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Sedition is a law that makes it an offence to criticise leaders considered SUPERIOR BEINGS who are exercising a DIVINE (God-given) mandate, who are, in short, BEYOND CRITICISM. Criticising what these leaders do implies either that they are equal to other men/women or that they are accountable for their acts, both equally offensive, and therefore considered a crime under the Sedition law.

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Sedition

Sedition is a crime of creating a revolt, disturbance, or violence against lawful civil authority with the intent to cause its overthrow or destruction. Because it is limited to organising and encouraging opposition to government rather than directly participating in its overthrow, sedition is regarded as falling one step short of the more serious crime of treason. (Britannica Concise Encyclopaedia)

Seditious Libel

In English law, Seditious Libel is a misdemeanour involving the publishing of any words or document, with a seditious intention. "A seditious intention means an intention to bring into contempt or excite disaffection against the government or to promote feelings of ill-will between the classes. If the seditious statement is published, the publisher is guilty of a seditious libel."  [Black, Constitutional Law 543 (2nd edition 1897)]. The law of seditious libel is now severely circumscribed in the United States by the First Amendment to the Constitution. (Law Dictionary)

Sedition in Common Law jurisdictions


Many jurists and scholars consider sedition properly to be an obsolete offence, one no longer valid in purpose or substance. Contemporary case law in common law jurisdictions has clearly established that only an intention to incite violent overthrow of lawfully constituted authority coupled with action(s) likely to achieve the prohibited result could constitute sedition, but even this narrowly defined offence has fallen into disuse.

Laurence W. Maher concludes from his study of sedition in Australia that, “there is almost complete agreement in the common law jurisdictions that sedition should be made obsolete.” Lord Denning is less qualified in his remarks about the offence of Seditious Libel: “The offence of Seditious Libel is now obsolescent. It used to be defined as words intended to stir up violence, that is, disorder, by promoting feelings, of ill-will or hostility between different classes of His Majesty’s subjects. But this definition was found to be too wide. It would restrict too much the full and free discussion of public affairs...So it has fallen into disuse for nearly 150 years. The only case in this century was R. v. Caunt...when a local paper published an article stirring up hatred against Jews. The jury found the editor Not Guilty.”

In a decision of the Supreme Court of Canada, Mr. Justice Rand commented that the crime of Seditious Libel was founded in legal and social beliefs no longer held: “The crime of Seditious Libel is well-known to the Common Law. Its history has been thoroughly examined and traced by Stephen, Holdsworth and other eminent legal scholars and they are in agreement both in what it originally consisted and in the social assumptions underlying it. Up to the end of the 18th century it was, in essence, a contempt in words of political authority or the actions of authority. If we conceive of the governors of society as superior beings, exercising a divine mandate, by whom laws institutions and administrations are given to men to be obeyed, who are, in short, beyond criticism, reflection or censure upon them or what they do implies either an equality with them or an accountability by them, both equally offensive.”

Although there are some differences amongst scholars as to the exact origins of the offence, all agree that this offence came into being during a period when the divine right of rulers was not only accepted but believed to be necessary, when the rulers who dispensed laws were largely above question and criticism, and when criticism of rulers was considered sinful as well as unlawful. Some date the genesis of sedition from the Statute of Westminster, 1275, 3 Edw. I, c. 34. (repealed in 1887). De Scandalis Magnatum created penalties for publishing ‘false’ news or other statements that could create discord between the Ruler and his subjects. The language was broad and unrestrained,“...that from henceforth none be so hardy to tell or publish any false news or Tales, whereby discord, or accession of discord or slander may grow between the King and his people, or the Great Men of the Realm.”

Others date the original offence of Seditious Libel from l606, when the Chief Justice of the Star Chamber laid down in De Libellis Famosis, some defining characteristics of this offence. The Court of Star Chamber was created by Henry VII in 1487 to combat the evils of feudal anarchy and was the chief institutional tool by which the Tudors restored the authority of the national courts and repressed baronial disorder. One of the tools of the Star Chamber was censorship, a particular concern with the advent of printing. When the Court of Star Chamber was abolished in 1641, Seditious Libel continued as an offence in the common law courts.

The language used in De Libellis Famosis is strikingly similar to Malaysia’s Sedition Act: intention was irrelevant as was absence of actual harm. Truth, according to Lord Coke, was not a defence because truth could be more injurious to the King or Ruler than fiction. In l606, Seditious Libel could be punished by imprisonment, fine, pillorying or loss of ears. These antecedents to the Sedition Act bestowed powers that were sweeping enough to be used arbitrarily by Rulers not accountable to ordinary citizens with none of the balancing of state powers and individual rights, nor the legal protections necessary to maintain that balance which have become cornerstones of modern democracy.

The fact that sedition has often been used as a political tool and not for a legitimate public purpose is another factor contributing to its repudiation by common law courts. Authors, Gitobu Imanyara and Kibe Mungai, when reviewing Kenya’s now repealed Sedition Act, observed: "Sedition was always a political, rather than a criminal, offence. Thus, there was no vigorous effort on the part of the government to prove the culpability of an accused in court.” In England, sedition survived only as a common law offence of Seditious Libel and prosecutions since the Reform Act of 1832 have been rare. The last conviction in England for Seditious Libel occurred in 1909. This was a prosecution of the printer of the Indian Socialist, a publication that advocated independence for India.

The last prosecution for Seditious Libel initiated by the English crown was in l947 and this prosecution ended in an acquittal. In l991, a private individual sought to compel a magistrate to issue a summons for Seditious Libel and blasphemy based on the book Satanic Verses, against both the author, Salman Rushdie, and the printer. The Queen’s Bench Division, on judicial review of the magistrate’s refusal to issue the summons, found as a fact that Satanic Verses contained passages that promoted hostility and ill-will amongst the Queen’s subjects and had caused the breakdown of diplomatic relations between Britain and Iran, but did not disclose an intention to incite violence against constituted authority. The Court of Queen’s Bench unanimously upheld the magistrate’s ruling that the prosecution for sedition could not proceed.

Lord Justice Watkins, giving judgment for the Court, relied on the statement of law contained in the decision of the Supreme Court of Canada in Boucher v. The King and stated that:“…the seditious intention upon which a prosecution for Seditious Libel must be founded is an intention to incite to violence or to create public disturbance or disorder against the sovereign or the institutions of Government. Proof of an intention to promote feelings of ill-will and hostility between different classes of subjects do not alone establish a seditious intention. Not only must there be proof of an incitement to violence in this connection, but it must be violence or resistance or defiance for the purpose of disturbing constituted authority, meaning some person or body holding public office or discharging some public function of the state.”

In Canada, no prosecutions for sedition have been initiated for over 50 years. The original Criminal Code sedition offence was based partly on the 1879 English Draft Code, itself a codification of the law of seditious libel prior to 1879. The last prosecution for sedition in Canada (Boucher v. The King) targeted a member of the Jehovah Witness religion, prosecuted for urging people to protest against the Quebec government’s ‘mob rule and Gestapo tactics’ by obedience to god. The Supreme Court of Canada set aside Mr. Boucher’s conviction and observed that the courts in all countries had rejected criminality based on the mere creation of ‘disaffection’, ‘discontent’, ‘ill-will’, or ‘hostility’.

(Lawyers' Right Watch Canada)

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written by freedom lover, May 11, 2008 | 12:09:44
Raja Azlan Syah is not an ordinary sultan. In fact amongst all the sultans in Malaysia,he is the only one who is well verse with Malaysian laws (be it jungle or otherwise). He should in all fairness, come out in the open and challenge Karpal, if Karpal has defined the legal aspects wrongly. Instead the Badawi government has taken its seditious-trooper role and is trying to charge him with sedition! In fact this is undermining the role of Sultan Azlan Syah. This is undermining the intelligence of the sultan! This is insulting the sultan! Badawi has committed treason!

REMEMBER PM ABDULLAH, WE TOO CAN SPEAK YOUR LANGUAGE OF THE JUNGLE!


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written by ttsan, May 11, 2008 | 12:10:40
Tell them to stick this SEDITIOUS ACT up their ass
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written by dperantauan, May 11, 2008 | 12:15:51
Malaysia Baru bermula Rabu ini?
www.dperantauan.com
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written by kuccat88, May 11, 2008 | 12:17:58
Thank you for educating people like myself who are not well verse in the Law. Now that I understood a little I cannot understand how your article is SEDITIOUS
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written by ez24get, May 11, 2008 | 12:19:33
These are the comments picked up in the MSM at the Lingamgate royal commission:-

Last Chief Justice - Fairuz
I have written to the Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, Deputy Prime Minister Najib Abdul Razak and Minister in the Prime Minister's Department Mohd Nazri Aziz…. I’m innocent, the video was a fabrication and a slander !

Lingam was bragging…

Prominent Lawyer - Lingam
It looks like me and it sounds like me… but it wasn’t Fairuz on the other side of the line.

My brother is of unsound mind…

AG – Abdul Gani Patail
There were no criminal elements in the video clip and that Lingam’s conversation was a ‘monologue’ in nature.

ACA
Lingam forgot his phone numbers and therefore I couldn’t obtain his mobile phone number….

I asked Fairuz whether Lingam had telephoned him and Fairuz replied he had not. Therefore I did not check further…. (by Chuah Lay Choo)

Instead of checking on Lingam and Fairuz, ACA harassed and threatened Anwar by “name source or face jail” and whistleblower Loh Mui Fah.

The ACA gave me $3,000…(Lingam Ex-secretary, Jeyanthi)

Previous Chief Justice - Eusoff
I accidentally bumped into Lingam in New Zealand and coincidentally on the same flight, van and visit itinerary with Lingam… (on the infamous NewZealand holiday)

Ex-Prime Minister - Dr M
I couldn’t remember…. I don’t have to explain why…

Ex-Tourism Minister - Adnan
Lingam is either mad or drunk…

Ex-Law Minister - Nazri
My press officer gave me the wrong information on Witness Protection Bill … (on his ignorance that the bill had not been passed in Parliament)

They are all crazy lawyers….(on the Bar Council 2,000 lawyers march)

What crises? I don’t see any.…

Because I’m his minister …. (on why he replied on behalf of Fairuz and his ignorance of the separation of the legislative and judiciary)…


People not familiar with Malaysia would be totally amazed to see this very elaborate web of deceit and conspiracies made by people of high places from the Prime Ministers, Ministers, Chief Justices, Judges, Attorney General, ACA, PDRM, Lawyers to Prominent businessmen!

Judging from the above extensive inter-link of people of power and the many government departments across the board, any legal issues could easily be twisted to suit the powers-to-be and the accused dispatched to jail in an instant!

For that matter does RPK, Karpal Singh or the Bandar Mahkota Cheras residents or anybody not politically connected ever have a chance in court?

You have a Prime Minister who has ursurped the power of the judiciary and executive and had given an order for the police and the AG to expedite the case.

What chance has the common people got?

May god protect over the common, non-politically connected citizens of Malaysia!
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written by turun padang, May 11, 2008 | 12:19:46
hehehee....

Seem like we are attending a sedition 101 class on this sunday afternoon.

good research you have there RPK, well done..
(i guess even lawyer by pratice will have to consult you on this topic now)
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written by jchew, May 11, 2008 | 12:20:20
No one is above the law in Malaysia! Only the currupted law makers are!
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written by yy88, May 11, 2008 | 12:31:14
Since when the UMNO thieves have began to protect the consitutional role of the Sultans. The traitors turn chameleon to be the saviours.Hypocrisy and 'Batu-Apism' at play.
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written by miwaki, May 11, 2008 | 12:38:11
The problem with our country is we are having law of the jungle for the ordinary people and another set of common law for another group of people.Whichever way,the ordinary people lose !
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written by malsia1206, May 11, 2008 | 12:39:27
RPK can write all he wants on what sedition is all about. The end game is UMNO has no other viable option to tackle him head-on except to throw the spanner. Those politicians and many others are just beggars under the guise of the Barisan to rob the nation and suck the rakyat dry. And RPK happens to be in their way. Simple analysis but that's how it goes. So the rakyat must join hands and send them all to hellllllllllll.
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written by Frankfurtguy, May 11, 2008 | 12:41:08
let pakatan rakyat take over the government, then use sedition law and ISA to put these shitting useless people into Kamunting, let them taste it!! these scumbags are just shit!! they forgot about who they will meet after their last breath!!
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written by Motherchell, May 11, 2008 | 12:47:59
""""""""If we conceive of the governors of society as superior beings, exercising a divine mandate, by whom laws institutions and administrations are given to men to be obeyed, who are, in short, beyond criticism, reflection or censure upon them or what they do implies either an equality with them or an accountability by them, both equally offensive.”"""""""'

If the most developed Legal Societies in the world can explain so well the flaws of Sedition when it was written by a DEVIL that wanted to devour both sides of the coin.
Is Malaysia some country on planet IVORY ???,so special with all the deviant barks of the so called Powers that be ??????? the funny thing is we look developed , smell developed but stink filth!!!!.
I fully agree with what Freedom Lover says in the first blog here.

Time to take the Fascists and bigots into a Land without Oxygen !!!
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written by K W Waran, May 11, 2008 | 12:48:52

Dearest YM RPK,

Sir, You should be CORDIALLY (I stress the word here) invited with due respect due to a Royalty, of course, to give some tutorial on the Methodologies Of Interpretation Of The Law to the AG and the esteemed learned members of the AG's Chambers. But, you may probably have go on a snail's pace, because they are a bit slow in catching up.

I know the situation of having to fight for one's right as a matter of principle, for yours truly have had the experience of having to shake the pillars of The University of London, External Law Programme in the mid 90's to justify my rights, and here using their own rules and regulations, but that's a different story.

Your untiring efforts, my good Sir, is all the more Mammoth and Gargantuan, for you are fighting for our Nation and Our rights all these years at your own cost. Well, you'll never walk again alone, for the Rakyat are Wholly and Fully behind you as you have witnessed yourself.

You may not have a licence to practice Law, but BOY, when you speak/write of the LAW, it makes many a legal eagle sit upright and take notice.

Thank you very much, Sir. If this is what you can come up with while still recuperating from your recent ordeal, we are anxiously waiting, awaiting the articles that's coming soon as your fully recover. Take Care and God Bless.

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written by densemy, May 11, 2008 | 12:50:58
Many of the people in the streets consider sedition properly to be an obsolete offence, one no longer valid in purpose or substance.

... and dont you just love the way that UMNO clings to the more odious aspects of the British Rule over Malaysia... the Sedition Act, the ISA

Meanwhile they reject all that is good that the British brought to Malaysia... a fair judicial system, an open and liberal education system a police force that works for the people etc etc etc
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written by Motherchell, May 11, 2008 | 12:53:30
What a pity !, In alaysia we have a brain dead AG, to advice the powers that be , even Steven Hawkings has done more for humanity with all his handicaps.

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written by mendela, May 11, 2008 | 12:54:17
Pete, I think it is high time we bloggers start to help Karpal.
He has been left alone to fight the sedition charges made by the UMOputras all by himself. I heard there were at least 8 charges from different UMOputras.

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written by Motherchell, May 11, 2008 | 12:56:01
apologies --- when one types in frustration and fume we get typo errors , sorry guys, --- my above should read ---"In Malaysia ..........
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written by Spear Bing, May 11, 2008 | 13:01:11
Putting the subject matter of Sedition Act 1948 aside,and its legal interpretation and implication per se, Malaysians should by now able to size up and come to terms the inherently, deeply embedded culture and sub-cultures of PDRM, its value system, and its modus operandi.

All over the world, it is the standard perception that the police force has its baggage of bad apples with their sweaty palms greezed in corruption and involving dehumanized physical torture of innocent or guilty citizens/immigrants, whether proven or unproven.

'PEACE HILL' must once and for all take a critical look and perhaps conduct a SWOT' analysis of its management and administration, and in the perfomance of the personnel's duties. Just to name a few incidences, DSAI's black eye incident, Malik Hussein's waterboading torture and alleged 'forced to eat dog-shit'dehumanizing act by the police, RPK's physical abuse by the CID Director Bakri Zirin, the recent physical abuse of Assemblyman of Segambut, the trespassing of private home of an ex-UMNO youth leader in Pahang, and many unreported incidents.

There is also a perceived viewpoint that the IGP is seen to be working in cahoot and collusion with the AG over certain highly controversial alleged acts of crime, based upon the sighting of sworn statements and certified documents and affidavits.

As someone has mentioned, this is the technology of fear being embarked by PEACE HILL. Of course, it is still confined to the baggage of bad apples intent on enriching themselves through incorrigible means.

PEACE HILL has to earn the respect of the citizens by returning to its legitimate duty - to protect and maintain law and order NOT by abusing its powers but adhering to the Standard Operating Procedures, NOT by using dehumanized acts of torture and physical abuse, but by respecting human rights and civil liberties and engaging in rationality and constraint - for the citizens do not possess such deadly weapons that the police is being equiped with - including the C4.

Only the fearless one like RPK can walk this fearful path of justice and truth.
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written by The Iceman, May 11, 2008 | 13:02:22
It is a travesty of justice when the Attorney-General who is supposed to be above politics is directly ordered by the top politician in the country to charge another politician for making his views known. Desperate people do desperate things especially when they feel the noose is tightening and want to cling on to power and the fringe benefits power brings.
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written by teo siew chin, May 11, 2008 | 13:15:02
Dear Yang Mulia Raja Petra

hmmmm looks like the prosecution may not even be able to establish a prima facie case against you.
unless there is some way to recycle a used mattress ...
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written by FFT, May 11, 2008 | 13:27:32
So in conclusion, what is going on here is that BN in general, and Najib & Rosmah specifically, consider themselves to be divine beings.

Now if there really were a God, he would smote them all with a collective strike of lightning. smilies/grin.gif
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written by sampalee, May 11, 2008 | 13:34:19
Karpal is not wrong,but he should avoid msm and learn to respect our sultan.Just as when we speak to our parents,we used proper appeal to allow them to see any mistakes or misunderstanding and we do not go public.KS have caused alot of embarressment to PR playing to msm[an extension of bn]
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written by FFT, May 11, 2008 | 13:44:22
written by teo siew chin, May 11, 2008 | 13:15:02
hmmmm looks like the prosecution may not even be able to establish a prima facie case against you.
unless there is some way to recycle a used mattress ...


Oh, please don't tell me it was that Indonesian transvestite. smilies/shocked.gif
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written by The dragonheart, May 11, 2008 | 13:48:46
If sedition is to be an obsolete offense, meaning its ok to do it even if it create hatred among citizens?

I am just wondering with the paradigm of the Malaysian citizen today... mayb e Canadian are different breed of people...
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written by Eskay Lim, May 11, 2008 | 13:55:16
With all those "idiotic & moronic characters" in the Police, ACA, the AG's office and the Judiciary working under strict orders of the "sleeping cabinet", anything can happen.

Very soon we will be at par with countries like Zimbabwe, Uganda & Burma.
All practising the "Laws of the Jungle"
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written by teo siew chin, May 11, 2008 | 14:04:11
"Oh, please don't tell me it was that Indonesian transvestite."
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!
honestly FFT - methinks you can give Borat a run for the money.
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written by panca, May 11, 2008 | 14:08:18
YB Karpal did not challenge the powers of the ruler, he states his point from a legal view.

If those who really are challenging the Rulers, they are umno. They have dismantle the powers of the rulers and that powers-that-be cannot deny being part of it, they continue to refuse to reinstate in the constitution of the monarchy. Now the PM and the whole wasteful of them are playing dirty racial politics under the pretext of protecting the name of Rulers. umno is the "ruler'.

Imbecilies have many names. Fkg-shameful!

Let me say the Fed. Govt(esp. The Prime Minister Ahmad Abdullah Badawi) is responsible for the death of ALTANTUYA. It has made no headway into this high profile case. The Mongolian hold Malaysian responsible and the world is the witness of such sloppy investigation and going no way. Isn't the PM responsible for Altantuya's Death?!

He(pm) should make a strong statement that The Murderers of ALTANTUYA be sent to Gallow but kept his elegant silence. The Rakyat hold him responsible and the country is down the drain. But he chooses to ask Karpal to be quickly investigated which every right thinking Malaysians know he is bull of revenge from the bed sore of March 08.

Mr PM Please make a strong statement that the Murderers be sent to the Gallow and The AG Gani Pa-tail immediately instruct full investigation without fear or 'favours'.
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written by ayfy, May 11, 2008 | 14:32:12
There is nothing seditious about Karpal's point of view. He has given his point of view from a legal perspective. If there was an opposing view then the nation's leaders should explain their view arguing it from a legal standpoint. It is sad that in this time and age we have leaders who still threaten the rakyat and wakil rakyat with archaic and draconian laws for giving their point of view. Talking about reforming the judiciary, leaders should take the lead in law reforms as well. Don't carry on sleeping. Now is the time. What say you Zaid? I'm sure you are not asleep. Please take the lead.
RPK's case is another example of shutting up the rakyat. If the persons mentioned in his writing are aggrieved, there is the law of defamation as a civil remedy. Why use the state to prosecute, again using the archaic and draconian laws?
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written by Sagaladoola, May 11, 2008 | 14:34:26
I will probably vote for Pakatan Rakyat in the next election. They say they will repeal this stupid act called Sedition Act.
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written by oknyua, May 11, 2008 | 14:35:45
ez24get, you think abdullah ahmad badawi reads your comment.

Any PM called a man would need the assistance of the doctor after reading your comment. The whole bunch survive through deceits and lies and lies. He knows it but his conscience all gone already because he himself perennial liar.
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written by ayfy, May 11, 2008 | 14:38:08
Tie a yellow ribbon for RPK and Syed Akbar Ali.

You can tie a yellow ribbon on your gate, car door handle, wiper blade, aerial etc. Let’ show support for RPK. Go out and buy a roll of yellow ribbon and cut into shorter strips and pass around to your friends, neighbours and office colleagues to do the same.

Let Saturdays be a yellow T-shirt day. Go shopping in yellow T-shirt. Take a stroll at Dataran Merdeka in the evenings in yellow T-shirt as a sign of peaceful protest.

Let's do these until the October hearing.

Pass the message on to as many as you can -word of mouth, sms, email.
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written by muddie, May 11, 2008 | 14:40:13
Thx for the info!
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written by aryn, May 11, 2008 | 14:44:08
Wah!

All of us are speaking seditiously here for voicing our opinions.

Or maybe, we are children of a lesser God? Wah!
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written by cheemengwong, May 11, 2008 | 15:00:07
Pete, you mean to say the Sedition Act 1948 is really that old and obsolete?

Now maybe after reading this, those in power and those who wants to be in power knows what to do next. No point hanging to the old sarong that can be torn any minute and expose yourself.

Get rid of this old sarong and buy a new one!!!

Pete, you could be making history by being the first again to initiate the doing away with this old Act in Malaysia. Hope it gains momentum. With so many laws to contend with, the useless ones must be thrown away and no one should be bothered with it.

Maybe someone should introduce Unfair Laws for the commoner like us who are put in difficult position by those in power.

Pete, you have written well with so short time to recover. Well Done. Keep it coming brother!!!

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written by Rhan, May 11, 2008 | 15:00:47
Good. Karpal Singh case will tell us whether Ketuanan Malayu or Ketuanan Rakyat is here to stay, and will give some wake up call to some of this PR supporters when PAS and PKR totally keep their mouth shut and DAP auntie is now busy looking for fault of ladies.
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written by Navigator, May 11, 2008 | 15:41:12
The key word of the definition of "sedition" is "government". RPK's article was about Najib and Rosmah as individuals, not the government. It has to do with individual criminality, not government overthrow. How confused can they get? How does "sedition" come in?
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written by malaysian2008, May 11, 2008 | 17:21:52
"Sedition is a crime of creating a revolt, disturbance, or violence against lawful civil authority with the intent to cause its overthrow or destruction. Because it is limited to organising and encouraging opposition to government rather than directly participating in its overthrow, sedition is regarded as
falling one step short of the more serious crime of treason. (Britannica Concise Encyclopaedia)"

YAng Arif RPK,
can we use this act against BN's comment on People elected five PR state govt.???
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written by trimalnash, May 11, 2008 | 17:40:38
Sedition mean;
conduct or
speech inciting people to rebel
against the authority

But our PM dont even know what is sedition in bahasa melayu, on live speech he is asking what is sedition to muhidin yasin
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written by temanmu, May 11, 2008 | 18:18:47
The dinosaur BN govt is using a dinosaur law to fight the Pakatan.

So desperate they are they have to resort to throwing legal "stones". Better go back to the Stone Age!
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written by The_Russian_Brothers, May 11, 2008 | 18:42:35
I belief that pete will be made a good Attorney General compared to Gani Patail or i suggest he should be made a Minister of Law or Home Minister
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written by bebas2lawat, May 11, 2008 | 19:25:27
Tks. for the brief LAW 101. Its clear that the powers that be think that they have a divine right to rule albeit even by the skin of their teeth.Well its clear what we as the Rakyat must do come the next general election.Hint!! HINT!! smilies/wink.gif
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written by Ben, May 11, 2008 | 19:31:22
Certainly a travesty of justice when we read,"Kita akan hantar kertas siasatan itu (kepada Timbalan Pendakwaraya) dalam tempoh dua atau tiga hari ini kerana kita akan cuba selesaikan siasatan seberapa segera seperti yang Perdana Menteri Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi inginkan," katanya kepada pemberita hari ini.

If only they could react that fast in an attempted murder case. Even God is not happy with their performance.

Please join me in congratulating the truly brave Malaysian Rakyat who willingly join forces to nab the attempted murderer of Lee Hui Fun in Jalan Ipoh last Friday evening. They apprehended him and got him to admit " saya bunuh satu orang saja".

Let's see if the police rewards them publicly or just sweep it under the carpet. It must be embarassing for them to harass Rakyat while the murderers are loose in the streets, only to realise Rakyat help them do their jobs. Let's hope they don't bungle in prosecuting this case where the bloodstained handbag was found in the handbag, admission of guilt in front of many witnesses.
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written by mgeo, May 11, 2008 | 20:00:39
In addition to his 7 lawyers, RPK has now boned up on the law. I feel sorry for certain people.

Sedition is a legal euphemism for what Mao crudely expressed as "Power comes out of the barrel of a gun." It was beloved of the colonial powers. Just ask the Scots, Welsh and Irish what they think of it.

Most ancient rulers impressed their subjects by claiming "divine right" and "descent from the Sun". If the latter were true, then the ancient rulers of Japan, some Indian states, France, England, Sumeria, Incas, etc. are all related.
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written by Free Malaysia, May 11, 2008 | 21:30:23
Whoever murdered and gave the order to kill Altantuya will end up in hell.
Is this seditious?
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written by benjamin, May 11, 2008 | 21:44:55
God Save Malaysia, when they opposed and demostrated against the Agong in T'ganu, is alright because they are from ummo. There are 2 sets of law in MALAYSIA, must be very very carefull. ordinary citizen, or for the matter law abiding citizen, are not protected at all if they go against them.LETS THINK ABOUT IT. GOD SAVE MALAYSIA!
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written by nowinnofee, May 11, 2008 | 22:29:31
rpk,

this drama that Mr and Mrs C4 and family have produced---- stinks to the ceiling high, they should be awarded for the best pong of the century
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written by lakshy, May 11, 2008 | 22:56:53
So shouldn't TDM also be charged with sedition for attacking PL? Wonder who is more important in the country, PL or DPM?
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written by Areyaar, May 11, 2008 | 22:59:26
"written by mendela, May 11, 2008 | 12:54:17

"Pete, I think it is high time we bloggers start to help Karpal.
He has been left alone to fight the sedition charges made by the UMOputras all by himself. I heard there were at least 8 charges from different UMOputras."

Yes. Unless one is wrong, it seems that Pakatan Rakyat been keeping quiet on this matter. Is this going to be the face of the party in the future? No talk and no action??

Also, if that controversial road block (that is causing Bandar Mahkota Cheras residents so much heartache), is in fact on state land, why has the NEW Selangor State Government not yet taken action on it? Either it is on state land or it is not, and if it is on state land then why has it not been removed? Where is their stand on this matter?

Better still, what punishment will/should be levied on those who forcibly put it there if it was not their land to put it on? Also, what puzzles the mind and raises many questions, is if the barrier is illegal, how come the authorities punished the residents for voicing what could well be their right to protest? Who authorised the show of force? And why??

Will we get answers to legitimate questions??
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written by power2u, May 11, 2008 | 23:00:29
Well Pete ,your analysis of sedition is from a legal point of view. BUT the problem with idioctic BN gov is ,to them sedition means anything that opposition says or do that may threaten to expose their criminal n corrupt practices n which may undermine their position n authority (not undermine stability of country).
To them the S edition Act is the perfect weapon (like C4) to ISA off or to C4 of all Pakatan leaders.
Therefore I believe that the country needs not just good laws but GOOD PEOPLE to run the governing of the country...n for this nation the good people can only come from Pakatan.So DSAI pls hurry up.
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written by cheekhiaw, May 12, 2008 | 00:02:08
WHAT IS SEDITION IN SYARIA?

I thought some people claims Malaysia is an Islamic country.

In that case, why copy from the infidels?

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written by little dragon, May 12, 2008 | 00:25:08
In l606, Seditious Libel could be punished by imprisonment, fine, pillorying or loss of ears.

loss of ears!!!

pete, did u read dat??? but of course u did. u "wrote" d damn article. funny though dat they chose d ears instead of d tongue or d writing hand (or even both hands for good measure) or in today's context, one's fingers (so cannot type ma.)

too bad v no longer prefer to d privy council. otw, u wud hv won wit one hand tied behind ur back. touche.
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written by Sabahfan, May 12, 2008 | 00:37:51
SEDITION means anything not in favour of UMNO....and umnoputrass

One day, even going to the toilet be considered seditious... ha hah a ha ha haha ha
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written by doggone, May 12, 2008 | 01:41:54
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell English essayist, novelist, & satirist (1903 - 1950).

Malaysia might go to hell if the murderers of Altantuya does not.

doggone.

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written by Malaysian Abroad, May 12, 2008 | 02:10:57
Where is the intention?

An intention is not seditious if the object is to show that the Sovereign has been misled or mistaken in his/her measures, or to point out errors or defects in the government or constitution with a view to their reformation, or to excite the subjects to attempt by lawful means the alteration of any matter in church or state by law established, or to point out, with a view to their removal, matters which are producing, or have a tendency to produce, feelings of hatred and ill-will between classes of the Sovereign's subjects.

...Thus proof of an intention to promote feelings of ill-will or hostility between different classes of subjects does not establish a seditious intention. Not only must there be an incitement to violence in this connection, but it must be violence or resistance or defiance for the purpose of disturbing constituted authority (that is some person or body holding public office or discharging some public function of the state)- taken from Halsbury's Laws of England (Copyright © 2008 LexisNexis Butterworths).
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written by AlexChong, May 12, 2008 | 05:09:42
Only rakyat and rakyat alone can correct the wrongs with one voice and as one nation...
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written by batsman, May 12, 2008 | 09:47:41
UMNO uses a law that is centuries old and obsolete for 150 years to rule Malaysia. This shows how obsolete UMNO is. BTW TQ Great Britain for pushing us back a few centuries.

The sedition law is the legal force behind Ketuanan Melayu. This means that Malays and Malay customs must never be challenged or criticised. This means that Malays are given divine right. To me it smacks of racism and apartheid.

In practice, Malays are abused and treated badly daily and routinely. So this divine right is only reserved for UMNO. Obviously Ketuanan Melayu is just a disguise for Ketuanan UMNO.
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written by Birdbrain, May 12, 2008 | 10:07:00
I think UMNO is insulting the intelligence of the Sultan of Perak. The mentally retarded UMNO members including their President is surprisingly trying to polish the Sultan's shoes.

Maybe they have learnt thier lesson not to show disrespect to the Sultans of Malaysia.

Then restore full rights to the Sultan Sultan Malaysia.

Talk is cheap!
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written by Birdbrain, May 12, 2008 | 10:11:32
DAULAT TUANKU! DAULAT TUANKU! DAULAT TUANKU!

Let the destroyers of the Kesultanan Melayu go to hell!

Who? UMNO!

Too little, too late!
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written by chin, May 12, 2008 | 13:18:33
The sedition act was created by the English aristocratic class a couple of hundred years ago to maintain the order between Masters and Slaves.

Today, the Malaysian government is the biggest advocate of this act. Does this tell you anything about the present government?

The UMNO government behaves like the master class and everyone else are slaves. So is it a big surprise why this act is used so often.

There is no democracy under BN.
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written by daliman, May 12, 2008 | 13:33:36
Is there such a Peoples's Right Watch in Malaysia? I'm just curious. Perhaps a talk from the law practitioners to help the people understands better of the local law.

Watching the parliament in progress to this particular event bores me to hell (The motion brought by LKS in Parliament of late)

RPK, am waiting for part 2. Its such an eye opener to us the least. TQ
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written by Su Dhanoa, May 12, 2008 | 15:42:41
Using the sedition Act on the Rakyat is just like saying - you either support UMNOputra all thro' or you suffer!! No two ways about it - Pick your choice!!
Donkies rule smilies/angry.gif smilies/angry.gif smilies/angry.gif
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written by Athiru, May 12, 2008 | 22:06:11
We have a bunch of idiots who have failed to understand the true meaning of "sedition" - leave alone its practical application in the 21st century. What does a sleepy graduate in hadhari know about legal issues, neither does the taxi-nazri! Its a shame that these so-called learned leaders who are supposed to lead us into the next era are a bunch of fools lacking common sense. Only one dog has to howl and the rest follows suit - real idiots.
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written by *****stail, May 12, 2008 | 22:17:03
Pemimpin kita semua Bodoh!!! takde otak!! nak lawan pun tak berani hanya tahu bising macam anjing!!
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written by Taiping60, May 12, 2008 | 22:54:17
During the Constitutional Crisis, the then Deputy Prime Minister, Ghaffar Baba, said that it is not unlawful to criticise the Rulers.

That does not tantamount to sedition.... at least according to UMNO top guns then.

Now, Kapal Singh merely give his opinion of what is stated in the law.

smilies/cry.gif smilies/cry.gif smilies/cry.gif for Kapal Singh to be charged under sedition act.... according to the defender of the rulers. smilies/sad.gif

Silence from our Law Minister and Bar Council are deafening. Maybe our Sultan of Perak who was once a Lord President himself could clear the air. Don't "hang" the person who speak the truth with guts. The most you could do if he is wrong to correct him. Until and unless he is corrected in the name of law, he will be seen to be correct. I do not want to waste time talking about those opportunists and I suggest all of you put your deaf ears to them.
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written by jeya, May 13, 2008 | 16:50:14
smilies/cool.gif! RPK! Ever since u were "charged" , I have been compiling the LIST of Seditious Matters that we have had to face over the last 22 years & as at date , its 50 pages,single spacing{I know I know - I will condense & no asteriks etc!}. All, I repeat all are matters raised by the Government & Its Officers!But one element has been overlooked - There has to be a COMPLAINANT!Then there must be the first information report{FIR}, then statement taking etc!
Please check out Citizen Nades @ sun2surf Monday 12th., May,2008 "Probing Lessons"
Will be posting the List very shortly!
Cheers! smilies/cool.gif
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