eeyaw, May 31, 2008 12:51:59
What ills Malaysia is the narrow minded approach to a multi racial society where these scumbags think that their views are God's view and any dissents or different religions are blasphemous. They want the others to pay their taxes obligingly and then go to the corner and keep quiet. If they are so pious then why touch the taxed money of all those non muslims who they deemed non-halal.
Totally pissed!

TRULY HYPOCRITES OF THE FIRST ORDER!!
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written by K W Waran, May 31, 2008 12:55:32

Dearest YM RPK,

We were not expecting anything from you till Monday when you signed off wishing us all a nice weekend.

Trust you to give us a bonus for the weekend while awaiting other bombshells whilst giving a good and a proper socking to those who intepret something as holy as Islam in accordance to their whims and fancies.

Boy, your article is going to be the Talk of the Mosques and Suraus across the country over the weekend. You have caused them to have a spinning head wondering what hit them. Take Care, Sir.

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written by carkraz, May 31, 2008 12:55:51
Here's a good quiz:

1.BN: We should always consider the party's interests above all else

2.PR: We should always consider the Malaysian's interests above all else

Which of the above quote is Malaysians more inspired by? Remember, this is a trick question.(duh)

BTW, ABIM does not represent Islam in any way,shape or form.To say ABIM represents Islam is an insult to Islam itself.
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written by ilovepakatan, May 31, 2008 12:57:23
We all need to realise that we wont live forever. So all the politician need to realise that money and power will be gone one day no matter what. In order to develop, we all need to be together. Racism will only tear us apart. Those who thinks that people like me and others in here are troublemaker and disrupting the peace of the nation need to think twice. It may be peaceful now but the country is slowly rotting. Make your voices heard now before it's too late. Together, you and me can make a difference, not only for us but for our future generations long after we are gone. Think about it. You can make a difference.
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written by aneed2k, May 31, 2008 13:02:44
RPK,
dun waste ur time challenging them. i remember once our mufti of perlis was challenged to a debate by someone disliked by the islamic community.
the mufti didnt even reply the challenge.
the reason that the challenge was not replied was because he was disliked and the reason for the dislike was he was questioning islam and its origins.
now, education in a definition debate comes down to many things but i feel questioning to understand reason and also to educate is supposed to be something very honorable.
dont u guys think so?
anyway, as for ABIM, they actually mentioned bumiputera and sabah and sarawak.
this is bloody ridiculous as i studied in east malaysia and i know, the bumiputeras there are very angry that they are just a part of a propaganda where they are called bumiputeras but are not given anything.
this is because the clowns in peninsular malaysia tend to grab everything before it is even up for distribution.
and u need not be a nuclear scientist to figure out who i am talking about.
i disagree with the racial lines drawn by our political system in malaysia and i hope anwar ibrahim does something about it.
Malays rights is something that article 153 champions.
im sure everyone in malaysia is fine or ignorant about that.
the educated society couldnt care less about article 153.
in a open market, even a bumiputera wants to be respected for his ability not for his racial stance.
give the scholarships, open the markets, abolish ridiculous care taxes.
our gov is not the richest but we also are not poor.
we can sustain our economy, all we need is a free, fair and just gov.
kick these hyenas out, they scavange on the rakyat.

DSAI,
if u are reading or anyone close to u is reading.
i am sure this is the message that malaysia wants u to hear.
we want.
1. abolishment of unnecessary taxation on foreign cars.
2. stricter rulings and investigations on corrutption.
3. make sure prime minister is a two term post like the U.S
4. loose the racial politics and call us BANGSA MALAYSIA.

we all are malaysians and we want to be known as malaysians.
on a personal note, i wish to ask u of one thing, DSAI.
before we can fight racism, we have to fight gender biasness.
i hope u let ur wife be the first malaysian woman prime minister.
this will be a huge step forward for malaysian politics and also a gargantuan leap in the development of a TRUE MALAYSIA.
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written by novrising, May 31, 2008 13:07:40
It is not about wasting time or otherwise, it is about the TRUTH. However bitter it is, TRUTH is TRUTH. Lets indulge in it.

Peace,
NovRising
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written by RumahPanjai, May 31, 2008 13:07:43
Looks like hell will be overflow with these bullshitters. ABIM forgot or preferred to ignore that there are non bumiputra muslims too. ABIM is not Islamic then and thus deserves to be called bullshitters.
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written by future, May 31, 2008 13:10:35
Dear RPK,

Yes UMNO is Munafik and Fasik and this is one of
the reasons the majority of malay rejected UMNO.
Demi Bangsa,Ugama dan Negara is only rhetoric.They
have been cheating the rakyat especially the malays
for the last 50 years.......its all over for UMNO.
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written by satuan, May 31, 2008 13:24:05
Amar Ma'aruf nahi munkar says it all. Right thinking muslims understand this very well..... but UMNO,ABIM use ISLAM as an excuse for the hatred and hegemony.
Divine power has shown every Malaysian its power at the last tsunami elections... but these numb.skullcaps wil never learn...It will hit them soon,, the signs are clear.
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written by Fido, May 31, 2008 13:26:10
Even if UMNO puts race first, it is still only looking after its own race that vvoted for them, so not only do they only look after the malays, they also only look after malays in BN governed states. Habis tu, Malay kelantan bukan malays ke?
2 strikes already. 3 strikes and ur out? smilies/wink.gif
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written by LKO, May 31, 2008 13:29:15
I always wonder if the leaders are just putting on a coat of Religionism and wonder if they believe it in their heart.

Obvious things that the biased land deals, destroying all the government papers, hiding behind OSA/ISA, one sided Parlimentary Speakers' decisions, etc., and even the Balkis issue! With all these, they could come out and say they are doing other thing for religion's sake.
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written by cwy, May 31, 2008 13:29:44

"Yes, that’s right; don’t get too impressed and awed by any Arab look-alike, Bin Ladin wannabe. They may dress like Muslims from the Arabian desert. They may talk like Muslims. They may sujud (prostrate) on the ground with their backsides pointing to the sky five times a day. They may go to Mekah twice a year whereas others go only once in their entire life. Their wives and daughters may be ‘properly’ covered with a tudung or headscarf. They may even let loose from their lips a few Arabic words from time to time. But they are not true Muslims. They are munafik and fasik Muslims."

In fact, they are a bunch of HYPOCRITES!
What that passed out from their asses are not human excretion, but bull shits and cow dungs!
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written by cruzeiro, May 31, 2008 13:40:40
Hear, hear!

Those members of KIMMA and other Indian Muslim groups - keep these words of RPK as food for thought.
Consider it well, before trying to slither your way into the NEP/ UMNO Baru, via the "constitutionally bumiputra" or "Malay" status argument, becos of your religious status.

"Work to destroy evils", and not "work with the evils" - that have discriminated against you!
Don't lend the munafiks your support!
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written by Spear Bing, May 31, 2008 13:42:24
Munafik and Fasik .......Got it, got it..... learn two words a day. Must learn by heart and every time UMNO, ABIM, and all these bullshit Muslims turn away from practising amar maaruf, nahi munkar, they will be branded as Munafik and Fasik.

Oh..... when will they ever learn?

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written by cynical cynic, May 31, 2008 13:49:49
“Umno's interests come first, says Najib,” reported the New Straits Times today. The New Straits Times then went on to report Najib as saying, “We should always consider the party's interests above all else.”

Aiseh RPK. I am not a big fan of Najib myself, but frankly I think your conclusion is a bit unfair.

I presume Najib's statement above was given in the context of UMNO party, which is fair enough considering that he is one of the party's leaders. This is unless he explicitly says, "the party's interest is above anything else, EVEN ISLAM" - then it is a different story. But he did not really say that, did he?

If we have to caveat everything that we say, then communication would be difficult. Imagine if I said this during my family dinner "Our family comes first, above everything else!" and then you knock on my door and say "oppss..wrong mate, ISLAM comes first" then communication would be difficult because you have taken my statement out of context.

So the most important thing is not take things out of context. It pisses me off when people take your statement out of context (in govt media etc.) Having said that it also annoys me a bit when YOU take other people's quote out of context. In the end your statement has to be fair.
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written by harrbm, May 31, 2008 13:55:59
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Ha ! i saw it all the while . . . but only YM RPK put it very clearly. so many munafiks and fasiks around us.

Lets be aware and uncover them naked one by one.

amen

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written by sampalee, May 31, 2008 13:56:49
For both muslims and non-muslim,the light and graceful touch of RPK speaks loudly and it is Islam made simple at its best.One is either a muslim or not based on his virtuous actions[alignment with the TRUTH}and it matters little how one looks or how deligently one stick with ritual without the insight of wisdom[spiritually as against worldly]
Perhaps it will do the nation good if our Ulamaks take a refresher course from RPK.
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written by SamBall, May 31, 2008 14:04:09
SOunds like a PAS manifesto to me smilies/wink.gif; anyway as "cynical cynic" says need to take things into context la; otherwise words can be twisted to means something else.

Anyhow, to sum, UMNO ABIM = Malays Muslims. So anyone who is not "Malay", and not Muslim is out. If so, then this is the worst case of racism and religious bigotry I have ever seen.

Please la; for crying out loud, keep race and religion out of politics; they serve to divide, not unite. When is Malaysia going to learn? Sudah 50 tahun masih tak cukup matang?
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written by freedom lover, May 31, 2008 14:07:29
"Oh, by the way, I challenge any of the State Muftis to dispute what I wrote and declare me ‘sesat’ or misguided. I will take on any Mufti worth his salt. Speak now or forever hold your tongue." RPK

RPK, I am on your side. Those who are from genuine Islamic schools of taughts will take your side. I think most Islamic professionals from Arab nations will take your side. UMNO members will not speak up because they dont have enough courage, but of course they will wait for some "paid" muftis and ulamaks
to speak up later! RPK, just wait for a while because the money needs to reach these muftis in time, before statements are issued!
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written by FFT, May 31, 2008 14:07:56
UMNO is merely an offshoot of the Nazi Party of Germany, and was secretly formed by the Axis during World War II to frustrate British interests in Malaysia.

This is why UMNO, a Nazi Party offshoot, can allow cold-blooded murderers and their fat wives to reach among the highest levels of office in the party.
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written by teohsh, May 31, 2008 14:21:01
Dear RPK,

Thank-you for your expose on the true Islam teachings.

In my heart, I have strongly sensed that UMNO does not practice true Islam teachings, but since I am a Chinese, I am unable to pinpoint exactly where they have gone wrong.

Your article is a wonderful article to help non-Islams like me to better understand the true teachings of Islam. For that, I salute you and I have the highest respect for true Islam teachings. Do keep it up!
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written by quietguy, May 31, 2008 14:23:16
To clarify, munafik and fasik are mutually exclusive terms.

munafik = one who claims to be a Muslim, but in truth does not have any faith in Islam
fasik = a Muslim who have faith but continually commits some sins even though he knows that he is sinning
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written by micon02, May 31, 2008 14:26:54
Hypocrites are those who speak foul language:

Let us look at what Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr: "The Prophet said, "Whoever has the following four (characteristics) will be a pure hypocrite and whoever has one of the following four characteristics will have one characteristic of hypocrisy unless and until he gives it up.

1. Whenever he is entrusted, he betrays.

2. Whenever he speaks, he tells a lie.

3. Whenever he makes a covenant, he proves treacherous.

4. Whenever he quarrels, he behaves in a very imprudent, evil and insulting manner."

Dear RPK, that’s right, “munafik & fasik”
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written by SUV, May 31, 2008 14:27:36
amar maaruf, nahi munkar.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------aah,bro goplakrishnan selalu sebut amar maaruf nahi munkar
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written by Jan, May 31, 2008 14:35:26
Each time a leader commits wrong he will perform a haj to ask for forgiveness from god. The number of times they go to Mecca in a year could be an indication of the number of times they have sinned. They must be thinking they can commit any crime and still get away with it. I think no religion in the world would allow it and RPK is quite right, there are some bullshit leaders in power.
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written by AlanCK, May 31, 2008 14:35:30
To me, a true Muslim is prepare to serve the people above self and against racism and discrimination of all forms. This is the same for infidel who serve the people.

UMNO/BN and Abim only serve their own interest and can never claimed to be a true Muslim. Any political and non political parties and individuals who don't serve the people of the country are not a true Muslim. So any infidel of the same who don't serve the people is a bad infidel
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written by AlanCK, May 31, 2008 14:35:30
To me, a true Muslim is prepare to serve the people above self and against racism and discrimination of all forms. This is the same for infidel who serve the people.

UMNO/BN and Abim only serve their own interest and can never claimed to be a true Muslim. Any political and non political parties and individuals who don't serve the people of the country are not a true Muslim. So any infidel of the same who don't serve the people is a bad infidel
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written by Eskay Lim, May 31, 2008 14:38:36
YA, YA RPK, you tell them good.
Tell them what the TRUE ISLAMIC teaching really means.
Them dumbskulls often give confussing interpretation that boggles non-Islamic minds. Whatever it is $$$$$$$ is still their No:1 consideration.
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written by technoboy, May 31, 2008 14:39:55
Elite UMNO malays are a disgrace to their own race, bunch of racists who do not care for anyone else except their own selfish, greedy interest. No words can describe these bunch of crooks; they go and pray 5 times a day and immdesiately afetr that go and swindle public money without any sense of shame, Dato Z, isteri-isteri YBs, spend millions on personal clothings, committing murders, etc, this is the type of Muslims UMNO breeds, really pray and hope retribution will go after these bunch of crooks one by one like Dato Z.
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written by malsia1206, May 31, 2008 14:40:49
What else can I say? This is RPK at his very best. True to form he says it out and he says it loud. Bluntly, no holds barred. This piece would get a lot of young and elderly people walking in the corridors of power very uncomfortable indeed. The fuse had been lit.
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written by Ken Liew, May 31, 2008 14:51:58
Greedy morons!!!

Any government need to take care of the COUNTRY!! not their own party. And every races should take care of their own believes(agama). partly, umNO own benifits are Primary objective, and mission are to leech The country dry.
Who need such a useless human being!!!

Umno are not just the enemy of all Islam, they are also enemy to Malaysia. They are even ENEMY to all human being. cos they have no basic human sense..!!!!
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written by Jan, May 31, 2008 14:52:11
Not only are some of our leaders bullshit muslims they even set up the BTN to teach their next generation all the racist bullshit policies to perpetuate their agenda.
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written by blacknight220, May 31, 2008 14:53:33
Munafik and Fasik ....oh ok. Meaning UMNO & ABIM. Yeah. It really rhyme. UMNO & ABIM trying to protect their party/agenda and in the process trying to act like the Hero. Hero taik anjing laa....taking up the Munafik & Fasik act? What a shame. Memalukan sungguh!! chis kepala ikan
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written by Zapper, May 31, 2008 15:12:13
If one is to read all the holy books from the many religions, it always come down to one creator. Religion will never teach us to be more superior than another human being because we came from the source. All religion teaches us to have respect and a conscience. Now, it the man who plays God that is dangerous because he can and will use God's name to further their agendas.
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written by timberguy, May 31, 2008 15:16:20
Dear RPK, of course they will not challenge you. There is no way you can spin Islaam to be racist religion - IT SIMPLY IS NOT! Najib and ABIM, on the other hand, have no any Islamic principles in themselves and probably very, very, very shallow understanding of Islaam anyway. May Allaah swt be their most severe judge in this world and the Hereafter.
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written by Thamipoh, May 31, 2008 15:18:13
Thanks RPK for considering me a better muslim than some other muslims. I am a volunteer worker in a charitable org and doing my bits in community service. Yes, you can tell the umno goons to show the world their faith thru their works. and by our works we can show the world our faith. Faith without work is dead. Faith and works compliment each other.
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written by Yew Loke, May 31, 2008 15:21:07
Yes...NAJIB and those other are not muslim...go makan babi
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written by hoong, May 31, 2008 16:09:31
ABIM UMNO = Pertubuhan Untuk Kepentingan Individual Malaysia..... PUKIMA.
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written by ultraman, May 31, 2008 16:16:28
RPK,
You are really good. In fact you are one of the TRUE MUSLIMS thast I have seen. Yes, TRUE MUSLIM is a joy to mix and talk too. They are caring and never utter any derogatory words against any one. always humble and more often than not dress modestly.
But the problem is that there are so many 'celup' ones maquerading as true one.
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written by Naha, May 31, 2008 16:26:28
Politics is shit. Period. I will not let any of you forget that once upon a time, ABIM naqibs, naqibahs, and their minion wannabe usrah-ites would mention 'brother Anwar' in every other sentence. Some followed Anwar into PKR. So very clearly, the recent PKR defections are these racists jumping ship. It's just amazing that they lasted even three months post-election manifesto. It must have been policy hell for them.

PKR: if you are a pluralist party, why do you need bedouin-sounding titles for your pemuda leadership? Ditch the ABIM baggage.
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written by alarcarte, May 31, 2008 16:46:30

The Chinese's Hell is a much better place to live than the UMNO's Heaven! They can play Mahjong and drink Beers and buy Magnum or ToTo in hell also. I will choose to live in Hell instead of UMNO's Heaven if given a choice.
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written by Dominic, May 31, 2008 16:48:50
I wonder how would Malaysia flaired if the country is devoid of the Chinese and Indians, the two main contributor to what she is today . Yet,the leaders never really appreciate their contribution. Fine,if these two groups are considered as 2nd class citizen. Fullstop ! What do we have in reality ? Yet,we have in our midst,illegal immigrants from neighbouring countries who not only dont contribute much but giving social problems and yet given equal treatment ! To hell with ABIM and those who pretend to be so holy like they are semi-allah !
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written by chipon, May 31, 2008 17:10:57
Hmm..I wonder why RPK labeled ABIM = UMNO
ABIM is a non-partisan NGO that fights for Islam in general. Please look at ABIM as a whole before you brand ABIM with anything or any party. Yes, ABIM questioned why the government changed the quota, but this alone does not make them UMNO because there are thousands of other press statements that ABIM gave that contradicts to what UMNO do or did! They have been against UMNO in many many things!
I have had respect to many of your views, but this one is just unacceptable. ABIM has fight for the cause of Muslims nationaly and internationally since it's founding.

The formula is simple, if the Public service is to accept more non-bumis than the private sectors (mostly non-bumis) will have to freely accept more Malays into their organization as well!

RPK has talked a lot about the discrimation that non-bumis get but he has never talked about the discrimination that bumis get from non-bumis in their private companies and family-based business!!!!! I don't think RPK will answer this!
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written by kenny, May 31, 2008 17:20:03
written by cynical cynic, May 31, 2008 | 13:49:49

Dear cc, your argument sounds rational at first glance.

I agree every rational being shouldn't twist things out of context. So, cynical cynic, let's get into the larger context of Najib's statement of 'the party's interest is above all else'. It's only fair that we look at the practical side of things. What has UMNO Baru done to the rakyat? What is UMNO Baru still doing to the nation? Now these two questions are self-explanatory so let's not go into its specifics here.

In the article , RPK has pointedly explained that UMNO Baru and its minions are not upholding good and opposing evil, which are obligatory of Muslims and all decent beings for that matter, but are in fact practising the opposite. And if UMNO Baru's actions and practices are against Islam, doesn't it equate to this statement 'UMNO Baru's interests are above all else even if they are against Islam'? Doesn't it equate to your hypothetical " unless he explicitly says --- 'the party's interest is above anything else, EVEN ISLAM"?

Instead of saying RPK has taken Najib's statement out of context, it should be the other way round. RPK has bared Najib's statement into the grindstone of a larger context.

And if your other hypothetical 'Our family comes first, above anything else' is within the confines of moral human characteristics, then 'No, Islam comes first' would be academic.
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written by Abajawi, May 31, 2008 17:31:55
So Chippon, you are saying "tit for tat" right? Answer evil with evil? Is this the teaching of Islam? Quote me a hadith that says when people do us a bad deed, don't get mad--but get even.

Answer with an equally bad deed. Because non-bumi firms discriminate against bumis, the govt must discriminate against the non-bumis in award of scholarship. Have you ever thought about this: if the govt starts to be fair, maybe the private sector (chinese controlled companies) will start opening up to more qualified bumis.

So, is it wrong for the govt to show the way? Isn't the govt supposed to be benevolent, more level-headed than the private individual? It is about time that the true teachings of ISlam be practised by Muslim people in authority. Who knows,when non-Muslims see fair play by the Muslim leaders, some nn-muslims maybe attracted to enter ISlam, this universal religion. Today, thousands of Danish are entering ISlam soon after one of their countrymen drew that infamous cartoon of the Prophet of Islam (pease and blessings be upon him).
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written by kent chong, May 31, 2008 17:35:17
Dear RPK,

I salute you , u are true MUSLIM. WE malaysian will live in PEACE and Harmony if all malay will have same understand like u.
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written by Tompios, May 31, 2008 17:43:43
Tompios is coming back!

Dear RPK, your argument is really acceptable in my conscience. Malaysia is the bigot Islamic people that I know. Learn UMNO and study to be a wise Islamic organization to spread the truest Islam dakwah to your neigbours.
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written by ben123, May 31, 2008 17:52:01
cynical cynic, when Najib wants the Gerakan members who work with Pakatan Rakyat for the good of the rakyat's interest to be sacked because they went against party interest then RPK has not taken Najib's statemenent out of context.

chipon, ABIM may have done 100 good things but it does not justify keeping silent if they do only one bad thing.
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written by borneopeteliew, May 31, 2008 18:13:31
Raja Petra,

Why are you saying ABIM is equal to UMNO? I thought ABIM is pro Anwar. As far as I know, ABIM chaps are always looking up to Anwar for directions.
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written by miwaki, May 31, 2008 18:24:52
If only our government really understand what is Islam,we rakyat will have a good lives.No religion is bad,however,not all their followers understand the teachings and willing to adhere to the teachings.

I think in Malaysia,only RPK dare to speak the truth.The rest are hypocrites and only think of themselves,not even the party as claimed !
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written by teo siew chin, May 31, 2008 18:31:59
I totally will not believe that the many many true Muslims will let the bullshit muslims get away with bullshitting Islam.
I totally believe that the good outnumber the bad.


but then again, it's politics so anything goes!
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written by Taikohtai, May 31, 2008 18:42:47
As a practising Buddhist, I have always say that there are many many better 'Buddhists' amongst Muslims, Christians, Hindus and so on, than me.
To hear RPK says the same for his faith, I say this guy is insightful indeed. SYABAS!
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written by densemy, May 31, 2008 18:50:13
Islam is just another way of spelling hypocrisy
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written by arazak, May 31, 2008 18:58:56
DEar RPK,

Dato Azhar Ibrahim the Penang State Opposition said this upon receiving an ivitation to join as a state Price Control Committee,; "I will not accept their offer no matter what. It is against my principles. The truth is they are not sincere. All this is politically motivated."

RPK, I think you are missing one crucial point here;and that is for these UMNO/BN politicians, they are only interested to be in a committee if they could cut a "deal" (read commission) for lobbying a contract, approvals of project, or things of that nature.Being in a committe where the other members would not be easily be corrupted is difficult for them. In other words,the Malay says... , "fulus tak mashuk" (is not profitable for them). What is the point than of joining such a committee than?

Nah...., it is not about weather they undersood their own religion (Islam)or not,it is about weather they can make money from joining a committee.

Oh yes, and another thing...,serving the people is not in UMNO'or BN's MPs dictionary. What is in thier dictionary is lining their own pockets.
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written by cynical cynic, May 31, 2008 19:05:29
Kenny, Ben123

I (think) I understand where you are coming from. To keep things simple, essentially you are saying that my statement is incorrect because Najib is a bad guy (not opposing evil, sacking Gerakan members etc etc.), therefore any criticism against him is justifiable.

I think its probably better for me to articulate my view better. I don't have any problem with valid criticism against Najib. However the thought process and the supporting rationale behind the criticism has to be accurate.

For example, let' say you say that Najib is a Bullshit Muslim because he is corrupt, and then you give some evidence to show that he is corrupt. I don't have any problem with that.

But if you say that Najib is a Bullshit Muslim because of some statement taken out of context, then I think its unfair.

I don't think the end justify the means. Yes Najib is evil, yes Najib is corrupt. But each argument has to be taken on its own merit. If not there won't be any difference between us any the "yes man" in UMNO, who just agree to whatever their leaders say.
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written by AsamLaksa, May 31, 2008 19:06:08
Chipon, why so stupid?

Look, you say ABIM fights for Islam but is going against the notion of equality regardless of race is a core teaching in Islam? Thus isn't playing the racial card un-Islamic? What ABIM is really trying to defend is not Islam ideals but racial policies. So, yes even if by defending the quota they help Malay Muslims but shouldn't they put the interests of the human race as a whole above the interest of only Muslims? Was the prophet's (pbuh) example so hard to follow?

On regards of private corporations hiring more Malays... well, why should they? It's a private company, they can hire whoever they like. Nevertheless it's the profits that keep them in line. If their policies result in lower profits, they risk getting sacked. So more often than not, they are more inclined to put abilities above race.

It also doesn't help that race stereotype exists in recruitment considerations. Why is there stereotype? Look no futher than the NEP. If you want to get rid of the stereotype, get rid of the crutches. As long as there are policies that favour one race, that race will always be seen as having the crutches.

The biggest distinction is that government are accountable to the public thus what it does can be criticised by the people who put them in power. So if the public wants the quota to go then the government have to take note. Private corporations are not accountable to the public and only need to make profits. If you have your own company it's up to you to hire all Malay staff it's up to you as you are not accountable to the public.

Similarly I posted in another topic long ago about some idiot who claimed that the Chinese had their chamber of commerce who gives out loans to help out only Chinese businesses thus Chinese should not argue for equal economic playing field. Chamber of commerce again is not a public body. Their members can decide how they want to use their money and who they want to give their money to be it their datuk, cat or unborn child. Government funds are public money, not Malay money and they are accountable for the public.

I don't get it why some people still can't understand the distinction between public bodies and private corporations. The rules apply differently to both. The salaries of public bodies are regulated whereas in the private sector they can pay you how much they like. Private bodies do not have a regulated racial quota and can either have none or have one at any size they want.

So, Chipon, jangan jadi bodoh. Find out why the rules for public bodies and private corporations are different before you spout more nonsense.
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written by Shimshon, May 31, 2008 20:20:55
written by Hope4all, May 31, 2008 | 14:23:36
Stupid ABIM. We continue to split the country apart. Philippines want Sabah. Indonesia want the rest of Malaysia, we can't even say Rasa Sayang is ours. We even lost Pulau Batu White to Singapore.

And yet, we continue to use race and religion to dampen the feeling of patriotism and sense of Malaysian national pride. ...

We're screwed!
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My kind of stuff.

The sense of belonging with Malaysia - is all gone in April '08 - after feeling 'high' in March after the Mar 8 gen.elections.

The Melayu Bo**h keep refering to Indonesians as 'Bangsa Serumpun' while refering to us Chinese,Indians, etc as 'Bangsa Asing/Pendatang' -
more than before the 12th GE!
A case of one step forward, two steps backwards!
(The Malays Sultans are our nonMalays' sultans too - but the Melayus think not so. They still consider Malaysia & Sultan2 'Melayu Punya')

Of course the Southern Filipinos consider Sabah as part of them! They migrated to Sabah by the droves over the centuries and even coming in till today; and not that Sabah natives moved over to southern Philippines.

The same with the Peninsula, most are Indonesians to begin with - even the Sultans are Indons - who openly claim to be Bugis, etc.

(No such thing as a Melayu Jati(asli) sultan ....FACT!!)

Millions of Indons migrate to Malaysia every decade - and they breed, multiply (ie get married and reproduce more millions)!


And so the Indonesians (in Indonesia) naturally feel Malaysia actually is part of Indonesia!

We Chinese and Indians and 'Lain/Other' who developed the land in a big way & faster (since we're more productive) - are now considered parasites living off the socalled Bumis or Melayus' benevolence! (When the other way around is true).

It's time for Chinese and Indians to (following the Malays) also repeatedly say 'Bangsa Serumpun' to all the Chinese, and the Indians across the world; yes, repeatedly say 'Bangsa Serumpun'.

The Indians for example when they see Indian newsreaders, tv journalists, etc on CNN, BBC, etc --
tell to the Melayu beside you, 'Hey, that's my Bangsa Serumpun' --
and then Melayu will feel humiliated/offended - because no Malays are on CNN, BBC, etc
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written by chipon, May 31, 2008 20:42:55
I understand what u are trying to say and i agree. I fully promote multiracial as well.
But we have to understand the scenario in this country. The spirit of multiracial is at the very moment directed to only the government/public service. Why not we all educate ourselves to not to be racial based in everything and every sector, be it public or even private. Why? it's simply because the government/public and private works together to move the economy of the country. It's a cycle. So u can't just have policies for part of the cycle..these policies of having equality has to be implimented for the whole cycle! Can u see where i'm coming from? Every activity that happens in this country affects everything..again..it's a whole cycle that ties everything.

So if u have 70% of non-muslims in the private and also 70% of non-muslims in the government, does that justify the ratio of the country's population? Now what would u do if u are the leader of this country?? a leader that is responsible for muslims and also non-muslims??

Off course we want to be multiracial, but it's not going to be easy. So now,the whole nation (muslims& non-muslims/ private and government) has to work together
to make sure the whole country moves forward in a balance way! The NEP proves that it didn't work the way it should, so lets find a way that would promote fair and balance nation.

For non-muslims, u want the government to give fair and balance opportunities, where at the same time u know very well that the government is just not doing that simply because the muslims are doing really bad in economy. So being experts in economic activities, please help the muslims to be experts as well! jangan kedekut sangat ilmu buisiness tu! help the muslims, after all we are all saying that muslims and non-muslims are brothers and sisters aight??

I can bet on my life that the government will give everything to the non-muslims if the non-muslims give everything to help the muslims be on par with them in everything else that's happening in this country!

p/s: UMNO sucks big time because they dont help the muslims, they enrich themeselves only! that's the problem
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written by glock17, May 31, 2008 20:51:54
b]Its is no secret the pack between Abeem, KiMA under Omnoputras only raise strengthen that racism is alive and well in Boleh Land. Our fear finally has been answered about Abiem :-

1) Encourage any discriminative policies that push non-Islam minorities youth into further failures in their future.

2) This group gollowers are racist.

3) They thrived on narrow-minded and blind ethno ultra nationalism

4) Racist-corruptive discriminative law against minorities are welcome.

May God curse this evil monkees to eternal hell.

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written by chipon, May 31, 2008 20:56:04
By the way, ABIM is not UMNO. They are in fact one of Anwar Ibrahim's biggest machinery that brought him to where he is at the moment. All the inside people in BN, opposition parties (as well), Government, police and military that provide inside information/intelligence to Anwar all these while are former ABIM people. They maintained net-working among themeselves.
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written by cheemengwong, May 31, 2008 20:57:27
I am Amazed what Pete wrote. It is true. All is true!!!

Many Christians are in the same boat as Muslims. They talk but don't walk the talk. Pastors preached righteousness but do otherwise! Many in town. Walk into some churches and check your yourself.

There are pastors who collects offerings from students, widows, the poor and use it to buy first class air tickets to go everywhere. There is one who stays in Tropicana and insists being paid a salary of RM 40,000 a month. Drives a Rover and has Merc. and other cars. Occupationsmilies/tongue.gifastor. Likes to be call a Reverend, Apostle. Prophet.

Christians needs to wise up too. See the fruits of the pastors. Don't just listen to their mumbo jumbo. See their lifestyle.

The Buddhists are no different!

Buddha gave up everything worldly things to find Nirvana! Today many Buddhist goes to temple to pray for riches and prosperity. Something is wrong here!

I follow Tok Guru Nik Aziz's lifestyle better!
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written by Surich, May 31, 2008 21:17:41
When are we going to talk about nation building? talk talk talk politic and Malaysia goes to dog.
Can't we learn from Singaporean ministers. talk only nation building.
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written by Surich, May 31, 2008 21:22:32
If UMNO has its way, it will issue coupon for subsidized petrol and rice to UMNO members or Muslim ONLY.
Watch my words.
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written by nafis, May 31, 2008 21:45:45
"umno's interests"

"party's interests"

the amno thinks these statements equal "Islam's interests" or "muslims' interests"

they think the rakyat is stupid enough to equate their perjuangan parti equals perjuangan Islam

that's why they are so screwed up until now dan selamanya smilies/grin.gif
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written by merchant222, May 31, 2008 22:01:22
Azhar, you can go on and be loyal to UMNO. But what you don't understand is that UMNO IS IRRELEVANT today. It's either you be loyal to Malaysians or you die with UMNO...Kah,Kah,Kah!

Khairul, another stupid fella. You want to know why it is A NECESSITY to increase the scholarship from 10% to 45%? Be'cos UMNO with you stupid shits around with die of cancer in the next election. Another reason is, if it not done, a bigger round of "brain-drain" will occur. When that happens, Malaysia is left with only STUPID shits like you from ABIM and UMNO running a going to be shit country. Kah,Kah,Kah! You are a bird-brain leader.
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written by goman2k3, May 31, 2008 22:25:09
Agreed with cheemengwong that Tok Guru Nik Aziz life style as a muslim political leader is right as well as YB LKS as leader of DAP. Now they both control states and we hope the results will be better than the BN. PAS has done well in Kelantan even without much help from the Federal government compare to the rich oil resource state of Trengganu which is poorer than Kelantan. Kelantan should fight for the gas resource in the JDA area which rightfully belong to the kelantanese. I hope the PAS will ask the experts to look into the state rights on the JDA gas producing areas.
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written by goman2k3, May 31, 2008 22:32:05
UMNO use Islam for political gains but most muslims now are slowly understands that UMNO is not Islam as shown by the result of GE12.
GE 13 will be the end of UMNO as the government but could be sooner. Wake UP muslim brothers and Malaysia will be a better place for the next generation. Think of the future and the future starts today and not tomorrow.
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written by panca, May 31, 2008 22:41:48
Sad but true to the core that these goons and so called 'respected' holy-than-thou man of god preachers, who would without second thought,lie for a slightest misdeeds using religious forms to cover another already exposed lies(highly doubtable and disputable issues). The people who can think will find their religious statements ridiculously way below normal IQ.

We cannot discount the similarity traits, the likes of conmen, tricksters, cheapskates cum cheaters in a orchestrated scam by this clogged brains species, shunned by the People.

How we wish they could be flushed out in the septic, diminished or even vanished from our community so that the nation can progress properly.
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written by Milo, May 31, 2008 23:04:31
ABIM = Association of Bullshiting & Imbecile Muslims

A bunch who are a disgrace to all true muslims!
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written by br_teacher, May 31, 2008 23:08:37
GREAT RPK!!!
As most of us are not muslims and we were unable to cite clauses from the holi book...and it must be seditious claimed by the bullshit gomen. smilies/tongue.gif
It had been so long for the bn/amno goons using these religious issue to control the muslims thinking in this region...most fanatic compare to muslim in other countries...we all know indonesia and china both have more muslim than malaysia...
But these bullshit muslim taicoons in malaysia always claimed to be the forefront of all muslim in the world...are they practising the real islam???
They just simply use islam to control people mind...since islam is the royal religious and can not be questioned...just let these goons to behave as keTUANan Melayu alike in this country!!! smilies/angry.gif
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written by madtrix, May 31, 2008 23:10:31
Another gem from RPK !
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written by SotPlug, May 31, 2008 23:18:54
Now that we had confirmed that we have a Timbalan Perdana Menteri who might one day choose his political party over our beloved country Malaysia (since he said "party's interests above all else"), we should arrest him under ISA as he is obviously a potential danger to the point of our country's very own existence.
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written by Sarjan Hasan, May 31, 2008 23:27:02
Azhar said he had expected other Umno assemblymen to receive similar offers. "They can make us the offer as many times as they want but we will not accept them. We will continue to remain loyal to the party," he said.

Do if for the country la ..not umno!!!Nowender Umno is in trouble. Ahli-ahli Umno punya thinking pon ini macam.Umno is destroying our country. Buat malu bangsa che aja..chis!
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written by Taiping60, May 31, 2008 23:40:53
I believe religion is a very private thing. When one attempted to associate with it publicly one should not blame us from be suspisious of the intention. In my opinion, if one is good, it comes from the heart and nothing can change that. Similarly if one is bad, it also comes from the heart and believe me nothing can change that too. So for those who want to use religion to disguise their true self, we ask you to cut those craps and start doing good things.

My wish is for all politicians to dissociate politics from religions. My wish is for Malaysia to do away the law that force all Malay to be Muslims. Give all Malaysians the freedom of choice of the religions. And that freedom should also be extended to all Malays wherever they are. It has been proven over and over again, FORCE never bring positive development. Base on what RPT has preached in MT, I am sure if you were to give him the freedom to choose religion, he will without hesitation choose to be a muslim. I am sure many will do the same and the same apply to those devotees in other religions.

I know some of the Politicans out there will argue that there are many countries worse of than us. No arguing about that. But then why should be compare with worst, why not comparing with the best. I believe it takes a great man or woman to have the courage to make such change. Until that happen, what we have now is just a dream.
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written by apa jadi, June 01, 2008 00:19:09
RPK,

Bullseye on these bullshits goolies! Well done with your dart.
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written by generalhonest, June 01, 2008 00:35:29
Dear RPK,
My salutations to you. I worry for you though, for you say things that many of us only dare to think about but not speak of in Malaysia. I fear that UMNO and ABIM will not let you off so easily for your expose of their hypocritical ways.

I have many muslim friends from middle east (Jordan, Lebanon, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Palestine etc etc) while I was in US some 20years ago. In fact, one of my best friends is a Muslim from Jordan and we are best of friends because we respected each other despite our religious and racial differences. Never at anytime he demonstrated any condescending attitude of being better or holier than I. We were like brothers because we trusted each other. I remember once when I mentioned how lucky I was for something good that just happened to me (forgot what it was..), and he reminded me that it's because "God loves me". That's from a Muslim to a Christian. For him, God is God, and there is only one GOD.......not his Muslim God vs my Christian God.

However, I don't have the same good feeling about many Muslims in Malaysia. Perhaps, it's the fruit of UMNO's propaganda that keeps sowing the seeds of Islamic and Malay supremacy in the minds of the people in order to divide and conquer. Whatever it is, they have been very successful and if it were not for people like RPK, who expose their lies and hypocricy, many less exposed non-Muslims will develop the thinking that Islam is a completely unjust and violent religion.

Therefore, RPK is indeed one rare Gem in this world. A selfless person who dares to speak out when the rest of us are afraid. I