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Posted by Raja Petra   
Wednesday, 06 February 2008 12:44

Today, we have sent copies of THE PEOPLES' VOICE and THE PEOPLES' DECLARATION in both English and Bahasa Malaysia to all the 20 or so political parties that will be contesting the coming general election. It is up to them whether to reject or accept what we have demanded. But if they choose to reject it then they would have to explain why because our demands are legitimate and very credible.

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Raja Petra Kamarudin

It is now official. The Islamic Party of Malaysia (PAS) will be contesting only 60 Parliament seats. Malaysia Today has been saying this for some time now but it appears this figure of 60 is not of much significance to most readers who have chosen to remain emotional about the Islamic State issue even before they start reading what we have to say.

Let us see if the anti-Islam crowd continues to whack PAS. PAS is contesting only 60 out of 222 seats. But PAS will need to win at least 149 seats to command a two-thirds majority in Parliament. Only with this two-thirds majority or 149 seats can PAS amend the Federal Constitution of Malaysia and turn Malaysia into an Islamic State.

In the first place, can PAS even win all the 60 seats it is contesting? At best, it can win only 45 seats. Chances are, though, it will be more like 30 seats, half of what it contests. And that too if the opposition is united and has got its act together. If not, then expect PAS to win less than 20 seats.

The bottom line is, PAS cannot turn Malaysia into an Islamic State. Only Umno can because Barisan Naisonal controls more than two-thirds of the seats in Parliament and Umno decides what Barisan Nasional does. Umno is Barisan Nasional and Barisan Nasional is Umno. There are no two ways about it. And the Chinese, Indian, Kadazan, Dayak, etc., running dogs will wag their tails and lick the hands of their Umno masters like how all good running dogs should behave.

The trouble is, Malaysians consider it their right to speak out. Granted, it is the right of every citizen to express themselves. And it is also the right of every citizen to say something stupid and make fools of themselves. Even Ministers like Nazri and Zam enjoy this right and they certainly exercise this right to the hilt. The only problem is, only we think Nazri and Zam are incoherent and fools to boot. They, on the other hand, imagine themselves as extremely clever in being able to coin 'witty' statements that no others in this world can come up with.

Opposition leaders are not exempted from this syndrome either. This, I normally call the 'if you are so clever then how come I am sitting here instead of you' syndrome. For example, long before the 2004 general election, we already told the opposition leaders -- once during a two-day convention in Melaka -- that the hate-Mahathir 'unity' would be very dangerous to hang on to.

It is not too bad for PAS. PAS is united by love; love for Islam. So those who love Islam would unite under the banner of PAS. DAP and PKR, however, are united by hate. DAP gets its support from the Chinese who hate the Malays-Islam while PKR gets it support predominantly from Malays who hate Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad.

I suppose DAP can always claim that there would be at least some Chinese who will always hate the Malays or Islam, so they will always be assured of winning a spattering of seats. But what if Tun Dr Mahathir suddenly resigns and hands the reins of power to his deputy? Would PKR still be able to harness the hate-Mahathir support seeing that Mahathir is no longer in office?

Come hell or high-water, PAS will always get some level of support as long as there is a religion called Islam still around. But there will not always be a man called Mahathir sitting in the chair of Prime Minister. PKR, therefore, has to build its support not on hate, but just like PAS, on love. But what love factor can PKR start promoting to transform their united-by-hate support into united-by-love?

This was the problem for PKR just like what DAP would face if the Chinese suddenly stop hating the Malays and started hugging and kissing their fellow-Malaysians and call them brother.

PKR was advised to look for a new hate factor and to start shifting the focus away from Mahathir over to this new hate factor. Maybe the target should not be personalities but issues. Stop asking people to hate the person named Mahathir but instead hate the system that is not right. Personalities can come and go but at least if the system has not changed then you would not lose your supporters.

But the 'if you are so clever then how come I am sitting here instead of you' group would not listen. Speech after speech and statement after statement were targeted towards Mahathir. It was not a 'what we can do for the country' campaign but a 'Mahathir is an ass-hole' campaign. The voters were tired of hearing what is wrong with this country and with the leaders who are running it. They know what is wrong. They do not need the opposition to tell them what is wrong. What they wanted to know is what the opposition was going to do about setting things rights.

But, first of all, do we even have an opposition? The opposition is not united. They call themselves Barisan Alternatif (Alternative Front) but there is no 'front'. It is a collection of rag-tag political parties, some mosquito parties, that are always squabbling, refuse to sit at the same table, and have no common name, symbol or agenda. Where is the one party? Where is the one name? Where is the one flag? Where is the one symbol? Where is the one voice? All these were non-existent. In fact, most times the different opposition parties made conflicting statements and rebutted each other rather than rebut the ruling coalition. The opposition was beginning to look like a joke but it was nowhere near funny.

These are not new issues though. As far back as 1999 the voters had already indicated that they wanted change. But they were not prepared to go for change just for the sake of change. It has to be based on credible change. They wanted to see a united opposition. And they wanted proof that the opposition is united by seeing a common name, a common symbol, a common election manifesto, and so on.

But PKR, then PKN, was formed in April and the general election was called barely a few months after that. There was not enough time for the voters to familiarise themselves with a common symbol or common name. Even Barisan Nasional needed three years for the voters to get used to the new name and the new dacing symbol from the old Alliance Party and kapal layar symbol. And Barisan Nasional was the party in power, mind you. What more for the opposition which does not have any air time on TV?

So each party would have to contest under its own name and symbol. Nevertheless, they would at least present a common or joint election manifesto. This would give some resemblance of opposition unity. In time, a common name and symbol could be created and the voters would then be able to choose between two legitimate coalition parties, one in government and the other in the opposition aisle. But that would have to be something for the next election. For the 1999 election the voters would have to be contented with a loose coalition called Barisan Alternatif while each party would contest under its own name and symbol.

But after the 1999 general election the loose opposition coalition did not get formalised. In fact, it broke up when PAS launched the Islamic State Document (ISD) and DAP left the opposition coalition in a huff. Instead of advancing, the opposition was retreating. And the joint election manifesto that the opposition presented to the voters was placed on the shelf to gather dust. It was now insignificant. Yes, it was a beautiful piece of work. But it was of no use to an opposition that not only did not get into office but has taken its own life in an act of hara kiri.

The opposition thought it was better off divorced than married. It won two states in 1999. It denied Barisan Nasional its two-thirds majority in the Kedah State Assembly. And it had 42 seats in Parliament. In 2004, this entire scenario was reversed. The voters punished the opposition for its arrogance. The opposition underestimated the voters and paid for it dearly. Finally, the rakyat proved that they are the boss and the voters demonstrated this by giving the opposition a trouncing.

Yes, the 'if you are so clever then how come I am sitting here instead of you' group are not so clever after all. When the voters spoke they would not listen. They thought they were smarter than the voters. They thought as long as the voters hated those who walk in the corridors of power this would be enough. Let us unite because of hate, hate for the government. And if you hate the government then kick them out and vote us into office instead.

But it is not that easy. The voters' support does not come cheap. It comes with a price. And the price you pay is: we play by our rules, not by yours.

This time around the voters are going to be even more demanding. The voters no longer care about political parties. All political parties are fakes. The voters no longer trust politicians. All politicians are slimeballs and scumbags. The voters want to know only one thing. If we vote for you what do we get? What's in it for us? If we benefit, then we will vote for you. If not, then go to hell. Call us selfish, so what? It is our vote and we can afford to be selfish.

The voters have listened to promises before in 1999 and 2004 and voted based on these promises. In 1999, they voted opposition on the promise of the birth of a new opposition front and probably the emergence of a two-party system in Malaysia. After the election these promises turned to dust. In 2004 they voted ruling party on the promise of a new deal and the emergence of a new post-Mahathir era of prosperity, tolerance, democracy, and all the crap. The opposition did not deliver after the 1999 general election and neither did the ruling party after the 2004 election.

The voters no longer trust politicians. The voters no longer want the political parties to make promises on what they are going to do if we vote them into office. The voters now want to to decide how this country is going to be run and they will extract commitments from those running for office that the voters' wishes would be adhered to.

Malaysia Today, together with various personalities from civil society movements, has come out with two documents called THE PEOPLES' VOICE and THE PEOPLES' DECLARATION. The PDF versions of these documents can be downloaded at the following links.

1a) PEOPLES' VOICE (PDF IN ENGLISH)

1b) PEOPLES' DECLARATION (PDF IN ENGLISH)

2) DEKLARASI RAKYAT (PDF IN BAHASA MALAYSIA)

3) PEOPLES' DECLARATION (PDF IN CHINESE)

Download these documents and print them out and send them to the aspirants who will be contesting in your constituency. Tell them we will vote for them subject to their endorsement of these documents. Tell them we want them to become what they are supposed to be, Wakil Rakyat. Wakil Rakyat means the peoples' representative. They are called Wakil Rakyat because they represent us. And if they represent us then this means that we, the people, are the boss.

The political parties on both sides of the political divide can choose to ignore us. They can reject our demands if they so wish. But they do so at their own peril and at the risk of getting rejected by us.

It no longer matters from which political party our Wakil Rakyat comes from. Be they ruling party or opposition party we don't really care. The only thing we care about is that these people we elect into office understand that they sit in office at our pleasure and to do our bidding. And what pleases us is that they run the country and bring about changes and transformation according to what we have laid out in THE PEOPLES' VOICE and THE PEOPLES' DECLARATION.

In closing, I would like to inform all our readers that, today, we have sent copies of THE PEOPLES' VOICE and THE PEOPLES' DECLARATION in both English and Bahasa Malaysia to all the 20 or so political parties that will be contesting the coming general election. It is up to them whether to reject or accept what we have demanded. But if they choose to reject it then they would have to explain why because our demands are legitimate and very credible. There is nothing we have demanded that should not be demanded. And we have not demanded what we do not deserve. We have only demanded what is our right and what has been guaranteed in the Federal Constitution of Malaysia that was the basis of how we gained Merdeka on 31 August 1957.

HIDUP RAKYAT! LONG LIVE THE RAKYAT! THE PEOPLE ARE THE BOSS!

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written by alan cheong, February 06, 2008 | 12:59:13
it is hate all right, but hatred of injustice.
the fork-tongued maha-hypocrite will not live forever in this world. but WE still need to face and wrangle with his legacies.

WE are united by a love and yearning for JUSTICE.

DAP is NOT anti-islam or anti-malay, they are about anti-injustice, pro-meritocracy. we'll see wot anwar can deliver ... justice- and impartiality-wise.
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written by Melly, February 06, 2008 | 13:11:02
This article makes a lot of sense. For those weary of PAS, give them the benefit of the doubt. If you still don't trust PAS, at least TRUST RPK, I know I do, cos time & again he has proven himself to be true and sincere.
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written by mddanial, February 06, 2008 | 13:24:33
“Yes, the 'if you are so clever then how come I am sitting here instead of you' group are not so clever after all. When the voters spoke they would not listen. They thought they were smarter than the voters.”

Get the “recorded live” details here www.citizenthinktank.com/polit...Itemid=118

And also the reason why the current emperor is ‘haram’
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written by mddanial, February 06, 2008 | 13:35:48
We should refer start them as Yang Berkhidmat rather than Yang Berhormat.
We need to drill their thick skull, knock them to their senses and show them who is their real boss.

I have done and documented many things and have come to a conclusion that we do not need POLITICIANS to run this country !!!!

WAKE UP PEOPLE, our ship is sinking fast !!!


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written by mddanial, February 06, 2008 | 13:38:26
Sorry, it should be .. "We should start referring them as.... "
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written by sampalee, February 06, 2008 | 14:04:27
We can love peace without Having hatred for injustice.HATRED of any kind is undesirable.We can love our friends and enemy alike without any room for hatred.
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written by Wisdom above, February 06, 2008 | 14:35:50
..........' The people are the boss '

The wind of change has come.

It shall sweep throughout the nation positively & effectively.

Miracles & Prophecy will be fulfilled.

Remember, all events happened yesterday & today were all illogical.

' Malaysian Love Malaysian "
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written by Raja Petra, February 06, 2008 | 14:38:12
Dear cruzeiro, why don't you and bumi-non-malay just go vote for Barisan Nasional? That should make you both very happy. I have never seen running dogs cry yet so running dogs must be very happy indeed and I know you too will be happy.
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written by The dragonheart, February 06, 2008 | 14:40:29
To any Muslims who Believe and pious to Allah would have read this verse from the quran:

Surah Al-Anfal (The Spoils of War) verse 53which Says:"This, because God would never change the blessings with which He has graced a people unless they change their inner selves and [know] that God is all-hearing, all-seeing."


Yes, the rakyat are the boss. Only they can change their faith and livelihoods. If we keep on diverting our thoughts into hate and anti this and that, not being holistic... these rakyat will still be like a dog who barks at the mountain... until the cow comes home, nothing will change the mountain.

To make changes, we must do the first thing first. Vote for any opposition who is contesting in your area. When we get the new broom, it will sweep well. and meantime we will have to keep reminding them that the power to change are still in our hands. If they are not smart enough to manage the country in a trustworthy manner, they will get a boot on their butt in the next 5 years.

Lets us be together, not only to deny BN's 2/3 majority but even to deny their simple majority.

Vote for any opposition either for ADUN or MP. Hidup Rakyat!!
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written by teckkuan, February 06, 2008 | 14:51:47
good article. constructive and written straight from your heart. i do hope this one will change the many typical and narrow perceptions of the people
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written by rayfire, February 06, 2008 | 14:53:59
I would say agree to disagree and each opposition party should go on to compete themselves with their own agenda. What is more important is that the candidates chosen are really genuine and would like to see real changes happen for ALL MALAYSIANS!
The candidate should preferably be a professional with adequate economy know how to counter the possible crisis that we may be facing soon.
I for once, am not going to look at symbol ,as it is meaningless, there are scumbags in all parties you know, they only vary in the degree of scumbagness
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Anyway we can't afford to risk using feel good factor to decide on the vote.
We need real change, and this "people declaration" is a good start.
Each candidate who hopes to represent us should read, understand and acknowledge it before even considering nominating themselves for the seats.
I just hope all parties concerned, please , please ,please make sure you have WORTHY candidates for us to consider.
BTW, anyone noticed the CAMPAIGN ad launched by BN on RTM?, They associate Bersih, and opposition parties as bersubahat to cause arm to the country.
Please, can someone sue them please, the ad was conveniently broadcasted during news hour.
Must be handywork of Zam Zam.
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written by Semuaok, February 06, 2008 | 14:54:32
DAP gets its support from the Chinese who hate the Malays-Islam
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RPK what make you think I hate Malay-Islam, when I don't get a chance to vote for them(PAS). I said it before, there is not a single 3 corner fight between BN, DAP & PAS seat. We vote for DAP/MCA not because we hate Malay-Islam. That is the choice we have. PAS said it themselves, they are only interested in the predominantly Malay seat. Common sense will tell you that we can't vote for PAS in the first place and PAS honestly speaking do not appeal to us. From your own word "If we vote for you what do we get? What's in it for us?"
Overall I like what you said. I think this is the way to go. RPK you rock.
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written by Raja Petra, February 06, 2008 | 14:54:59
Dear cruzeiro, for ten years since 1998 we have been explaining again and again and again the same old issues. And again and again and again people like you still raise the same old arguments. Some say they are getting tired of me writing on the same subject matters. But as much as I may write about the same subject matter so many times, people like you still pop up from the woodwork and raise matters that have already been talked about, explained and replied over the last ten years.

You choose to have blinkers. Anything Malay is foul. Anything Islam is foul. Fullstop.

Vote whoever you want to. I really don't care what you do. Just stop blaming others for your decisions even though that is your expertise.
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written by Semuaok, February 06, 2008 | 15:05:26
RPK Oh I miss this. Can I said PAS don't love me because they don't come to the Chinese seat?
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written by idham, February 06, 2008 | 15:05:47
No doubt BN will win again, just deny BN 2/3 majority.

We badly need for checks and balances in governing.

We need our representatives to debate the issue before approving / rejecting any proposal instead of rubber stamping.

We need Police, Judiciary, BPR, SPR, answer directly to People (i.e. Parliament) and BN will not do this unless we reduce their majority.

Trust me friends, BN wont change until we deny 2/3 majority.

Stop BN Madness!

Vote other than BN even it is RAT!!
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written by turun padang, February 06, 2008 | 15:10:07
The problem with most malaysian is that we (which include me) like to comment, comment & give critic here & there.. Everyone only good in coming out with 'high and mighty' statements or comments.

When in are we going to put it(anything gameplan) into action?

The only person who is actually doing something about it, is RPK & Malaysia Today.

Lets us all start doing something rather than just talk & talk till kingdom come.

"JUST DO IT" - action is anytime mighter than words.

And Pete,

Please do continue to write in such a way so that layman/ average simple man like me can can understand what to do next and we (the lay men )will not just keep on talking or complaining tapi (balik balik vote back BN)

A lots of not so smart but yet not stupid people like me (out here in the street) would like to see changes and but we need direction!
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written by turun padang, February 06, 2008 | 15:16:34
And to the rest of the people in Reading articles in MT..
Let me ask you 1 QUESTION..

What have you done so far, to make malaysia better?

Me? I am still talking to at least 2 persons (friend or stranger) everyday, and ask them to come out to vote in this coming election.
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written by cruzeiro, February 06, 2008 | 15:19:25

You choose to have blinkers. Anything Malay is foul. Anything Islam is foul. Fullstop.

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Pete,
You PRESUME so, RPK. I never said such things - so don't imply it.
That is very insulting considering the fact that I employ Malay Muslims over those of other groups, and based on merit - and I'm bloody proud I did so.
I don't harp on the R&R factors that have to pop up for everything in life.

Who's wearing blinkers?

Nor have I blamed anybody for anything right now .... just don't like bigotry/ hypocrisy and lies. I don't see anything wrong with that - do you?

Yes - you have written and said a lot of things.
Hats-off to you for that ......

What I pointed out was the biased statement above - that's all.
Why do you have to paint other parties black over PAS?
Are you trying to imply something there as well?

Never mind - the declaration was good nevertheless, and it is better than anything else so far.
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written by Raja Petra, February 06, 2008 | 15:24:15
Dear Semuaok, no, the reason PAS does not contest in Chinese seats is because DAP and PKR and both fighting over these seats and are threatening three-corner fights. If PAS also comes in it will be four-corner fights and guess who will win? The Chinese somehow feel only Chinese should contest in Chinese seats. And not enough with that, they must not only be Chinese but Hakka Chinese must contest in Hakka majority seats, and so on. The same with the Indians. Only Indians must contest in Indian areas. Actually the Malays are happy to contest anywhere. But the Chinese and Indians are not happy with this. But please, Semuaok, please don't start calling the Chinese and Indians racists because of this.
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written by journeyman, February 06, 2008 | 15:25:23
"And if I do, (even if it is PAS) it is becos of the racism and religious bigotry that is unaddressed by "very loving people"."

what is this? you want to vote for the opposition, shut up and just vote. giving justifications just goes to show the kind of person you are. you whack them if and when they show injustice after they rule. (a) pathetic show of inferiority complex.

"hypocrisy"," half-baked apologies", "they can keep silent in the face of injustices meted out to KUFR!"

"That's your language & hallmark..."

this is my languange: if you have not taken the trouble to check news and reports from authentic sources, and continue to rely on the star, nst, bernama, your penolong pengarah kementerian neighbour,cnn and the like, i suggest you emulate fft and put your head (the one which contains that pocket of air in between your ears, not the other one which fft's shit-scared of losing when islam rules the world) snugly into the water- closet bowl and press the flush button, for a deserved refreshing shower.
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written by Semuaok, February 06, 2008 | 15:40:17
Opposition not only go against each other. They also commit act of hara kiri on themselves. This is the mother of all blunder by PKR. Anwar talking about abolishing NEP in a Chinese Town Hall. Anwar I repeat NEP is not the problem. You frighten the shit out of all those moderate Malay by trying to please a group of Chinese who actually don't mind helping the poor Malay. Here is what I think will work. I understand you are suffering, NEP is broke but BN is getting richer, BN has to go in order for NEP to be successful.
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written by Semuaok, February 06, 2008 | 15:49:43
Malays are happy to contest anywhere
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RPK where the Chinese and Indian going to put their face, or tell their supporter. Likewise would you put a Chinese in a Malay seat? Do you understand why Obama win in the city. Let me make it clear for you BLACK VOTE.
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written by nasilemak, February 06, 2008 | 15:54:36
To gain votes
Opposition should just abandon their EGOS & Greed for POWER!

THAT is the problem of the opposition.

If we, the Rakyat just needed to feed egos and continue to be trampled on (err..I meant "guided" since we are dumbos & immature in the eyes of the govt), we will just stick with BN.

Better the devil we know than the devil we don't!

Opposition: If you REALLY cared for Malaysia & the Rakyat

Swallow yr Pride and Find a Basis for check & balance amongst yourself.

My fear is the Opposition is as INTO SUCKING US DRY as BN is doing.

I fear the Opposition will say to BN (if Opposition wins..which will be a cold day in Hell) the same as Bad said to Mad in their private talk ie

"You have made money all these years, let me make some"
(or something to that effect!)
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written by Rhan, February 06, 2008 | 15:59:47
Cruzeiro, please lah, don’t keep on screening PAS under a microscope while blinded on the rest. Anyhow, most of us who tell vote or don’t vote PAS is not reside in a PAS contest constituency. Whether we like it or not, PAS is here to stay unless the boss says no.

Btw, I think it is okay for DAP and PKR not to agree on certain issue, or we like to see the same scenario whereby BN is UMNO and UMNO is BN?
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written by cruzeiro, February 06, 2008 | 16:12:55
Rhan,
I did not put them under the microscope - someone else did, by putting others in bad light.

I simply pointed out an unfair statement against other parties.
Obviously some can't take as well as they give ..... And many more choose to play "follow the leader"!

BTW, I'm well aware of the bigger picture, which I agree to.

But of course, some people have to presume and perceive it as racism, as an insult to Malays and Islam ..... so, I have to be painted black and punished accordingly, right?

BTW, I love the "People's Declaration" .......
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written by cruzeiro, February 06, 2008 | 16:18:44
As for those who are quick to vote me down - you can rest assured that I vote myself that way too .... all the time! smilies/wink.gif
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written by aryn, February 06, 2008 | 16:34:20
Boy oh boy! No wonder BN always capitalise on racial issue to divide and rule because Malaysians are easy prey. The BN had succeeded in its campaign to turn Malaysians into racist and now they are reaping the fruit of victory at every GE.

I should have thought that the educated people among us see this and put an end to it to create a Bangsa Malaysia but sadly, many here fell into BN especially Umno's racist traps.

I am (as always) voting for the opposition to give them a chance. We already tasted BN's rule and I want a change. Those who want change should just vote for the oppositions. Should they fail to live to expectation, we can always boot them out in the next GE. Period.
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written by malaysian2008, February 06, 2008 | 16:56:09
RPK answer Semuaok and wrote :
the reason PAS does not contest in Chinese seats is because DAP and PKR and both fighting over these seats and are threatening three-corner fights.

Just a fact here for both of you, In Kelantan's Kota Lama seat which is traditionaly a chinese majority seat - the cadidate is a PAS chinese muslim. YB annuar Tan. Try ask DAP or PKR put their candidate there and see they can win.

A good candidate is not just b'cos of race, but someone who can perform their duty in their constituent and work hard to fight for an ideology. YB tan has done that.
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written by nafis, February 06, 2008 | 17:01:33
Salam Raja Petra,

errmm where do the OKUs fit inside the declaration, sir? or, did you mean when you say "we" you have already included the OKUs? must have.....

but still, maybe you should put some emphasize on how the rakyat must look on the problems of OKUs as something very real and very "here to stay" [I am still reeling with anger over Rapid KL's STUPID AND INSENSITIVE ruling on the OKUs having to get themselves re-registered in order to be eligible for the discounted fares]!!
as if they were not having enough problems with Jabatan Kebajikan Masyarakat already! [sorry for the outburst]
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written by indianputra, February 06, 2008 | 17:03:53
RPK, things are changing and have changed. Non-Malays don't hate PAS anymore. Today, I can state in here that the Chinese and the Indians are supporting PAS because PAS at anytime is a lot better than the BN and people have realized that..

The senior citizens of Malaysia had problems with PAS because the UMNO and BN painted a bad picture about PAS that they are too Islamic, they will cut off the hands of people who steal, they will send back the Chinese and Indians to their home land etc. Today, the picture is much more clearer. PAS is a good party, a party where they have ethics, a party that resembles the values of Asians.

I know of several Non-Malays who worked in Kota Baru refused transfers to other states because they felt peaceful in Kelantan. As a brainwashed Malaysian, I was surprised at their attitude. I would have thought, they will run away from Kelantan at the first opportunity. But, they enjoyed the serenity, peace and life in Kelantan.

I think it is time, we Malaysians start respecting PAS. The latest development that they are only contesting 60 parlimentary seats is something that should be admired for they are giving the other seats for other oppositio parties to contest. That is magnanimous.

PAS, if you are ever standing in my constituency, MY VOTE IS FOR YOU!! YOU ARE ANYTIME BETTER THAN MIC!!!
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written by Visinic, February 06, 2008 | 17:10:13
To all those celebrating, i would like to wish u all a Happy Chinese New Year and may u all be blessed with wealth, health and prosperity......
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written by temenggong, February 06, 2008 | 17:57:55
Whether the oppostion parties accept the Joint Manifesto is inconsequential now, for they already have a pact for straight fights. This is unprecedented. Besides Pas is only contesting 60 seats.

WE HAVE A JOINT OPPOSITION!

The Indians and the Malays have already made up their minds on whom to vote and the die has been cast. Its up to the chinese, sabahans and sarawakians now. The chinese may keep Penang and lose the centre.
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written by Ben Nordin, February 06, 2008 | 18:15:17
Nice one, RPK. Only the government doesn't know that the Rakyat are actually the boss. I remember when Pak Lah said something like "Work with me not for me." I found it amusing then. Even now he still doesn't get it. He may be the CEO (Bad one at that)of Malaysia inc. but the Rakyat are the shareholders with voting rights. It's time to vote in a new Board with a new CEO. And if not cripple their management powers. NO 2/3 majority!
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written by grant, February 06, 2008 | 18:28:46
I commented (but I guess no one read and I dont care if I get a positive vote or negative one from the readers) but here I am again to say. Irregardless of the agenda or how split the opposition is, u need to continue to vote them. We need to consistently send the msg to the ruling govt that our rights, our needs i.e the Rakyat's rights, the Rakyat's needs need to be listened to. Need to be at least reviewed for the progress of the nation.

Even if one day BN happens to be the opposition because PAS or DAP or PKR is the ruling govt, I will still vote for the opposition. U hv to understand 1 simple basic fundamental. The ruling govt in power for too long will manipulate the Rakyat.

WHY? BECAUSE one day, when the ruling govt endorsses a bill where all the Rakyat has to eat shit for a living, WE CANT DO ANYTHING BUT TO HEED SO!
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written by grant, February 06, 2008 | 18:32:05
To tell u the truth guys. The opposition do not have to win the entire Msia or 2/3 majority. With PAS retaining Kelantan, winning back T'gganu, perhaps even taking 1/3 of Pahang and Kedah, DAP winning 1/3 of Penang and Melaka, sporadic wins of PKR here and there in important areas, BN will already tremble. Dont forget Swak lost more seats than expected in their last election. Didnt that send a msg to BN yet? Let us do it this round again... If all this doesnt sound as a wake up call to Bodowi, then he really is bodoh!
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written by Thomas47, February 06, 2008 | 18:37:12
Nice piece and judging by what you have written and the present scenarios that we see among the oppositions, I can't be that far out from my guess on which camp will be the subsequent victor. The people now are not what they were decades ago and I believed that they will know what to do and be the deciding factor come this GE.
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written by HJ Angus, February 06, 2008 | 19:02:03
Interesting heading but most of the time the people let the leaders lord over them and come election time are willing to accept peanuts while others get truckloads of goodies the rest of the time.

If people want CHANGE they must vote for it; otherwise the BN will never change. Why should they?
In the USA Obama has an important message for his supporters.
You must change before you can have change - don't depend on anyone else.
"You are the change you have been waiting for."

http://malaysiawatch3.blogspot.com/2008/02/can-malaysians-change.html
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written by Semuaok, February 06, 2008 | 20:15:11
RPK when there is a fight between DAP & PKR. It's alway between DAP Chinese vesus PKR Chinese and DAP Indian Vesus PKR Indian. DAP Malay is non existanace anymore. I said it many time PKR need to focus on moderate Malay & let this spoiler go. DAP can't let go the Chinese or they will tutup pintu. The spoiler(ex DAP) know it but continue to challenge them. RPK Chinese might win some DAP seat but hurt the feeling of the Chinese voter. This spoiler only interested in fighting for themselves. Anwar the moderate Malay have carry UMNO for 50 years, and will continue to support UMNO for years. You need to split them up. This is only how you can win. Not DAP seats nor PAS seats. Remember slogan "NEP IS BROKE, BN IS GETTING RICHER" "HELP ME HELP YOU TO GET IT FROM BN"
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written by harrbm, February 06, 2008 | 20:19:45

Dear YM RPK,

I am sad. What else is there besides BN? BN is very strong because they are united. There leaders knows what unity means. BN leaders have many options to unite its followers. Money, its one of them but not all the time. Money too, can remove anyone they want. Poor TDM.

I am sad because i dont have any other choice besides BN. What can disunited DAP, PKR, PAS etc do? They can't even be united in educating voters why there must be changes for improvement.

So im with you YM, i pissed off with the leaders of the opposition parties. My Malaysia and and my fellow multi cultured Malaysian needs a clear leader.

Who and where is this leader?

hmmmmm


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written by sydput, February 06, 2008 | 21:18:29
there is no towering figure that apeals to all sections of community in malaysian politics.Someone like barack Obama perhaps, who can speak across racial and religious lines, and unites everyone in his call for change.
Instead of focusing on corruption, maybe opposition should focus on bread and butter issues, such as healthcare, insurance, job security etc.
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written by sheppardlight, February 06, 2008 | 23:45:04
PKR wrote
It is not too bad for PAS. PAS is united by love; love for Islam. So those who love Islam would unite under the banner of PAS. DAP and PKR, however, are united by hate. DAP gets its support from the Chinese who hate the Malays-Islam while PKR gets it support predominantly from Malays who hate Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad.
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Salams. I dont think PAS is united by love. I think they are as equal as DAP and PKR, by hate. And i dont think that PAS really understands Islam. The fact that PAS is trying to gain control by participating in this system of election called democracy, is not Islam.

Islam simply means peace. Islam is a way of life, i.e. a system of peace, which is quaranteed to bring peace to a society which adapts to its system. It will change the society to prosper and will be above the rest of the systems. It will make the society to be in a state of ...Renaissance.

This has been proven before by the earlier Islamic civilizations. They brought peace and made the people live in peace, of course there was a periode of its downfall. But people in so many countries has accepted the system of Islam before. Evidence in China, India, Pakistan, the European countries, you name it. They were not afraid of Islam because of its system. That is actually the teachings of Islam. To teach people to bring peace and justice according to the standards of God. After its downfall the world has changed its system to the new order, the Western order which has changed the world to the state it is now.

After the last of the Islamic empayer, Turkey in 1923 immediately the world war started. That is the beginning of the new order by the West, which until now has not proven to bring peace to the world. We hear war everyday almost everywhere in the world. Now this is the system that we are in now.

Back to PAS. I can see that PAS wants to bring Islam (peace) back to order. The problem is they are doing it the wrong way. It is not the way of the Sunnah.

So, as far as i am concern the election process of selecting our leaders by PAS, PKR, DAP or Barisan Nasional in this coming election will not bring peace and Justice.

I believe if anyone who comes with a system based from the actual understanding of Islam/Peace from the the Quran, Bibble or the Torah is the one that will be able to unite us all. Because they were all from God.
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written by InEffective, February 07, 2008 | 00:10:29
Nice - believers of 'people are the boss' can continue the ideology of hope, opposition can continue their highly effective racial cooperation and collaboration efforts.

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written by Raja Petra, February 07, 2008 | 00:52:45
For ten years now since 1998 we have been fighting for change. We have lost all our businesses. We have been sacked from our jobs and positions. We have been detained and beaten up in the police station. Our homes have been raided.

It was like the marathons I used to run before 1998. The first 30 kilometers were bearable. The next 10 were torturous. The last 2 kilometers were hell. But we endured till the end in spite of our body having given up long ago. Our body no longer kept us going. Our minds took over from where our body gave up. And we completed the 42 kilometers then went home and collapsed. (Read the book 'Running with your mind').

We are now on that last 2 kilometers of the 42-kilometer marathon. Soon the general election will be upon us. 10 years of losing everything for the ideals of change will be decided in the 12th General Election. I have no time for petty whining and bitching from small minds. Can the small boys please step aside so that the real men can get the job done?
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written by sheppardlight, February 07, 2008 | 01:30:34
Dear RPK

From what i know, the small boys are the ones who got the job done!
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written by sheppardlight, February 07, 2008 | 01:36:10
Remember the story of the sang pelanduk and the dog? Melaka was named after the incident of this small creature that kicked the dog. And the Great empayar of Malaka was born. The moral of the story is that not the big boys that got the job done.
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written by Raja Petra, February 07, 2008 | 01:46:34
Dear sheppardlight, real fantastic quotes. Do you mind if I use them in one of my articles? I don't think I could have come out with anything better than that myself. By the way, just out of curiosity, how old are you anyway?

And what were you smoking when you drafted that little sermon on Islam? I would certainly like to try some.
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written by Daryl, February 07, 2008 | 01:57:31
GONG XI FATT CHAI to all Chinese readers and Happy Holiday to those that are not!!!

God Bless all our leaders both on the goverment and those that are on the other site!!!!

RPK I commended you for the information that I usually don't get from reading the newspaper like The Star online. Also, for you persistent about a more democratic Malaysia for the people not only for certain race or religion.
In a truly democratic country the legal system work for the rakyat and the rakyat will have to decide if they like what the current goverment does? If they do we give them another four years. If they don't the rakyat need to be strong and brave to tell them go kiss my behind.
However, the biggest problem is that other than the BN alliance the others are all amateur politician and parties because they are being selfish. These political parties are only interested in their own agendas and try to reach out to certain group of people may it be race or religion. So, what do we have as rakyat to choose from
1) BN - which have the money and can create any type of advantages to win the election. And of course they are more united when come to putting a front

2) Opposition Alliance - Even the name is wrong. Maybe it should be Alternative Alliance or something that sounds more positive. Next we have these parties competing against each other because of race or religion. So what are our alternatives solution. It should be one party maybe "Democratic Alliance for Rakyat" and with agendas that will appeal to all class of rakyat. Than start a united campaign opposite to BN political machine. Than maybe we can go somewhere with this.

Unfortunatly, in my humble opinion a truly united "opposition" is the only way we can win more than 1/3 of the seats without threat of race war or repeat of May 13th, 1969. I think with the current environment we are still very far from that. However, I hope rakyat in Malaysia can prove me wrong...
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written by bexe, February 07, 2008 | 02:55:44
PRK
I share your frustration about our Opposition Parties. United they stand and divided they will fall. Somehow we can't get this message through their think heads. Bn is exploiting this to the hilt. Tragedy!
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written by sheppardlight, February 07, 2008 | 04:22:36
Dear RPK
I am 19 years old, im not a muslim and i dont smoke. It just came out of my thought when i wrote that what you said a little sermon on islam. That story of the pelanduk was what i learned from my teacher. I believe its a story that was told by our great great grandfathers to remind us for times like we are now. They tell us in a metaphorical language like that pelanduk, very smart and clever small animal.

I wrote that because i thought you were a litle arrogant by calling some, the small boys. i think, the fact that they read and try to contribute their thoughts is good enough. The last 2 kilometers, get all the support you can. The small litle petty ones can still vote, right?
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written by Semuaok, February 07, 2008 | 04:23:00
RPK I hear you. You have to stop making me cry and expect me to write at the same time. I lost my parents and friends when I left. Luckily for me my wife (as usual standing behind her man) come along.

RPK it's not going to be easy but it can be done. We need to focus on what we have PAS, DAP, Hindraf and Keadilan and build on it. We need to know what the voter want, so that we can fight an organize war against BN. Every arrow has to target at BN/UMNO, not opposition. It you break their backbone(UMNO) the rest will evaporated including MCA/MIC/GERAKAN-they have no support.
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written by educationist, February 07, 2008 | 06:29:38
So, the needful has been done. Let's see the response of the BN. I'll lay a bet for............SILENCE
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written by SOS, February 07, 2008 | 07:50:34
Somebody said the otherday " Politicians are like Diapers " You need to change them often!

I say " Politician are like low performance Cars " You need to change those damn cars every 4 to 5 years, coz it's guzzling petrol and poluting the air with their fart/exaust fume.

After 50 years in this shit pool. Managing the country through Auto pilot system. It can not get any worse. Just vote anything as long as it's not dacing.

No politician is indispensible...I repeat No politician is indispensible. If they work for your interest, keep them. If they work for their self interest, kick them out. They got their pay through your hard earn tax money. You are the one who decide their faith.
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written by Semuaok, February 07, 2008 | 07:54:08
Anwar you need to be a quarterback, you need to throw the ball to who(DAP, PAS Hindraf) you think can get the jobs done. You need to show your care & be generous to DAP as well as Hindraf & PAS. You need to believe If DAP, PAS or HIndraf win, It's the same as a win for Keadilan. Anwar you need to focus on UMNO seat(trust me DAP & Hindraf is not interested in this seats & PAS choose not to compete with you). This is the moderate Malay seat(60% Malay, 30% Chinese, 10% Indian) This is the seats UMNO win. This group of Malay need Chinese and Chinese need moderate Malay. The moderate Malays is mad now, NEP is broke, Oil, foods, necessity prices going up, BN is richer by the days. This group is up for grab. Moreover I don't think you have the resources to fight every seats effectively. Why not let DAP, PAS or Hindraf do the jobs.
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written by Angela Ooi, February 07, 2008 | 09:57:26
Dear Raja Petra, you are a great tactical general. When you wrote about how the BA should be going about for the coming elections, you gave very sound points but they wouldn't or couldn't take it. So currently Opposition is more or less in shambles. Then you come out with this "people's declaration'. Brillant! People, please promote it fervently.
Turun padang, I like and agree with what you wrote.

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written by Counterpointer, February 07, 2008 | 10:36:19
The voters no longer trust politicians[/quote

That's why it's now up to bloggers to impress on the voters to change. The opposition all seems to be talking about seats and we don't really know what kind of groundwork they had been doing to change the mindsets of those majority voters. These voters are so easily swayed by gifts and promises of development that they would temporarily totally forget about the corruption, the escalating crime rates, the gross abuses of power, the f*cked up judiciary, the racial polarisation, the pariah cabinet and ministers, the lousy leadership of Bodohwi, etc,etc..and after casting that vote they'd start regretting for another four years when the vicious cycle will start again.

This has all gotta change and if opposition keeps going the same way, harping on the same issues and tussling for seats, utilizing the same strategies, it's simply not going to work.

What we need to see is more of those 'people power' rallies to change voter's mindsets and break this damn vicious cycle. Bloggers should unite to make this happen.
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written by Raja Petra, February 07, 2008 | 10:45:23
Dear sheppardlight, yes, I am arrogant, I admit that. And it is my arrogance that makes me do what I do and makes me tell the government that if they don't like what I do they can go to hell and I don't care two ****s. Without this arrogance I would probably just post comments under fictitious names in other peoples' blogs.
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written by Jos, February 07, 2008 | 11:52:17
Dear RPK,

You are wrong ... The majority of Malaysians will vote for money, not for the issue..

There will be no major change in Malaysia if the majority still continue to maintain their "old" behavior .... So, we still need another 50 years ...

Politik Uang Lazim di Malaysia
Andrian Fauzi - detikBandung

Bandung- Jika di Indonesia praktik politik uang diperangi, tidak demikian di Malaysia. Pemilih di Negeri Jiran itu justru sudah terbiasa dengan praktek pembelian suara.

Hal ini disampaikan oleh Ketua Pemilihan Rakyat Malaysia Tan Sri Abdul Rasid Rahman saat melakukan studi banding ke KPUD Jabar, Selasa(5/2/200smilies/cool.gif.

"Ya, hal itu juga ada. Biasanya partai-partai berkuasa yang punya uang, membayar pemilih. Masyarakat kami juga tidak mau kalau tidak dibayar,"ujarnya menanggapi pertanyaan dari Ketua KPUD Jabar Setia Permana.

Lebih lanjut Abdul Rasid Rahman menjelaskan proses pemilihan dan proses demokrasi antara Malaysia dan Indonesia juga berbeda.

"Dari proses demokrasinya, kuasa ada pada pusat, tidak ada KPU daerah. Untuk pemilihannya ada dua pemilihan yakni di tingkat federal dan ditingkat state atau negara bagian," paparnya.

Bulan Maret 2008 Malaysia akan mengadakan pemilihan umum, yanganggarannya disebutkan Abdul Rasid Rahman mencapai 5,6 triliun rupiah.Pelaksanaan digelar serentak, dan pemilih akan memilih wakil untuktingkat federal dan negara bagian.

Awalnya KPR Malaysia akan melakukan studi banding ke KPU Pusat,menjelang pemilu di Malaysia pada Maret 2008. Tetapi karena di Jabar sedang berlangsung proses pilgub, perwakilan KPR Malaysia yang terdiridari tiga orang, ingin melihat langsung. Rombongan yang tiba di Jakarta Senin, (5/2/200smilies/cool.gif, rencananya akan kembali ke Malaysia, Rabu(6/2/200smilies/cool.gif. ( lom / lom )

http://www.detikbandung.com/index.ph...49/idkanal/486

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written by SUV, February 07, 2008 | 13:55:09
got problem aah between PAS n PKR?haha,i dont think so!!!In fact i am goin 2 attend a joint PAS/PKR ceramah!! d prob is wit DAP,who imo, r just like the UMNOs,MICS,Gerakans!1No difference at all lah!!D othe prob wit DAP is they always like to tunjuk jari and menyalahkan parti/orang lain..one cina fella told me the reason DAP dont want to bergabung with the rest of the opposition is because tengku razaleigh n s46 betryed DAP in 1990 smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif..c lah folks..hotak udang!!
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written by SUV, February 07, 2008 | 14:02:56
kaysean cruz..nicely kena sepak frm rpk.... ..man,doc cruz,sudahlah..go vote for the materialist,sick_ularits,bible waving,text book junkies robotos smilies/grin.gif
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written by SUV, February 07, 2008 | 14:14:40
sentimen orang india ialah "VOTE 4 THE OPPOSITION"...
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written by The dragonheart, February 07, 2008 | 14:16:15
Sheppard light Said:
…..I dont think PAS is united by love. I think they are as equal as DAP and PKR, by hate. And i dont think that PAS really understands Islam. The fact that PAS is trying to gain control by participating in this system of election called democracy, is not Islam.….I can see that PAS wants to bring Islam (peace) back to order. The problem is they are doing it the wrong way. It is not the way of the Sunnah…..
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Dear Sheppard light,

I know that you are young,
I know that you’re learned,
I know that you feel that you’re matured,
I know that you think you know everything…

My dear Sheppard light, PAS is united by love, but not love like what a teenager have in mind, not love like what a businessmen wants, not love like what a power seeking wants…

PAS is united by love of their God, their Prophet SAW and the way of life Islam thought them. The rest is inclusive.

If you think PAS should draw their swords to gain control over the country that practices democracy as their means and the citizens are less than 50% Muslims, then you are very short sighted.

Some people might say I am wasting my time writing this to you, but I don’t care. I like your courage. I am more that 2 ½ times older than you. You have the courage to say what you had said. I disagree 100% of what you said above.

The prophet SAW said if you used all the water in the ocean as ink to write down all the God’s Knowledge, even if the ocean is dried up, yet you still have not finish writing them down. You’re just 19 years old, Yes, I am proud of people of your age to join us here to debate about our political issues. Not many “young” people like you (even those who are studying in the universities today) are interested in politics and the future of our country. The problem with young people like you is that you see things what you see and what you’re being taught. You don’t live in the real world 50 years ago. At 19, you are only exposed to what the Government school taught you at SPM/STPM level. If you think I am wrong, prove me your extra knowledge skills in this matter.

30-40 years ago PAS wants to bring Islam (peace) back to order as what you have in mind. Every time they make speeches only coconut and banana trees listens to them. PAS is as old as UMNO, in fact they were part of the 1946 UMNO. Most of them were the Ulamaks in the 1946 UMNO, they left because they felt that UNMO was not Islamic and not following the sunnah (as you said). For over 30 years PAS stood on their rocks but they were not notice. This is a multi racial and multi religious country. If PAS trying to gain control by participating in this system of election called democracy by some other methods, then PAS will always be a” stupid mouse deer” who will be stampede by the giant elephants and the eaten by the hungry tigers.

Like I said in my comment above, I quoted the Surah Al-Anfal (The Spoils of War) verse 53which Says:"This, because God would never change the blessings with which He has graced a people unless they change their inner selves and [know] that God is all-hearing, all-seeing."

PAS have changed. Because of the changes, PAS is beginning to be accepted by the other Muslims and non-Muslims alike. PAS must not be like The Taliban, The Al Qaeeda, etc…They are not! PAS is Malaysian and Malaysia is not PAS. Maybe if the other races have not migrated into the country and becomes Malaysian as we are today, maybe Malaysia is PAS, but the fact today it is not. PAS must have accepted this and this is what it is going to be. And PAS have settled that they are only contesting 60 parliamentary seat, which shows that they are not focusing to rule the country all by themselves. This mean that they want to work together with the other non-Muslim parties for the sake of LOVE and PEACE as what Islam wants it to be.

There is nothing great about the “mouse deer” you’re talking about. Almost 99.99% of the Captured smart “mouse deers” ends up in the cooking pot. Mouse deers are just cunning but never wise.


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written by The dragonheart, February 07, 2008 | 14:17:08
P.S.(just for sheppardlight)
Dear Sheppard light,


William Shakespeare, in "As You Like It" :The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.

A writer named Naguib Mah fouz (b. 1911) once wrote :”You can tell whether a man is clever by is answers. You can tell whether a man is wise by his questions”

A clever man
will always tell you answers. He will tell you things you may not care about. His purpose is to impress. To be more accurate is to see himself reflected in the reaction on your face.

A wise man will not try to convince you anything. A wise man is trying to build himself not to build you. He asks questions because he wants to learn more. He needs to learn more because he is aware of how little he knows about so any things. He is aware less of what he knows than what he does not know. A Wiseman will share what he knows. But you will have to ask. Otherwise he will be busy. He has his own quest. He will assume that you have your own.
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written by SUV, February 07, 2008 | 14:26:27
afflits every freakin citizen in our countrylah..dats why PKR' ability to unite semua bangsa ,n PAS practising "vedantism" or principals of unity accorinding to islam adalah siki unique(kelante is a "guru bhakti state")..so,tidak mengapalah sekiranya BA(PAS,keadilan) kalah,sibab,perjuangan ini adalh untuk jangka masa yg panjang..dan,sy gerenti prisip,prinsip PKR,PAS will gather momentum in the near future..dats the declartion of the time spirit..just watch!!!
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written by Semuaok, February 07, 2008 | 18:18:28
I understand the bumiputra minority is the easiest seat, BN only win 45.4%. But this is the seat that DAP stuck in for 50 years. This is also the seat that will not make you the PM. Anwar do not even think that DAP is afraid of you, in fact they are actually waiting for you to grow up, and carry them out of this shit. That's why DAP join BA and you blew up. Believe me it's not PAS, they know PAS for years and yet join BA. I repeat you blew up just like your blunder with NEP policy. You know you can't compete in all the seats and yet you are greedy just like before. Anwar (when you are with UMNO) all you know is winning without and afford. This is a different ball game all together.
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written by Talisman, February 07, 2008 | 19:52:22
My slogan for this election:"MY HEART GOES TO BN, MY HEAD GOES TO THE OPPOSITION".















Why? I vote with my head.
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written by SUV, February 07, 2008 | 21:22:51
http://www.harakahdaily.net/bm...n-pas.html

"Kami tidak akan lupa jasa baik kerajaan PAS yang memerintah dan banyak menyelesaikan masalah rakyat dan masalah masyarakat Tionghua,” ujarnya ketika berucap pada majlis tersebut.

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written by SUV, February 07, 2008 | 21:24:06
http://www.harakahdaily.net/bm...barat.html

Difahamkan Barisan Alternatif Pahang telah menyelesaikan pembahagian kerusi di antara PAS dan KeADILan, pembahagian kerusi tersebut akan merealisasikan strategi 'satu lawan satu'. - mks.
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written by Semuaok, February 07, 2008 | 21:51:37
PAS keep up the good work. Some of you might wonder why I hate Islam and support DAP and yet love PAS. Here is the reason. I hate Islam because there is 2 sides. Hate & Love. PAS and I choose the love side. For those whose choose hate, go kill yourself.
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written by SUV, February 07, 2008 | 22:11:41
smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/cheesy.gif @ semuaok..alo frend,folowers of yesu rajs's dharma got only lu aah ah?jews..ooo the chosen race of the asuras,the crev