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Wednesday, 16 January 2008 11:54

Yes, let us all go to the Kuala Lumpur High Court at Jalan Duta on 17th and 18th January 2008 and take a good look at the defenders of the dignity of Islam, those 'moral police' who arrest Malay girls and boys who work in discos and then photograph them in the nude and then demand sex as out of court settlement.

NO HOLDS BARRED

Raja Petra Kamarudin

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If you really, really have nothing to do with your time, then you should attend the noonday Friday prayers at the mosque and listen to the imam lament about the enemies of Islam who all have an agenda to destroy Islam. If not, then don't waste your time. Do something else instead.

Yes, non-Muslims are the enemies of Islam, according to these imams, and they are all united in their effort to 'kill' Islam.

Actually this is not true at all. The enemies of Islam, at least in Malaysia, are the Malays themselves. The only thing is the Malays are just too bodoh (stupid) to realise this. Malays say that there are two types of bodoh. One is bodoh sepat -- you pretend to be stupid but are actually very devious. Malaysian Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi would probably fit this bill. He pretends to be bodoh but is actually very crafty. The second is bodoh sombong -- you are actually very stupid but are too stupid to realise that you are stupid and think you are very clever.

Most Malays fall into this category of bodoh sombong.

On 17th and 18th January 2008, a case is going to be heard in the Kuala Lumpur High Court. I was told this is the new courthouse near the Wilayah Persekutuan Mosque along Jalan Duta in Kuala Lumpur. A woman is suing the Malaysian government, the Federal Territory Religious Department (JAWI) and RELA (a volunteer paramilitary force that is infamous for extorting immigrant workers of their hard-earned money), plus one or two other Malaysian government agencies. Karpal Singh is the solicitor for the plaintiff, which promises to be a very exciting case indeed considering Karpal is known to take no prisoners.

It seems this woman, a Muslim, was arrested during a 'vice raid' on a certain disco in Kuala Lumpur. She was an employee of that disco and, according to the 'rules', Muslims are not supposed to work in any establishment that sells liquor. So, for that 'crime', she was arrested together with about 16 or so other Muslim men and women.

Now, when the authorities issued the disco its licence, it was not stipulated anywhere in that licence that any establishment selling liquor is prohibited from employing Muslim staff. If this is the law then certainly our national airline, MAS, would have to retrench all the Malay staff and employ only non-Muslim Chinese, Indians, Portuguese, Dayaks, Kadazans, etc., because MAS serves liquor. Not only the cabin crew would have to be sacked but the entire staff including the ticketing staff, administration staff, accountants, managers, board of directors, and so on, would have to go.

The 'haram' ruling would not only affect those directly involved in serving the liquor on-board the flights but anyone whomsoever even remotely linked to the organisation. I mean, the 'criminal' is not only the stewards and stewardesses who serve the liquor but anyone who may be 'collaborating' with the stewards and stewardesses to make it possible for the stewards and stewardesses to serve liquor on-board the flights. So, those who sell the tickets and those who check you in and those who handle your baggage and those who usher you to the plane and those who sit in the office to count the money and those who sit in the boardroom to conduct meetings, and many more, are 'partners-in-crime' and would also have to leave the organisation.

If you drive the car that the bank robbers used to rob the bank you too would be arrested for bank robbery although you just sat in the car and did not walk into the bank to rob it. If you lent the bank robbers the car that they used to rob the bank then you too would be arrested for bank robbery although you did not follow them to the bank but just stayed home. If you lent the bank robbers the guns they used in the bank robbery you too would be arrested for bank robbery although you did not follow them to the bank but just stayed home. If you gave the information to the bank robbers on when and how they should rob the bank so that they can maximise their takings and make a successful getaway you too would be arrested for bank robbery even though all you did was just offer them information and did not actually take part in the robbery.

Yes, all of them would be regarded as being part of the bank robbery ring even though their only role was to assist the bank robbers in pulling off a successful bank robbery and did not actually take an active part in the robbery and were not even there.

So, are Muslim waiters and waitresses who work in discos committing a crime? Yes, according to the Federal Territory Religious Department who arrested 17 or so Muslim staff who were working in a disco in Kuala Lumpur. And all except one pleaded guilty and paid the RM400 fine. One, however, decided to sue the Malaysian government, the Religious Department, RELA and two other government agencies for RM5 million. And Karpal Singh is handling the case.

According to the police report that this Muslim woman made, which is the basis of the suit, she plus all the others were handcuffed and placed in the police truck. After some time she needed to answer the call of nature and requested permission to go to the toilet. However, they refused to allow her to go to the toilet and asked her instead to just pee in the truck.

This woman could not hold her bladder and had no choice but to pee there and then. Her colleagues helped guard her modesty by placing a scarf in front of her so that she could at least have some privacy. But the RELA officers pulled away the scarf and started taking photographs of her peeing, of course with her private parts fully exposed.

In the police station, the men were separated from the women. The women were then taken to a secluded part of the police station and photographed. But they were not photographed in the normal 'criminal' way with their numbers on their chest and so on. Instead, they were told to assume sexy positions -- bend forwards, backwards, sideways, etc. Basically, they were asked to pose in erotic and sensuous positions for the benefit of the cameras, sort of like the centrefold of Playboy or Penthouse, if you know what I mean.

Then the women were told they could avoid getting charged by settling the case 'outside court' in exchange for sexual favours. All they had to do was drop their panties and after a quickie they would be allowed to go home without any further action taken against them.

Actually, this sort of thing is not new. This has been going on for more than 30 years. Why do you think these perverts fall over each other and rush to sign up as RELA guards? And they would drop everything and volunteer their time free-of-charge to participate in a 'vice raid'. Of course, they will tell their wives and children they only have the interest of Islam at heart in arresting 'immoral' Malay men and women who work in discos that serve liquor. Their interest is only to protect the dignity of Islam. Yeah, sure, and I with five children and four grandchildren am still a virgin.

No, if you have free time on your hands don't waste it by going to the noonday Friday prayers to listen to the imam scream, rant and rave about the enemies of Islam plotting against Islam in their secret agenda to destroy Islam. Instead, go to the Kuala Lumpur High Court at Jalan Duta on 17th and 18th January 2008 and hear the case that Karpal Singh is going to argue. Hear how the 'moral police' -- officers of the Federal Territory Religious Department and RELA -- round up women and photograph them nude and demand sex as out of court settlement.

Yes, these are the upholders of the dignity of Islam. These are the defenders of Islam. These are the officers of Islam Hadhari, the new Islam, the invention of Abdullah Badawi. Now do you know why the non-Muslims fear the prospects of Malaysia being turned into an Islamic State? Hey, I don't blame them. If this is the Islam they are talking about then I too fear Malaysia being turned into an Islamic State. I fear my wife and daughter getting picked up by these perverts because they are perceived as dressing too sexily and then being asked to grant these 'officers of Islam' sexual favours as out of court settlement.

Hmm, this reminds me of another RELA officer from Terengganu whom I personally knew who raped and murdered a Malay schoolgirl. They eventually hanged him of course but this did not bring the unfortunate schoolgirl back to life. I suppose after getting horny from photographing waitresses in the nude they need to let off some steam by raping schoolgirls and then murdering them after that to prevent them from talking.

Yes, let us all go to the Kuala Lumpur High Court at Jalan Duta on 17th and 18th January 2008 and take a good look at the defenders of the dignity of Islam, those 'moral police' who arrest Malay girls and boys who work in discos and then photograph them in the nude and then demand sex as out of court settlement.

Someone sent me this piece below. I don't know who the author is but I thought maybe I should share it with you because it best describes what I am lamenting about.

 

Oh man, I love this country

I called it the land of political absurdity

Full of ludicrousness amid stupidity

First in the pipeline is Mr. Badawi

The country's fifth Perdana Menteri

Hailed from notable ulama's family

In that spirit he created a new Islam Hadhari

The so-called modern Islam resembling Turkey

Some touted it as Islam Ada Hari

When the original Islam turned awry.

 

He loves to travel in style like big celebrity

Making grand entrance in any opportunity

So he insisted a private jet paid by Treasury

He got it despite hullabaloo by bloggers community

He said the government didn't purchase it out rightly

The government is leasing it from SPM, a GLC

For him, this is a good strategy

By doing that he thinks he can save money

Oh yeah, he thinks people believe his story.

 

Perth seems to be his favourite city

Last December he opened Nasi Kandar Puteri

And then went on sailing trip with Todt of Ferrari

Back home worst flood hit Johor Kota Tinggi

17 died and 90,000 evacuated in that tragedy

But yet, the jet setting PM was outside the country

He might use remote control key.

 

Badawi has son-in-law by the name of Khairy

He married Badawi's daughter Nori

Recently both blessed with the baby

That has longest name in the country

I can only remember the last name, Khairy

This young chap is Pemuda Umno deputy

Claimed to have "protection" from Mr. Badawi

Has a big wish to be PM by age of forty

So he is gathering support from Putera and Puteri

At the same time accumulated wealth aggressively

Through ECM Libra and some crony

Media was at his helm through NST

Now he has potent tools – money, media and machinery

And his father-in-law alias Perdana Menteri

 

Meanwhile Hisham is putting up a new strategy

His keris wielding attracts flak of Malay supremacy

It backfires especially to Chinese community

His reasoning draws conclusion that he is puny

Najib is not convince Hisham to be his deputy

Najib may consider a big mouth Nazri

Provided that Rosmah is okay to work with Nazri

You know why lah, Najib takut bini.

 

We don't have to elaborate the story

You have to come here to enjoy the absurdity

We have quite a few funny ministers and MP

Such as hilarious Work Minister Mr. Samy

Before Hindraf he represents Indian community

The longest serving minister that heads MIC

In press conference he got agitated quite easily

When Umno conference was held on Deepavali

He said no "open house" as sign of hostility

He twisted the decision maybe after talking to Indrani

This MIC leaders share similar trait and personality

The latest one was Cameron Highland MP Mr. Devamani

He has broken ranks with fellow BN MP

When he accused government not doing enough for Indian community

After meeting with BN Whip, he regretted and say sorry.

 

Let me continue my story

Well, you probably have heard it already

About the biggest anti-government rally

Not exactly same scale as 98 Reformasi

On Nov 10 more than 40,000 flooded the city

To protest unfair election practice against EC

Dirty ruling party tactics are legendary

Short-notice on Election Day is customary

Just a day before Pak Lah was basking in glory

In annual affair of UMNO general assembly

Full of hypocrisy and puji-memuji

Pak Lah shouted it loud "don't challenge me"

Despite threats and warning from Pak Lah and Khairy

People are defiant and take no heed from Badawi

They chanted God is Great, Daulat Tuanku and Reformasi

November is a month of illegal assembly

School holidays thus parents are quite free.

 

The rally was given wide publicity

The rally was headlined in Al Jazeera and BBC

Foreign media questioned our brand of democracy

Water cannon and tear gas were fired indiscriminately

Umno leaders are in denial state naturally

Such as Zam who head the Info Ministry

Zam was trembling uncharacteristically

In an interview that becoming laughing stock in the country

Scrambling for words and chew out frantically

He can't censor it as we are in digital technology

You can just Google or YouTube easily.

 

Well that is one example of political absurdity

What do you expect from half past six menteri

Some are in complete ignorance and dreary

Some will resort to unthinkable publicity

Giving broom as reward never in history

Some will slaughter cows in parliament for kenduri

To celebrate the matrimony of our own Sleeping Beauty

Another stupid joke by backbencher MPs.

 

You can't find this in your country

A journalist like Michael Backman will agree

So many things to write for your Daily

No wonder he keeps coming here for juicy story

Malay tabloids prefer to write about ghost and celebrity

That's saleable among ordinary

Maybe they got sick of constant spat by political party

They prefer to idolise people like Siti or Mawi

Do you think they care who is their MP?

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written by ben932, January 16, 2008 12:00:39
demand sex as out of court settlement..


wow, if it is true, then it is too much..
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written by Tgopal, January 16, 2008 12:13:16
If this is the law then certainly our national airline, MAS, would have to retrench all the Malay staff and employ only non-Muslim Chinese, Indians, Portuguese, Dayaks, Kadazans, etc., because MAS serves liquor

And not to forget the famous 7-11 outlets. Hmmmm...
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written by Eddy, January 16, 2008 12:13:18
i love the end part, should turn it into a rap song, sure make the no.1 hit in malaysia( if allowed to be air publicly)
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written by rayfire, January 16, 2008 12:22:03
This is what happens when religion is forced onto people, they become so pressed that they find other avenues to vent their frustration, I am confident there is nothing wrong with Islam itself. In fact I believe the same for all religions out there. What causes fear though is how people interpret and misuse the religion and issues related to it for their own agenda and worse for their personal satisfaction. It is troubling, and the latest incidents is not helping in any way to reduce my fear for the well being of this nation.

What happened to the ladies caught in this incident is not acceptable by any religious or moral respecting individual and they deserve to be punished.

Mr.Karpal, see to it that they get fully exposed!!!!

I like the piece you have included, it will be good to know who is the author??

BTW, this extremism is not exclusive to Islam or Malays only it is in every religion or race.
One think I must agree is that it is more prominent and becoming excessive amongst the Malays.
When most nations and people move towards globalisation, they seem to move towards separation.
All those liberal thinking Malaysians Malays out there, no offense to you. I think you can see this phenomenon for yourself.

The rebranding of Islam by our AAB, actually made matters worse as the concepts creeped into governance as well.

I fear for the future generaion of Malaysians, How About You ?
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written by Mr Smith, January 16, 2008 12:34:27
The other day my wife was asked by a bank officer to open an Islamic Account. She asked for the difference between the Islamic and the normal one she had. The officer replied that it was actually all the same except that you cannot deposit any cheque from a beer manufacturer or "unIslamic companies" into an Islamic Account!!!!!!!!.
But it is OK to accept cheques from Hotels and cash winnings from Magnum and Toto or pork dealers or Chinese restaurants. Isn't there alot of confusion here?
How can such an account be untainted when the majority of transactions in the country will have some 'unIslamic traits'. So what is halal and what is haram?
If manufacturing beer ,is haram what about selling liquor. All pubs, supermarkets, hotels (even those owned by Muslims) sell liquor.
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written by the1, January 16, 2008 12:45:30
Funny thing, thugs that buat malu of their own religion actually get more votes....pathetic country.
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written by notsosmart, January 16, 2008 12:52:25
........................non-Muslims are the enemies of Islam, according to these imams, and they are all united in their effort to 'kill' Islam................................


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Can someone tell those stupid imans that there are differences between Non-believer and Non-Muslim. If what the imans saying is true, then they are insulting Islam. Yet the gomen is not stopping them. This mean the gomen is also insulting Islam. What a country.
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written by truthsetufree, January 16, 2008 13:03:36
Kudos to whoever wrote the poem,sajak, whatever but let us call it
THE BALLad OF BadAWI & HIS CLOWNS smilies/wink.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/grin.gif.
Oh man, I love this country
I called it the land of political absurdity
Full of ludicrousness amid stupidity
First in the pipeline is Mr. Badawi
The country's fifth Perdana Menteri
Hailed from notable ulama's family
In that spirit he created a new Islam Hadhari .............

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written by sampalee, January 16, 2008 13:23:19
The culprit is umno using the name of Islam.If a wolf in sheeps clothing misbehave,do not take it out on the sheep.Never,never demonise religions for any of our problems.Religions unite,whilst politicians divide.All religions are presently infiltrated by politicians.
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written by The dragonheart, January 16, 2008 13:27:46
From the first day RELA was established, I doubt the sincerity of the intention of the organization. It is purely UMNO/BN mercenary soldiers cum police. They get free uniform, money, power of arrest, and some use it as a ticket to apply firearms licenses.

The RELA really shows that the PDRM, The Immigration, the Customs and few other law enforcement forces (and most have "DiRaja" behind the name) are useless and not capable of maintaining law and order in the country. Rela are part time police/law enforcer. There are ten of thousands unemployed citizens, why can't the government beef up the proper law enforcer rather than pampering the political based RELA? Obvious reasons, these people are UMNO/BN Phantoms soilder of fortune.

Soilder my Foot!

Remember one time ago Selangor have this team called BadAR? This team was tasked to crack and arrest muslims couples who are not in wedlock for close proximity offences. In the end these so call BadAR misused thir authority and many joined to become peeping tom and self made "prono" photographers.

If one really study the HUDUD laws (Criminal laws in Shariah), peeping tom is not allow in combating close proximity offences including adultery offenses. In one Hadist, Prophet Mohamed PBUH said, if u see such peeping tom, poke him in the eyes! In Islam to it is wrong to plan for a raid or to spy in close proximity cases. The offender must be caught by 4 pious men (I mean FOUR PIOUS men) who happens to pass by the premise. And all the four must witness such act were done with their own eyes and not via third person. And if the court found out that any of the 4 witnesses is not pious, then the report shall be made null and void. This some of the basic rules one must know, but i wonder does the RELA and the JAWI people knows this.

Remember the City Hall law enforcer who threatened a couple at KLCC a couple of years ago? Every city and towns under the state have these kind of citizen bulling law enforcement units. Their initial intention were good but due to excessive of powers given to them, the acted beyond their original role. Tell me how many percent of the DBKL law enforcement personnels who are not corrupted or asking coffee money from business people especially from the poor hawkers? Even in all wet markets, in KL, the fish and vegetable mongers provide free goods to these enforcement officers. I have seen many times. I wish I could have video taped all these acts.

The main problem here is because the UMNO wants them, the UMNO is protecting them. And I bet most of them are members of the UMNO (and in the RELA, the non malays are from MCA and MIC).

Yes Engku, The Malays are actually the enemy of Islam. I cannot deny that. Apart from those Malays who do not believe, and do not want to follow the true Islamic teachings, most of these Malays are UMNO people. UMNO will destroy Islam. Islam HadARI is one of the platform to destroy Islam. Anyway, this is a good news to those who don't like Islam in this country.
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written by KopiO, January 16, 2008 13:35:18
The Malays who are sitting in listed companies like Berjaya, Magnum, Genting should resign too.
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written by Jefus, January 16, 2008 13:37:32
Let us get this straight, the gambling companies, they pay taxes don't they? ( certainly - otherwise they won't be running at all! - best taxpayer I say. ) the money gets into the coffers of the LHDN right? so far so good, ...... do they segregate the money? I think not.

so, what do you think happens to the money once the LHDN gets hold of it? they build buildings, ro***,get the picture?
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written by malaysianohope, January 16, 2008 14:13:30
Greetings Pete,

Seems like quite a while since you last posted another one of your juicy articles.

Anyevent, I would add to your description of the pm: Bodoh Sepat tapi suka Tidur!

As to the Rela stuff, these sadists are better described as "Rela sex"!
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written by prodigalson, January 16, 2008 14:33:58
Hi Pete,

I've gotta agree with you on this matter. First of all, I'm a Hindu but I regard all faiths as good because no religion ever preaches to hurt one another. During my student days, I have mixed and mingled with Arabian Muslim students and the way they conduct themselves really shows that they understand and follow the proper teachings of Islam. Islam is a beautiful religion but for some unscrupulous people in Malaysia, it is viewed in bad light. I doubt it if these so called "Islamic-police" are really well learned in the proper codes and ethics of the religion. They just prove to be shallow minded infidels who betray the teachings of the Holy Prophet. Yes I can call them infidels because they are ruining the people's perception of Islam. How is it that a non-Muslim could lead a more peaceful and prosperous life in the land that gave birth to Islam rather than a land that began embracing it later? If the proper way was followed, no one would worry if Malaysia was an Islamic state, it is only when infidels who use the name of Islam to justify their actions, people worry.
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written by Farmer, January 16, 2008 14:37:50
This is Malaysian way of Islam
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written by GordonLim, January 16, 2008 14:46:47
That was actually funny.
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written by malaysianohope, January 16, 2008 14:48:17
Dear Pete,

While on the subject of Mr Bodoh Sepat. I remember he said how good was the Malaysian share market with the CI shooting pass 1500, which I'm sure was some play by these people to hookwink Malaysians on how good the economy was, just before the election.

Alas as I am writing the CI is now trading 3.6% down with 786 counters down and only 63 counters.

Ha, ha, ha.... It's a massacre!

GOTCHA!

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written by EYFF, January 16, 2008 14:48:58
Why the present misunderstanding of the various Arabic words, the doubt of the religious conviction of the Malaysian Muslims.

Malaysia considered Pakistan, Afghanistan, Libya and other destination in the Middle East, etc to be underdeveloped countries yet the majority of our imams are trained in these countries.

To a start off most our imams have their root in the kampongs and village religious schools. From thence the next destination would be to a religious school in the Middle East and the Indian subcontinent. For an imam educated in Libya to try to convince western educated KL Malay on religious matters and dogmas will not be easy!

The present problem may be due to the competency of the religious teachers and imams, etc. and the general mental development and intelligence of the cleric community!

Most of our imams are not proficient in the understanding of Arabic language although able to recite and intone the Koran fluently!! When any article of their faith come into question most of them instead of referring to the various verses of the Koran, etc would endeavor to answer with their kampong logics, “commonsense”, local customs , etc to the limit of their intelligences, educational background, experience and capability. All of which may be at odd with the (Arabic) Koran!

Perhaps to have a Cleric Class that is less enlightened, less knowledgeable, and less worldly informed, less educated, etc than the general Malay populous, would cause some difficulties in the implementation of the religion and the religious health of the Malay community! Hence to ensure that the Malay keep to Islam, a heavy hand would therefore be required!

Conjecture the followings:-
At present, a religious “graduate” (from Pakistan say) may with 18 signatures, apply for a surau to be built in the area and become the imam. He will get a salary or RM3,000 plus allowances for house, wife and car, etc.
A Malay graduate in engineering, science, economic, medicine, etc from a university such as University Malaya, UPM etc will get a starting salary of RM1200-1800!
Therefore it is not surprising that there are a disproportionate number of Malay female graduates to Malay male graduates.

In the country of the blind the one-eyed man is king? Or the blind leading the blinds?
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written by Xerxes, January 16, 2008 14:54:06
RPK, you said:

"....I too fear Malaysia being turned into an Islamic State. I fear my wife and daughter getting picked up by these perverts because they are perceived as dressing too sexily and then being asked to grant these 'officers of Islam' sexual favours as out of court settlement...."

I am sure there are many more right thinking Malays like you who also abhors the disgusting actions of these "defenders" of Islam commited under the guise of protecting Islamic morals. But what are they doing about it? Maybe I am not looking in the right places but I do not see a lot of objections made about such blatant abuse of power by these sick perverts from right thinking Malays/Muslims. Are they afraid of something? By keeping quiet will embolden these perverts to carry out their despicable acts more frequently because they knew the victims will meekly submit, except of course this one time a woman (where are the men?) decides enough is enough and do something about it.

And of course I have never heard our High Priest of Islam Hadhari( I nearly choked when I read he told the audience in Spain that Islam Hadhari means "to be fair to all...") and his court of jesters ever criticising or condemning such actions. By maintaining their "elegant silence" and not taking any remedial actions, they are sending the message that they condone such actions. So what do you expect? These Islamic Little Napoleons will go on a rampage. You reap what you sow.
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written by antiilluminati, January 16, 2008 14:54:58
Sadly, what you mentioned is nothing but the truth. There is no thugs now. Those from PDRM, RELA, MCA, MIC are the real thugs. As usual thugs are all sex perverts. No doubt about it. I mingled with enforment officers, i knew their behavior right. There is no problem with me if those thugs asking sexual favours from the consent adults but certainly not right to extort for it from the innocents who is earning to feed the family. It seems like banyak "Binatang bertopengkan manusia" is on such jobs.

Our current governance is the root-cause. Leaders are blinded by corruption. True leaders are put behind bard. The rakyat being fed with wrong info ..etc etc.

Touching on race, regardless of any race, there are flaws. Of course there are exceptions but generally Chinese will be very selfish and kiasu. Malays, often lazy and self centred and so is the indian with their own flaws. That is why i chose to see everyone as individual.

Namaste.



My understanding of Islam, is that Islam is a beautiful religion which covers all aspects of life. My Islam knowledge comes from my effort of reading some of greatest materials from the net and certainly not by any Ulamaks. I conduct myself with the Qada & Qadar attitude, with "mindful nawaltu or niat" and i uphold the the "suci dalam debu" concept. I not a muslim but i dare to challenge any muslims that i am more islamic then the rests of those who claimed they are.




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written by alhadee, January 16, 2008 14:58:59
Stop Moral Policing NOW !
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written by onnyap, January 16, 2008 15:04:16
Dear notsosmart,
FYI the standardize sermon delivered by all the imams in the state is prepared every week by the state's Majlis Agama. They are all government servants of BN except Kelantan.
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written by admiral Tojo, January 16, 2008 15:04:59
This ISLAM you all are mentioning is nothing more than imported Arab Facism with the satanic Arab Tribal law, called Syariah, attached. It is all part of the Pagan Arab Stone worshipping Religion. Now do you still wonder why it is full of crap and wickedness, something that the Almighty, the creator of the Universe never prescribed. The Quran has categorically lambasted the Arabs as greatest hypocrites and disbelievers (9:97). Anyone wanting to be Arab wannabes (Malays) fall under the same category as 'Munafeequns - hypocrites'. All the lies that they (Arabs and Arab wannabes) attribute to GOD are being rubbed in their faces, daily and globally.

There are already terrorists amongst our midst, in Government, in Uniforms, in Mosques and Madrasahs, behind and near your homes. Be very aware. These people portray characteristic of being under mass hypnosis. Reason and common sense are something alien to them. They have lost their minds to their disbelieving Mullahs (all of them) and are zombies (the walking dead). This explains why they are so obsessed with death and forget to live a full joyous and righteous (not religious) life. They miss out on most of God's blessings due to their own doing. This cannot, that cannot and they get upset when others enjoy their lives to the fullest. Bollocks to them. If they approach me, I will spray them with a can of fresh pig's blood, this I promise.

Last but not least, the peaceful advises in Quran, due to Arab incorporated lies, have been turned into a book of hate and sectarianism instead. They will reap their fair rewards, as is happening and unfolding in front of our eyes, NOW. All that mumbo jumbo written by Persian folklore writers, of a character created by their disbelieving minds, are their references now, instead of the Quran.

Bollocks to them. I will be there, to witness the circus, at the High Court.

Salaam/Shalom/Peace
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written by astina, January 16, 2008 15:18:25
Consider this..
To become a Police constable what is the qualifications required ...passed SPM??
What is the entry level to become a RELA member ?
..nothing right ..Anyone can become especially if u are malay, burly and with a goatee..

What can u expect from such a character? would these people be pious,honest or kind??
All you can find is "MAT SKODENGS ..sexual perverts and peeping toms..under the cover of moral policing ..

Our stupid goverment must ensure only qualified personnels are allowed to be come RELA members as this organisation has become lawless instead of helping the law.

Once there was a road block manned by our kuda putih and assisted by RELA members..as i was driving a 1971 beetle there were no seat belts ..imagine the audacity of a young PUNK (RELA) shouting at me ..asking me where is my seat belt !!

I gave him and his Kuda putih a piece of my mind and i didnt mince my words ..

Thats we get from RELA members....stupidity , cheats and perverts and they think they are the law !!

I still think all REAL must be licensed and undergo competencey test very 1 or 2 years to remain as a RELA personnel.

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written by fairnessforall, January 16, 2008 15:19:01
If thats the case, even big supermarkets like Giant, Carrefour, Jaya Jusco, Sogo will all have to sack the muslim staff as they too sell liquor and other non halal stuff such as pork. Well better for the non muslims, then there will be more job opportunities for them.
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written by ZamZamAlaKazam, January 16, 2008 15:24:57
...how hilarious...
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written by tcng, January 16, 2008 15:29:25
I beg to differ.... In my opinion ISLAM, at the current state, is enemy of Malay, instead of the other way round.

Malay are by nature very nice, forgiving, understanding and kind-hearted people. Let me say this, which may be racial stereotyping.... Malay are in general kinder than Chinese and Indian Malaysian. Chances of you being cheated by Malay small businesman is lower than you being cheated by Chinese/Indian Malaysian businessman. For those of you who ever live in Kampung, you would understand what I meant.

However, all these had changed with the tide of Islamization in the past 25 years.

Hence, Islam is the problem. Not Malay.

However, there are very few Malay thinkers who have the courage to speak up against the trend.
Is a Malay person no longer Malay if he does not embrace Islam?
I find this hard to comprehend... Should not a Malay a Malay regardless of whether he is Muslim, free-thinker, Christian or Buddhist?

If the Malay intellectuals do not take the lead and change the trend, Malay race will go down the drain together with Islamization , and Malaysia go down together.. and the non-Malay would the the colateral damage.
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written by wongnoball, January 16, 2008 15:31:08
I think it is more appropriate to say that 'Malays are blinded by their religion'. smilies/cool.gif
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written by rayden chan, January 16, 2008 15:44:32
They Malay make the rules and they are the one who break the rules..
pretty fair?

hahaha...sorry to offense those good Malay people out there, but i really agree with the words bodoh sombong.. smilies/wink.gif
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written by bn haramjadah, January 16, 2008 16:01:55
religion t politics = bodoh sombong bigot
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written by michael chick, January 16, 2008 16:06:25
Isn't it about time that Malaysia grew up? A fifty year-old baby babling nonsense in the eyes of the world is not a pretty sight at all. It makes one really embarassed to be "labelled" as a Malaysian. Everything nowadays Malaysian-related seems to be a farce, as the Poem so delicately illustrates.

2011 is approaching. The year where petroleum completely runs out in Malaysia. What happens then? Who will be left with their pants down at ground-zero? Does the government really care?

They are shouting about being "pious" when charging Muslim workers for being employed at "haram" places. In essence, being paid money from "Haram" activities. Then please explain how the collection of "Haram" money from "sin taxes" are "un-Haram"? Doesn't it get channeld into Islamic funds as well? What am I talking about? Tax money from uncle Lim (Genting), gambling (Magnum), floating Casinos, 3D, 4D, Cigarettes, Alchohol, and so on so forth. Doesn' the Government profit monetarily from such "Haram" activities? Worse, "Sin Taxes" contributes to 30% of our GDP. So "Haram money" is ok to accept? Or not? Maybe they laundered it in sand seven times before being put into the Mosque account, thus "cleansing" the Haram Money. If not, how do you legitimise the collection of such "Haram" money? What about collecting tax money from Pork sellers? Shouldn't they be exempted then?

"We, the Islamic Government of Malaysia, of sound mind and body, hereby decree that we shall NOT profit from "Haram" activities. Therefore, if you sell Pork, We will NOT collect tax from you as your income is considered HARAM".

Are people even remotely aware of what's going on around them, or has the teary-eyed angkasawan-related waste of public funds completely obscured basic sanity?
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written by revelation, January 16, 2008 16:31:32
this is part and parcel of evolution. msia are not much different than rome hundreds of years back. rome was a centre of the world due to their empire and military power. but roman catholics priest control everything in the name of christianity. whoever wanted God blessings, asking for forgiveness, baptist or watever must go thru these priests and the rest of the process are pretty similar to what our RELA/authorities did now.

Bible possesion are not permitted to the publics in order to hide the real truth in it. until at 1 point of time under intense public preasure, they had to allowed the member of the public access to bible but not until the rewrite the contents that is against or questioning their own authority. cut short the story..some chaps and true bible scholar manage to translate the original version and the rest...u can ****** it on your own.

i have many nice and learned malay friends. so if i were to blame the bodoh-sombong/sepat malays, it is only bcos they are lazy to study Romans history or perhaps our govt, RELA's, islamic authority are just like the roman priests, controlling and twisting the knowledge so no one can challenge their authority..which is rather too late now.

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written by panca, January 16, 2008 16:37:47
It really is draining lots of energy having to explain, even have to cite examples, take them to places, visit their minds and finally 'only with the hope' (if there is still) they can see and understand the definition of what 'stupidity' means, so stressful having to put a plain problem so gigantic, an age-old item again and again, view under a microscope, just to instill the right value thinking.

Lost, hope they will find their way out of that brain dead.
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written by michael chick, January 16, 2008 16:42:45
"...Is a Malay person no longer Malay if he does not embrace Islam?
I find this hard to comprehend... Should not a Malay a Malay regardless of whether he is Muslim, free-thinker, Christian or Buddhist? ..."
MC: This has been my pet subject for the past year. Techincally speaking, according to Article 160(2) he would cease to be a "malay". But then what race would he become? Strangely, only 24 million Malaysians believe this to be true. The 240 million population of Indonesia do not even want to be called "malays". So begs the question of who really are the "malays"? Should we continue to follow the blatantly flawed definition as found in Article 160(2) for the "malay" definition? Or should we follow Indonesia's definition. What is Indonesia's definition? Orang Melayu is defined to be residents of Kampong Melayu in Jambi, Sumatera. There are approximately 200 residents in this village. So unless you are a descendant of the people from this village, then you cannot be an Orang Melayu. To qualify "Orang Melayu" as a "race" would also mean that you have to acknowledge the Orang Bugis as a race. So with the Hokkien race, TeoChew Race, and the Javanese race, and the Batak race and so on so forth. Indonesians do NOT acknowledge "malay" as a race. Please do not confuse warganegara, bangsa, kaum, puak, or even rumpun with race.

The "malays" are not a race.

Try this, Anyone who speaks Hokkien, dresses like a Hokkien, habitually practices Hokkien cutoms, and is a Buddhist is a member of the Hokkien Race. Lanjut-lah Ketuanan Bangsa Hokkien!!!
Sounds ridiculous? But does it sound familiar?

What should be the term then to describe the constitutional "malays"? The two contenders which come to mind are, "Malayo-Polynesian" or "Austronesian". Take your pick. These are Anthropologically accepted terms; unlike the Hokkien Race analogy.

Here's another example: Twins. Same Biological Mother, same Biological Father. One is "malay" but the other is not. Coz one converted in, or out of Islam.

Malaysian performs amazing "Race-Changing Trick". Unavailable elsewhere in the World!! David Copperfield would become green with envy.......
After all, Mahathir (Indian) did it, Badawi (part Hainanese, part Pakistani) did it, Endon (part Japanese) did it, Jean (Portuguese) did it, Nik Aziz (Vietnamese) did it, and so on so forth...
Maybe we'd have more tourists coming to watch this spectacle as compared to the pathetic "Visit Truly Asia" of last year.
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written by Abakjr, January 16, 2008 16:44:18
I think everybody has been confused ot mislead .The Syariah law of WP on this matter ( employment of women ) does not sepcifically mention places that sells liquor ,but instead it says about places that could expose Mulim women into immoral activities .Thus MAS is not bound by this provision and hence it is not necessary for MAS to retrench it's Muslim workers .Moreover the liquor served on MAS flights are not meant for Muslims . It is not a sin for Muslim stewards/ stewardesses to serve liquor on board MAS flights to a non Muslim if that is part of his/her duty as a worker . It is general knowledge that disos or a pubs are exposed to immoral activities and as such is bound by this provision .
Like the Civil Law there is a provision on ' abetment ' or ' subahah ' .A person could be as guilty as the real offender if he/ she abets the act .
On the allegation that so called ' moral Police' who had illegally taken sexy photgraphs of the detained suspects and also asked for sexual favours , if that is found to be true , all of us should not condone such acts . They should be severely punished because they have tarnished the image of Islam .All these happened because of lack of supervision on the part of the Religious Department . It is high time for these officers in the Religious Department to be more professional in their duties . Raids such as this should be done properly and with tact and should involve the other departments such the Police , Immigration , Local authorities and the ACA in order to avoid unilateral actions which could lead to abuse of power .
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written by sydput, January 16, 2008 16:44:35
let's see now! malaysia is a country that allows liqour to be traded. So all malay muslims should leave immediately for saudi arabia.
religion is so funny. Why people take it seriously is beyong my intelect.
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written by NRR, January 16, 2008 17:04:07
The govt for some reason does not look back at history to learn their lessons. Take RELA for instance. There is no need for them. Previously the Police had the PVR (Police Volunteer Regiment) who were trained by the police and have continuation training to keep them current. They did a good job assisting the police. The PVR were under the control of the Police hence they were regulated and kept in line, unlike the thugs in RELA. I think the politicians like RELA so that though untrained, they can wear uniforms with high ranks. Gaya lah you know whatg I mean. Bring back the PVR and throw the RELA together with their leaders to the dogs.
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written by metal, January 16, 2008 17:05:07
At least out of the 17 arrested, there is one girl with a strong backbone. The rest? Aren't they indirectly encouraging all this absurdity, blatant abuse of power, by keeping quiet?

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written by Hairy Potter, January 16, 2008 17:07:21
RPK wrote,

No, if you have free time on your hands don't waste it by going to the noonday Friday prayers to listen to the imam scream, rant and rave about the enemies of Islam plotting against Islam in their secret agenda to destroy Islam.

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Dear RPK,

As a Muslim, I have to disagree with you on this. It is compulsory for all Muslim men to perform the daily 5 solats and more so the noon Friday prayer(which is more specific to its timing) whether or not they have the time. Its a priority on top of anything else unless your sick and can't go to the mosque and yet, it must be replaced by the normal Zohor solat. I am sure you are very aware of all this.

My request is, be careful on what you say especially on religion because as simple as it seems, there is a very thin line between faith and logic.

Let the imam preach whatever that UMNO wants to preach, we don't have to believe them. I believe we are wise enough to judge the contents of the Friday prayer's sermons.

Those UMNO imams can continue kissing UMNO if the want.

What is important is we perform our duty as a Muslim.

Salam
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written by teo siew chin, January 16, 2008 17:12:39
"This has been going on for more than 30 years."
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Shame on you rakyat who have ALLOWED this sort of vulgarity to go on and on! To allow it to be happening for 3 days itself is unforgiveable more so 30 years! 30 YEARS!! Well, now you eat your hearts out cos it's your children who suffer the consequences and in due time the children after the children. Actually relatively speaking, it's also RPK's fault too - why you wait 30 years before doing anything huh? why? why?
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written by mountainking, January 16, 2008 17:12:39
i won't be surprised becos when i was working with an orphanage home 10 years ago, a young homeless gal went to the orphanage home for shelter and she told us that whilst she was under police custody, she was forced to give blowjob to the policemen blindfolded. I was very angry at that time but knowing that there won't be any evidence to make any complaints as she was blindfolded and unable to point out the group of bastards.
i hope they should implement CCTVs in all interogation rooms or any place where we can see it evidently that the policemen are not abusing their power. we might not able to avoid all events but at least to lower it.
i hope the group of perpetrators will be severely punished. there is no justifications to their inhuman act.
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written by alhadee, January 16, 2008 17:14:54
Dear Abakjr,

Then tell me about riba or interest in Islam, aren't those considered as a big sin in Islam? Are not big sin in Islam is immoral?

But we have numerous Muslims who are working with conventional banks, from the top management to the very bottom.

If your logic is to be applied, then JAWI/JAIS or whoever silly moral police should first arrest those who are working and those who are in subahah/accomplice with conventional banks, starting with those in the Malaysian Cabinet ie. the sleepy head Finance Minister cum PM, Bank Negara staffs right from its governor, who approve these interest taking activities for the Muslims, and right up to Muslims clients who still have conventional accounts with any banks.

After arresting few million Muslims, last but not least, put a big sign in almost every bank; "Entering the premises which promote Riba is an immoral activity and subject to prosecution by the Syariah Court"

I am appealing to all Muslims now, strip those Jabatan Agama idiots of their enforcement power. There is no other way to do it. Support anti moral policing.
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written by Saint, January 16, 2008 17:15:22
I completely disagree with this.
Muslims are the number one enemy of Islam. (not non Muslims)
The so called "moderate Muslims" are actually civilized humans.
They will be as such, even if they were not Muslims.
And most civilized Muslims remain in Islam because they cannot get out.
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written by Bandit, January 16, 2008 17:32:51
I hear this statements made by our so called ulamas all the time.."musuh-musuh Islam". I safely believe they are always refering to the non muslims. Why are these so called people from the religion believed to be chosen by God ( i cant say the All... word..(LOL) ) afraid of the non muslims.

I have only this to say to all these religious BIGOTS. You are just provoking the peaceful non muslims who are not at all interested in your Islam. So dont impose your stupidity on to us to such an extent that the non muslims cant take it any more. You want to practice your extrimist Islam then get out of Malaysia and go back to the land where Islam originated or find another desert you clowns. We are peaceful people.
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written by duncan, January 16, 2008 17:32:52
next step is to have a halal and non halal blood bank!...if they have not already done so la! Religous extremity to the max that it becomes ridiculous...it seems the 'Believers' have lost sight of their own religion...
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written by Abakjr, January 16, 2008 17:38:29
Mr. Alhadee, I was not talking about 'riba' . I was talking about immoral activities as defined in Law , not as defined in the Oxford Dictionary or as what ordinary people like you perceived . In law , immoral activities does not include ' riba ' . Of course ' riba ' is a sin . But we in Malaysia have a choice because there is the Islamic Banking and the Islamic Financing . It is up to our choice . If you do not want to be associated with sins don't go near it . Those who are already in it , it is up them individually to answwer to God later on .Those in power ( I mean the govt.)are also answerable to God for not enforcing strictly according to Syariah .That is why in Islam to be a leader is not an easy thing .
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written by C360, January 16, 2008 17:39:04
IRAN just announced sheep cloning success .. headed by a committee of specialists 2 CLERGY ..

When interviewed on international TV about the potential conflicts between Islam and Science this was what was said by 1 of the 2 clergy .. paraphrased for context ..

"There is NOTHING under God's creation that can be in conflict with God's instructions (ie Quran). If there is any conflict, it is because the clergy is LAZY and has NOT DONE ENOUGH RESEARCH into the matter."

I particularly like another statement which goes HAND-IN-HAND with the above statement .. "The Quran as revealed by God is for ALL men and for ALL time" ..

He further explains that any unresolvable matters are referred to the Ayatollah for final decision.

REad IT AND WEEP .. for a supposedly "extreme" nation like IRAN, they have more "True Islam" than any Malaysian-branded Islam ..
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written by indianputra, January 16, 2008 18:03:15
RPK, no matter what, this article is not nice. When we contribute comments on racial and religious issues, they are often edited and censored. We understand that! But when you start writing on religion and the races and demean them, it worries us. What if the authorities catch up with the author of this article? Believe me, the BN wil have a field day in condeming all the contributors to MT including you stating this is an opposition controlled website (We know it is not the truth, yet they can capitalize on this).

Well, don't throw the bricks at me... just a thought!
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written by panca, January 16, 2008 18:13:11
Those days, I could call out to my friend or someone I know for a day, "Hey Melayu, mana pergi and he would retort, hey Cina, sudah makan ah?"

Today, you could face almost immediate strange stare from people around even you call out a close malay friend. No more, no more we can be as candid and as care-free, we have been and will continue to be polarised by politics of religions and racism.

The 'holier than thou' attitude, the nunnery of public masses are almost impossible to miss an eye. Now "you have lost that loving feeling" like the song belted, it's gone, gone, gone.

It's not odd to think that in Malaysia, the malay are not a race but a religion, and muslim is a race.

Thanks to the quality leadership civilisation 2020.
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written by casper, January 16, 2008 18:22:15
For a long time RPK has been lamenting on this - the religious sorts who do more damage in the name of Islam, and here we have it, this case going to trial.

The plaintiff in this case is one brave soul. A wrong has been done with her suffering the consequences - the obvious crime here in that her person had been violated but I forsee difficulty in addressing the part that legitimises the 'vice raid'. That part of her complaint is one the High Court would shy away from and I doubt the judge would have the gall to make a ruling. Already, we can all anticipate a trial within a trial with the Syariah Court roped in to have this resolve.

From the years of posturing and the emergence of a clergy class today, secular M'sia is no longer what it was. Just one generation ago, M'sia was every much a model Muslim state without putting Islam on the forth. We were a dynamic, progressive society benchmarked as an "Emerging Tiger" by the broadest economic measure - but all that is lost with UMNO and the growing clergy class forcing the whole country to take a few big steps, backwards.

To all with time to spare, heed RPK's call and show up in the public gallery to bear witness and lend support to this brave soul taking on both a screwed up govt and the religious authorities.
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written by alhadee, January 16, 2008 18:23:16
Dear Abakjr,

Based on your answer, you probably belong to the bodoh sombong category as purported by RPK.

Your statement of 'immoral activities as defined in Law.." really shows your mentality. Whose law is it? If it is Syariah Law, then all that is Haram is immoral. Since when Riba is a moral thing in Islam?

Yet many Malay parents are proud if their children are working with Banks, never mind if their children are working for the conventional banking. And many Malays are very proud to have Credit Cards, the higher the credit limit is the better. And almost all of these credit cards are not compliance with Syariah.

Where are JAWI/JAIS officers? Go arrest those Muslims!

Yet you have the nerve to say "But we in Malaysia have a choice because there is the Islamic Banking and the Islamic Financing . It is up to our choice ." and "..Those who are already in it , it is up them individually to answwer to God later on.."

Oh yes, now it is "up to our choice.." and 'answer to God later on..". What about the Muslims who works in pubs, don't your up to our choice' and 'answer to God later on' apply to them as well?

When it involve booze, no Muslims can go near it or else you got JAWI trailing you. When it involves Haram RM, it is "up to our choice" and "answer to God later on..". Double standard hypocritical Malays, I thank God that I am not a Malay.

I am repeating my appeal to Muslims, strip these Jabatan Agama idiots of their enforcement power before it's too late.
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written by cabearth, January 16, 2008 18:45:30
a. RELA does not only raid discos and night clubs but also masjids. Between 1999 and 2004, when Khir Toyo was cracking down on community held masjid all over the state of Selangor, the RELA were used as thugs to break locks and doors and confiscate masjid assets and documents. Plus, they are used to prevent Imams and community-selected mosque officials from operating

b. As for being stupid, please be aware that Malay leaders are the secular elites who uses ISlam just for expediency purposes only. THat's why, on one hand they pretend to implement Islam by making raids but on the other hand they issue liquour licences and expect liqour and gambling owners to finance UMNO political machines.

c. The Islamic legal system in Malaysia is not to be fault at all because the UMNO government is a secular government that has no regards for Islam whatsoever. So, whatever Islamic steps they take will end up mocking Islam.

d. THe Mahkamah Syariah of Selangor is often ruled over by UMNO officials. I know there are many case papers against UMNO leaders caught khalwat but never have these UMNO leaders been prosecuted in Mahkamah Syariah.

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written by radiohead, January 16, 2008 18:57:51
A lot of this sort of people disguise to be spiritual or religious for the need of societal status without having much knowledge or having misled knowledge.
And by acting in the name of religion they assume they are being more spiritual and upholding the religion's name when in reality they don't even practice what they preach.
This is just a crab act og gaining cheap name and fame.
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written by ahmadbadrul40, January 16, 2008 19:40:21
I hope that all the liberal Malays will stand up and fight for their rights. Fight for their freedom. Stand up and don't depend on UMNO or those ketuanan Melayu anymore. It is all bullshit. Ketuanan Melayu is for Malay warlords to abuse their power and to bully their own Malay people.
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written by jaykay, January 16, 2008 19:47:24
tcng wrote:

"I beg to differ.... In my opinion ISLAM, at the current state, is enemy of Malay, instead of the other way round. Malay are by nature very nice, forgiving, understanding and kind-hearted people."

I agree to tcng. Malays used to be like that in the 60's before they become "bumiputeras" under the NEP and got obsessed with Islam especially in last 25 years.

The true Malays with their great culture & adad resam vanished slowly and steadily from this land since the last 500 years ago.

Now you will only find those true Malays in a land called Bali.
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written by ArseneWenger, January 16, 2008 20:39:26
RELA is a passport to sex, looting etc
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written by educationist, January 16, 2008 20:47:52
Dear RPK, you are being too harsh, a few rotten apples cannot be used to judge the whole race. But you have brought up several relevant issues here: those working in the discos etc. are earning a decent pay for themselves and to support their families. If they adhere to the tenets of the religion, why persecute them selectively? Abuse of power by authorities is a common occurrence in our country if anecdotal incidents are to be believed. Those RELA officers concerned have taken to it to a more daring and perverted form. Let's hope they get their due punishment.
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written by Motherchell, January 16, 2008 20:53:24
UMNO is the disease, the prolific likes of you RPK and the the resurgence of a New generation of Malays is the sure cure for the hour this country is dying and crying for. They will never believe you as a patriot -- because they are the enemies of Islam. !!!
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written by hiro, January 16, 2008 20:55:26
Great poetry.
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written by faisal, January 16, 2008 20:57:24
A'kum Pete and Good Day to other readers,
I agree on most of the part of this good article. The only thing that I need to remind my self and my Muslims brothers is that Friday sermon is a part of Friday prayer. Thus missing the sermon mean your Friday prayer will not complete. Whether your prayer is acceptable by Allah or not, that is up to HIM to decide. I'm totally disgust with what the RELA members did to the lady. This kind of people that make Islam looks bad.
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written by mijoan, January 16, 2008 21:34:37
I am sure all the BN’s and UMNO’s ardent supporters from the
Heartland of Johor, Malacca, Pahang, Negeri Sembilan, Perlis,
Kedah, Penang, Perak and Selangor will still vote for them in
spite of knowing that the Ministers in the Government of the
BN are as much involved hand in gloves. The Police can and
will carry on with what they are doing because they know the
BN will definitely win in the forthcoming General Elections.
If only the “good” Malays can visualise all the dirt and filth of
the BN, they will not vote the BN again. If they vote for the
Opposition, Malaysia will at last turn the religion of Islam into
a righteous and a holy Islam the way the holy Prophet envisaged.
The Malays must realise that if the BN can be abandoned and
kicked out then Malaysia will be a better country where even the
Non-Muslims may voluntarily convert to Islam and perhaps too
vise versa. The Malays at last would gain their true and total
Independence since 1957.
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written by harrbm, January 16, 2008 21:42:36

Dear YM RPK

Sometimes i feel like implementing those laws in those black and white of malay movies.
For those convicted for corruption, to behead the offender all his immediate family members. For those convicted for adultery... shaft along bamboo pole into the ******* of both offenders. For those convicted of stealing including stealing from the rakyat, to cut off both the hand.

Maybe it is harsh but maybe it will work. what do you think?

cheersssssssssss

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written by mijoan, January 16, 2008 21:42:50
Can Karpal help them? The Police will win. Like the Altantunya-C4 case,
the IGP & AG are there to do the needful, ensuring victory for the Police.
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written by orangmsia, January 16, 2008 21:48:58
"Before Hindraf he represents Indian community
The longest serving minister that he*** MIC"
watch his 'gila' comment':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3atg7bGgc7k
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written by DontPlayGod, January 16, 2008 22:43:44
michael chick wrote:

"Techincally speaking, according to Article 160(2) he would cease to be a "malay".

Then he can be classified as "dan lain lain".

Remember, Malaysia is the only country in the world to have this stupid rule/law. I am not apologizing for using the word stupid. How else can you put it?
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written by Compadre45, January 16, 2008 22:45:24
I choose to stand neutral with my comment and i believe that YM PRK is not referring to all malays as enemies to Islam. After reading his article, it only striked my mind the actual enemies are described as below :

Whether you agree with me or not, politics and religion is going towards a wrong direction in Malaysia. Umno should not mix politics with religion. With Umno's support, this provides power of authorithy and opportunity for Muftis and Imams to profess their own ideas and misinterprate and modify Islam e.g Allah and God, Mazzu issue, etc.

Islam in its original form ( based on Al-Quran ) practices, peace and moderation and is a good religion, as any . Islam in Malaysia is modified by fanatics and extremist who handles religious affair that cater more for Political directions and also to supress and deprive other ethnics religious practices. This is to make the message clear that Malaysia is a Islamic Nation as the majority are malays and they are muslims. With Ketuanan Melayu and such religious extremism does not favour peace and unity between Malays (not all) and other ethnic races from different religious background.

At least two thirds of our miseries spring from human stupidity, human malice and those great motivators and justifiers of malice and stupidity, idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing zeal on behalf of religious or political idols.




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written by DontPlayGod, January 16, 2008 22:59:11
From all that we have been reading in the blogs, and the main news media, and TV/radio, there is very little that cannot be classified as "haram".

Supermarkets should not employ Muslims, as pork in various packings are sold there. So they are working in a haram place. Or maybe there should be a law that prohibits Muslims from working in such places. Or maybe Muslims should not work in hotels, as hotels stock and sell alcoholic drinks, thus making the hotels a "haram" place to work in. Or maybe they can overcome that by building an Islamic hotel for Muslims only. Non-Muslims may "dirty" the place. The list goes on and on and on.....

As for MAS, the problem can easily be surmounted. Stop serving alcoholic drinks and haram food on MAS planes. After all they have already begun serving only halal food. So it is just another small step to stop selling alcoholic drinks. Then MAS can also specify the dress code for passengers to conform to Islamic dressing. Again the list goes on, and on, and on.......

I guess the only thing to ensure that the environment is not haram for Muslims is to turn Malaysia into a full-fledged Islamic state like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan and all the rest of the failed states. I guess this is what the Islamists are working for and which I have often blogged about. Another 15 to 25 years for this to come true? At the way things are going, yes?
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written by bexe, January 16, 2008 23:22:55
Our wonderful Imam of Islam Hadhari has to first clean up his own act, clean up the act of his family,clean up the act of his cabinet, clean up the act of his fellow Islam Hadhari hypocrites before he can stand up to expouse his version of Islam. otherwise he is a laughing stock. These are horrific indictments of all the hypocrisy that engulfs our nation. They say 'fish rots from the head'
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written by Commonsenses, January 16, 2008 23:35:52
Rpk, many of your article such as this one should be translated in bahasa so as to allow many more people to read especially the kampung folks. It exposes how the urban malay brothers do to their own people who need to cari makan. This people do not realised that people works acoording to their capabilities not looking for jobs on moral ground as compare to some of the bros who on the surface look morally clean and using the laws to protect themselves from corruption and evil deeds. if to compare this people really work for a living are decent people compare to some corrupt officers.
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written by Abakjr, January 16, 2008 23:45:19
Mr.Alhadee , no wonder you are not a Muslim and thus can't understand Islam and syariah .Let me put it to you again that even in in Civil Law , immoral activities does not not include earning from interest or ' riba' ' . Generally immoral activities are activities such as prostitution and gambling where there is a legislation on it . There is no provision in the Syariah Law of Wilayah Persekutuan that clearly stipulate or define immoral activities which include ' riba' as immoral activities although accordingly it should o include . This is so because a law which include riba as an offence according to the Syariah of WP has yet to be promulgated / passed by Parliment .Jawi/Jais simply could not do anything because there is yet such a law, unless and until Malaysia has legally become an Islamic state when Jawi/Jais could enforce in total the laws as stipulated in the Quran .From you comments obviously you do not have a background on Law and you do not understand how it works .
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written by lokenpal, January 16, 2008 23:45:40
I think its ironic that for all religions, the enemy is the people within that faith/religion. Its kind of obvious isn't it?
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written by DontPlayGod, January 17, 2008 00:47:00
compadre45 wrote:

"Umno should not mix politics with religion."

Friend, UMNO has been mixing politics with both race and religion, and they have done it so well, that the Malays see UMNO as their God. And anybody who is anybody in UMNO knows that if they don't play the race and religious card, they will get nowhere in UMNO, or get the support of the Malays.

Look at all the supreme council members of UMNO, look at the oldest serving ministers in UMNO, tell me who does not use the race and religious card even now. Rafidah? Najib? And even our own Imam Hadhari uses them to remain in power. Until and unless the Malays see that there is beauty and unity in diversity, until and unless UMNO and the Malays see that equality and justice is what politics and good governance is all about(I'm sure Islam also views it such), then our country is heading to be another Zimbabwe, Iraq, or Pakistan.
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written by Motherchell, January 17, 2008 01:05:24
RPK -- in your figure of speech you even show your frustration to all thats happening holding your love ones close to your heart and expressing your fears. I admire you for that, pete.

Figuratively and speaking with no holds barred with Full Logic,

The Imam of Islam Hadhari, could not have married JEAN OFF THE SHELF!! As a human being , he would have dated her before marrying (even if it was just 3 days to marriage that you've known a wife you were going to marry) , and holding her hands to express his love and care. Its a process before marriage. Men all over the world agree to all that i say .if you don't, you're no earthling.

Now comes my question. Were all the RELA guys sleeping or giving a handicap????????????? and i would like to know the top secret lovers haunt reserved for their cronies.
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written by Thomas47, January 17, 2008 01:57:56
Too bad I won't be able to attend and witness the trial. Distance is the main reason and therefore I'll have to rely on news reports be that from the mainstream or the 'alternative' medias.

It'll be quite interesting to see how the accuseds will make their entrance. Whether they will walked up staight and proud as the sanctimonious clods they are or like always, the 'malu-malu' types, walking or dragging their feet while stooping so low to avoid the cameras. If any of them ever dreamnt of that 15 minutes famous theory, they've got it now.

I sincerely hope that if found guilty, they will be dealt with accordingly as required by the law. I hope they have learned a good lesson here that they might still walked away scot free with a slight tap on the wrist because they were given the opportunity to defend themselves in a court of law. But did they accorded the poor girls the same opportunity? No! They took one look at them and their honest jobs and already marked them as cheap. That is really sickening. Buat malu kaum lelaki. Buat malu pada agama. Win or loose they are perverts of the worst kind. Puihhh!
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written by alhadee, January 17, 2008 03:34:18
Abakjr, why so fast in labeling me as non muslim eh? Just because I said I am not a Malay, does not mean I am not a Muslim. Ah yes, I forget, Malay=Muslims so a native ethnic Sarawakian like me is not a Muslim even if I recited Syahadah a million times.

And a non Muslim means automatically can't understand Islam or syariah? Now I wonder if you are one of those Imams who blame everything on the Kafirs. Hmmm..

And it is no wonder that non Muslims look down on Islam. Don't blame the non Muslims my friend, blame it on the Muslim like yourself.

Allow me a little demonstration on how silly a so called syariah-expert like you could be, first, your earlier statement of It is not a sin for Muslim stewards/ stewardesses to serve liquor on board MAS flights to a non Muslim if that is part of his/her duty as a worker .

Where do you learn your Syariah from Abakjr? Kindergarten?

I could refer to you atleast 2 hadith which clearly stated that serving liquor to anyone are prohibited. And oh yes, if you are talking about Selangor, Section 18 specifically and in details specified that not only consuming alcohol is prohibited but offering alcohol is prohibited as well.

So what RPK said is true, we have half baked Syariah laws run by moral police idiots and yes, I am sure there are not many Malays who would not side with the poor girl simply because she works in the pub. Yet, I bet many of these Malays won't mind to be involved in Riba, one way or another.

Ask any Muslims whether they have credit cards, and I bet you many do. Many will gladly show you one or more cards sticking in their wallets. And the higher the status is i.e higher credit limit, the faster will they flash it to you. And dont forget to asked how much they are charged annually for the interest.

If the answer is no, I dont have any credit cards, ask gently if they had applied before. They might shy away from that, not because they are ashamed to be caught applying a riba-based credit cards but because the application was turn down by the respective banks.

Yet many of these Malays look down upon those who works in clubs or discos. And yet many of these Malays who stare at you if you happen to be holding hands with your girlfriends/boyfriends in parks. RPK is right about one thing, the Malays is the enemy of Islam.

The existing moral policing under the so called syariah laws is itself contradict with Islam. I call upon the fair minded Malaysians to pressure the government in stripping these Jabatan Agama Moral Police of their enforcement powers.
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written by united, January 17, 2008 06:04:13
Dear RPK,
These are very serious allegations and I think we have to be extra careful. You and I agree that there are good muslims and bad muslims as there are good jews & bad jews...good christians and bad christians. When you say these people are `the upholders of the dignity of Islam', I presume you were referring to officers of the Religous Dept.(cos I think it's inappropriate to regard the police & RELA officers as `the upholders of the dignity of Islam').
My contention is, was it the officers of the Religious Dept. that took those sexy photographs & demanded settlement by way of sexual favours? If yes, then you have every right to condemn these so-called `the upholders of the dignity of Islam'. If it was the RELA or police officers who did those allegations, then we should appropriately direct our accusations to the Police & RELA specifically and, not really `the upholders of the dignity of Islam'.(Hey I know some exceptionally good officers in the Religious Dept. who are doing everything they can within their capacity & ability to really uphold the dignity of Islam and we shouldn't disappropriately undermine their credibility with inaccurate serious allegations).

In any way, RPK Sir, much has been said about the inefficiency, discredibility, untrustworthiness, chronyism, filthiness etc, of the current ruling coalition of our beloved country. I couldn't agree more to most, if not all, of the allegations that have appeared in this blog the others (blogs). Being in the govt services myself, I'm aware of many of these foul plays, `dirty tricks' etc. But tell me, what choice do we have now? Tell me if we now have a credible alternative. Can we trust the Pembangkang coalition? Who...Anwar Ibrahim? He had his chance for quite some time and at the top post in the govt. & in UMNO ! Were things any better during his time? Can we believe in PAS - DAP working together?

Yes of course, we all love this country and want this nation to go in the right direction. My bottom line is...at the moment, I think I can only trust you. So...NOW WHAT ? We will be putting our pens to PANGKAH that ballot paper soon, AND ...what's the strategic plan?
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written by Tompios, January 17, 2008 07:23:28
Raja Petra, I think you have good material of thought. As for me, I believe the enemy of Moslem is Quran itself and so that Malay is enemy of Islam. Why? Most Moslem fellows in this country know nothing about Quran. They do not learn and study Quran hermeneutical. The only thing they learn is how to pronounce the Quran with understand the truest messages of God word by word. Indirectly, Malay treat Quran as their enemy. Just look at Malay when they treat Chinese, Indian, Kadazan or Non-Muslim. These non-muslim only valued for their wealth, private part, and so on.
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written by Tompios, January 17, 2008 07:25:24
The only thing they know is pronouncing the quran without understanding for what its meaning for.
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written by lokenpal, January 17, 2008 09:38:54
Harry Porter >>My request is, be careful on what you say especially on religion because as simple as it seems, there is a very thin line between faith and logic.

I think its rpk's instrospection of religion and reality. He has done more for Malaysia's awareness of human rights and democracy; than our everday politician. Never met him but hear him loud and clear.

>>I think its ironic that for all religions, the enemy is the people within that faith/religion. Its kind of obvious isn't it?
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written by tcng, January 17, 2008 09:47:51
Dear michael chick,
I disagree ............. There is no doubt that Malay is a race. Indonesia is anotehr race, whether the two are the same is for them to decide. Similarly, Taiwanese are of Chinese race same as mainland Chinese. Race is not just 'blood'. It is combinations of various factors such as culture, language , common history and in some instance, Religion. It is a 'Club'. TDM consider himself Malay and he is accepted as Malay by the member of the club, period.

Why is Hokkien not a race... reason is simple :- Hokkien consider themselves a subject of Chinese race and are accepted as such.
Manchu was the 'race' that ruled China from late 1600s to 1900 - the Qing Dynasty.The Manchu was the 'Bumi-Putera' of China than and enjoyed a lot of privileges like the Bumi in Malaysia today. Manchu has a different language from Han Chinese. But today, few, if any, Manchu consider themselves seperate race. They now consider themselves Chinese and are accepted as Chinese.

Allow me to side track....(Food for thought) one of the reason of the decay of Qing Dynasty in the 1800s is the Special Previleges accorded to the Manchu race... The Manchu became conplacent.. many take it for granted that since the Emperor is Manchu, they are the Royal Race, and they expect preferential treatment.



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written by tcng, January 17, 2008 09:49:02
Correction... Hokkien consider themselves a SUBSET of Chinese race and are accepted as such
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written by batsman, January 17, 2008 09:58:03
In response to RPK’s blog “Malays, the enemy of Islam” and in the interest of balance, I would like to posit my observation that the Chinese are their own worst enemies.

In Malaysia, the Chinese have broken up into 2, 3 or 4 camps. One camp slavishly sucks up to UMNO in return for tit-bits and contracts – in essence selling themselves. Obviously the Chinese in this camp are already their own worst enemies, no need to say more.

The other camp slavishly sucks up to Singapore as a role model for Malaysia’s own development. They seem to in the opposition but are they really? Inside the opposition , they play their splittist role, take foreign ideological positions as their own and engage in chauvinistic stand. They give the BN a free run by splitting opposition votes and strengthen UMNO’s racism by confronting UMNO with equally racist and provocative arguments and then backing down whimpering when UMNO uses this as an excuse to rile the Malays.

There may be a third Chinese camp which often falls into one or the other of the above. This camp sucks up not so much to tiny Singapore but to powerful Britain, US or Australia as role models. This delayed effect of finding sweet nectar as champions of western interests which gives them the psychological high horse of looking down on everybody else, often pushes some familes to migrate. Now I have said in the past that I see economic immigrants as people who prostitute themselves whether willingly or by force of circumstance. For some families where grandpa, papa and sonny boy are immigrants, it would seem to be the family vocation.

What is the net effect of the Chinese role in Malaysia? There may be a 4th Chinese camp, but their influence is not much felt as yet. So, apart from contributing wealth and taxes, maybe, I think better to leave it to the Indians to play a bigger role.
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written by FFT, January 17, 2008 10:36:24
batsman said:
Now I have said in the past that I see economic immigrants as people who prostitute themselves whether willingly or by force of circumstance.


Ah, the poor Malay. He doesn't even realize it when the coconut husk is crumbling all around him and is about to bury him for good.
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written by ultraman, January 17, 2008 11:19:36
Corruption is more haram i think!
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written by Yew Loke, January 17, 2008 11:40:34
Lets find Namewee to sing the poem and upload it on YOUTUBE! gonna be a hitz song.!!!
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written by Raja Gasper, January 17, 2008 11:55:06
Malay version of Islam is branded as more pure than the "Arabian" version of Islam.
Later the Malays will overan the Arabian's as the Masters of Islamic Guardianships.
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written by michael chick, January 17, 2008 12:06:25
Dear tcng, it is your full right to agree or disagree, and I respect that. And it is in that light which I wish to address your statement/ comment for the others.

"...I disagree ............. There is no doubt that Malay is a race. Indonesia is another race, whether the two are the same is for them to decide..."
MC: If an Indonesian were to migrate to Malaysia, he is called a constitutional "malay". But what happens when a constitutional "malay" migrates to Indonesia? Does he remain a "malay"? or is he "reclassified" and "renamed" as the puak/ kaum of his origin?
MC: Whatever the decision(s) of these goverments are, they still have to understand the meaning of the word "race" before they can intelligently use it. Therefore, established dictionary and anthropological definitions are consulted. Article 160(2) was obviously written either with total abence of the understanding of the word "race", or a blatant total disregard for the definition of the same. Either way, Malaysia has broken the norm. Nobody else in the world has to accept this anomalie then (aside from being polite)

"...Similarly, Taiwanese are of Chinese race same as mainland Chinese..."
MC: Yes, and they would fall under the overall classification of Mongoloid a well. BTW, so do the Austronesians, but NOT the Australo-Melanesians who would fall under the Negroid category. The Malayo-Polynesian category includes both, as much inter-breeding has happened over the past 6,000years in the region.

"...Race is not just 'blood'..."
MC: You are right. Race is usually defined as "Separation by physical differences, ie hair color, skin color, eye color, bone structure, lineage, paternal/ maternal and so on so forth..." And it does not matter which dictionary or encyclopedia you choose. They all define it the same way. Interestingly, even our local dictionaries define race the same way. Strangely, the Constitution does not.

"...It is combinations of various factors such as culture, language , common history and in some instance, Religion..."
MC: You are obviously using a dictionary/ encyclopedia that I am unaware of. Perhaps you can quote this reference for our edification and joint education??

"...It is a 'Club'. TDM consider himself Malay and he is accepted as Malay by the member of the club, period..."
MC: Do they show acceptance by calling him "Budak Keling" as we so often heard during UMNO Meetings in the past? Why then do you still have definition like "Indian Muslim"? Let me try. You can "equate" a religious group as a form of a "club", by loosely defining that it is "a congregation of individuals of similar belief". Hence they form this "xxx" religious group. But the fact is that The "Indian" defines the race, and the "Muslim" defines his/ her religion; hence, "Indian Muslim".

MC: For one to accept the inaccurate reclassification of the "malay" as a race based on religion, would also have to accept the inclusion of the Buddhist race, the Hindu Race, the Catholic Race, the Skinhead Race, the Aethist Race, the Sikh Race (should be correctly re-tagged as Punjabi tribe, or Caucasian/ Aryan Descent) and so on so forth. This to me seems a little strange, and quite unacceptable. But who am I to decide what is acceptable or not? I just turn back to the universally accepted definition(s) as presentated in established and reputable Dictionaries and Encyclopedias.

MC: And that my friend, is how I conclude that the "malays" are still not a race despite your explaination which perhaps needs a little revision. Cheers Man
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written by The learned one, January 17, 2008 13:31:15
Dear all,

We are all back in the Wild Wild West days ... literally !!!!

The modern day cowboys are the Malays in Malaysia ... with the 'lembu' and 'babi' being the Indians and Chinese respectively. The guns of the West have been replaced by RELIGION which is carried at the waist by the 'cowboys'. Ulamamks and Imams have a double holstered guns araound their waist ... by status. All cowboys like in the West 'herd up' the 'animals' and bahave totally uncivilised towards little girls and women. They get drunk and have brawls in saloons (in Malaysia ... it is the PWTC) from time to time. The cowboys live off the 'animals' by killing them ... eventually and ride into the sunset.
I guess the horse in this story must be Petronas and all the oil money.

So tell me .... how different are we now or have we progressed at all .... intelectually !!!

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written by ASP Bagok, January 17, 2008 13:40:37
Dear Harry Porter,
RPK bukan surah orang jangan sembahyang Jumaat....baca la betul2. Aku tak terre English pun dapat paham maksud ayat tu....kemon la...
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written by Rock, January 17, 2008 13:47:04
Pls remember Muslims obligation in 'amal ma'rof and nahi mungkar' and in performing Friday prayer. Dont let bathil mixed with haq. Malay is a race and not Islam religion therefore it doesnt represent Islam per se. Lets take to the court the wrong doers but do not take it as a reason to bash Islam. May Allah guide us all.
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written by ASP Bagok, January 17, 2008 13:53:09
sori..bukan surah tapi suruh
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written by alhadee, January 17, 2008 15:19:31
united said "..(Hey I know some exceptionally good officers in the Religious Dept. who are doing everything they can within their capacity & ability to really uphold the dignity of Islam.."

Say united, uphold the dignity in what way? By becoming peeping tom, or videotaping couples in parks only to upload it to youtube later? or crashing into private properties? Take your pick.

Hey, we got another one here from rock's statement "Pls remember Muslims obligation in 'amal ma'rof and nahi mungkar'..". Nice figure of speech, wonder why many idiots use that when they try to justify their pervert actions .

All I can see is nahi mungkar everywhere I go you silly idiot. Where is the amal ma'rof?

Do we see any Alcoholic Anonymous (Bet they dont know what this is) organized by any of the idiotic Jabatan Agama? Did you see them trying their best to approach or persuade those working in the so call haram places to work somewhere else or maybe try their very best to find these sinners a better job?

I think not. Nothing much could be expected from pea brain.

Those Jabatan Agama idiots is now following the path of the Christians. You don't believe me? Search through the history of the churches in Europe.

Say no to moral policing. Strip these Jabatan Agama perverts of their enforcement power. This is my appeal to you all.
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written by kangaroo, January 17, 2008 17:22:56
Guys,
If I may say so our country is in this state just because The Malays have forgotten the real teachings of Islam and have taken up the new religon of Tamak dan Malas. Sorry but the truth hurts .
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written by emg385, January 17, 2008 17:27:39
A vote for BN is a vote for UMNO and PM's ISLAM HANCURI/HANCUR-DIRI policies.All Malaysians must REJECT BN to put an end to UMNO's antics & ISLAM HANCURI policies.

P.S ISLAM HANCURI/HANCUR-DIRI=Hidden Agenda of Islam Hadhari
i.e.--body snatching of dead bodies from families,forced separation of mothers from their children in the name of religion,snatching of illustrated CHRISTIAN children's book because they offend MUSLIM sensitivities?!!,destruction of NON-Muslim places of worship to "balance" their numbers against MUSLIM places of worship,Copyrighting the Name of GOD for Malaysian Muslims,Destroying the NON-ISLAMIC past of Malays as if they were "ALLAH's" chosen RACE,calling for removal of religious symbols such as crosses & statues from buidings etc(ala "lets wipe out evidence that Non-Muslims exist in this country so that we appear more ISLAMIC"-In order to attract more OIL money from the Ignorant Arabs, we must appear to be more ISLAMIC than the Arabs themselves!!)

What's next??--Banning of all Cubic structures or Cubic children's toys because they resemble the HOLY CUBE that Muslim's face daily for their prayers(because it offends MUSLIMS), Copyrighting of words such as NABI, SEMBAHYANG, PUASA, KITAB, etc, Banning of Robes,Prayer Be***,Head scarf, Beards for any Non-Muslim so that they will not be mistaken for Muslims.( GOD may get confused!!)???, Cabinet ruling that only Muslims can speak/write in Arabic language because it is Allah's language??

I have a Question for all PURITAN muslims!!!If a KHAFIR eats NON-HALAL food all his/her Life eg PORK and Alcohol, and later donates their organs upon Death, is it HALAL for Malay-MUSLIMS to receive these Organs into their bodies? If YES, isn't that Sheer HYPOCRISY?? Anything is possible in ISLAM HANCURI/HANCUR DIRI!!
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written by michael chick, January 17, 2008 17:54:29
Malaysia is DEPERATE !!! With petroleum COMPLETELY running out in 2011, we have NO OTHER sustainable resource to depend on. Because the government has so openly professed that "We are Islamic", Malaysia has no choice, but to turn to other Islamic countries for money. It's a little like begging. There is so much fear of being associated with the Americans because of its Jewish ties that the Malaysian government is too "pai seh" (malu/ embarrased) to ask for help in that direction. It's a simple PRIDE/ religious problem.
Here is reality, till today, there has been NOT ONE middle-eastern major investor in Malaysia since she declared "brotherhood" with the middle-easterns. Why? Whatever answers one comes up with will be speculative. But it remains a great mystery. The painful truth is that middle-eastern money is NOT here.

Truly Asia Truly Pokai in 2011
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written by readmylips, January 17, 2008 18:28:09
What do you expect when these people of the faith allow a particular gender to marry beyond one but not vice versa. When they oppress women, when they have the luxury to verbally divorce, rape etc. etc. How can they be fair to others when they themselves are not fair to each other.

Have mercy on them Allah for they do not know what they do.
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written by kooiseng, January 17, 2008 22:07:41
Don't forget that there was a time when Dr M was PM he had an Information Minister who demanded sex from singers(and actresses) who want to have their songs aired over Radio Malaysia and their films shown over TV Malaysia. It took a very long time after lots of publicity in magazines like FEER, before he was left out of the election. Talking about morality, it looks like non Muslims are holier than Muslims.
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written by Panca Indera, January 17, 2008 22:12:31
Dear All
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1. written by rayfire, January 16, 2008 | 12:22:03
This is what happens when religion is forced onto people, they become so pressed that they find other avenues to vent their frustration.
Wrong! This is what happens when people who are perverted or uneducated and low Moral are given POWER. Nothing to do with religion.

written by the1, “Funny thing, thugs that buat malu of their own religion actually get more votes....pathetic country.”
Sorry, Don’t say pathetic country, it’s the BN, UMNO, MCA, MIC leadership that’s pathetic.

admiral Tojo: NOW. All that mumbo jumbo written by Persian folklore writers, of a character created by their disbelieving minds, are their references now, instead of the Quran. Please named the Persian Folklore writers, so that I can understand better.

Written by TCNG: However, all these had changed with the tide of Islamization in the past 25 years. Hence, Islam is the problem. Not Malay.
“Here we go again blaming Religion for Man’s moral weaknesses. Get real man, are you anti-Islam?

written by revelation: This is part and parcel of evolution. msia are not much different than rome hundreds of years back.
Look at USA, UK, China, Russia, South Africa, Germany, Iran and many others that has done well. Are you sure its evolution faults?

written by michael chick,:That should be the term then to describe the constitutional "malays"? The two contenders which come to mind are, "Malayo-Polynesian" or "Austronesian". Take your pick. These are Anthropologically accepted terms;
Saya Bangsa Nusantara dari keturunan Acheh, Sulewasi dan Malabaris from Kerala, definitely not MELAYU(wilted)

Hairy Potter’”Let the imam preach whatever that UMNO wants to preach, we don't have to believe them. I believe we are wise enough to judge the contents of the Friday prayer's sermons.”
Isn’t that being a Hypocrite, Going to a place of Worship and sit and listen to something that you don’t believed just so you can pray and lead by the Chief Hypocrite. If you are wise enough you would do a Socrates or Ahmadenajad.(take the poison or speak up)

written by educationist, : Dear RPK, you are being too harsh, a few rotten apples cannot be used to judge the whole race.
“ Sometimes you need to be cruel in order to be kind,

written by faisal,:I agree on most of the part of this good article. The only thing that I need to remind myself and my Muslims brothers is that Friday sermon is a part of Friday prayer. Thus missing the sermon mean your Friday prayer will not complete.

Friday sermon is not a part of Friday prayer .It is a part of Jumaah prayer that takes place every Friday at Noon. And just because You go to the Government backed mosque every Friday and put up with the propaganda does not give you right to tell others to follow suit.

By United:But tell me, what choice do we have now?
The altenative lah,
Tell me if we now have a credible alternative.
FFive years of Alternative to correct 30years of mismanagement is not worth the gamble?
Ask any gamble what the chance of success with thatkind of odds.

Can we trust the Pembangkang coalition?
Look at the result of your trust these past decades.
Who...Anwar Ibrahim?
The Guy who was beaten black and blue for refusing to bend his principles!
He had his chance for quite some time and at the top post in the govt. & in UMNO !
He tried to change the system from within , where have you been all my life dear?

Were things any better during his time? Can we believe in PAS - DAP working together?
Nobody asking you to believe, just give them A CHANCE!!!! Which they never ever had!!!!!!!!!!!
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written by OrdinaryMan, January 17, 2008 22:26:40
Dear Everyone,

If it is not already too late, perhaps we should take a look at the great foresight of the founders of the American constitution at
http://interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1292

Personally, I think religion is just an excuse - period.

Cheers
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written by Uncorruptible, January 17, 2008 23:56:39
Religious hypocrisy abound, also in the mca. Take Tan Chai Ho the deputy minister. He officiated a Buddhist ceremony in the Buddhist Temple in Brickfields and also in Sentul. After that he admitted he called himself a BUddhist but actually knew nothing about Bhuddhism. How dare he officiate Buddhist ceremonies in the holy temples? Of course the lay temples' committees have been taken over by the mca. Are these Buddhists?
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written by Compadre45, January 18, 2008 00:56:09
"Umno should not mix politics with religion."
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DontPlayGod wrote:

Friend, UMNO has been mixing politics with both race and religion, and they have done it so well, that the Malays see UMNO as their God. And anybody who is anybody in UMNO knows that if they don't play the race and religious card, they will get nowhere in UMNO, or get the support of the Malays.

Look at all the supreme council members of UMNO, look at the oldest serving ministers in UMNO, tell me who does not use the race and religious card even now. Rafidah? Najib? And even our own Imam Hadhari uses them to remain in power. Until and unless the Malays see that there is beauty and unity in diversity, until and unless UMNO and the Malays see that equality and justice is what politics and good governance is all about(I'm sure Islam also views it such), then our country is heading to be another Zimbabwe, Iraq, or Pakistan.

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Friend... thanks for the reminder, but i already knew this before. Before i begin, I am not a supporter of BN..... but a supporter for Opposition and thats where my vote is going for this coming election 2008.

My friend , are you implying to me, in your comment ,that all Malays are morons like those key Nincompoops who runs UMNO currently ?? Probably you have not been mixing well with malays to understand that this is not the case. Me being a malay and my bunch of Malay friends across malaysia are interested in politics but we dont like the idea of our govn mixing religion and politics to govn a nation of multi ethinic society. Whether its Umno or PAS it makes no difference to us. So please understand the reason why i stress on "Umno should not mix politics with religion."

I know its not going to easy to change this concept in UMNO today and this may take a long time to fade away with those old generaton still holding key position in UMNO currently. As the old generation steps down new generation will take over ... people like Hisha, Khairy etc .... I am not refering to this generation as well. This may take another 30 - 40 years to see logical thinking Malays of newer generation in the forefront to run UMNO.

As for now lets not build castles in the air, to think that we can easily overthrow a govn( UMNO and BN ) just by voting for Opposition . Lets be realistic when we say things like this.

For you info our Opposition is still weak as they are not united like how BN is..Its going to impossible for Opposition to unite and form "a" strong coalition party like BN and to fill at least 1/3 majority in Parliment. BN can use corruption and most importantly " Money Politics " to win over those " Standing middle of the fence " votes. Recently Najib's way of using MYR2 Billion for Kelantan votes is a good example. They have the money and they have the power and they are definately corrupted.

What is our so call Opposition's strength against this corrupted BN idiots ? The Opposition parties like DAP , PKR and PAS on several attempts fail to unite and only recently we saw PKR and PAS ar making some attempts. Its always the issue of " who is the Boss", if they were to unite.

The only thing for us to do is simply vote any opposition party to shrink UMNO and BN seats in Parliment , state and federal level. But than again lets be frank, if BN plays similar tricks like the ones in the past or new tricks unknown to us during this election, what are the chances for Opposition parties to gain more seats in Parliment. Our Opposition till today runs with the concept of " Every man for himself " or sorry " Every Party for Itself " and its impossible for them to unite due to the question of race ,religion and autocracy. Pas had these to cosider most of the time, so do PKR ,DAP and etc. So our Opposition are only divided against the united BN.

This may take another 2-3 elections or even more to change their concepts, until all the Opposition realise the importance to unite to form one coalition party.

Please Check this out .

Malaysian Yumpies Just Wanna Have Fun
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Thursday, 17 January 2008
Bored with politics: UMNO is sooo last century


Its a blessing in disguise that this article came up in MT today.After reading " Malaysian Yumpies Just Wanna Have Fun ".... this are the new generation of malays i am refering to, that may fade away mixing politics and religion as future politicians. I hope my make my point clear. " Times are changing and people do change along with time ."


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written by Compadre45, January 18, 2008 01:04:58
Sorry typo err:

Its a blessing in disguise that this article came up in MT today.After reading " Malaysian Yumpies Just Wanna Have Fun ".... this are the new generation of malays i am refering to, that may fade away mixing politics and religion as future politicians. I hope i make my point clear. " Times are changing and people do change along with time ."
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written by Panca Indera, January 18, 2008 01:47:19
Dear All,
Today the 10th of Muharram, 18th Jan or Ashura is a very important date for people who love justice and despise corruption and immoral practices. ***** for link http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Day of Ashura . to find out more.

GIVE A MISS FOR JUMMAH PRAYER TODAY AND GO TO THE HIGH COURT JALAN DUTA TO SUPPORT THE COMMON STRUGGLE FOR JUSTICE AND AGAINST CORRUPTION.

It would be better to show our support for the victim of oppression and cruelty than to be seated in a Mosque and listen to the same sermon week in week.(you can perform your noon prayer anytime before Asar anyway.

By showing up at the high Court, you are telling the BN government that you have had enough of its corrupted practices. But be careful and cautious as not to create disturbance.

May Allah bless your efforts

Salam
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written by monstercat, January 18, 2008 03:54:00
Written by Raja Gasper:
Malay version of Islam is branded as more pure than the "Arabian" version of Islam.
Later the Malays will overan the Arabian's as the Masters of Islamic Guardianships.
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So, Raja Gasper, the Muslims are in a competition for the title "The World's Most Righteous Muslims" or "The World's Most Original Muslims" or "The World's Most Purest Muslims" or "The World's Most Accurately Interpret the Koran Muslims".

Hmmm, your statements speak volume of your inferiority complex. No wonder the Muslims are fighting among themselves. People like you think that they are the most enlightened, hence they are more righteous & pious than everybody else. That gives them the authority to "jaga tepi kain orang", because they are the guardians of Islam's dignity. Oh, so noble.

Isn't Islam principles strong enough to stand on its own without guys like you acting as policemen for fellow Muslims??? What a joke.
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written by Tompios, January 18, 2008 07:01:21
The World's Most Righteous Muslims" or "The World's Most Original Muslims" or "The World's Most Purest Muslims" or "The World's Most Accurately Interpret the Koran Muslims".

This is what i called paranoid in Moslem brotherhood and sisterhood among Malaysian Moslem. Malaysia truly Asia sick! UMNO creates problem in our country. Curse on Malaysia is coming.
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written by tcng, January 18, 2008 08:51:49
Dear MC,
Anthropological definition of race such as bone structure,facial length-width-proportion, eye/skin color etc is for the scientiest.
In real life, it is far more complicated. Let me give me a couple of example why it is a "CLUB' and why it is a combination of culture/custom/language/common history and religion...

1) In USA, says a guy whose grand-father is white and grand-mother is black. his father, who is half-white-half-black, married his mother who is white.
So he is 1/4 black. If he marry white, his children who is 1/8 black- 7/8 white would still be consider black (heard of ONE DROP Rule?)
Why? Because the white community does not accept these children as white.

2) In Philippines, there are many who look like European (with Spanish blood), some look like Chinese. But they consider themselves Filipino, speak Tagalog habitually
and accepted by majority of Filipino as Filipino. Is Filipino a 'Race'?

3) There are many Korean who had lived in Japan for many many years (forefathers moved to Japan when Japan was the colonial master).
They may look like Japanese, speak better Japanese than Korean,but yet they remain 'Korea Race'. Reasons (a) they consider themselves Korean (b) Japanese do not accept them as one of them.

4) A typical 3rd Generation ABC (American Born Chinese)does not speak/read/understand a word of Chinese language,does not celebrate/observe any Chinese festival, eat mostly American fast foods instead of Chinese food. The only thing 'Chinese' about him is his SURNAME and the fact that his great-great-great-great grand parents was from China. Yet, he considers himself Chinese and ,generally speaking, he is accepted by Chinese 'race' world-wide as one of them.
He will never become a 'white-American', because he does not look like one and will not be accepted as one of them.

5) Now back to TDM.. Yes, TDM looks more Indian than Malay.
However, TDM considered himself Malay ( he wrote The Malay Dilemma as a young man). He is accepted by MAJORITY of Malay as one of them. Otherwise, he would not be elected as UMNO president and became PM.


6) Similarly, there are many other leaders (in UMNO or in other organization) who look more Arab/Indian than Malayu.Yet, they consider themselves Malay and accepted by the majority as one of them.
Raja Petra Kamarudin looks more 'AngMoh' than Malay But he considers himself as Malay, and I bet , accepted by majority of them as one of them. End of story.
Anthropologist/scientist/academician can argue all they want till the cow come home, these people consider themselves as 'one fairly identical group- a club

The fact is that there are more than 10 million people in Malaysia who consider themselves Malay.
They share similar language, custom and culture and religion even though some may look like Indian, and some look like AngMoh.
The Malay see Indonesian and the Southern Muslim-Filipino , who share very similar language/custom/religion, as their step-brother or cousin.
Malay certainly feel closer to them than they feel towards the Thais, for example.

If Malay is NOT a race base on your argument, than Indian is NOT a race.. Northern Indians are very fair while the Southern like Tamils are very dark skin.



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written by EYFF, January 18, 2008 09:31:33
The official stand of the UMNO govt is that Malay is as defined by the Govt!

It is not genetic! Well that idiot Zam considered himself to be more?? Malay than Malay! But his DNA test will show that he is VERY Indian!

Why?? This is Malaysia (TIM) !!
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written by Birdbrain, January 18, 2008 09:40:14
Malays, the enemy of Islam?

It should be the Idiotic Malays in UMNO, the greatest enemy of Islam. .............and guess who are the biggest idiots putting them into power. They themselves are the biggest HYPOCRITES!
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written by Birdbrain, January 18, 2008 09:43:42
Malays, the enemy of Islam?

It should be the Idiotic Malays in UMNO, the greatest enemy of Islam. .............and guess who are the biggest idiots putting them into power. They themselves are the biggest HYPOCRITES!

So I totally agree that Pete should be blaming all the Malays, the enemy of Islam. Pete, have you ever at one time thought of leaving the religion? Guess you're stuck in Hotel Khalifornia........you can check in but you can't get out!!
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written by michael chick, January 18, 2008 11:53:46
MC: Hey friend, you are confusing race definition with nationality. There is no such thing as an American Race for example. That’s why they are so happy and proud to call it “The Melting Pot”.

Anthropological definition of race such as bone structure,facial length-width-proportion, eye/skin color etc is for the scientiest.
MC: Yes, but this is still the only known accepted definition.

1) In USA, says a guy whose grand-father is white and grand-mother is black. his father, who is half-white-half-black, married his mother who is white.
So he is 1/4 black. If he marry white, his children who is 1/8 black- 7/8 white would still be consider black (heard of ONE DROP Rule?)
Why? Because the white community does not accept these children as white.
MC: He is only to be described as one of “Mixed-Race Parentage”

3) There are many Korean who had lived in Japan for many many years (forefathers moved to Japan when Japan was the colonial master).
They may look like Japanese, speak better Japanese than Korean,but yet they remain 'Korea Race'. Reasons (a) they consider themselves Korean (b) Japanese do not accept them as one of them.
MC: And they are right, in terms of “Race” Acceptance.

He will never become a 'white-American', because he does not look like one and will not be accepted as one of them.
MC: Like I said before, There is NO such thing as the American Race. When someone says that “A am an American”, he means that “I am an American Citizen”. I lived there for 5 years. I should know.

5) Now back to TDM.. Yes, TDM looks more Indian than Malay.
However, TDM considered himself Malay ( he wrote The Malay Dilemma as a young man). He is accepted by MAJORITY of Malay as one of them. Otherwise, he would not be elected as UMNO president and became PM.
MC: Yet, they still called him “Budak Keling”. He was there because of the Article 160(2) loophole. Also read as “flaw”. After being misguided since birth. M
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written by temenggong, January 18, 2008 12:58:46
When one has nothing else (no history, no heritage, no values, etc) one takes (a false and obstinate) pride in race and religion. That's what most muslims are doing and it makes them hypoctites.
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written by ericc, January 18, 2008 13:41:57
dont forget about the case where the JAIS guy had sex with the girl IN THE JAIS OFFICE, got caught for it, pants down, left his genetic material all over the place, got punished with a light slap on wrist, probably still working for them.
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written by alhadee, January 18, 2008 14:00:07
Please read this

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusa...m&arc=hive

Alamak, terrible thing la. Looks like JAWI and the gang are guilty as hell. Let me paste to you some of it;

"She said she requested permission to use a toilet to ease herself when the truck was in the vicinity of Jalan Jejaka 5, Taman Maluri, Cheras at about 12.50 am on March 22 but the Rela and Jawi officers denied her permission to do so.."

"She said at that point, Mohamad Tahir suddenly opened the back door of the truck, pushed Maslinda's friends away as well as pulled away Maslinda's scarf and immediately started taking photographs of her while she was in the midst of easing herself."

"She also claimed that the Rela and Jawi officers, who were present at the time of the incident, breached their duty of care towards her by allowing Mohamad Tahir to take photographs of her.

Maslinda also claimed that the defendants were negligent for not permitting her to ease herself in a toilet, giving her no choice but to relieve herself in the truck as well as enabling Mohamad Tahir to take photographs of her and also for failing to stop Mohamad Tahir from acting in the manner that he did."

"On April 16, the Kuala Lumpur Magistrate's Court sentenced Mohamad Tahir, 40, to four months' jail after he pleaded guilty to insulting Maslinda's modesty by taking 31 photographs of her easing herself.

Speaking to reporters later, Karpal said the sentence imposed on Mohamad Tahir was manifestly inadequate and he had written to the Attorney-General's chambers requesting him to file an appeal against the four months jail sentence."

Muslims, lets say no to moral policing. If you love Islam as much as I am, please pressure the authorities to strip these Jabatan Agama idiots of their enforcement powers.
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written by dassky2000, January 18, 2008 14:57:00
Wah do wahdoo, cantiknya pantun ini. Apo nak di kato awang Oiiii. Malaysia Airlines (duty free)Liquor Shops is own by Melayu lah( seluru Malaysia)

Sekarang, pubs, disco joints, cafe's etc etc you name it, must ada a bumi partner (parasite clinging onto you and sucking your blood)

How come this no haram ah.

And RPK is right, my house is sittuated close to a Mosque or vis a vis, myhouse come earlier lah. Every Friday afternoons I make it a point not to go back home for lunch because the Imams talk will be about the non muslims, about how untrue our religion blah blah blah.

I think I will go park my car along the Mosque fencing and record the Imams speech one Friday and post it on You Tube atau sent it to RPK.

Why can't it be solely on Islam and it's values, why these imam's like to stray out of their guidlines.
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written by tcng, January 18, 2008 16:39:40
Mr MC,
I will be travelling(biz meeting) whole of next week. When I am back the following week, I will explain to you further. You sound like a pretty well-read guy... unfortunately, u had ass-u-me-d that I confused race with nationality. In reality, acceptance by the community is the most important factor. If your skin/eye/bone structure is similar, you may be accepted as one of them if you practice their culture, custom, language and in some case (like Malay in Malaysia) have same religion, the chances of being accepted as one of them is high.
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written by maikjos, January 18, 2008 19:36:51
And what about those ministers in Sabah who sponsored Tadau Kaamatan celebration, during which tapai, beer and tuak were served. Go lah arrest Musa, Masidi and the other muslim ministers.
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written by batsman, January 18, 2008 22:55:27
We fire off a few arrows in the interest of democracy and fairness only to find that some nons are just as tyranical as UMNO. This does not surprise me one bit since I suspect their hero to be Lee Kuan Yew.

While we are on the subject, let me just offer my view on the relationship between Singapore and some Chinese in Malaysia.

The Chinese are surely one sorry lot! They started as immigrants and indentured slave labour. As if this misery were not enough, they had to go and challenge the mighty British Empire. Needless to say, inspite of great sacrifice and heroism, they were soundly beaten and surprise, surprise – PAP flopped over to the side of the British. Lee Kuan Yew seems to be one guy who fears the Chinese more than anybody else – perhaps owing to guilty conscience over his betrayal. He made sure Singapore became an English educated outpost surrounded by Malay seas. Chinese had no place until China became a world trading power and surprise, surprise – mandarin becomes fashionable in Singapore.

He even tried to extend his influence into Malaysia but found himself kicked out. This does not mean he gave up. Even worse than a Malay-dominated govt across the Causeway, he feared more than ever, a strong locally rooted Chinese-educated resurgence in Malaysia. So using his proxies, he made sure that the Chinese opposition remained firmly English - educated. So apart from the MCA and Gerakan which sucked up to UMNO and the mainly English-educated Chinese opposition, the rest of the Chinese were hopelessly leaderless, unrepresented, at a loss and at the mercy of the finicky currents of politics.

This is still the situation today. Singapore ensures that the Chinese remain their own worst enemies through use of propaganda, money, bribes and proxies. Of course UMNO is happy to go along. What a sad story. If you ask me, I think the only way for Chinese to really get out of their misery is to migrate elsewhere and face new miseries or joy as the case may be OR to get involved in Malaysia as if it is their real homeland not just using it as a place to make money. But even now some people who are their own worst enemies are grinding their teeth and furiously thinking of all sorts of ways to censor.

(NOTE: The terms English-educated and Chinese-educated are used loosely to reflect groups that flocked together by dint of shared values and cultural affiliation.)

Below is the original comment they censored (with one or two corrections and addition of a title)

Chinese are their own worst enemies!

In response to RPK’s blog “Malays, the enemy of Islam” and in the interest of balance, I would like to posit my observation that the Chinese are their own worst enemies.

In Malaysia, the Chinese have broken up into 2, 3 or 4 camps. One camp slavishly sucks up to UMNO in return for tit-bits and contracts – in essence selling themselves. Obviously the Chinese in this camp are already their own worst enemies, no need to say more.

The other camp slavishly sucks up to Singapore as a role model for Malaysia’s own development. They seem to in the opposition but are they really? Inside the opposition , they play their splittist role, take foreign ideological positions as their own and engage in chauvinistic stand. They give the BN a free run by splitting opposition votes and strengthen UMNO’s racism by confronting UMNO with equally racist and provocative arguments and then backing down whimpering when UMNO uses this as an excuse to rile the Malays.

There may be a third Chinese camp which often falls into one or the other of the above. This camp sucks up not so much to tiny Singapore but to powerful Britain, US or Australia as role models. This delayed effect of finding sweet nectar as champions of western interests which gives them the psychological high horse of looking down on everybody else, often pushes some familes to migrate. Now I have said in the past that I see economic immigrants as people who prostitute themselves whether willingly or by force of circumstance. For some families where grandpa, papa and sonny boy are immigrants, it would seem to be the family vocation.

What is the net effect of the Chinese role in Malaysia? There may be a 4th Chinese camp, but their influence is not much felt as yet. So, apart from contributing wealth and taxes, maybe, I think better to leave it to the Indians to play a bigger role.
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written by fandi, January 18, 2008 23:04:34
Islam is the Enemy to Hypocrites

Now we see who are really muslims and not muslims.Most Malays are supposed to be Muslims but they always forget that all Muslims are not Malays.Their mind set that the Malays seemed to know more then the other muslims in the world.

Here is a great story for thought.
A group of Arabs came to visit a kampong in Malaysia.They were brought around visiting he sights etc etc.On Friday while visiting an area near a mosque a call for prayer
Summons the muslims for prayer and the Malay officials then got ready for the Friday prayers and told the Arabs that they are going for prayers first. A few of the Arabs join the congregation but the rest were siting near a warong and drinking teh tarik.After prayers the officials were surprise to see that more then half of them did not join the prayers and were disappointed. Only when one of the officials ask one of the arabs his name did they realized that they were Christians all dressed up in arab clothings.
Malaysians have the tendency to judge people before realizing their stupidity that all Arabs are not Muslims as all Malays are Muslims.
Here now the Government should realize that if the Malays are all Muslims and they are all supposed to be pious to the book, then they have not been to overseas in the big cities in the Middle East where the Arabs whether they are Muslims or Christian are drinking down at the hotel pubs with free flowing beer, and who are servig them the local muslim .

Here I have a question RPK, why on earth are the Malay Muslims during the fasting month during the fasting period not allowed to open their eateries.These eateries are their bread and butter.Besides when a Muslim who work in a Bar or Pub can abstain from taking the arak is it not he a true muslim, or the eatery owners abstain from taking a bite on the food they sell be more tolerable to the temptation.I should say they are really the true Malays who find the spirit in them to guide their temptation being a muslim.Now in the government service the enforcers,Rela or Jais, worse characters they are then the victims in the raid who are really earning a living.

Now we hear of Mat Rempit and Child molesters, did the Government do a statistics on them.Who are they, why the majority of them are Malays.After the sermons and education in the religious schools why do they turn their lifestyle into such sadist.Where has the Gomen failed.?.
I know that the Gomen can say that they cannot look after such people., well if the Gomen then shirked their responsibilities how can they meet the NEP for the Malays to achieve the status quo of the rich compare to the Chinese and when is this going to end.
I can give you statistics like say one third of the Malays are with UMNO and the two thirds are with the opposition of PAS, PKR, DAP etc etc..Do you expect the 2/3 to be as rich as the 1/3., so the question is how can the 1/3 be as rich as the Chinese.NEP is not achievable although the 1/3 can be the richest men in the Forbes 500 because the Gomen still harping on the number of 1/3 to be 2/3.At the rate the Gomen is going the 1/3 is also getting less then 1/3 because of the actions the Gomen is helping out in the corruption cases.

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written by maedee, January 18, 2008 23:30:04
Good comment "sydput".

Many readers have commented on this, "Islam is the problem, not Malay". I can't disagree with you guys.

Have you heard of "history repeats itself". Many great civilizations and societies were not destroyed from the outside, but they crumble from the inside, within themselves. Malays are their own worst enemy. We have come to see a point in history where Islam is at the begining stages of its deterioration. Constant warfare among themselves, (more Muslims were killed in the hands of their people), more than all the American and Israeli bombs.
Muslims have invented NOTHING for the past 850 years since its height of its glory days. It seems they hate technology, every technology its imported from overseas in Muslim countries.
Its just a matter of time before the oil runs out, then the world will see the end of Islam.
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written by MoveForward, January 19, 2008 01:42:37
Malays- the enemy of islam? Or with due respect, could it be the other way round as some people have suggested above? Some honest thoughts and questions. No intention to offend anyone.

It is always said that if the follower of a religion does something bad, don't blame the religion, just blame the man for his errors. A very convenient excuse I think. This view of thought has been used time and again to justify that Islam as a religion is not responsible for the actions of its followers. What is responsible then? Is not a person's values in life and world view shaped largely by the religion he professes? Is not a person's thinking (which usually translates into deeds) influenced largely by the teachings of his religion?

Some food for thought. Does Islam have any positive transformative power among its followers (on personal basis) and a nation at large? Surely a tree must be known by its fruits. Otherwise, it is tantamount to saying that there is no power in the religion to change lives for the better. Sure we will have the few bad hats. But do we generally identify the fruits of Islam to include love, patience, humility, respect, forgiveness as well as discipline, hardwork and perseverance? There may be teachings to behave that way in the Quran, but is there power of transformation at work for us to see as a general trend? Should not a religion be judged according to whether it helps the personal lives of its followers to be changed for the better? Is it time to stop making excuses for the religion but to study it honestly for what it is?

Is the Malay mindset and worldview (which is much dominated by Islam) progressive and respected abroad? Or is it a narrow and regressive one that is heard loudly in this country only because the Malays are the dominant race in the country? Does the on-going controversy on the use of the word "Allah" speak of a progressive mindset/world view? Or the laughing stock of the world? Is the protectionist policy like that of seizing children Christian books off the shelves of bookstores and seizing Christian books at Customs progressive? Does a progressive mindset embrace double standards in every area of its life? Does a progressive mind view those of other faith as inferior? Does a progressive mindset discriminate against people based on their race and faith? Does the progressive mindset fear challenges?

On the national level, do we see Islam transforming the lives of the Malays and helping them rise to be an economic power in this nation particularly with all the help available under the NEP? Why does Tun Mahatir after decades in power lament that he has failed miserably where the Malay mindset is concerned?

On an international level, do we see Islamic civilizations become superpowers in their own right today? Where the rule of islam is imposed, do we see liberties and freedom being curtailed or respected? Do we see women advance economically or oppressed and denied equal opportunities? In contrast we see Western nations founded on Christian civilization which has risen to be super powers and remain so today and they generally espouse values of liberty and respect for others. Many Westerners may not embrace Christianity today, but their civilization (notably Europe and America) have been founded on biblical values and history shows their transformation into modern advanced nations.

Can Islam rightfully claim to be a religion of peace when the jihadist are able to justify their acts of violence from numerous religious texts? Whose Islam is a more true? The extremist or the moderates (do they really really know their religious text)? Even nearer home, we see a trend of violence perpetuated by jihadist from the Phillipines to South Thailand to Indonesia – Bali and the outer islands (the massacre of thousands of weaponless Christians by jihadist in the name of Islam in 1990s). Should this be blamed on the work of the isolated few extremist who don’t know their religious text? Or are they the ones who know their texts better than all the moderates?

Just some honest thoughts and observations.

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written by alhadee, January 19, 2008 04:55:30
You know I got sick with you West Malaysian guys. Really, really sick that I just want to puke.

We have RPK's article on Malay as enemy of Islam. As expected we have bigots trying to defend the JAWI/JAIS and on the other hand we have these anti Islam freaks taking the opportunity to bash Islam.

Sarawakians are being duped by Tunku Abdul Rahman into thinking that the best way to achieve independence is through forming Malaysia alongside The Federation of (tiny winy) Malay States and Sabah. How I wish our forefathers knew better!

From 1963 till now, the West Malaysia benefited greatly from OUR Oil and Gas sources, our rich sources which is used to sustain all of your pathetic tiny winy little states. And the Sarawakians only get 5% out of our resources.

And what do we get? Petronas almost ran out of money. Yes, that hundreds billions of Ringgit coming straight from the land of hornbil and the land below the wind is almost gone. The West Malaysians are bickering among themselves on these silly and stupid issues such as who works in pub and bars, and whether Islam promotes terrorism or not.

Oh man, how sillier this could be?

We got bigot West Malaysian Malaysians on one hand and we got selfish and greedy West Malaysian Chinese on the other end.

I hope you all will kill each other and in that state of chaos, the Sarawakian can declare independence and form its own republic. Any West Malaysians are welcome to migrate to the new republic except religious bigots and the anti Islam freaks.

These idiots can return to their pathetic tiny winy little states.
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written by Semuaok, January 19, 2008 12:49:59
RPK I have read many of the Lowly rated comment and most of them is either against you or have a different opinion of you. Aren't you doing the same thing like the iman. The defender of free speech.
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written by Anak Desa, January 19, 2008 13:39:59
Thi bashing of non muslims as enemy of Islam is an old way of getting their flocks of their own race together.It was relevant in the 60s' and 70s' but no more relevant in the 21st century as the educated malaysians are very high.I am surprised to hear that this non-muslims bashing is still ramphant.
This would change when the malay malaysians parents educate their young ones as Malaysians first and religion second.
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written by Raja Petra, January 19, 2008 13:47:29
Dear Semuaok, again, and in English please this time!
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written by macaufan, January 19, 2008 14:53:56
umno regime is controling ACA, Polis, AG/DPP, Judiaciary &........ meaning whatever 'super-lawyer' u engage, if regime want u lost ur case, so b it !

look at x-cm melaka Tambi Chik 'merogol gadis bawah umur melayu' hinggakan Guan Eng masuk penjara ! Tambi said to the world "U see ! as long as regime cover me, u cant touch me ! kakakaaaaa"
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written by macaufan, January 19, 2008 14:56:30
can someone tell me, y my comment will 'jam' or block being post-out if i've taken >5minit to complete my writing?
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written by Eskay Lim, January 19, 2008 18:26:00
Those members of RELA and the Islamic Religious Department are really bigots and sex-maniacs. In their ungodly duty to defend Islam, these moral defenders of Islam have stooped so low behaving like animals and criminals themselves. Asking for sexual-favours to settle out of court ... so shameless.
I hope Kapal Singh bashed them up properly and make them pay dearly for their misdeeds
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written by batsman, January 19, 2008 22:25:42
“Lowly rated comment…” Censored again! When are you people going to learn? The more you censor, the greater opportunities it gives me. On this occasion, let me wax lyrical on the inappropriateness of democracy in the Malaysian context. Democracy requires a society that is mature and with a high level of civilisation. Since everyone is given the vote, Average Joe determines what gets voted in. And if Average Joe is of an immature and inferior culture, then democracy cannot be defended. This does not mean that I am against democracy. The ideal democracy is still better than the tyrannies of UMNO democracy and PAP democracy. This sorry episode of readers ganging up and using their votes to censor shows that some readers here are of an inferior and immature culture. This is why we need an enlightened leader to take us by the hand and show us the way. DAULAT TUANKU!

Note: For those enlightened readers who might still want to read my comments, I have taken the liberty to post them again below. To those immature ones, please use your noggings to debate intelligently rather than use your vote to censor.

Chinese are their own worst enemies!

In response to RPK’s blog “Malays, the enemy of Islam” and in the interest of balance, I would like to posit my observation that the Chinese are their own worst enemies.

In Malaysia, the Chinese have broken up into 2, 3 or 4 camps. One camp slavishly sucks up to UMNO in return for tit-bits and contracts – in essence selling themselves. Obviously the Chinese in this camp are already their own worst enemies, no need to say more.

The other camp slavishly sucks up to Singapore as a role model for Malaysia’s own development. They seem to in the opposition but are they really? Inside the opposition , they play their splittist role, take foreign ideological positions as their own and engage in chauvinistic stand. They give the BN a free run by splitting opposition votes and strengthen UMNO’s racism by confronting UMNO with equally racist and provocative arguments and then backing down whimpering when UMNO uses this as an excuse to rile the Malays.

There may be a third Chinese camp which often falls into one or the other of the above. This camp sucks up not so much to tiny Singapore but to powerful Britain, US or Australia as role models. This delayed effect of finding sweet nectar as champions of western interests which gives them the psychological high horse of looking down on everybody else, often pushes some familes to migrate. Now I have said in the past that I see economic immigrants as people who prostitute themselves whether willingly or by force of circumstance. For some families where grandpa, papa and sonny boy are immigrants, it would seem to be the family vocation.

What is the net effect of the Chinese role in Malaysia? There may be a 4th Chinese camp, but their influence is not much felt as yet. So, apart from contributing wealth and taxes, maybe, I think better to leave it to the Indians to play a bigger role.
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written by Uncorruptible, January 19, 2008 22:54:19
WTV 8 - the free alternative MALAYSIAN tv

http://wwitv.com/portal.htm
http://wantena.com/html/pc/english/page/8.html,category=,channel_language=,country=,q=
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written by Semuaok, January 20, 2008 01:22:13
Batsman, Why Chinese are their own worst enemies???
Can you tell me why your 2, 3, & 4 is bad

2)As a businessman myself I would look for way to increase my company business & profit. So, if UMNO/BN can offer me that. I would want them to be on my side. I do not put them in power, but you. So who is to blame?

3)If not Singapore, Britain, US, Ausralia, Who else would you use as your role model? Malaysia???

4)Do nothing group. What else can they do???

Can you give me a better solution how we can get rid of BN/UMNO. Believe me, I'm with you, but how? Please stop complaint about other if you don't have a solution. At the mean time I'm going to do what is best for myself and my shareholder, until you can come out with your next brilliant idea.
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written by Malas-yu, January 20, 2008 07:45:01
Dear Raja. You have got it wrong. I have grown up with Malays in Kelantan and most of my friends were Malays. Whilst I realize that this was before they were reclassified as Bumis, I still consider them to be the most straight forward compared to the other races. This was of course before they were corupted by so-called Muslim teachers who tought a brand of Islam which is completly alian to the Malay culture. Rather than follow the Quran they were taught the desert version of the religion. This religion should stay in the desert where it belongs. What Islam needs is REFORMATION of the type which occured in Christianity almost 300 years ago. Parts of the Quran which teaches self-rightesness and intolarence should be discarded to bring it to the 21st centuary. Muslims should be taught that they should STUDY the Quran and not just read it. Quran reading contests should not be promoted but its study and understanding should be promoted. Study should be in their lingua-franca not in a desert language. After all the Quran was first written not in Arabic a language which came later. Muslims should be made to understand that following and practise of Islam is for communion with your god not to satisfy fellow Muslims. Christians and Jews do not mind you usurping and sharing their god whom they called Allah long before you. After all a rose by any other name is still a rose. So go back to basics and read the good book read and understand and discard what is not relevent for the 21st centuary and not what WAS relevent for the 3rd centuary. Muslims should be able to go in and out of Islam. After all is the deity you worship so weak that he needs your help, it is you who needs his help.
Shalom

PS I am classified as an Indian in Malaysia though I am a Dravidian. 'Indian' is a nationality.
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written by Caliphate, January 20, 2008 09:43:19
After reading “Malays, the enemy of Islam”, I feel inclined to pen here for your readers two incidents recorded in the Bible for “soul cleansing” for the pious Muslim who as you described as the enemy of Islam.

These articles are the Moslems who carried our vice raids into discos and brothels and then asked for sexual favours so that those arrested could be released.

These two articles are also for Moslem who during the month of Ramadan put on such a show to tell everyone that they are fasting and ultra holy and yet go about in the market place to catch their fellow Moslems who are not fasting.

These articles are suitable for the Imams in the mosques in Malaysia, who preached that Non Muslims are the enemies of Islam. These two articles are suitable for the Imam in the Ipoh, who incited falsehood that Muslim children are been baptised in a church, when it was Indian children, and gathered an unruly Moslem crowds who threatened to burn the church to the ground.

Now here are the two passages from the Bible. No explanation is necessary as the passages are clear cut.

Mathew Chapter 5 "Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' in front of others, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. "So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.


John 8:2-11 "And early in the morning He came again into the Temple and all the people came unto Him; and He sat down, and taught them."
"And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto Him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto Him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the Law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest Thou?"
"This they said, tempting Him, that they might have to accuse Him."
"But Jesus stooped down, and with His finger wrote on the ground, as though He heard them not. So when they continued asking Him, He lifted up Himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again He stooped down, and wrote on the ground."
"And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst."
"When Jesus had lifted up Himself, and saw none but the woman, He said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? Hath no man condemned thee?"
"She said, No man, Lord."
"And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more." (John 8:2-11 )

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written by Abakjr, January 20, 2008 09:50:13
I am saddened and angry with this column .It's nothing but just a column for people to bash and demonise Islam . Worst still the bashings are done by non Muslims who have no/little knowledge about Islam .You all can bash our bodies physically but not our religion . Being an old man I can still could control my anger . Would you just take a back seat and watch if we also bash your religion/beliefs ? This is getting sensitive . I am not an UMNO man . Infact I am a supporter of the opposition .My uncle was an opposition MP and my brother in law was a state chairman of an opposition party .However after reading the comments here makes me worried and contemplating whether to continue supporting the opposition . RPK , please do not allow this to continue .Otherwise many more Malays would shift camp too .
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written by temenggong, January 20, 2008 10:37:01
Relax Abakjr,

Do not underestimate the non muslim bloggers knowledge of islam or any religion for that matter. You'll be surprised. From what you write I can see you know little about islam, just the usual tales you heard from the imam. Stand up and defend your religion. Or leave it!

Bashing islam is good. It brings out and clears all the confusion, misundertandings and hypocrisy traditionally and innately associated with it. What you call bashing is what we call a discussing and learning process.

Please, please, go ahead and bash christianity, hinduism, buddism, etc. We'll really, really need it! There is so much ajaran setan 'ere! (not to be confused with the Parti Ajaran Setan or Pas) Most religionists including muslims are hopelessly lost in the dungeons of superstition, folklore and medieval irrationality.

Do not confuse religious discussion with support for political parties. You cannot waiver on your principles.
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written by harrbm, January 20, 2008 11:23:13

well, its should be okay if those who has little knowledge about religions and Islam in particular starts to do Islam Bashing. I am worried if those who are Islamic Scholars starts to bash Islam or any other religion for that matter. anyway, after living for so long, i believe those who go bash with hatre will embrace Islam later, somethimes the children will.

Everybody (not all) hates TDM then but what i see now is the reverse. Must we thanked our current PM?

hmmmmmmmm...
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written by michael chick, January 20, 2008 12:30:29
Dear tcng,
"...I will be travelling(biz meeting) whole of next week. When I am back the following week, I will explain to you further..."
MC: I would be delighted to... Which kedai Kopi shall we "camp at"?

"...You sound like a pretty well-read guy... "
MC: Oh, I've picked up the occassional Enid Blyton's and LadyBird Publications... smilies/tongue.gif

"...unfortunately, u had ass-u-me-d that I confused race with nationality. .."
MC: I apologise, if I did, and have full permission to kick-me-in-the-ass, if I am proved to be wrong. Press People, get your cameras ready smilies/tongue.gif

"...In reality, acceptance by the community is the most important factor. If your skin/eye/bone structure is similar, you may be accepted as one of them if you practice their culture, custom, language and in some case (like Malay in Malaysia) have same religion, the chances of being accepted as one of them is high..."
MC: I don't deny that, and I've never denied the acceptance factor. All I'm saying is that 240million people (Indonesia) do NOT recognize "malay" as a "race" while 24million (Malaysia) scream and shout while beating their chests like Tarzan that "malays" are a race. Considering that 75% of these Peninsular "malays" are migrant from Jawa, it makes absolutely NO SENSE at all. I've always said that the correct name for the "malay" is Austronesian. So should all Indonesians, Philippino, Brunei, and so on so forth. Even the term "malayo-polynesians" are not wuite so correct, as they include the "Austrlo-Melanesian" (African) which include our Orang Asli, Australian Aboroginie, Maori, and all the way till Tahitti and Hawaii. If you observe carefully, you will find that the Khmers and the "malays" and the Indonesians, and the Tahittians look EXACTLY identical, (unless they have inter-bred with the Australo-Melanesian Africans, aka Orang Asli)

MC: I really look forward to the Coffee-Session(s) wth you. Am so curious to see/ hear that there is a counter to my theory. Labisman knows how to get in touch with me. Ask him smilies/smiley.gif
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written by batsman, January 20, 2008 14:27:44
Dear Semuaok – TQ for your comment, but you are asking the wrong person for a solution. Instead you should look towards yourselves for a solution – hopefully neither sucking up to Singapore nor Britain, US, etc. I make this observation because many nons see fit to drop vitriolic comments on Islam. Fair is fair right? Just as it is difficult for you to see my point of view, I have difficulty seeing yours. I don’t understand this hatred of the nons for Islam. They are not practising Muslims so they do not have an intimate and personal idea of what it is like. All they understand is that UMNO uses Islam to bully them. Therefore Islam must be bad. By the same token they fall easily into UMNO’s trap. Since Islam is used to bully them and PAS promotes Islam even more energetically than UMNO, then PAS must be worse than UMNO – right? This way, UMNO cleverly puts all the blame of its abuses at the doorstep of PAS – and the nons swallow it up enthusiastically. If you are not your own worst enemy, who is?

In the same vein UMNO uses race to bully the nons. If you are not Bumis, then you must be 3rd class citizens, right? So why the heck can’t you suck up to Singapore or Britain as role models and put all your hopes and aspirations on them right? This way UMNO cleverly robs you of your own homeland and you swallow it up enthusiastically. If you are not your own worst enemy, who is?

Please don’t tell me you are going to prove the imams right and say Islam and Malays are your worst enemies.
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written by teo siew chin, January 20, 2008 14:56:28
"Bashing islam is good. It brings out and clears all the confusion, misundertandings and hypocrisy traditionally and innately associated with it. What you call bashing is what we call a discussing and learning process."
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Well said Temenggong. It has been said that for any religion to remain strong , we must constantly attack it's weaknesses.
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written by Semuaok, January 20, 2008 19:10:58
Batsman You need to reevaluate your observation. There is a hierarchy of goal/good. You observation is that, if it doesn't make sense to you than it has to be bad. Yes BN/UMNO can be bad. But who else can I vote for. I'm no politician, I'm a businessman. I leave politic to DAP, PAS, PKR, RPK and you to prove me you are better. If not I would rather have BN/UMNO, which is not my best ideal party to govern us.The opposition need to grow up and so is the citizen. Stop yap yap yap about Islam. I'm no Islam either. Do what the f**k they wanner do, if you like to convert or married a Muslim, good luck to you. At the mean time I'm still going to enjoy eating my char siew.
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written by alhadee, January 20, 2008 21:35:00
Batsman,

This is not about race or religion but about justice. I care little about the minority because they they are not the decision maker of this country. The only thing I wish Chinese would do is to stop offering bribes to politicians, which they had done all this while and in a way directly contributing to the downfall of this country.

The attitude of the Malays is what worrying me very much. They hold the decision making of these country. Many policies done in these country is done to woo them, that shows how powerful the Malays are politically.

Hishamuddin does not hold Keris to appease the Chinese, Indians, Ibans or Kadazans. He hold it to appease the Malays although any right thinking Malays would know that holding Keris does not contribute anything to their community.

Back to the JAWI case, where is the voice of the Malays? It seems that the Malays are keeping quiet and why? Is it because the poor lady'd job is to sell liquor thus Malays keep quite when she is treated like an animal? Where is justice? Where is the hadith "If Fatimah steals, I will cut her hand..".

Just because the case is between some idiots hiding behind the name of Islan vs lady working at a pub then the Malays choose to keep quiet?

I personally know one lady who is working in pub, not because she really wants to but because she needed the money. With a sick mother and a deceased father, and with 2 younger brothers still in school, she definitely needs all the tips she could get.

So where are the Islamists? Where is Jabatan Agama Islam? Where goes the millions of Zakat money? We never get to see the accounts. Have any of the so called pious people go and check why Muslims wants to work at those so call Haram places?

In short where is the Amal Ma'rof?

The Malays have done very little on Amal Marof so they have very little authority on the Nahi Munkar. In Quran, Amal Marof is explicitly mentioned first before Nahi Munkar. It is clear as the day that Amal Marof is the pre-requisite of Nahi Munkar. If you don't have the first, the second cannot be done.

If the Malays still choose to do Nahi Munkar while ignoring the Amal Marof, then you people are Kufur because you take whatever it pleases you from your religion and leave the rest (that is what many Ustadz said), a Kufur equivalent to the Jews that you people hate so much. But then the Jews are better human than the Malays, they might be Kufr but they are smarter than the Malays and had contributed very much more to the world community.

The best thing now is to separate religion and politics. Begin from square one, that is from Amal Marof. Leave the Nahi Munkar first. That is how our prophet begin anyway.

Abakjr,

Go and support the present government if you want to. The present government is the one who makes Islam a laughing stock. They need people like you, who only knows how to give illogical response to the issues I raised. They need people like you so that Islam continue to be the something to be ridicule with in Malaysia.

And Temenggong, your "Bashing islam is good. It brings out and clears all the confusion, misundertandings and hypocrisy traditionally and innately associated with it.". Oh yeah, like what? Like the unintellectual and incomprehensible article equivalent to garbage you wrote recently maybe?
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written by batsman, January 20, 2008 21:41:51
Actually when you say that by bashing Islam you make it better, you assume that you have something positive to contribute. I find this highly egoistic. Even though as you say, you have great knowledge of Islam, by definition, the nons are not practising Muslims. Therefore you cannot know what it feels like to be a Muslim. Your theory is divorced from practice. In fact I believe the only “practice” you experience is fear and suspicion that you sense from the outside as you feel the influence of Muslims in society (not all good I must admit thanks to UMNO) and combine them with western prejudices. So when you try to “improve” Islam from the outside, you just succeed in getting across the message of hostility and bigotry (at the most – condescension). This is not constructive at all. So why not leave Muslims to sort out their problems by themselves? Try not to imitate the egotism of the westerners and the western scientific Theory of Everything which states that “westerners must have the last say in everything”. So please don’t be like Al Gore whose ego is so big that he thinks he can help Malaysians and solve Malaysia’s problems by saying a few wise words.

I am sure you have your own problems as well as shared problems of nationhood. Why not just concentrate on these? In fact personally I can see many problems that the Chinese face and since as you say, you welcome criticism and “bashing”, let me just voice out my opinion in the hope that it can be beneficial to you.

I observe that Chinese society is extremely effeminate and dominated by females. As a result, you are bullied by almost everyone including your own gangsters, tri*** and “mandarins”. You keep your head low and hope to make plenty of money and children. This strategy has worked wonderfully in the past and you overcome wave after wave of barbarians. Unfortunately in modern times this strategy is outdated and obsolete, but you are in denial and insist it will continue to work. Well, my friends, there is one or two barbarians who refuse to go away. In fact they are so strong that they are able to “westernise” you instead of you “sinicise” them. Another barbarian continues to poke you in the face and continue to worship war criminals who massacred your relatives during the war.

Meantime, your females who dominate you continue to practise the age old strategy of “sinification” of barbarians. They save you by stopping you from challenging the powerful barbarians and then sacrifice themselves in order to “sinicise” the barbarians. As a discussion point, if given half a chance, will Chinese females copy great women like Chang Zhiyi of Mainland China, Maggie Chung of Hong Kong and our own Michele Yeoh?

In fact there is plenty to be said for mixed marriages. According to western science which turned HG Wells’ fairy tale about Eloi and Morlocks into hard scientific evolution theory, we uncivilised coloured peoples have only about till 3000 ad to save ourselves before we start to turn into “grogglees” or something like that while the westerners and the products of mixed marriages turn into fairies (forgive my memory on these names as it starts to turn grogglee even now – check out Dr Oliver Curry on the internet) through the process of evolution.

So how about it guys? Tone down on the vitriole? Be manly not womanly? Be noble not sniping and gossipy?
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written by batsman, January 20, 2008 21:51:33
alhadee - thanks for the reminder
semuaok - eat to your hearts content.
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written by michael chick, January 20, 2008 21:54:18
MC: Hey, Batsman. You DISSAPOINT !!. I was thoroughly enjoying your "Sino-Bashing" and such, with many valid points about the Chinese being imbecile and all, till you pulled the "hand-brakes" on yourself by aying,
"... will Chinese females copy great women like Chang Zhiyi of Mainland China, Maggie Chung of Hong Kong and our own Michele Yeoh?..."
MC: Anyone knows that actors, are mere actors, and all they do is act. There is nothing at all substantial about them in any movies you may have watched with the "stars" you mentioned. Benazir would have been a good example of a good woman, but then again, she's not a Ching, therefore an invalid example. Perhaps you should fine-tune your comments a little...? Cheers Man...
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written by Semuaok, January 20, 2008 22:03:48
Batsman are you that pure and noble that what you observe and construe is always right and the rest is wrong and no good. Are we only to follow your value and believe. WHO THE **** ARE YOU!!!!!!
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written by monstercat, January 21, 2008 00:09:39
Dear Batsman,
You say:-
"Actually when you say that by bashing Islam you make it better, you assume that you have something positive to contribute. I find this highly egoistic. Even though as you say, you have great knowledge of Islam, by definition, the nons are not practising Muslims. Therefore you cannot know what it feels like to be a Muslim. Your theory is divorced from practice. In fact I believe the only “practice” you experience is fear and suspicion that you sense from the outside as you feel the influence of Muslims in society (not all good I must admit thanks to UMNO) and combine them with western prejudices. So when you try to “improve” Islam from the outside, you just succeed in getting across the message of hostility and bigotry (at the most – condescension). This is not constructive at all. So why not leave Muslims to sort out their problems by themselves? Try not to imitate the egotism of the westerners and the western scientific Theory of Everything which states that “westerners must have the last say in everything”. So please don’t be like Al Gore whose ego is so big that he thinks he can help Malaysians and solve Malaysia’s problems by saying a few wise words."
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What you wrote reflects your conviction that non-Muslims shouldn't contribute to anything Islam because they do not live within the Islamic principles. Well, please tell your brethens to stop comparing the Bible and preach publicly that the Bible is corrupt when they do not live within the principles of Christianity. Please ask them to stop their egoistically rantings refuting Jesus Christ as Son of God because according to their Quran, Jesus is human and just a prophet!! How can God have a son literally?? If I comply with your wishes, then I'll say - don't try to "improve" Christianity from the outside please!!! Your beliefs are according to the Quran so you have NO RIGHT to talk about Christian's beliefs! Yes, you'll say you are right because the Quran & hadiths says so. Please provide other historical documents by independent and neutral parties that says so. Oh, but cannot use those resources because they do not live as Christians nor Muslims. So how??? Stupid fool you! Don't insult the commentators' intelligence here by assuming that we imitate the westerners.

Our discussion here is whether to agree with RPK or disagree with him. So why bring up the Chinese??? You just have to include others so that the Malays wouldn't look for bad huh??? How typical... The Chinese have many weaknesses and bad characteristics, which are opened for criticism and discussion. So since you know so much about the Chinese, please write and contribute to MT, don't bring it up here, dumb dumb!
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written by batsman, January 21, 2008 09:09:53
Dear michael chick - heehee! what can I say? As semuaok, UMNO supporter and babi-eater extraordinaire says, one can't be right ALL of the time. But I am glad I riled up a few blokes. Unfortunately criticism is one thing that is easier to give than to take. I am also sad that MT readers still use their votes to censor. Shows the low class mentality of some people.

Anyway, thanks for the ride, everyone. Have a good day and have fun. I am out of your hair for a while. heehee!
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written by monstercat, January 21, 2008 21:22:41
Yeah batsman, you had your fun. And yes, giving irrelevant unconstructive criticism is easier and that's what you did. Go ahead and criticise the chinese even though you may not be chinese because ppl here can always educate you. As I said, why don't you contribute to MT regarding your thoughts of the chinese, then I'm sure you'll get a lot of responses. They'll either agree or disagree but at the end of the day, if you are in denial or let pride get the better of you, you'll never learn anything. Good luck! Look forward to your contribution cos I'll love to say my piece about chinese ways too.
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written by mikewang, January 21, 2008 23:50:30
That piece at the end of your article.
Give it to NameWee and he can give you a great rap.
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written by RasuahMinister, January 22, 2008 00:11:31
The most stupid tribe in the entire Universe
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written by RasuahMinister, January 22, 2008 00:12:03
...is Malays
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written by RockyG, January 22, 2008 01:01:56
So, what happened to the case?
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written by The One, January 22, 2008 01:09:42
Dear Raja Petra,
this situation does not consume only to the Malays but to the whole community of Islam worldwide.
i remember a phrase that says, the true enemy of Islam is among the Muslim themselves.
and that is true.

this time, im fully agree with your article.
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written by RockyG, January 22, 2008 01:11:12
If you look at Guiness Anchor's Board, you will find 2 malays there. Presumably, they are Muslims. Can't wait to see RELA at the next Guiness Anchor Board Meeting.
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written by stanley, January 22, 2008 07:00:30
Like oil and water- religion and politic - they don't mix.That's why Indonesia, during Suharto's time, they don't have religious party in the Government. You do your thing, I do mine.America,Britain and others, ..they don't have Religious Parties in their Government. Their politicians are governed by their OWN conscience - and the Constitution - and LAW
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written by Malas-yu, January 22, 2008 07:43:09
I was not able to get to the court on 17th. I live far away. Could someone let me know what was the outcome.
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written by Malas-yu, January 23, 2008 13:40:57
Malaysia the land of Body-snatchers, Moral police. Any more. What next. Has Malaysia come to this?
Malays are not the enemy if Islam. In the statement, for Malays substitute I.... and for Islam substitute Malays.
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written by Malas-yu, January 25, 2008 05:55:40
Malays are not the enemies of Islam. Mufti Salim Ahmed Qasmi has issued a fatwa against the Indian actor Salman Khan. He had permitted Madame Tussaud, the world famous wax museum in London, to display a wax work of him. Mufti Qasmi is the head of the Diodand Seminary in India. He says that it is against Sharia Law. A fatwa was also imposed on Sania the Indian Ladies Champ for playing tennis. Look like the Indian muslims are also enemies of Islam. A Muslim book shop assistant in UK refused to serve a customer because the customer bought a Bible saying that it was against her religion. The common denominator in all these cases is Islam rather than the people of the three nationalities. So it is the religion rather than the people. So dont blame the Malays.
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written by KuntaTobey, January 25, 2008 22:28:24
Dear Malas_yu,
You are telling the religion is to blame.

Now, let see who are going to blame for below items.
1 - Last Year Chrismas day, 8 church was burnt in India by Indian Hindus.
2 - A decade ago, Babri mosque was demolished by Indian Hindus.
3 - A decade ago, Christian people kill thousands of Islam people in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
4 - in 1982, The Jews kill thousands of Palestinian refugies in Sabra and Shatila. Know how they were killed ?

Same goes to other like Chinese, Sikh and etc. I can list many more, but enough up to here.
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written by Avanza1, January 27, 2008 04:45:06
written by KuntaTobey, January 25, 2008 | 22:28:24

KuntaTobey, Ppl kill each other for many reasons. Some b'cos they have lost their conscience, in deep vengence and hate. Some kill b'cos they think they are protecting their religion or their God. Do you think they have a good reason to protect their God or to kill others on behalf of God? All major religion do not promote killing of unbelivers except one.

May Allah help us.

>>Now, let see who are going to blame for below items.
1 - Last Year Chrismas day, 8 church was burnt in India by Indian Hindus.
** Christians in India suffers/targetted when ever there is a riot between muslims and hindus. Due to their smaller number they are easy victims by both hindus and muslims alike. Just to make it clear, I do not hate muslims or hindus. I have friends from both faiths.

2 - A decade ago, Babri mosque was demolished by Indian Hindus.
** you failed to mention all religious buildings were either demolished or converted to mosque wherever muslims are able to conquer. Great effort was put in to destroy the Afghanistan Bahmiyam Buddha. Listed as UN world heritage.Do you remember how much explosives the used?


3 - A decade ago, Christian people kill thousands of Islam people in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
** This one is 1) in the name of protecting its own countries sovereignity. 2) stirred up deep rooted hate and revenge when the bosnian sided with the German Nazis.
3) retaliated in revenge over the mass killing of Serbs at the beginning of Bosnian independence.

4 - in 1982, The Jews kill thousands of Palestinian refugies in Sabra and Shatila. Know how they were killed ?
Jews did not kill the Palestinians in both refugee camps. Get your fact right. It was a revenge killing.

You also failed to mention the mass killing at the beginning of 20th century.
http://tellchildrenthetruth.com

Thau Shall Not Kill
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written by Surich, January 27, 2008 13:23:49
Alhadee,

The only thing I wish Chinese would do is to stop offering bribes to politicians, which they had done all this while and in a way directly contributing to the downfall of this country.


I beg to disagree with you on this. Chinese are survivors that strives under varying difficulties and conditions. If they could get things done without having to pay their way, why would they give away their profits. The BN government machines are so corrupt that you don't really get things done without greasing the palms of the officials. If they have a factory to run and the workers are stranded in the airport waiting to be cleared to start work, you have to no choice but to get it done, by hook or crooks. Otherwise, your factory will be stopped, customers will sue for non-delivery, reputation will be at stake, etc. They are so many government procedure that is NOT transparent and subject to the decision of head, DG or SG of a department. It is NOT like Singapore, if you complied to the rules and regulations, and terms and conditions which are published in government WEBSITE, you could demand that you case be processed immediately.

Alhadee connotes that the Chinese is the root of corruption in Malaysia. The root of corruption in Malaysia in BN Government. If the Chinese are the most corrupt race, then Singapore will be the most corruption country in ASEAN. The Chinese are the victim and they survive under the rules they live in. They seldom flight until the conditions are not livable.

Bad parents beget bad children, Bad government begets bad citizen. We have bad parents, why blame the children?
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written by Yen Moy, January 27, 2008 19:42:42
If you ask me Islam is a bit fanatical is not a very accommodating. It is heading a head on collision with the West. Shouting "ALLAH AK'BAR" before blowing up oneself is not helping Islam. They may think killing a few infidels and GOD will grant you a safe passage to heaven. I can't work that out. GOD/ALLAH must be shaking his head.
For the Malay an enemy to Islam. No it is not. For those who preaches Islam and do the opposite are worse than the infidels. There is no classification for that. The Malays has failed Islam because they just unable to convert the Chineses and Indians to Islam. My understanding most Chineses or Indians from Malaysia convert to Islam are not by choice. How good is that?
My conclusion is that if you Malays got sucked into believing Islam by the Arabs traders don't think others will be alike.
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written by alhadee, January 29, 2008 18:13:05
surich 'I beg to disagree with you on this. Chinese are survivors that strives under varying difficulties and conditions.'

Waaaaaaaaaaa....... God help us! I only asked Chinese to stop not for my own sake or for my 'race' but for the country we share with.

Think straight dear surich, your 'survivors' and 'strives under varying difficulties' are the one making things more difficult each day in this country.

How do you justify surviving under varying difficulties just so in the future it will be more difficult then?

I did not say Chinese are the most corrupt race. It takes 2 hands to clap. At the moment, Chinese and Malays in Malaysia, are competing with each other for that title.

Singapore is a different deal. I don't concern myself with Kiasu, they followed a different route ever since Singapore was booted out of Malaysia. If I were to condemn Chinese as a whole, I would have taken China Chinese to prove my point. And neither I am concern much with Indonesian Malays, other than think that the authorities should round them up and deport them in millions back to Indonesia.

So lets talk about Malaysian Chinese shall we? And their 'unique' relationship with their Malay counterparts.

A word of advice for you. Never ever make up excuses such as 'I beg to disagree with you on this. Chinese are survivors that strives under varying difficulties and conditions.' and 'The Chinese are the victim and they survive under the rules they live in.', please!

You sounds like you just came from China don't you realize that? So passive. This is your country too (I would have added 'you idiot!' if I am in foul mood) and you have the say on how it should be run. Our direction should be collectively determined. I belong to an ethnic who is less than 1% of these country's population, yet I refuse to be passive. And that is why I am angry with these bigot Malays, greedy Chinese and toddy drinker Kelings. You guys makes up the 90% majority and who else to blame other than these 3 idiot races?
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written by KuntaTobey, January 30, 2008 13:26:05
See Avanza, I try to let Malas_yu to think that It is not the religion that is at fault. It is the human being that are the culprit.

From your explanation above, you are pointing all those massacare and so on was done by human being. not for religion by religious people. I can say the same reasons for things happening in Muslim world.

It was a massacare done by Airieal Sharon in 1982 in Israel.

See, I am not agains other religion. Lakum di nukum wa li yadin.
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written by EYFF, January 31, 2008 00:56:08
The Rationale for Body Snatching 101.- Or the Ghoul that rob the dead and living and disgraced Islam!

The Public Trustee under the British was in charge of quite a few estates, where the principals died without leaving any will, by arrangement or in disputes.

On independence, the Pejabat Ugama Islam (PUI) took over its function and to sort out all the unsettled or unclaimed estates of Muslims! However the PUI officers were usually rather obstructive and reluctant in the settling of the estate to the heirs! Among which was the very lucrative estate of the late Kaptian Kerling in Penang with its numerous shophouses and land located at the middle of the city: which to date had not been sorted out in spite of the many claims submitted by the administrator of the estate.

Why?? Well generally the officers in charge of the estates would be collecting rents and other benefits. If the estates remain unclaimed (through frustration, duress etc of the heirs) they would become wakaf and with the USI (officers) having the right to dispose of them and the sales proceeding retain for charity for the welfare of Muslim’s windows and orphans. Generally you have the real and official rentals and sales prices where the officers would pocket the substantial differences.

However many of these officers are getting rather greedy and daring. They rig up the body snatching scam to “NEP” the estate of the dead of other races and religions!

So the first step would be to “convert” the dead and snatch the body and plant it in a Muslim cemetery “to establish ownership”. After that, the heirs that are not Muslims, will not be able to claim his (dead “muslim”) estate.

BECAUSE FOR THE COUNTRY'S RELIGIOUS LAWS FOR MUSLIMS, A NON-MUSLIM CANNOT CLAIM INHERITANCE FROM A MUSLIM.( But a muslim can inherit from a non-muslim)

In time the un-claimable estate would be wakaf-ed and the officers would then get a share of the spoil in its disposal for charity!

Hell is empty! All the devils are here!
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written by mijoan, February 02, 2008 14:41:31
BN is creating an impression that the Indians, Chinese and above all else
the Christians and Hindus are anti Muslims and anti Malays. This is not so. The
truth is that the Indians, Chinese, Hindus and the Christians are very much in
support of the Malays and of Islam. They, like the other 50% of the Malays,
are ONLY AGAINST THE BARISAN NASIONAL. This must be explained to the Malays
in the heartland of Kedah, Perak, Negri Sembilan, Pahang and Johor.

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written by Rozlan, February 03, 2008 18:54:29
Raja Petra quote....This woman could not hold her bladder and had no choice but to pee there and then. Her colleagues helped guard her modesty by placing a scarf in front of her so that she could at least have some privacy. But the RELA officers pulled away the scarf and started taking photographs of her peeing, of course with her private parts fully exposed.

In the police station, the men were separated from the women. The women were then taken to a secluded part of the police station and photographed. But they were not photographed in the normal 'criminal' way with their numbers on their chest and so on. Instead, they were told to assume sexy positions -- bend forwards, backwards, sideways, etc. Basically, they were asked to pose in erotic and sensuous positions for the benefit of the cameras, sort of like the centrefold of Playboy or Penthouse, if you know what I mean.

Then the women were told they could avoid getting charged by settling the case 'outside court' in exchange for sexual favours. All they had to do was drop their panties and after a quickie they would be allowed to go home without any further action taken against them.

Actually, this sort of thing is not new. This has been going on for more than 30 years. Why do you think these perverts fall over each other and rush to sign up as RELA guards? And they would drop everything and volunteer their time free-of-charge to participate in a 'vice raid'. Of course, they will tell their wives and children they only have the interest of Islam at heart in arresting 'immoral' Malay men and women who work in discos that serve liquor. Their interest is only to protect the dignity of Islam. Yeah, sure, and I with five children and four grandchildren am still a virgin.....

Yap I agreed with that..I had alway complained about those RELA men.They are nothing but illiterate thugs in uniforms..

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written by Malas-yu, February 06, 2008 08:23:23
If Hussain aka Barak Obama is elecet as president of US, he'd better stay away from Malaysia. If he comes he he would be arrested as an apostate and sent to the Ulu Yam detention centre for indoctorination.
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written by KuntaTobey, February 06, 2008 13:08:12
"According to the dominant view in the sectarian texts from Qumran, two messiahs were to lead the congregation in the End of Days, one priestly, and the other lay" (Reclaiming the Dead Sea Scrolls, Lawrence H. Schiffman, pp. 321-322).
The Jews had prophesies of two messiahs. The first was best known to them for his "religious" or "priestly" works which he would perform. The second was best known to them for his "kingly" works; his bringing of an epoch of peace.
These two prophesies refer to Jesus (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh).
Jesus (pbuh) was best know for his "priestly" works. However, he never lead an army, and he never established a kingdom or a government. Quite the opposite, he called to peace and submissiveness and to leave the rule of the land to others (Matthew 22:21). He told his followers that he yet had many things to teach them but they could not bear them yet and that another would be coming after him who would teach them the complete truth (John 16:7-14).
Muhammad (pbuh) too began his ministry preaching submissivness and passiveness. However, his ministry was nurtured by God almighty to a point where it was able to defend itself and establish justice in the earth and abolish evil. His followers fought several wars in self defense and against injustice. The Islamic empire finally stretched from China to Spain and even those who did not follow Muhammad (pbuh) knew him well. However, what did they know him for? They knew him for his "kingly" actions and not for the "priestly" side of him that his followers knew.
"And fight against them until persecution is no more and religion is for God alone. But if they desist then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers" --The Qur'an, al-Baqarah(2):193
"Those unto whom We gave the Scripture recognize him Muhammad as they recognize their sons. But verilly, a party of them conceal the truth while they know it" --The Qur'an, al-Baqarah(2):146
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written by Flex Tan, February 08, 2008 15:10:51
adNAN'S PAHANG STATE COLLECTED TAXES AND REVENUE FROM GENTING CASINO ... APA TU ??

TOYOL JUAL CALBERG DI NEGRI SELANGOR, KUTIP LEMBAGA HASIL DLM NEGRI ... APA TU ??

MANUSIA MELAYU HISAP ANGIN DUNIA .... APA TU ??

ETC

ETC

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written by Malas-yu, February 10, 2008 08:01:00
What happened in the courts?
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written by ahmadbadrul40, February 16, 2008 03:17:57
Alhadee,

You seems to be a smart person. Why don't you come out and do business. Don't talk cock so much. I bet my ass, that you are actually a person who works in MNC sitting on a comfortable chair doing nothing but yapping away. And none of your colleagues actually like working with you.
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written by Eskay Lim, February 16, 2008 12:10:36
Ya, what hapened to the trial of the Defenders of Islam at the Duta Courts. Had been going through the major newspapers but couln't find anything... just like a total blackout. Any MT members who might have known something care to update others? Thanks.
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